Arista-EDU Ultra 4x5 ISO 200

[venchka]

If all goes well, I will get a 100 sheets of Arista 4x5 ISO 200 film in the mail shortly. What have I bought? Good? Bad? Ugly? A film to use as if my Speed Graphic is a Holga on steroids?

Developing suggestions are greatly appreciated. Maybe it's time to make the Pyro-HD plunge?

The package will also include Quickloads & Readyloads. I know what to do with those.

Thanks for all your help.

Wayne

[dsphotog]

I've been using the 4x5 5x7 & 8x10 100 EDU film, The Freestyle website
includes instructions for every developer except the one I prefer/have on hand...
It doesn't include HC110, Someone on the forum posted a formula; hc110 syrup diluted 1 to 50, 7 min 68 degrees, in the jobo expert drum,it's been working well for me.
David Silva

[Gem Singer]

Hi Wayne,

Yes, it's time to take the Pyrocat-HD plunge.

Arista 200 is similar to Bergger BPF 200. Great film for pyro.

Order the 10 liter liquid (in glycol) from the Photographer's Formulary.

Call me when you are ready to develop with it. I'll pass along a few tips.

[Scott --]

FWIW, I've been using Arista.EDU Ultra 100, at 100, for a long time. I always use HC-110, dil H (or close - 6.25mL syrup to 400mL), 7:12 at 20C in a Unicolor drum and roller setup. Great results.

[Amund BLix Aaeng]

Arista Edu.Ultra is Foma 200, a great film. Do not rate it higher than EI 100 though, a ISO 200-film it is not.

[David A. Goldfarb]

The current Arista.EDU Ultra is Fomapan 200T (AKA "Creativ 200"), isn't it? It's supposed to be a modern tech film, but it has a very old tech look. Here's a 5x12cm Noblex shot on 200T souped in PMK--

http://flickr.com/photos/davidagoldfarb/3095935198/sizes/o/

[Amund BLix Aaeng]

Yeah it is David. It`s a weird film really, grain is almost compareable to films like Acros and T-Max 100, but it has a different look and the reciprocity failure is unmatched in it`s suckiness, do not use this film for pinhole(I have)

Great film in Pyrocat HD

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2122682038_0ba0c27958_o.jpg

Great in Xtol too:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1381/1248798121_6ce3af7c73_o.jpg

PMK as well:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1193/623821323_f81f97a64e_o.jpg

:)

[mikebarger]

My wife has been shooting Arista.EdU Ultra 200 in 35mm and I develop it in 510 pyro.

510 Pyro 5ml, water 1000ml. Agitate first 30 seconds, then four turns every five minutes. Development time 20 minutes @ 70 degrees.

Makes nice negatives.

Mike

[venchka]

Thanks everyone! Eugene, I will call and pick your brain. I may come visit and go out shooting.

Holy cow! Armand, you have given me a standard I may never meet. Your photogrpahs are inspiring!

I have Xtol, Rodinal and several other developers. I'll finding something that I can handle and give good results. Nothing like what I see above, but I can try.

Once again, the information here is the best!

Cheers!

[Jan Pedersen]

Arista 200 is similar to Bergger BPF 200. Great film for pyro.

The old Fortepan 200 is identical to the Bergger 200 now both long gone.

The Fomapan 200/Arista 200 is a very different film.

[Gem Singer]

I'm aware that they are not the exact same films.That's why I referred to them as similar films.

Both are 200 speed films, both are conventional grained, and both respond very nicely to development in Pyrocat-HC.

[Jason Greenberg Motamedi]

As others have said, it is a fine film and an incredible bargain for the price. It has a number of oddities,

As Amund has mentioned, it has terrible reciprocity failure.

It develops very quickly. My standard N time is about 5 minutes in rotary tubes with XTOL 1:1. I know many develop it with D76 or XTOL 1:3 to extend the development time. This may be necessary if you do contraction development.

Finally, it is a lot slower than its official 200 ISO. In XTOL 1:1 developed to N, I found that it was about 50 ISO.

[venchka]

Thanks Jason. I use Xtol 1:3 in Jobo tanks. You've given me a good idea of where to start.

[David Karp]

Hi,

I just bought some EDU Ultra 200 in 5x7. Anyone out there try it in Diafine or DD23?

[gevalia]

I really like Arista EDU Ultra 4x5 200 and 100. Great in HC110 dilution H stand development. Really great in XTol 1:3 and Prescysol EF for 10.5 minutes.

My ei for the ISO200 is 100 and my ei for the ISO100 is 50 in both HC110 and XTol. In Prescysol EF I use box speed.

I agree with previous poster that its reciprocity really sucks. I avoid this film for exposures longer than 1 second because my skills are not at the point where I can get a hold of it.

[venchka]

Hi,

I just bought some EDU Ultra 200 in 5x7. Anyone out there try it in Diafine or DD23?

I haven't, but I'll see if I can get LFPF member Wes Clavey to help out. I have seen Arista boxes in his office. He throws everything in Diafine. :D

[venchka]

I really like Arista EDU Ultra 4x5 200 and 100. Great in HC110 dilution H stand development. Really great in XTol 1:3 and Prescysol EF for 10.5 minutes.

My ei for the ISO200 is 100 and my ei for the ISO100 is 50 in both HC110 and XTol. In Prescysol EF I use box speed.

I agree with previous poster that its reciprocity really sucks. I avoid this film for exposures longer than 1 second because my skills are not at the point where I can get a hold of it.

Thanks for the starting point for Xtol 1:3. Is that with intermittant agitation or continuous?

[wclavey]

Greetings, all... It is with a touch of sadness, as one of the local Diafine proponents, that I say that I have never used Arista EDU 200 4x5 in Diafine... 100, yes, and the 200 in 35mm and 120, yes, but not the 4x5.

If they are the same film (4x5, 35mm, & 120) then I found that it worked just as you would expect - - a little flat (...but down here in the bright TX sun, that works to your advantage) but I personally decided not to continue using it because with 100 and 400 speed film, and the occasional 50, I found that I could cover any situation I needed. I also used the 200 with Microdol-X and liked that combination a lot, but I have chosen not to continue using Microdol-X and to focus on just variations on Diafine. Eventually, the 200 flushed itself out of my stock. I would also say that most of my very best shots (...whatever that may mean...) have been on the Arista 100.

And I will also agree that all the Arista EDU films have bad reciprocity issues.

[venchka]

...And I will also agree that all the Arista EDU films have bad reciprocity issues.

Not knowing any better, Wes & I used the Arista reciprocity table for some Ilford PanF+ I had loaded in my Pentax 6x7. We were only about 2 stops over what the time for Ilford films should have been.

Lesson learned. Hopefully that won't happen again.

I have some Microdol-X. I've been waiting for an excuse to mix it up.

[gevalia]

Thanks for the starting point for Xtol 1:3. Is that with intermittant agitation or continuous?

I know it is intermittant agitation but my notes are at home so I do not have times at this point. Sorry.

[venchka]

Thanks. I can make the adjustment for continuous agitation.

[gevalia]

Take a look at http://www.vasina.net/

I got interested in Arista EDU Ultra 100 and 200 after seeing some of Jiri's work. I believe he uses Fomapan (which is what FreeStyle resells as Arista EDU Ultra 100 and 200).

[venchka]

I have visited his site before. Inspiring and beautiful! I didn't know what materials he used. Thanks for passing on that information. Obviously I will be the limiting factor as usual.

[David Karp]

Thanks Wayne and Wes.

[Scott Davis]

I've been shooting it a LOT, in just about every size between 4x5 and 8x10. In addition to the quirks mentioned above (depending on your soup of choice somewhere between 50 and 100 speed, develops extremely well in Pyro developers (I've been using Pyrocat HD 1:1:100, rotary processing, 75F, 11mins for Pt/Pd printing)), it is NOT a T-grain film or any variation thereof, and it is rather insensitive to the red end of the spectrum. It has a very 1950's film feel, like OLD Tri-X.

[venchka]

Sounds like Efke 25 with a similar optimistic box speed. Thanks Scott!

[gevalia]

Like it a lot. Looks nice in xtol 1:1, HC110 (great tones), and Prescysol EF. ei 100 in xtol 1:1 and HC110 (dilution H) but ei 200 in Prescysol EF for 10.5 minutes.

[MIke Sherck]

I've used it in 8x10, shot at a speed of 100 and developed in D-76 straight for seven minutes. Good tonality, good sharpness, fine grain but the emulsion is softer than Kodak or Ilford films; you'll want to use a hardening fixer and take care in processing because it's rather easy to scratch. I like it quite a bit but the reciprocity absolutely stinks.

Mike