Best way to get nude models...

[ViewIIguy]

Well, I would like to try taking some nude shots for a kind of portfolio I'm putting together, but I really don't know a good way to get models for it! It seems like many ways would just come off creepy, or just in some way wrong. I don't have a studio, so I feel that kind of makes it just that much harder, really. I live in a small college town though, so that might work to my advantage. I figure perhaps some college girls might would do it for some cash as most people are on tight enough budgets these days. I just still don't know how to broach the question, or the best way to get it out in general.

Thanks a lot for any suggestions in advance, I'm stumped!

-Will

[snuck]

Ask Frank Petronio! Then again there's probably model mayhem.

[ViewIIguy]

Well I hope he offers some help! I was thinking about paying them like 50-100 dollars for about an hour or so (seems fair!) and give them a copy of at least some of the prints. I probably wouldn't do more than 10-20 shots in that time so I imagine that would be easy enough to give them a copy. Do some 4x5 and a roll or two of 35mm.

-Will

[Louie Powell]

I was in a workshop this past weekend with nude models.

The models were recruited via an advertisement on Craig's List and were paid $20 per hour for figure work plus lunch. The person who arranged for the models told me that he got a number of calls in response to the ad - some were turned off by the fact that the gig involved nudity, while many more simply didn't want to drive 30-45 minutes to get to the workshop site. Also, he said that advertising earlier would have resulted in more potential models - many of those who responded already had commitments for the days we needed them.

Incidentally, I would certainly give them prints. Just don't forget to get a model release.

[ViewIIguy]

I was in a workshop this past weekend with nude models.

The models were recruited via an advertisement on Craig's List and were paid $20 per hour for figure work plus lunch. The person who arranged for the models told me that he got a number of calls in response to the ad - some were turned off by the fact that the gig involved nudity, while many more simply didn't want to drive 30-45 minutes to get to the workshop site. Also, he said that advertising earlier would have resulted in more potential models - many of those who responded already had commitments for the days we needed them.

Incidentally, I would certainly give them prints. Just don't forget to get a model release.

I had thought about the craigslist post, I just really don't know how to write it out? I would want to certainly mention that the work would be nude so I wouldn't have to turn a lot of people away with that. Posting it to where it seems credible so people will call and not think I'm some kind of serial killer seems almost difficult as paranoid as people are.

[Brian Ellis]

I attended a program a couple nights ago put on by a husband and wife team that do some glamour photography. The wife did all the work with the models, the husband/photographer handled the lighting and clicked the shutter. They didn't need to find the models, the models were coming to them for the photographs and paying, but I thought the idea of using a woman for almost everything except clicking the shutter was a good idea. Maybe you have a wife or female friend who'd be willing to make the arrangements, help with posing, etc.

[ViewIIguy]

Well, I just broke up with my girlfriend last night...damn! I'm sure I can find some one to help me though. If not, perhaps a very effeminate male would work too! It does seem a good idea though, perhaps make them a little more at ease which would certainly translate to the celluloid.

[wfwhitaker]

Well, I just broke up with my girlfriend last night...

Not a good time to be looking at nekkid women whilst maintaining only pure thoughts.

[Tomaas]

When we needed a few models for our catalog pictures we initially went through a modeling agency. The cost was very high because the agency required their fees.

While at a local art supply store we saw a bulletin board with advertisements on them. There were several from models and we have used them ever since. Their hourly fee was $35 and we also provided refreshments and pictures for their portfolios.

Try the local art supply store and see if they have a similar poster board.

If you live in a college town and there is an art department at the college, speak with one of the instructors there. Perhaps, he can help by providing a referral to a model looking for work.

Tomaas

[ViewIIguy]

Not a good time to be looking at nekkid women whilst maintaining only pure thoughts.

Haha, I might agree with you. She was the reason I wasn't allowed to take photos before now. She was always worried I would run off with them and what not. Now I'm free to follow my artistic wiles where ever they might take me though!

[wfwhitaker]

...It does seem a good idea though, perhaps make them a little more at ease which would certainly translate to the celluloid.

The idea of having a trusted female assistant makes even more sense when you consider other potential problems. I'd want a sympathetic witness to the whole thing. And a jury would be more likely to believe a woman's story than another man's, no matter how effeminate he appeared. I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV. But I believe strongly in steering clear of anything which might come back to bite me in the butt. (Maybe that's why I'm not a politician, either...) Perhaps I'm just paranoid, but this world is full of nuts. There's much to be said for having people present who are on your side.

[Louie Powell]

Well, I just broke up with my girlfriend last night...damn! I'm sure I can find some one to help me though. If not, perhaps a very effeminate male would work too! It does seem a good idea though, perhaps make them a little more at ease which would certainly translate to the celluloid.

I think having three people present at the shoot is a good idea - that minimizes the risk of "he said, she said". Some people who work with nude models regularly offer the model the opportunity to bring along their significant other - but with the strict provision that the observer must remain silent and not attempt to direct the model. However, if a female model hasn't posed nude before, it helps if the photographer is also female and there is no one else present.

One of the things we discussed in our workshop was the issue of model releases. The instructor insisted that the model should be asked (required) to sign the release before photography begins, but I suggested that it is wise to include a statement in the release to the effect that "the session was conducted professionally" and have the signing ceremony at the conclusion. The idea is that if the model signs a release that says that she was treated respectfully, it is much harder for her to claim something to the contrary later.

[Frank Petronio]

There are sites like Model Mayhem and One Model Place where you can find semi-professional models who will do nudes. Depending on your reputation and skill they will or will not charge you, but for just starting out the better more experienced models -- who will teach you a lot -- charge $100 per hour with a two hour minimum. Even though that may be steep, with a better model you will learn so much that you will save money in the long run. Model Mayhem is a friendlier site but most of the "pros" are on both sites.

It is extremely awkward to be an inexperienced photographer with an inexperienced model -- think about it.

The intimacy and erotic energy that comes from doing a nude shoot is completely obliterated by having a third party along, so unless you want boring uptight poses, either man up and do it right or go home. They aren't going to bite you, much less sue you unless you are an utter ass, so don't be a jerk and you'll be fine.

Women who tend to do this kind of modeling are pretty saavy and the best policy is just to honest and complimentary. Even the old pros need to hear encouragement, just don't go overboard either. They are friendly types but don't get the wrong idea either -- they are just more open than most other women you know. I mean jeez, they're naked and that often applies to their personalities as well.

Assuming that you are a straight male who wants to photograph attractive young women, you might a well just admit that the whole thing is erotic and you're thinking about sex just like any normal guy would. That doesn't mean that they are going to touch you or do anything, and you certainly need to be polite, respectful, and hands off. But don't beat around the bush either. If you weren't think erotic thoughts you'd be out photographing fat ugly people or landscapes or something else.

All that said, I don't think very highly of the whole genre. Posing and photographing for sake of nudity or "the beauty of the female form" is a dead end as far as I'm concerned -- most of the time it is a spectacular crutch that makes an otherwise mediocre photo superficially interesting. Save the nudes for someone you care about and are intimate with, and learn how to make moving portraits of people with clothes on. Then if they happen to lose some clothing it's for a particular reason and not just another gratuitous "art" photo.

At least that is my experience but you probably have to figure that out for yourself.

[ViewIIguy]

I think having three people present at the shoot is a good idea - that minimizes the risk of "he said, she said". Some people who work with nude models regularly offer the model the opportunity to bring along their significant other - but with the strict provision that the observer must remain silent and not attempt to direct the model. However, if a female model hasn't posed nude before, it helps if the photographer is also female and there is no one else present.

One of the things we discussed in our workshop was the issue of model releases. The instructor insisted that the model should be asked (required) to sign the release before photography begins, but I suggested that it is wise to include a statement in the release to the effect that "the session was conducted professionally" and have the signing ceremony at the conclusion. The idea is that if the model signs a release that says that she was treated respectfully, it is much harder for her to claim something to the contrary later.

I would say that's a very wise idea, Louie. I honestly didn't even think about the fact that there could be some people that would claim misconduct. Would certainly be nice to have a signed document to cover my ass if any problem did arise. I suppose I should ask to see some proof of age as well? I don't know just how worried I should be about that aspect. Is there any site that has a good model release type form on it that you're aware of? I'm pretty horrible at drawing up contracts.

[Robert Fisher]

How many billions of images of nude women have already been made?

Do you have something original to add?

[ViewIIguy]

How many billions of images of nude women have already been made?

Do you have something original to add?

I just might! I shall add nothing less than not a single nude woman has been photographed by me. I think that might be enough for the world on it's own. I would say next to the natural landscape of the land, however, there's nothing I find more perfect than a womans nude body. Not even in a purely sexual way, just in how it is shaped and everything about it. It's just something I've always wanted to do. I imagine there've been billions of images of every scenario, yet you still take pictures, don't you?

[Greg Miller]

Using the web sites that Frank mentioned is a good way to start. Since you will have no portfolio to show, expect that the models will be a bit suspicious of your motivations. Some will want to bring a companion (some photographers hate this; I have not had a problem the few times I have allowed this but I do ask the companion to leave the general vicinity). A phone call in advance in warranted to discuss the details of what you want to achieve. Having well thought out ideas of how the shoot will go will go a long way towards putting the model at ease. You should do this anyway so that the model shows up with expectations in alignment with your goals. You can discuss whether or not you want make-up, props, types of poses, what her limits are, what you plan to do with the photos,... This conversation also helps you gauge if the model is likely to actually show up and if your personalities are compatible. I also share my model release in advance so that the model does not show up for the shoot and then have a problem with the release. I want the release signed before we start shooting so that I do not end up having spent a couple hours shooting and then not be able to use the photos because the model changed her mind about signing.

I also will occasionally post a tasteful flyer on the bulletin board in the Arts and Theater building of a local university asking for models. The flyer has a sample photo (an "implied" nude shot so that the poster will not be trashed by the administrators) that shows the quality of my work, and what I am looking for. I have been lucky at finding several good models this way and they generally expect no compensation (because i state that in the flyer) other than a few prints (although I generally give them gas money too). Having a portfolio of quality work helps a lot here. I don't think this would work if you don't already have samples that demonstrate that you're something more than a guy with a camera (GWC) who just wants a naked female to look at.

There is a huge difference between an experienced model and and beginner. With good experienced models they are generally able to strike more interesting poses than I can keep up with. So much of the time I am asking them to "hold that pose" and then fine tuning of the pose. It is very much a collaboration. With a beginner I generally spend the bulk of the shoot giving very detailed instructions on what to do with their body, arms, legs, hands, hair, what direction to look, smile or don't smile,... It can be difficult keeping the pose looking natural after all that direction. It can work though but I usually have a headache after an couple hours of that.

[Gene McCluney]

On the Model networking sites, such as ModelMayhem, you can do a search to find models within a geographic area convenient to you and the model. Many new models will do modeling for prints to expand their portfolios. Be SURE to get a signed model release before you shoot.which outlines your rights, and defines the payment the model will receive, be it money or prints or CD's. There are thousands of models, both men and women who are trying to break into the business and they NEED photos for their portfolios.

[Ash]

If amateur is ok.... Ask friends.

I mentioned to a friend a few months ago that I was looking for models. She eventually agreed (having never modeled before, and me being too busy to arrange it sooner). She enjoyed herself, we both got something from the session (experience, among other things). She then spoke to her friends and there is now the possibility of at least 1 or 2 more people willing.

Ask around, you might be surprised.... definitely check out Model Mayhem if you have cash to spend though, as many wannabe models are on there.

[Diane Maher]

I have not figured out how to approach anyone to model in the nude either. I am going to try and get some images together, but at the moment, the majority of my portraits are nudes.

[ViewIIguy]

Thanks a lot for all your suggestions, guys and gals. I checked out the site and it has a lot of great models in my area. Most of them say they'll work for prints and what not - so that's even better!!! I just need to get my ideas ironed out, and locations, then I'll be good to go! Thanks so much again - I really appreciate the help. Hopefully I'll have some shots to show you in a month or two!

[Greg Miller]

You'll probably find that there are 2 primary TFP groups.

Group 1: new models who are eager to build their portfolio; many of these will do glamour or head shot (or other non-nude genres) TFP but not nude TFP

Group 2: experienced models who normally get paid but are willing to do TFP with photographers who are very desirable to work with because of their name or style.

I'm only saying this so you don't get too disappointed if you find it hard to get models to agree to TFP.

[BrianShaw]

why not start with a nude self-portrait... nothing more than a mirror needed! :p

[ViewIIguy]

why not start with a nude self-portrait... nothing more than a mirror needed! :p

Lol, I think that I might not only break the camera, but the mirror as well! Being that I just recently got my LF - I would like to hold on to it a little longer than that! Thanks for the suggestion though :D

[jetcode]

here are some tips

1) be secure enough to create a comfortable working relationship
2) know what you are seeking in terms of setting and form
3) run ad in local barb for fine art models and offer a working rate
4) use a digital or 35mm for interview test shoot
5) select the model you want to use, plan your session
6) provide a dressing room and makeup artist if possible
7) provide prints and/or digital images on disc

the more courteous and professional you are the better chances you have of finding a nice stream of models to work with

[Gene McCluney]

Lol, I think that I might not only break the camera, but the mirror as well! Being that I just recently got my LF - I would like to hold on to it a little longer than that! Thanks for the suggestion though :D


Nude photography is not all about perfect forms. All human bodies are beautiful and suitable for figure shots. If you are confident enough to shoot a self-portrait (and it doesn't have to be full length, or full frontal) then you are way ahead. As a photographer (amateur or pro) you can post a gallery on Model Mayhem for free, and in the text that goes with the gallery you can state what you want to do. By posting a gallery (and it doesn't have to be figure work) you add some legitimacy to your endeavors. You might be surprised at the response you get, if you have a gallery of images on Model Mayhem.

[ViewIIguy]

Nude photography is not all about perfect forms. All human bodies are beautiful and suitable for figure shots. If you are confident enough to shoot a self-portrait (and it doesn't have to be full length, or full frontal) then you are way ahead. As a photographer (amateur or pro) you can post a gallery on Model Mayhem for free, and in the text that goes with the gallery you can state what you want to do. By posting a gallery (and it doesn't have to be figure work) you add some legitimacy to your endeavors. You might be surprised at the response you get, if you have a gallery of images on Model Mayhem.

I agree with you on the perfect forms. Just about everyone on that MM site does have pretty much "perfect" forms though. I personally like slightly meatier women, but that's just me and I suppose I seem to be in the minority. Hopefully I'll find some that aren't 6-pack ab having plastic breast enhanced women.

The thing I hate is I do have so few portrait type photos. I have a good bit of wedding stuff I've done, and some pictures of my ex, but that's about it. I've always done more sports/wildlife/commercial type stuff. Hopefully I can get some good intial models to expand the 'folio with.

[Greg Miller]

If you like meatier women, check out the photos by Leonard Nimoy (AKA Spock) in this show (http://www.brillgallery109.com/exhibits/nudenaked/warning.php) that I am also currently in at the Brill Gallery in Massachusetts

[Frank Petronio]

Google images for "Shyly", she is (was) an awesome "plus" model. She is no longer active.

Before I photographed any nudes, I did one session as a drawing model for a college art class. I am not proud of my body, skin, my junk looks like a mushroom when it's cold and I'm nervous... I was scared, awkward, cold. The drawings tended to focus on my flabby ass and growing boobage.

But it taught me a lot and made me a much better photographer. That might be a good place to start before you impose yourself onto others.

[wfwhitaker]

Before I photographed any nudes, I did one session as a drawing model for a college art class. I am not proud of my body, skin, my junk looks like a mushroom when it's cold and I'm nervous... I was scared, awkward, cold. The drawings tended to focus on my flabby ass and growing boobage.

You're a brave man, Frankie!

[jetcode]

Will I'm not where Frank is in his work but I've photographed at least 25 different nude female models and in the end they are people first and foremost. I found that women who made fashion statements with their clothes and style were far more colorful and entertaining than the nude. You can get a lot of where a photographer is coming from when they show you a print. If they get excited over a crappy print it's because they shot (in their eyes) a hot model. The print and composition is everything in my book.

[ViewIIguy]

Will I'm not where Frank is in his work but I've photographed at least 25 different nude female models and in the end they are people first and foremost. I found that women who made fashion statements with their clothes and style were far more colorful and entertaining than the nude. You can get a lot of where a photographer is coming from when they show you a print. If they get excited over a crappy print it's because they shot (in their eyes) a hot model. The print and composition is everything in my book.

I agree totally with the last bit for certain. I was looking through the model mayhem people in my area, and the ones that had nudes often had the most responses about the picture it seemed. I want to take some nudes because I've never done it before, but I'm certainly going to be taking more fully clothes I'm sure. The ones that were nude were often, as you said, less well composed but still got better remarks. Usually they would have a much more stunning site on their page with them dressed, one that I would be envious of the photographer. Really I just want MODELS. Some one I can work with to get my people photographing up. What I'm going to try and do, I believe, is work with the same model (who will do nudes) a few times and then go about the nudes after we've worked up some what of an understanding about what each of us wants when we're doing our thing. Seems like it would be easier for me as a first timer, and possibly easier for her since she knows i'm not just some random perv...well maybe.

[CG]

Art schools can be a good resource for models. If your portfolio shows you are dedicated and your approach is credible, you might be able to get in contact with their list. Be patient. Art stores also would be a good place to put up "wanted" notes.

C

[raucousimages]

Friends, family, neighbors, craigs list, local paper, college paper, local art or underground or alternitave papers. local art websites. I never have problems just be upfront and honest in what you are looking for.

#1 If you want semi-nude, say so. If you are looking for a fine art figure model including full frontal, say so. If you want erotica, say so. Never say one thing and then spring somthing else on them. If you want to do a more explicit shoot with a model finish the shoot you are doing and bring it up at a later time.

#2 Be willing to meet them in a public place of their choice to show some images and talk first.

#3 Always encourage them to bring a friend.

#4 Give images (prints, discs, email) in a timely fashon.

#5 Don't preasure a model who contacts you. Leave the ball in their court. If you keep calling a contact you will scare them off and develop a bad reputation.

#6 Don't be afraid of shooting men also. Some of the best women I have shot were contacts from men I shot. Many were not models but very well paying customers after seeing my work of their male friends.

#7 Hang some of your best work in your home. Interested people will see it and ask you to shoot them.

[Haris]

My first nude model was girl from Macedonia stuying in my town. Other girl I know indtroduced us. She wanted to have photographs of her being in Sarajevo, so we three met one day, wandering town, me photographing her almost ordinary touristic photographs, having coffe. So, sitting over cofee, she said if I need model she would be OK to work with me. I replied it is great, but currently I would like to try nude photographs, and she said no problem. And no problem was. She came to my place with hers female friend, we worked, they left. She got later few prints. We are still friends.

So, ask :)

[Scott Davis]

Here's another idea for you - if there is an art school near you, see if they have a figure photography course available. This is the best, easiest way to start a portfolio. The models are hand-delivered, their skill already proven, and you get to work with them in a structured, safe environment for all parties involved. It is a great way to start, because you end up with a portfolio at the end of the semester that not only has some depth to it, but has been edited and critiqued and refined. You'll have more opportunity to work with multiple models over the semester than you will on your own time if you try to find them yourself.

[Bill_1856]

I donn't know the best way, but I can definitely tell you the worst way -- marrying them!

[Leonard Metcalf]

I started with friends, which lead to a portfolio, which then lead to models wanting to work with me.... it turned out to be very easy in the end... I recommend you get references from every model along the way... models talk to each other and recommend the good, reliable and ethical photographers...

You can see my profile here (http://www.modelmayhem.com/lenslens)
and my nude photography here (http://sensuallens.com)

[Pamela MDunn]

If you live in a small college town, talk to the art teacher there or anyone who teaches figure drawing or "life drawing" at the local art school. They are sure to have a roster of professional artist models.

Also, be sure to give your models a private place to dress and undress and a chair nearby to put their robe and shoes.