How about some infrared images

[mat4226]

Lakeview Cemetery, Cleveland, OH
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7335/9065607795_f6f9f62734_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mat4226/9065607795/in/photostream/)

Sinar P2 + Fujinon W 210mm f/5.6
Efke IR 820c + #87 filter

[JeRuFo]

I saw it on Flickr, it's mesmerisingly surreal, even for infrared. Well done.

[andreios]

Mat, that is a fantastic image! I could stare at it for yours!

[Maris Rusis]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8267/9011980129_f89fcc238a_b.jpg
Good Company, Charlotte Pass

Gelatin-silver photograph on Ultrafine Silver Eagle VC FB photographic paper, image dimensions19.6cm X 24.5cm, from a 8x10 Efke IR820 negative exposed in a Tachihara 810HD triple extension field view camera fitted with a Nikkor-W 210mm f5.6 lens and a IR720 filter. Signed, titled, and stamped verso.
This may be one of the last group portrait ever done anywhere on 8x10 infrared film. When the last stock of Efke IR820 is exhausted there will be no more. Exposure was 15 seconds at f8.
Few know that in the infrared people glow like angels.

[polyglot]

Lakeview Cemetery, Cleveland, OH

Sinar P2 + Fujinon W 210mm f/5.6
Efke IR 820c + #87 filter

This is wonderful, particularly with the cloud motion.

[Andrew O'Neill]

Nice one Maris! Good on them for holding it for 15 seconds!

[mat4226]

Forsyth Park in IR, Savannah, GA

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3696/9301011952_9e52073632_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mat4226/9301011952/)

Sinar P2 + Fujinon W 210mm f/5.6
Efke IR 820c + R72 filter

[vinny]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3808/9314181161_15baff6cf1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62218065@N00/9314181161/)
oak&clouds-calabasis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62218065@N00/9314181161/) by vinnywalsh.com (http://www.flickr.com/people/62218065@N00/), on Flickr
chamonix 45n2, 135mm sironar-s, efke ir, cokin 007. calabasas, california. I think this exposure was 1 minute.

[Jody_S]

Still working on this...

Taken in a downpour. My bag and some of my gear is still drying out.

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[Peter De Smidt]

Forsyth Park in IR, Savannah, GA

Nice shot!

[polyglot]

A couple from this afternoon; opposite directions from the one set of tripod holes:

Creekbed I:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3708/9479551844_53e34d31a5_z.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24125157@N00/9479551844/)
Creekbed II:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7416/9476765245_edfdf16b3d_z.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24125157@N00/9476765245/)

4x5 IR820, R72, 90mm Grandagon-N MC, Toyo 45A.

[Bazz8]

Nice shots Love Gum trees

[vitality]

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55245071/photo/alley_kodak_aerochrome_iii_mpix_eu.jpg
Sinar Alpina, Aerochrome.
Orange filter, C41

[evan clarke]

A little Iowa IR. A barn blown off it's foundation. Efke Aura 4x5 in FX37, 092 filter, 2' at f22.5.

[stradibarrius]

I love IR. I haven't tried IR with my 4x5 but my MF gets IR use.

[evan clarke]

Geez, wrong picture. These grain bins were photographed the same day..Here's the barn!!

[Denise Dognini]

One from the last weekend.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7338/9547249158_15a9bac478_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/denisedognini/9547249158/)
Aguas da prata ir 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/denisedognini/9547249158/) por Denise Dognini (http://www.flickr.com/people/denisedognini/), no Flickr

Efke IR820

Printed on Adox Vario Classic 24x30, with Maco Ecoprint.

Linhof Technika III - Schneider Super Angulon 90/8

[Corran]

Efke IR820 AURA, 47mmXL, cropped a little, f/22, 15s exposure:
http://www.oceanstarproductions.com/photosharing/stricklandmill-1305spss.jpg

[jcoldslabs]

Efke IR820 AURA, 47mmXL, cropped a little, f/22, 15s exposure

Nice mood in this shot. I like that the IR aspect is subtle. Without a lot of tell-tale white foliage it has a mystery to it, and it speaks to the sadness of the demolition more than any of the others.

Jonathan

[mat4226]

From back in June of this year, starting to catch up on the film backlog...

Calm Morning at Wormsloe

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/10978498703_59cc551921_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mat4226/10978498703/)

Sinar P2 + Fujinon W 210mm f/5.6
Efke IR 820c + R72 filter

[andreios]

From back in June of this year, starting to catch up on the film backlog...

Calm Morning at Wormsloe

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/10978498703_59cc551921_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mat4226/10978498703/)

Sinar P2 + Fujinon W 210mm f/5.6
Efke IR 820c + R72 filter

Beautiful image, mat!

[John Olsen]

A LF member sold me his box of Rollei infrared 4x5 last week. I rushed out to try it before all the vegetation got completely winterized and also to see if the 5-year expired film was good. The film turned out to be fine and tray-developed nicely. As other LF'ers had noted, you've got to be careful handling the film since it's so thin. Otherwise, a real pleasure.
The scene for my test was an 1850's ferry house. Unfortunately the Land Trust had just painted it with some kind of primer, so it wasn't going to work. However, they had also whacked back a wall of brambles exposing the two-seater rest facility, so I shot that. I developed using HC100 "B" in trays for 7 minutes, exposing at 6 ISO with a Cokin 007 filter.
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[polyglot]

From a recent quick trip to Western Australia:


Mundaring Weir
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2818/11129978934_1ca361c3af_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24125157@N00/11129978934/)

Hyde Park Figs:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3673/11129943046_1eac6ea478_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24125157@N00/11129943046/)

Cottesloe:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3700/11129907545_e803f2ec8a_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24125157@N00/11129907545/)

All IR820+R72, EI1, 150/5.6 Nikkor-W, Toyo 45A, Xtol. C&C always welcome.

[Bazz8]

Like the last shot on the beach :)

[Gary Beasley]

Those are really impressive!

[polyglot]

thanks!

[MEPienta]

I wanted to see how metal is rendered in IR and did a comparison between Maco820c and Delta 100. Below are the results.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7305/12157747176_08fffa6851.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/111861356@N05/12157747176/)
Untitled_Panorama1-2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/111861356@N05/12157747176/) by pientamichael (http://www.flickr.com/people/111861356@N05/), on Flickr

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5542/12157522154_bf3f5a0241.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/111861356@N05/12157522154/)
Untitled_Panorama1-Edit-Edit (http://www.flickr.com/photos/111861356@N05/12157522154/) by pientamichael (http://www.flickr.com/people/111861356@N05/), on Flickr

The Maco820c(IR 720 filter) ASA 6 was developed in R09 1:20 at 70 degrees for 13 minutes.

Below is another IR example.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5474/12157664664_5632527ae1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/111861356@N05/12157664664/)
Untitled_Panorama1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/111861356@N05/12157664664/) by pientamichael (http://www.flickr.com/people/111861356@N05/), on Flickr

[MonkeyTreeSupreme]

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5428/ir008.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/ir008.jpg/)

Great shot, dont know if its just the angle, but feels like has some great depth to it.


https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3673/11129943046_1eac6ea478_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24125157@N00/11129943046/)

Love it

[VictoriaPerelet]

Slowly unpacking equipment from moving boxes after move to CA. Backyard deck view from our new house. Combination of visible & IR


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52900356/LfPics/Photo%20Jan%2011%2C%2010%2043%2013%20AM.jpg

Sinar F2 Schneider 210mm, F64. PhaseOne Powerphase scanning back without IR blocking filter.

[ScottPhotoCo]

Slowly unpacking equipment from moving boxes after move to CA. Backyard deck view from our new house. Combination of visible & IR


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52900356/LfPics/Photo%20Jan%2011%2C%2010%2043%2013%20AM.jpg

Sinar F2 Schneider 210mm, F64. PhaseOne Powerphase scanning back without IR blocking filter.

Welcome to Cali! Certainly beats my view in LA. :)

Tim
www.ScottPhoto.co

[Dan Dozer]

Dug this one out from a few years ago. Not easy shooting people with infra red film and a 1 minute exposure, but my model did a great job of holding still. Efke PL IR 820 AURA film and #87 filter.

[John Olsen]

Dan - very nice composition!

[StoneNYC]

Dug this one out from a few years ago. Not easy shooting people with infra red film and a 1 minute exposure, but my model did a great job of holding still. Efke PL IR 820 AURA film and #87 filter.

Great image. Were there more than one exposure made? It's very intense. Like it a lot.

[Jim Cole]

Slowly unpacking equipment from moving boxes after move to CA. Backyard deck view from our new house. Combination of visible & IR


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52900356/LfPics/Photo%20Jan%2011%2C%2010%2043%2013%20AM.jpg

Sinar F2 Schneider 210mm, F64. PhaseOne Powerphase scanning back without IR blocking filter.

Very nice, I could live with that.

[VictoriaPerelet]

Very nice, I could live with that.

After 25years living in Midwest country we just were not able to find anything within city limits - life is very busy, traffic is very heavy. So ended up on hilbilly side. Plus at this place I have anough place for studio.

[StoneNYC]

Slowly unpacking equipment from moving boxes after move to CA. Backyard deck view from our new house. Combination of visible & IR


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52900356/LfPics/Photo%20Jan%2011%2C%2010%2043%2013%20AM.jpg

Sinar F2 Schneider 210mm, F64. PhaseOne Powerphase scanning back without IR blocking filter.

Interesting, so, can that back make true IR? I know you said "combination" but, I thought if you removed the filter, you would get IR like any other IR film? I'm a little slow on digital LF gear so forgive my ignorance.

Did they have color IR in sheet film? I know they had roll film...

[VictoriaPerelet]

Interesting, so, can that back make true IR?
yes if you use Kodak #89B you'll get IR only, filter blocks visible part. I'll post pic when I'll get around.

CCD sensors can see much wider frequency range than most of films or human eye. Most digital cameras have IR cut filter permanently mounted straigh at top of sensor. PhaseOne and BetterLight backs do not have built-in IR filter, you have to use external.

If you look on the net you'll find a lot of IR enthusiasts removing IR filters drom DSLR's ...

IR/UV, polarizers and center filters can not be substututed by digital postprocessing for film or digital - they control fundamental image formation.

[scm]

http://stevemidgleyphotography.com/IMG_5030.jpg
Gowland 4x5 - Fujinon 150mm - Kodak HIE

[StoneNYC]

http://stevemidgleyphotography.com/IMG_5030.jpg
Gowland 4x5 - Fujinon 150mm - Kodak HIE

Wish they didn't get rid of HIE, alas

[Dan Dozer]

Great image. Were there more than one exposure made? It's very intense. Like it a lot.

I made two basic exposures - this one with the water left alone with a mirror look to it and another with the water disturbed with "waves". While the upper half is obviously the same, the lower have changes things a little.

After that, it was so hot outside (middle of summer in Palm Springs), the photographer had to bail and go back indoors where the air conditioning was.

[StoneNYC]

I made two basic exposures - this one with the water left alone with a mirror look to it and another with the water disturbed with "waves". While the upper half is obviously the same, the lower have changes things a little.

After that, it was so hot outside (middle of summer in Palm Springs), the photographer had to bail and go back indoors where the air conditioning was.

Yea it's too hot outside to be photographing beautiful nude women, forget that, give me air conditioning (said no one ever...). :)

[gevalia]

http://stevemidgleyphotography.com/IMG_5030.jpg
Gowland 4x5 - Fujinon 150mm - Kodak HIE

SCM,
That wouldn't happen to be one of the turnoffs on boulder mountain, UT would it?

[scm]

SCM,
That wouldn't happen to be one of the turnoffs on boulder mountain, UT would it?

No, I know the area you're talking about (and it does look very similar) but this one was taken in northern Utah, the Uinta Mountains, to be more specific.

[erie patsellis]

Victoria,
Good to see you on again, Central Illinois isn't the same without you... ;)


While not LF, shot with a D100 converted with 89c filter instead of the IR/AA filter in front of the sensor.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7204/6938850469_73448c8c6a_z_d.jpg

I'll dig up some of my IR images shot with my Dicomed scan back (predecessor to the Betterlight) later this week.

Erie

[erie patsellis]

Found one...

Sinar F, Dicomed Field Pro, Schneider 210 Symmar-S, Wratten 89b gel.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6070/6030675470_3cbe009478_b_d.jpg

[erie patsellis]

Found one...

Sinar F, Dicomed Field Pro, Schneider 210 Symmar-S...

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6070/6030675470_3cbe009478_b_d.jpg

[StoneNYC]

Found one...

Sinar F, Dicomed Field Pro, Schneider 210 Symmar-S, Wratten 89b gel.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6070/6030675470_3cbe009478_b_d.jpg

That's better, I've got tons of MF IR, but this isn't the place for it.

[VictoriaPerelet]

Victoria,
Good to see you on again, Central Illinois isn't the same without you... ;)
....

Erie, now I watch snow on TV only. With all economy swirls I do not think I'll be running commecrial studio anymore. Probably portrait studio in time of "selfies" is also not bright idea either :)

Will build up home studio, do editorials just for fun of it and will try to go out, also hopefully will have more time for online, this site changed quite a lot, people changed also, as I see.

[drew.saunders]

A few more from Point Reyes a week and a half ago.

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Both Efke IR820 Aura, with the Lee filter.

[evan clarke]

Efke Aura 092 filter111898

[StoneNYC]

Efke Aura 092 filter111898

Interesting... I have both the 092 a a R72 filters now but only the Rollie and SFX film, I'm curious how different they are, I'm hoping I didn't buy the R72 for nothing...

[evan clarke]

I only do sheet film, Efke Aura. The 092 is just perfect for that. I have some rolls of SFX but I find that when there's a picture to be had, I get out a view camera.

[StoneNYC]

I only do sheet film, Efke Aura. The 092 is just perfect for that. I have some rolls of SFX but I find that when there's a picture to be had, I get out a view camera.

Thanks for the info, I only have the SFX and Rollie stuff ...

[stradibarrius]

I have shot both Efke Aura and SFX using a 092 filter and the SFX has considerably less "IR" look to it. The Aura is really nice film. I have only shot these films in MF and have also shot Kodak HIE in 35mm. My experience has been the Aura is much closer to HIE than SFX.I have also shot the Rollie IR and it is pretty good too. for me the SFX is my least favorite.


Interesting... I have both the 092 a a R72 filters now but only the Rollie and SFX film, I'm curious how different they are, I'm hoping I didn't buy the R72 for nothing...

[StoneNYC]

I have shot both Efke Aura and SFX using a 092 filter and the SFX has considerably less "IR" look to it. The Aura is really nice film. I have only shot these films in MF and have also shot Kodak HIE in 35mm. My experience has been the Aura is much closer to HIE than SFX.I have also shot the Rollie IR and it is pretty good too. for me the SFX is my least favorite.

Thanks.

Anyone want to buy my 092 filter? LOL

[StoneNYC]

OK!

So I decided to do a test... This is 120 but was easier to test that than to do this in 4x5.

Just as an information thing for everyone, the 092 and R72 are significantly different!

Please excuse the warped image, it's just an iPhone image, I haven't scanned them to see how much or little IR is given but the actual exposure between the two is different for sure...

Here are my times and then the "pano" image if the full roll. The images are upside down and reversed but 1 is the first image and 10 is the last going left to right, I thought that would be easiest.

092 is significantly more exposed (let in more light) than the R72 and the stacked did nothing at all and just looks like the R72 the Red filter for kicks seems closer in exposure to the 092 but I'm are the IR is different one I scan I will know, and just looking at it, seems I exposed it properly but did a final bracket of 2 on either end of my chosen exposure.

This was an overcast day and the light did not change at all from the beginning till the end of the test.

NOTE: reciprocity failure issues were not taken into account with regard to exposure times, I did give the last exposure more than a stop difference on purpose JUST IN CASE the reciprocity failure was extremely bad, but based on what I see, it's actually not bad at all!

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Hope this info can be helpful for anyone curious about the differences etc. I'll was thinking of trying this again with SFX, but since it's not available in sheet film, I decided it's not worth the trouble/cost. Unless Rollie becomes unavailable.

[StoneNYC]

Final update, the results are telling, the R72 certainly blocks more non-IR light than the 092 but they both seem to have equal amounts of IR. I would post the actual results but they aren't LF :(

Anyway now I can shoot my RollieIR 4x5 and have better understanding of it, and use the appropriate filter.

I think for the glow effect you would need a filter that blocks more of the lower spectrum and have much longer exposures... Perhaps there is a use for the 093 filter? Has anyone tried the 093?? Or does it block PAST the abilities of the RollieIR?

[bob carnie]

Hi Evan

Do you have any problems with the holders allowing fog onto the film
My wife did a lot of Kodak IR and we bought her a 4x5 and she would love to do IR again and your results are quite nice.
Also do you have a link where I can see more of your large format IR.


Bob

I only do sheet film, Efke Aura. The 092 is just perfect for that. I have some rolls of SFX but I find that when there's a picture to be had, I get out a view camera.

[Brian C. Miller]

I think for the glow effect you would need a filter that blocks more of the lower spectrum and have much longer exposures... Perhaps there is a use for the 093 filter? Has anyone tried the 093?? Or does it block PAST the abilities of the RollieIR?

For the glow effect, the film should not have an anti-halation layer. The Efke/Maco Aura film lacked that layer, so it gave the halo effects.

The 093 is an opaque filter, and it blocks too much light. It would be great for Kodak HIE, but not anything else.

[StoneNYC]

For the glow effect, the film should not have an anti-halation layer. The Efke/Maco Aura film lacked that layer, so it gave the halo effects.

The 093 is an opaque filter, and it blocks too much light. It would be great for Kodak HIE, but not anything else.

I understand the whole anti-halation thing, and you're right. BUT I was thinking that if the 093 we're just at the tip where it would let at least some of the light in, you could in theory just give it a lot of exposure, and like any image when you sort of overexpose, at the edges you get some late fall over onto the other areas at the edge of that late, just simply because of the brightness of it spilling over, so that's what I was thinking, I know the anti-halation layer takes care of most of that, but thought it could in theory work, however, I'm not about to purchase a brand-new 093 filter, I would however trade my basically new 092 (77mm) filter for one just to give it a try.

[Jim collum]

9.5" Veritos, Betterlight scanning back
(no IR block filter, so a combination of IR and visible light)

34 second scans
(these were tests to try out a studio Head Brace that Robert Hall made for me)




http://www.jcollum.com/fm/20140311_PhotoGroup__01sm.jpg


http://www.jcollum.com/fm/20140311_PhotoGroup__02sm.jpg


http://www.jcollum.com/fm/20140311_PhotoGroup__04sm.jpg

[evan clarke]

Hi Evan

Do you have any problems with the holders allowing fog onto the film
My wife did a lot of Kodak IR and we bought her a 4x5 and she would love to do IR again and your results are quite nice.
Also do you have a link where I can see more of your large format IR.
Bob

This stuff is really excellent.. Never had a sheet fog, it tolerates summer heat..I love it. Luckily I have around 500 sheets.

I'll send some examples. I was digital in 1997. I gave it up around 2006 and went back to film exclusively. No scanning anymore, I make stuff on my ipad. Email me or PM your email and I will send more. You should come to Photostock this year..Many of us would like to meet you

[VictoriaPerelet]

Jim, thanks for great proof of concept! Looking at images - they are pretty sharp, most of softness comes inherit lens character from and not from subject movement. So head brace is may be not strict requirement.

[evan clarke]

Hi Evan

Do you have any problems with the holders allowing fog onto the film
My wife did a lot of Kodak IR and we bought her a 4x5 and she would love to do IR again and your results are quite nice.
Also do you have a link where I can see more of your large format IR.


Bob

Bob, I emailed some more example of the Aura. I also have a successful metering method but it's scribbled on a little card I carry. I'll write it up properly and post it here.

[imagedowser]

Stone, You can show prints of your mf negs in the lounge without breaking any rules.... love to see them.

[Jim collum]

Jim, thanks for great proof of concept! Looking at images - they are pretty sharp, most of softness comes inherit lens character from and not from subject movement. So head brace is may be not strict requirement.

thanks for commenting Victoria!
With a scanning back, the movement won't show itself in softness.. it becomes a wavy distortion. (these image were taken with the brace). Shortest scan time for full res is 34 seconds.. which is a long time to hold the head steady without any movement at all.

[Andrew O'Neill]

Nice ones, Jim! Surreal... ghost-like.

[StoneNYC]

Stone, You can show prints of your mf negs in the lounge without breaking any rules.... love to see them.

Ok, I'll try and do it tonight. There wasn't much in the way of IR sensitive stuff as it's just getting over winter, and because it was a very dismal day, the IR was low, but still it was good to see, the most interesting thing was when I compared the IR from the 092 and R72, it first appeared that the 092 had a lot more, and then by clicking back and forth between the two, I realized the IR was the same and the 092 just let in more normal light and the image was exposed brighter, but it was an optical illusion, because of the brighter image it seemed like the IR was higher. It was really interesting to see how the mind plays tricks on you.

[bob carnie]

Hi Evan

Is this film still available in 4x5??

Efke Aura 092 filter111898

[StoneNYC]

Hi Evan

Is this film still available in 4x5??

The key here is .... EFKE....

Is EFKE the company around?... Nope ...

[evan clarke]

No, like Stone said Efke = gone. I have around 1000 sheets so am set up for a long run of photographs.

[bob carnie]

thats a bummer

[Andrew O'Neill]

I have about 60 8x10 sheets left of the non-aura stuff. If you want halation, wash the anti-halation layer off (few drops of photoflo), dry it, then shoot it. I did this once, and it worked fine. PITA, though.

[evan clarke]

Andrew, wash it in a tray, drum? Hang it to dry in the dark? I have been thinking about doing just that. I like the bloom from no anti-halation layer.

[Andrew O'Neill]

Yes, in a tray. Three trays, actually. I've done 10 sheets at a time, with a few drops of photoflo in all three trays. The first tray removes the brunt of the anit-halation dye. The second and third trays get rid of any traces. Adding photoflo is pretty important. Temperature was 24C. 5 minutes with constant agitation (shuffling), then a quick dip in the last two trays, then hang. The entire process of course is done in the dark. I have a cupboard with a rope and plastic clothe pegs.

[StoneNYC]

Yes, in a tray. Three trays, actually. I've done 10 sheets at a time, with a few drops of photoflo in all three trays. The first tray removes the brunt of the anit-halation dye. The second and third trays get rid of any traces. Adding photoflo is pretty important. Temperature was 24C. 5 minutes with constant agitation (shuffling), then a quick dip in the last two trays, then hang. The entire process of course is done in the dark. I have a cupboard with a rope and plastic clothe pegs.

I've seen a lot of people talking about how Photoflo could leave residue and cause difficulty in your processor, and so when washing your film at the end, you should use a different tray to add the photoflo into, so if there is photoflo on the film, when you go to actually process it after, is there anything you need to do to prevent any kind of contamination, does it affect the development stage at all, where you have to extend development times or adjust somehow?

[jcoldslabs]

I have been hearing this for years, that Photo-Flo will never wash out and contaminate your tanks and trays. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have been using the same plastic JOBO tank and reels to develop, stop, fix, wash, and soak film in wetting agent for decades and never seen a problem as a result. If you don't wash everything thoroughly once you're finished, then maybe. I don't know what it might do to film that will be exposed afterwards--I'm sure Andrew can tell us--but I have a feeling it washes off well enough not to matter, especially if you pre-soak the sheets before developing.

I did read how James Fee used to not rinse the fix from his developing reels before developing his next roll to create intentional flaws (bubbles, streaks and specks) on his negatives, so it can work in the other direction, too. :)

Jonathan

[Andrew O'Neill]

James Fee? Hey John, any relation to you? :)
Stone, I've never had a problem with Photo-Flo contamination. I have only used BTZS tubes and trays. Doesn't affect development nor did I a need to adjust development time. I should have a look and see where those negatives are...

[StoneNYC]

James Fee? Hey John, any relation to you? :)
Stone, I've never had a problem with Photo-Flo contamination. I have only used BTZS tubes and trays. Doesn't affect development nor did I a need to adjust development time. I should have a look and see where those negatives are...

Gotcha, thanks, well it's a new option.

[evan clarke]

It can be too high a solution..a little goes a long way. My brother in law worked in the photo lab at RIT for 4 years to earn money while he was going to school there. They used a drop of Ivory liquid soap..

[polyglot]

It's been a while, but we had a spot of mid-winter sunshine this week, AND I wasn't at work!

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5559/14561040436_20fde40b41_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/obH92j)
4x5 IR820, R72, 150mm Nikkor-W, Toyo 45A. View in the hills north-east of Adelaide, looking to the sea.

[SMBooth]

Nice view

[Ian Gordon Bilson]

I think the recurring horror stories about PhotoFlo are entering the Urban Myth area.. Did your hear the one about the fingertips under the rear bumper ?

[stradibarrius]

Beautiful! I love working with IR film. I have 4 rolls left of HIE.
It's been a while, but we had a spot of mid-winter sunshine this week, AND I wasn't at work!

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5559/14561040436_20fde40b41_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/obH92j)
4x5 IR820, R72, 150mm Nikkor-W, Toyo 45A. View in the hills north-east of Adelaide, looking to the sea.

[SMBooth]

Westgate Bridge - Melbourne Australia
Experiment with IR820 on a cloudy day. Totally forgeting that the concrete bridge won't reflect any IR light.
B&J 810 / 45mm Nikkor / R72 filter

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[Jeff Dexheimer]

It's been a while, but we had a spot of mid-winter sunshine this week, AND I wasn't at work!

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5559/14561040436_20fde40b41_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/obH92j)
4x5 IR820, R72, 150mm Nikkor-W, Toyo 45A. View in the hills north-east of Adelaide, looking to the sea.
Wonderful. I miss IR 820.

[StoneNYC]

Westgate Bridge - Melbourne Australia
Experiment with IR820 on a cloudy day. Totally forgeting that the concrete bridge won't reflect any IR light.
B&J 810 / 45mm Nikkor / R72 filter

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Is that info right? 45mm on an 8x10?

[SMBooth]

Is that info right? 45mm on an 8x10?

No 450mm sorry to get you all excited about a new wide angle lens for 8x10.

[StoneNYC]

No 450mm sorry to get you all excited about a new wide angle lens for 8x10.

Well the image is lovely, because if the curve in the bridge it almost seemed possible but I didn't think so, good job regardless.

[stradibarrius]

I am also trying the Rollei IR film. I have loaded my first roll of 35mm. I hope it is good so I can get some 4x5.
does anyone have experience with Rollei IR???

[polyglot]

thanks, everyone.

[John Olsen]

I am also trying the Rollei IR film. I have loaded my first roll of 35mm. I hope it is good so I can get some 4x5.
does anyone have experience with Rollei IR???

Yes, go out and buy as much as your freezer can hold. I'm shooting Rollie i.r. in 35mm, 6x6 and 4x5. In side-by-side comparisons with my best guesses for TriX filtration, it's always the Rollei that goes into the enlarger.
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[StoneNYC]

Yes, go out and buy as much as your freezer can hold. I'm shooting Rollie i.r. in 35mm, 6x6 and 4x5. In side-by-side comparisons with my best guesses for TriX filtration, it's always the Rollei that goes into the enlarger.
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When you say Tri-X filtration, do you mean as a mask or as a dense sheet of Tri-X over the lens when taking?

[John Olsen]

When you say Tri-X filtration, do you mean as a mask or as a dense sheet of Tri-X over the lens when taking?
Yes, a sheet of totally exposed and developed TriX makes a wonderful filter for rendering all scenes as Zone X. However, some times I actually try to capture an image on the TriX itself and I apply various filters to the taking lens in a futile effort to get a landscape that is better than what Rollei i.r. would have given me.

[evan clarke]

11x14 Efke IR

[StoneNYC]

11x14 Efke IR

They made 11x14 EFKE IR820?? OMG! Lucky you!

[sanking]

They made 11x14 EFKE IR820?? OMG! Lucky you!

Yes, Efke made IR 820 in 11X14" size. I bought several hundred sheets of the stuff just before the announcement that Efke was ceasing production. It was very inexpensive, about $25 per 50 sheet box. I cut it down for 5X7. It is low ASA so will keep a long time if stored in the freezer. It is/was a nice option because you could use it for regular panchromatic work without a filter, or for IR with an IR filter of 715 or 720.

Sandy

[StoneNYC]

Yes, Efke made IR 820 in 11X14" size. I bought several hundred sheets of the stuff just before the announcement that Efke was ceasing production. It was very inexpensive, about $25 per 50 sheet box. I cut it down for 5X7. It is low ASA so will keep a long time if stored in the freezer. It is/was a nice option because you could use it for regular panchromatic work without a filter, or for IR with an IR filter of 715 or 720.

Sandy

WOW!!! $25/50 sheet box??? You made out like a bandit!

What ASA is it?

And care to share any? I'm building an 11x14 camera (better than my first camera which was only a pinhole) and I would love to shoot some when I know it's working!

I'm sure everyone asks you though, maybe if I offer you double your purchase price! Haha :)

[evan clarke]

Yup, I bought 400 sheets.

[evan clarke]

WOW!!! $25/50 sheet box??? You made out like a bandit!

What ASA is it?

And care to share any? I'm building an 11x14 camera (better than my first camera which was only a pinhole) and I would love to shoot some when I know it's working!

I'm sure everyone asks you though, maybe if I offer you double your purchase price! Haha :)

Need to make sure of a couple things. The bellows must be IR safe and you will need an APO lens. The bigger format gives funny results with non APO lenses.

[StoneNYC]

Need to make sure of a couple things. The bellows must be IR safe and you will need an APO lens. The bigger format gives funny results with non APO lenses.

Yup, the lens will be one of the Fujinon C lenses (300 C, 450 C, 600 C all APO to my knowledge).

I've heard mixed info about the Chamonix bellows, Dan Bayer tells me he used the Chamonix 45N-2 with lots of EFKE820IR and never has had IR fogging, yet others tell me their bellows are not IR proof.

Maybe older models weren't IR proof and new ones are? Anyone?

Is duveyteen IR proof cloth? (Assuming it's thick enough).

[Corran]

On 4x5, the older bellows are IR proof. I believe the first 200 were IR-proof (I happen to have #198 :)). Though from experience I discovered the film holder slits where the darkslide inserts are NOT IR proof, so I had bad fogging problems for a while.

I have no idea how that translates to the 8x10 model.

Just cover your bellows and film holder with your darkcloth and you should be good, maybe?

[StoneNYC]

On 4x5, the older bellows are IR proof. I believe the first 200 were IR-proof (I happen to have #198 :)). Though from experience I discovered the film holder slits where the darkslide inserts are NOT IR proof, so I had bad fogging problems for a while.

I have no idea how that translates to the 8x10 model.

Just cover your bellows and film holder with your darkcloth and you should be good, maybe?

I'll have to ask I guess... Maybe if I'm ambitious I'll just set the camera up at night and inset a sheet of film in a 4x5 holder and leave it sitting in the bellows half open, then develop that night to see... Don't want to waste any 8x10 testing and I don't own any 35mm or 120 820 IR to test with :(

Unless anyone wants to send me a roll or two? :)

[SMBooth]

Why would you test for IR at night?

[StoneNYC]

Why would you test for IR at night?

Sorry, I have to clarify, I don't own a dark room, and I do everything in my Dark Tent.

But my day by 10 camera will certainly not fit in the dark tent, the holders I can load just fine, but an actual camera, I don't think so, so the only way for me to get a 4 x 5 film holder inside the Bellows is to load it at night and then in the morning bring it outside to test it, but I couldn't actually close the holder dark slide and remove the holder to develop it until nighttime when I can get to a light proof space.

Make sense? If I had an 8x10 to 4x5 reducing back, this wouldn't be a problem...

[Corran]

Stone, just tape the film in the 8x10 holder.....

[evan clarke]

Yup, the lens will be one of the Fujinon C lenses (300 C, 450 C, 600 C all APO to my knowledge).

I've heard mixed info about the Chamonix bellows, Dan Bayer tells me he used the Chamonix 45N-2 with lots of EFKE820IR and never has had IR fogging, yet others tell me their bellows are not IR proof.

Maybe older models weren't IR proof and new ones are? Anyone?

Is duveyteen IR proof cloth? (Assuming it's thick enough).

Neither my 8x10 or 11x14 standard bellows are ir safe. The 8x10 is about 10 months old. I bought leather bag bellows for both, which works well in the context of wide lemses.

[sanking]

WOW!!! $25/50 sheet box??? You made out like a bandit!

What ASA is it?

And care to share any? I'm building an 11x14 camera (better than my first camera which was only a pinhole) and I would love to shoot some when I know it's working!

I'm sure everyone asks you though, maybe if I offer you double your purchase price! Haha :)

Good luck with your 11X14 camera, but I am going to pass on selling the film. Kind of want to hang on to it as I still have a 11X14 camera and a few holders and may want to use the film one day.

Effective film speed with a 720 nm is slow, and even slower with an 820 filter. Think in terms of 5-10 seconds at f/16 in sunlight, assuming you want some detail in the shadows.

Sandy

[Jan Pedersen]

The bellows on my early Cham 8x10 is not IR safe. The bag bellows you can get for the 8x10 is IR safe.

[StoneNYC]

The bellows on my early Cham 8x10 is not IR safe. The bag bellows you can get for the 8x10 is IR safe.

Well I won't be using the bag bellows :(

I know mine is #145 in the updated model production line (when they added the bail back).

So I guess it's probably not old enough to be the IR safe version.

ALSO thanks for the taping the 4x5 or even 120 to the 8x10 good idea I feel dumb for not thinking of that! Lol.

[Jan Pedersen]

So I guess it's probably not old enough to be the IR safe version.


The old version was not IR safe!
That said, have had good results throwing the dark cloth carefully over the bellows before exposure.

[Maris Rusis]

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3886/14653731411_9334f73f07_b.jpg
Boulder and Shrubs, Porcupine Track, Infrared

Gelatin-silver photograph on Ultrafine Silver Eagle VC FB photographic paper, image size 19.6cm X 24.6cm, from a 8x10 Efke IR820 negative exposed in a Tachihara 810HD triple extension field view camera fitted with a Wollensak 159mm f9.5 lens and IR680 filter.
Titled, signed, and stamped verso.

[StoneNYC]

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3886/14653731411_9334f73f07_b.jpg
Boulder and Shrubs, Porcupine Track, Infrared

Gelatin-silver photograph on Ultrafine Silver Eagle VC FB photographic paper, image size 19.6cm X 24.6cm, from a 8x10 Efke IR820 negative exposed in a Tachihara 810HD triple extension field view camera fitted with a Wollensak 159mm f9.5 lens and IR680 filter.
Titled, signed, and stamped verso.

Wow that's cool! Intense! Why did you use the IR680 lens instead of an IR720 filter?

[Maris Rusis]

The filter I use is a Chinese infrared filter marked IR680. I also have a Chinese IR720 filter when looked through (dimly!) appears the same as an IR680. Both filters shoot the same as well. I darkly suspect the cheap ($20 for 77mm diam) Chinese IR filters are not examples of spectrophotometric purity and may actually be the same. In any case they work and deliver results for little money.

[Jody_S]

(...) Both filters shoot the same as well. I darkly suspect the cheap ($20 for 77mm diam) Chinese IR filters are not examples of spectrophotometric purity and may actually be the same. In any case they work and deliver results for little money.

I second this observation. I have 3 of them in different wavelengths, I can't tell them apart either. I use them interchangeably (on different lenses, per diameter) with no adjustments in exposure.

[Leigh]

The filter I use is a Chinese infrared filter marked IR680. I also have a Chinese IR720 filter...
Given that IR extends from about 680nm out to over 2000nm, the difference between 680 and 720 is insignificant.

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I don't know what the limit of the film and optics are.

- Leigh

[evan clarke]

Here's one..4x5 Arca, 110SSXL, B+W 092 Efke Aura.

[mat4226]

I second this observation. I have 3 of them in different wavelengths, I can't tell them apart either. I use them interchangeably (on different lenses, per diameter) with no adjustments in exposure.

I just purchased one of these cheap Chinese IR filters for my 150mm Super Symmar XL and was wondering what filter factor you all are using. Held the filter up to an indoor light to compare it to my Hoya R72's and it's noticeably brighter.

[StoneNYC]

Here's one..4x5 Arca, 110SSXL, B+W 092 Efke Aura.

Do you like the 92? I'm thinking of selling mine, I found the R72 to work better for the RollieIR films, but EFKE is 820 instead if Rollie's which is like 760 or something... Thanks, thinking I selling mine.

[evan clarke]

Do you like the 92? I'm thinking of selling mine, I found the R72 to work better for the RollieIR films, but EFKE is 820 instead if Rollie's which is like 760 or something... Thanks, thinking I selling mine.

I have a bunch of the 820 and this seems to work the way I like..

[uphereinmytree]

efke IR. 10+ minute exposure. This is an old blast furnace from the heyday of steel production in pittsburgh.

[Peter Lewin]

efke IR. 10+ minute exposure. This is an old blast furnace from the heyday of steel production in pittsburgh.

I like this one a lot, probably because I'm a sucker for "old industrial things." I'm familiar with how IR changes tones in outdoors photographs, for example turning green leaves to a whiter shade, and darkening skies. Can you describe how IR changes tones on an indoor, presumably dark, scene like this one? As I said, I really like the image, but I'm trying to learn how using IR film impacted the image.

[uphereinmytree]

This was an outdoor scene in that the light source was the sun. I quess subjects like this just look more 'steely'? The light that made it through the huge overhead structure was indirect and diffuse, so tones aren't really all that different than regular film. I try to shoot efkeIR so that 'infrared' isn't the main attraction.

[Nana Sousa Dias]

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NSD 45 PS (4x5 home made camera), Rollei IR, Cokin 007

[Nana Sousa Dias]

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NSD 45 PS (4x5 home made camera),Efke IR 820, Cokin 007

[Peter De Smidt]

efke IR. 10+ minute exposure. This is an old blast furnace from the heyday of steel production in pittsburgh.

Nice work!

[Nana Sousa Dias]

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Shen Hao HZX 45 IIA, Schneider Symmar 150, Efke 820, Cokin 007.

[Nana Sousa Dias]

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Shen Hao HZX 45 IIA, Schneider Symmar 150, Efke 820, Cokin 007.

[uphereinmytree]

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Baltimore Harbor. the lichen on the wood shows some IR effect

[jcoldslabs]

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Baltimore Harbor. the lichen on the wood shows some IR effect

I'm really lichen that photo.... :)

Jonathan

[bgh]

I decided to give IR a try. Herewith my first two efforts, both here in Syracuse the other day. I took both with the Rollei 400 IR, at ASA 3 using a Hoya r72 filter. 4x5, with a Schneider 150mm 5.6 lens, f22 at 2 seconds.

The composition may not be much to write home about, but I'm just excited to have some useable negatives. Since I do mostly architecture, now I really want to see what other materials look like in IR.

Bruce

[StoneNYC]

A very poor image, just a test, but even though it was a test image I enjoyed it still and wanted to share because I was excited to finally be shooting large-format infrared images.

This was shot on my 8 x 10 Chamonix camera, everyone says that the Bellows are not infrared light tight so I wanted to test it myself, no problems whatsoever, I did contact Hugo and he said that the 8 x 10 Bellows were made with a different material and he's very glad to hear that the clothes appear to be infrared light tight. This is a sheet of 4x5 that I taped into an 8x10 Holder and positioned the camera knowing that I only had the bottom portion vertically to take an image with, it came out pretty much on target but after looking at the image it seemed to look better as a square, so I hope I'm not violating any rules by sharing this image as it has been cropped to 4x4, even though it was shot on a sheet of 4x5 in an 8x10 camera. It was also developed in a 3005 rotary tank with other 8x10 sheets of film.

I reiterate that this was not supposed to be a mind blowing image, it was taken in my back yard etc. Lol.

4x5 EFKE IR820, R72 filter, 300 C lens, f/22 @ 8 seconds, souped in DD-X for 7 minutes Rotary, Cropped 4x4.

(Uploads don't seem to be working for some reason, the link comes from an APUG image, I THINK it's linkable...?)

http://www.apug.org/forums/attachments/monthly-shooting-assignment/100480-monthly-shooting-assignment-nov-dec-2014-how-catch-light-beam-efkeir820-ddx-7mr-2400-001.jpg.att

[polyglot]

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5559/14561040436_20fde40b41_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/obH92j)
4x5 IR820, R72, 150mm Nikkor-W, Toyo 45A, Xtol rotary. Thought I posted this before but can't see it in the thread, oh well.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7461/16014902705_4b5e37bc3b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qpbyCa)
4x5 IR820, R72, 90mm Grandagon-N, Toyo 45A, Xtol rotary.

[StoneNYC]

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5559/14561040436_20fde40b41_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/obH92j)
4x5 IR820, R72, 150mm Nikkor-W, Toyo 45A, Xtol rotary. Thought I posted this before but can't see it in the thread, oh well.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7461/16014902705_4b5e37bc3b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qpbyCa)
4x5 IR820, R72, 90mm Grandagon-N, Toyo 45A, Xtol rotary.

Cool!

I tried to shoot some 8x10 yesterday but it was too windy...

[Alan Gales]

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NSD 45 PS (4x5 home made camera), Rollei IR, Cokin 007

I like this! The infrared really works well here.

[scheinfluger_77]

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5559/14561040436_20fde40b41_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/obH92j)
4x5 IR820, R72, 150mm Nikkor-W, Toyo 45A, Xtol rotary. Thought I posted this before but can't see it in the thread, oh well.

... <snip>

You know what's really nice about this image is what the IR effect is understated. It's not so pronounced but it is still obviously IR. Good composition and lighting all around on this one.

[polyglot]

thanks everyone

[SMBooth]

Mc Namara Hut in the Victorian High Plains, taken on a 8x10 Burke&Jame with 270mm. Efke IR820 and R72 filter rated at ISO1.5
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[StoneNYC]

Mc Namara Hut in the Victorian High Plains, taken on a 8x10 Burke&Jame with 270mm. Efke IR820 and R72 filter rated at ISO1.5
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Well, that exposure is excellent, even the shadow detail on the side of the building is really good in the shade, and it's a great framing, very cool.

[SMBooth]

Thanks Stone, l should say its a scan of a print made on Ilford WT

[StoneNYC]

Thanks Stone, l should say its a scan of a print made on Ilford WT

Then you're a master!

[Paul Cunningham]

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55245071/photo/alley_kodak_aerochrome_iii_mpix_eu.jpg
Sinar Alpina, Aerochrome.
Orange filter, C41

Thanks for posting this. I've shot Aerochrome in 35mm, and just got hold of some 4x5, so I'm thinking over what I want to shoot. Why did you cross process in C-41? I'm not sure I've seen that before.

Paul

[AndrewTwoTwo]

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7553/16126678950_46ab2a7319_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/captain_andy/16126678950/)

Efke IR820 in Rodinal
Busch Pressman

[jb7]

Rodinal. That explains it...

Astonishing image, like a cross between a duck and the Loch Ness Monster. The Loch Ness duck, maybe.

[djdister]

Rodinal. That explains it...

Astonishing image, like a cross between a duck and the Loch Ness Monster. The Loch Ness duck, maybe.

I don't think Rodinal or IR film explains it at all. It looks like a silverized ballon animal made by a clown on acid. Cool shot whatever it is.

[Andrew O'Neill]

Very cool!

[StoneNYC]

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7553/16126678950_46ab2a7319_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/captain_andy/16126678950/)

Efke IR820 in Rodinal
Busch Pressman

Yea, what's going on here?

I haven't seen many use Rodinal for EFKE IR820, what made you choose Rodinal? I've tried HC-110(B) and Ilfotec DD-X, I seem to like the DD-X better even if it's expensive. But I love Rodinal with other 100 speed films, so I'm curious what made you choose that.

But also, what's happening here??? It's really interesting but can't figure out what it is.

[Corran]

I just want to input here that I've used Rodinal, 1:100 semi-stand, for some Efke IR820. It's incredibly grainy. I might not continue to do so when I get around to shooting some more IR820 but it certainly has a "look" to it w/ Rodinal. It also seemed impossible to overexpose with that development.

[AndrewTwoTwo]

Yea, what's going on here?

I haven't seen many use Rodinal for EFKE IR820, what made you choose Rodinal? I've tried HC-110(B) and Ilfotec DD-X, I seem to like the DD-X better even if it's expensive. But I love Rodinal with other 100 speed films, so I'm curious what made you choose that.

But also, what's happening here??? It's really interesting but can't figure out what it is.

Well, thanks for the interest y'all.
As for what it is, it was a very large art installation, an abstract sculpture made of metal. It was some 15-20 feet high and out of the frame to the right it was mounted in the ground.

When it comes to using Rodinal, I had often used HC-110 with IR820 in the past but found I was typically getting negatives of too high a contrast to scan well. I had recently read about and tried stand development using Rodinal (the only other developer I've used other than HC-110) for very high-contrast scenes. An infrared image of a shiny metal sculpture in full sunlight in mid-afternoon fit the bill (!) so I thought I would give it a shot.

I had also left the film holder sitting out on a shelf for the better part of a year and I figured there was a good chance it was spoiled (there turned out to be some light leaks), so I figured I had little to lose with an experiment.

[StoneNYC]

EFKE IR 820 210mm with R72 filter held against lens (no threads on lens for attaching the filter) for 6 seconds @ f/32 4x5 negative, cropped slightly as I've discover the Grafmatic holders allow light to pass through the thumb indent in the septum because EFKE IR 820 has no anti halation backing so light passes right through! lol.

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[StoneNYC]

4x5 EFKE IR820 | 150mm f/22@6seconds | Ilfotec HC (ran out of DD-X unexpectedly) | R72 filter

Love the bizarre cloud patterns, not sure that's how it was visibly. Also proves I need to be more aware of lens refraction of the sun!

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[Maris Rusis]

EFKE IR 820 210mm with R72 filter held against lens (no threads on lens for attaching the filter) for 6 seconds @ f/32 4x5 negative, cropped slightly as I've discover the Grafmatic holders allow light to pass through the thumb indent in the septum because EFKE IR 820 has no anti halation backing so light passes right through! lol.

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Wow, infrared when it is done right!

I've never had a problem with Efke IR820 in a Grafmatic holder letting light through the thumb indent. After the Grafmatic is inserted into the camera back the slide is pulled thus allowing the next septum and its sheet of film to jump forward. Then the slide is pushed back in to form a light-proof barrier behind the septum + film and the exposure is made. Finally the chrome trigger is depressed so it engages with the finger loop and the Grafmatic magazine section is pulled out to allow the exposed sheet to go to the back of the stack, The magazine section is pushed back in and the Grafmatic is ready for another exposure sequence with the number wheel advanced by one.

Grafmatics are wonderful and occasionally treacherous until tweaked to perfection. I've done all the mistakes including fogging a complete stack of films (thankfully not Efke) through the thumb indent!

[StoneNYC]

Wow, infrared when it is done right!

I've never had a problem with Efke IR820 in a Grafmatic holder letting light through the thumb indent. After the Grafmatic is inserted into the camera back the slide is pulled thus allowing the next septum and its sheet of film to jump forward. Then the slide is pushed back in to form a light-proof barrier behind the septum + film and the exposure is made. Finally the chrome trigger is depressed so it engages with the finger loop and the Grafmatic magazine section is pulled out to allow the exposed sheet to go to the back of the stack, The magazine section is pushed back in and the Grafmatic is ready for another exposure sequence with the number wheel advanced by one.

Grafmatics are wonderful and occasionally treacherous until tweaked to perfection. I've done all the mistakes including fogging a complete stack of films (thankfully not Efke) through the thumb indent!

Thanks :)

I've just had a revelation, I think using the Grafmatic is fine, before you posted I was thinking about it and trying to figure out how it could have happened, the dark slide goes behind the front septum so that shouldn't happen, I realized that the first 2 images shot were in my Toyo45a, the two shots were completely fogged.

So I think what happened is that because the bellows were not infrared light tight, when I changed and rotated the septum, light got through the thumbhole area and fogged all six sheets at once. In addition the two sheets I shot were completely fogged (which is a shame, they were images shot in Canada).

I had always had a little light fogging on the Rollie IR400 film, but I was told it aged fast (like 3200 speed films) so I attributed it to that, and since it's less IR sensitive it wasn't obvious. It was fully normal light proof.

So now I'm going back to using the Grafmatic once I shoot through the 4 DDS holders I loaded.

[SMBooth]

EFKE IR 820 210mm with R72 filter held against lens (no threads on lens for attaching the filter) for 6 seconds @ f/32 4x5 negative, cropped slightly as I've discover the Grafmatic holders allow light to pass through the thumb indent in the septum because EFKE IR 820 has no anti halation backing so light passes right through! lol.



Stunning image Stone, looks like you got it worked out.

[mono]

EFKE IR 820 210mm with R72 filter held against lens (no threads on lens for attaching the filter) for 6 seconds @ f/32 4x5 negative, cropped slightly as I've discover the Grafmatic holders allow light to pass through the thumb indent in the septum because EFKE IR 820 has no anti halation backing so light passes right through! lol.

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Goog one!

[mono]

EFKE IR 820 210mm with R72 filter held against lens (no threads on lens for attaching the filter) for 6 seconds @ f/32 4x5 negative, cropped slightly as I've discover the Grafmatic holders allow light to pass through the thumb indent in the septum because EFKE IR 820 has no anti halation backing so light passes right through! lol.

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Good one!

[John Olsen]

Back out to visit the town truck. It's moved few feet since last shot and the distant tree is in bloom now. I shot with a 360 mm lens, Rollei infrared 4x5 and Cokin X007 filter, f32, 1s, developed in HC100 B. Too bad the other trees were only starting to bud. Another try might be good in a couple more weeks.
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[polyglot]

This is good.


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[StoneNYC]

4x10 IR version of a shot I posted previously in the 4x10 thread, IR is an interesting film and I love how we get a glimpse of how snakes might see.

4x10 - 450mm - Ilfotec HC

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[Nodda Duma]

Great pictures! I love infrared. Hope you don't mind a quick explanation of the imaging bands in use today (using the non-astronomical convention). I thought it might be of interest, even though it's sort of off-topic.

A snake's thermal sense works at infrared wavelengths much different than this, and would look very different.

IR film sees up to about 900 nm right? and so still operates in what is termed the reflective (VIS/NIR) spectra. VIS is 450-650nm, and NIR (near-infrared) is 650 to about 1000nm, or 1 um. The convention is widely used, and is tied to the response of traditional imaging material such as silver halides and silicon detectors. Detection is primarily by reflected light.

The Short-wave infrared, or SWIR band ranges from 1 um (1000 nm) to 1.7 um. Indium Gallium Arsenide is the primary detector material used here. It still operates primarily by reflected energy. I haven't seen any artistic use of SWIR cameras yet, but you can google SWIR images and see what they look like. If you're looking for a digital imaging project and have the ~$50k to spare for the cost of a camera, then you could break new artistic ground. Most clothing dyes are transparent, as is polyester. Hair looks different. Foliage is bright in this band as well. Water is very dark. I think SWIR sees use in analyzing the layers of classical paintings, taking advantage of transparency of the pigments. So you can, for example, see the underlying pencil sketchings drawn out before the artist began painting.

Mid-wave infrared (MWIR) operates from 3-5um, and operates primarily via emissive energy. That is, contrast is determined by the temperature of the objects in the scene.

The Long Wave Infrared (LWIR), or thermal band, is defined as ~7-13 um. This is your traditional thermal band that is widely used today. Again, contrast in the scene is determined by temperature of the objects. Microbolometers are very popular today for use as a detector material. From color temperature theory, objects at room temperature are the "brightest" objects in this band. So people in the woods stand out very well. You can look up images for examples. This is where a snake's thermal sense works.

For them, a scene outdoors would look uniformly gray (everything at the same temperature), with the only real contrast occurring between the background and warmer objects such as mice, rodents, etc. Their heat sensing pad is very low resolution, and interestingly enough, they use very significant processing in their little brain to form a useable image.

[Tin Can]

Useful

[jdaivpmed]

Good Morning Nodda,

Great explanation! I would like to just add a couple thoughts.

The bands of infrared wavelengths that Nodda is describing are not the only wavelengths that IR energy is active, there is still energy occurring in the wavelengths between those bands. These bands are defined not because of the limitations of emission of IR energy, but because of limitations to its transmission through our atmosphere. In other words, these bands coincide with "windows" in the atmosphere which allow for the transmission of IR energy in those respective wavelengths. Outside these windows virtually all IR energy is blocked, mostly due to water vapor, carbon dioxide, and ozone. As such, we design our detectors to work within these specific windows (in most cases, either the MWIR or LWIR bands). If we were operating in a vacuum then there would be no need to break the IR spectrum into these bands as there would be nothing to interfere with transmission of the IR energy.

Detector deseign and resolution has progressed greatly in the last two decades and there are now a great variety of systems available in the MWIR and LWIR bands. Each band has advantages over the other and as such they tend to be selected for a specific application. I believe that most of the uncooled microbolometer based systems still operate in the MWIR band, but there are certainly LWIR units out there now too.

This is an interesting crossover subject for me because my company (Bison Aviation) specializes in servicing airborne infrared (thermal) camera systems, primarily FLIR (Forward Looking InfreRed) units. Most of our clients use these systems for spotting bad guys on the ground, but there are other applications, such as utility surveys, animal population monitoring, and fire mapping. The vast majority of the airborne systems we service utilize cryogenically cooled LWIR focal plane arrays, though there are a few MWIR systems out there. By utilizing a cooled detector these systems achieve much higher sensitivity and thermal resolution than their microbolometer based counterparts. Of course that resolution and sensitivity comes at the cost of added mechanical complexity and of course financial expense. Currently the cheapest airborne system on the market costs about four times the price Nodda mentioned!

Despite their expensive and technologically advanced nature, I have yet to see a FLIR system that offers even the most basic view camera movements. Pan and tilt (actually elevation and azimuth in the FLIR world) is about all you're going to get with these cameras. Maybe I should gather up some spare parts and build the first thermal imaging view camera! Ha ha

John IV

[Nodda Duma]

Great follow-up and you are spot-on, John.

One thought about IR windows..I've found a growing interest in the (normally unused) 2-3um band for mining applications. I'm not too familiar with the details, but from what I understand there's better differentiation of minerals of interest from the surrounding rock in those wavelengths. The imaging ranges are short enough (30 ft or less) that atmospheric absorption isn't an issue.

[StoneNYC]

Definitely an interesting discussion, you should start a thread about non-traditional spectrum imaging, this is fascinating! Thanks for sharing both of you and for correcting my error on "seeing like snakes" I'm not so good with abstract, low contrast, blurry imagery so shooting "like snake vision" wouldn't be my best work hah!

I'm sad I only have 42 sheets of 8x10 left before I have to stick with 4x5 IR. I wouldn't be SO bummed if Rollie made theirs in 8x10, alas the market just isn't there for them plus the special precautions and difficulty with such thin sheets.

Something is better than nothing!

[mat4226]

Afternoon Glow, Highbanks Metro Park, Columbus, OH

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7584/16313087864_c0f141e196_z.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mat4226/16313087864/)

Tachihara 8x10 + Fujinon W 250mm f/6.7 w/ R72 filter
Efke IR820 in Pyrocat HD 2:2:100

[uphereinmytree]

efke IR 4x5

[uphereinmytree]

efke ir

[StoneNYC]

efke IR 4x5


efke ir

Were these shot without an IR filter?

[uphereinmytree]

Shot with a b+w 092 filter which lets in some of the regular spectrum and keeps the contrast down some

[mat4226]

Winding Trail, Highbanks Metro Park, Columbus, OH

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8722/16789856778_9572dbcd19_z.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mat4226/16789856778/)

Tachihara 8x10 + Fujinon W 250mm f/6.7 w/ R72 filter
Efke IR820 in Pyrocat HD 2:2:100

[StoneNYC]

Winding Trail, Highbanks Metro Park, Columbus, OH

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8722/16789856778_9572dbcd19_z.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mat4226/16789856778/)

Tachihara 8x10 + Fujinon W 250mm f/6.7 w/ R72 filter
Efke IR820 in Pyrocat HD 2:2:100

Nice choice!

[John Olsen]

Mat, excellent image, congratulations.

[Gary Beasley]

Folks here have been doing quite a good job keeping this thread alive in the years since I started it. I've seen some very inspiring images, thank you all!

[StoneNYC]

Folks here have been doing quite a good job keeping this thread alive in the years since I started it. I've seen some very inspiring images, thank you all!

Let's see some more of yours! ;)

[Gary Beasley]

Let's see some more of yours! ;)

I've been out of the darkroom for too long. I plan on reviving it before too long as I am close to retiring. I do have some infrared film stashed to play with if I ever get a good time to do it.

[StoneNYC]

I've been out of the darkroom for too long. I plan on reviving it before too long as I am close to retiring. I do have some infrared film stashed to play with if I ever get a good time to do it.

Don't let it go bad! Send it to me! ;) lol.

Be well, best with your retirement plans!

[drew.saunders]

Here are a few from Fort Point, San Francisco. All Efke IR820 Aura, with the Lee IR filter.

Here's the view of the fort from the top. I think the circular blob is a processing error:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7724/17018038580_ae7e9b2de3_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/rVPTYh)
04-18-15-IR2 (https://flic.kr/p/rVPTYh) by Drew Saunders (https://www.flickr.com/people/26797636@N05/), on Flickr

And, from the parking lot, some sailboats in front of Alcatraz:
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8742/16585386503_59330aaab5_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/rgArzH)
04-18-15-IR3 (https://flic.kr/p/rgArzH) by Drew Saunders (https://www.flickr.com/people/26797636@N05/), on Flickr

And then I swung the tripod and pointed at downtown San Francisco, and held the shutter open a wee bit longer (I was aiming for 1.5 seconds, probably did closer to 2, 3 might have been better). The glowing dome is the Palace of Fine Arts. The Transamerica building is off in the distance.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7674/16998146487_5b610b0160_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/rU4WKa)
04-18-15-IR4 (https://flic.kr/p/rU4WKa) by Drew Saunders (https://www.flickr.com/people/26797636@N05/), on Flickr

[Gary Beasley]

Cool! And you didn't have the wind kite your camera into the bay! I was there last year, wonderful stonework but that wind is ferocious.

[StoneNYC]

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EFKE IR R72 filter.

Solar panels being installed at the highway rest stop, the times, they are a-changin', but this could be good change. I presume these are for electric charge stations but nothing is installed yet...

[Gary Beasley]

I like this one. Great tonality as well.

[Paul Cunningham]

I finally found some color sheet Aerochrome (4x5). It may be the last batch in America.

http://www.verycunning.com/img/s6/v136/p1179443112-4.jpg

St Johns Bridge, Portland. February 2015.
Nikkor 135mm, 1/60s, f/16, ISO100, yellow filter.

[StoneNYC]

I finally found some color sheet Aerochrome (4x5). It may be the last batch in America.

http://www.verycunning.com/img/s6/v136/p1179443112-4.jpg

St Johns Bridge, Portland. February 2015.
Nikkor 135mm, 1/60s, f/16, ISO100, yellow filter.

Brilliant!!

[Gary Beasley]

Did you process it E-6? From the looks of the colors you might need to extend the first developer a bit, I've seen that recommendation before to balance the colors properly for the rich reds in the IR part of the image.

[Paul Cunningham]

This was lab developed in E6, but it wasn't a particularly strong IR day in Oregon. I balanced color to my taste in Lightroom. I have another example taken in Florida a week ago, also processed E6, which is more saturated. I'll post it tomorrow.

[EdSawyer]

Nice! that's got to be a rare find. (4x5 aerochrome). How far out of date is it? Is it cut down from rollfilm or was it originally sheets?

[Paul Cunningham]

Ed, it dates to 2006, and was originally in 10" rolls. It's extremely thin stock, I presume because it was roll film. I have a good bit of it at the moment.

[Paul Cunningham]

Here is a shot taken in central Florida mid-afternoon. On the left is Velvia 50, on the right, Aerochrome, shot back to back.
No artistry was intended in this image, it's just a film test. Also note that this is just a screen capture.

Nikkor 210mm.
Velvia 50 f/14, 1/60s.
Aerochrome f/16, 1/60s, orange filter. (May have been f/32, I spoiled one frame.)

http://www.verycunning.com/img/s12/v175/p1181466239-4.jpg

[StoneNYC]

Here is a shot taken in central Florida mid-afternoon. On the left is Velvia 50, on the right, Aerochrome, shot back to back.
No artistry was intended in this image, it's just a film test. Also note that this is just a screen capture.

Nikkor 210mm.
Velvia 50 f/14, 1/60s.
Aerochrome f/16, 1/60s, orange filter. (May have been f/32, I spoiled one frame.)

http://www.verycunning.com/img/s12/v175/p1181466239-4.jpg

I'm surprised the Velvia50 isn't more vivid, must be the screen capture lowering the saturation, which means the aerochrome must be very vivid!

[Paul Cunningham]

Here's my latest from Maui.

Polo Beach, Maui (Color Infrared, 4x5)
Kodak Aerochrome, expired 2006. Hand cut from 10" roll, processed E-6.
09:59am, 05-31-2015.
90mm, 1/8sec, f/40, (ISO 200 + orange filter)

http://www.verycunning.com/img/s2/v1/p1258474810-5.jpg

and for those who are curious, the raw scan looked like this. (I used Lightroom for processing.)

http://www.verycunning.com/img/s12/v181/p1258500952-3.jpg

[EdSawyer]

Paul, very nice - thanks for sharing. good to know 2006 stuff is still viable. Is there some fog due to the film or holder? The raw scan of the maui shot seems to indicate some extra magenta around the edges? I wonder how this would look cross-processed into C-41 and then printed? I am jealous you have some of this, it's not common. cutting down the thin roll film must be a bit of a pain in the ass too... ;-)

-Ed

[Paul Cunningham]

Is there some fog due to the film or holder? The raw scan of the maui shot seems to indicate some extra magenta around the edges?
I've noticed this too, of course. I'm not sure of the source, but I will be monitoring. It definitely is older stock and not perfect.


I wonder how this would look cross-processed into C-41 and then printed?
I know it can be processed C-41, are you suggesting that as a way around scanning, that is, just go direct to print? One would have a bit less control, of course.


I am jealous you have some of this, it's not common. cutting down the thin roll film must be a bit of a pain in the ass too... ;-)
I'm planning to offer a few sheets of it, I think, but not sure what the price would be. Cheers, Paul

[EdSawyer]

Paul, keep me in mind if you do offer some for sale. I would probably be up for a bit. Cash or trade of other interesting 4x5 film might be an option?

I was thinking cross-process in C-41, mostly for personal convenience, as I am all set up for developing C-41 and printing RA-4 at home, but not E-6 currently. I know the colors and rendition would be different than C-41 but this is not a film where color accuracy is all that critical to begin with. ;-) Wild colors are probably expected...

thanks for sharing your results! I'd suspect the holders of fogging possibly, since it seems to be on all 4 edges of the film - if it was fogging of the film while in roll form, it would probably only be on one or two of the edges, rather than all 4... just a random thought.

-Ed

[Frank Knapp]

Expired 4x5 Efke IR820. Cheapo Chinese 720NM filter.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/480/19138855473_006b245c86_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vaeCWM)Cataldo Mission Infrared (https://flic.kr/p/vaeCWM) by Frank Knapp (https://www.flickr.com/photos/frank_knapp/), on Flickr

[Bill Christian]

http://largesense.com/files/2014/4261/6447/150918_Mission-Santa-Clara_IRfilter_1024.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/largesense/20901117914/in/dateposted-public/)


Mission Santa Clara
Camera: LargeSense LS911-3a Pre Production Camera
Lens: Fujinon SF lens 1:5.6 / 250 mm at f/22
Large format digital camera (single shot sensor, size bigger than 8x10 inch)
Formatt Hitech 100 x 100mm Resin Standard Neutral Density 3.0 Filter
IR950 Infra red pass filter
Added noise, cropped, resized, sharpened.
Santa Clara, CA, USA
Photo Taken: September 18, 2015
Attribution 2.0 Generic LLC

[Andrew O'Neill]

4x5 Rollei IR. 72 filter. Early, overcast morning. Pyrocat-HD.

[kanga]

anybody use this type of film?
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[Paul Cunningham]

I'd be curious to see the sensitivity curve.

[StoneNYC]

anybody use this type of film?
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That's RED sensitive not INFRAred sensitive. Big difference.

[Paul Cunningham]

That's RED sensitive not INFRAred sensitive. Big difference.

One does not preclude the other.

[StoneNYC]

One does not preclude the other.

Actually it does because it says right on the box that it's daylight loading with a green filter, which means it's not sensitive to any other light that would pass through a green filter including IR.

[Andrew O'Neill]

Some films with extended red sensitivity shot through a deep red filter will exhibit some IR effect.

[Paul Cunningham]

Here is the spectrum chart. It has a sharp cutoff beyond red.
http://www.wifac.nl/downloads/PIM_Alliance_DigiDot_HND.pdf

[Corran]

Here is the spectrum chart. It has a sharp cutoff beyond red.
http://www.wifac.nl/downloads/PIM_Alliance_DigiDot_HND.pdf

I would love to get some of that film in normal sheet sizes, considering this chart - it looks like it would be perfect for shooting in the forested areas I am in all the time.

[Jac@stafford.net]

Some films with extended red sensitivity shot through a deep red filter will exhibit some IR effect.

True. For example.... (http://www.digoliardi.net/alma_good_1.jpg) Rollei Infrared 400S

[Jac@stafford.net]

I would love to get some of that film in normal sheet sizes, considering this chart - it looks like it would be perfect for shooting in the forested areas I am in all the time.

I'm not sure. It is quite green-blind. Foliage would be underexposed, no? What's red in the forest? Or do I have it all wrong?

[kanga]

Ok understand, but have u ever use this?
I looking for the iso sens and the dev time on rodinal.
Thanx

[Corran]

I'm not sure. It is quite green-blind. Foliage would be underexposed, no? What's red in the forest? Or do I have it all wrong?

Foliage is too bright a lot of times. Sometimes my photos look almost IR just because of the brightness of the green foliage. An R25 filter helps a little bit and has become my standard filter, and often times paired with a GND to knock down the foliage more. As an example, here's a shot from yesterday (http://www.oceanstarproductions.com/photosharing/deadriver-2688s.jpg) (link because not IR and not LF). I've shot up in N. GA and the multi-colored leaves in the fall are much more middle-grey than what I get here in the swamps. It'd be interesting to try, either way.

kanga - you'll probably have to test yourself. I doubt anyone has used it. I'd be happy to test it for you if you want to send me some cut-down sheets :).

[StoneNYC]

True. For example.... (http://www.digoliardi.net/alma_good_1.jpg) Rollei Infrared 400S

Jac,

I'm surprised that's Rollie, looks more like EFKE IR 820, must have been a strong day. I struggle to get that kind of look from the Rollie, the EFKE just shines. Though I think I recall that this image was from some kind of series, possibly to showcase pollution? Or something, I just know I've seen it before.

At least there's hope for the Rollie IR then. Just too bad they don't make 8x10 :(

[Andrew O'Neill]

True. For example.... Rollei Infrared 400S

I use this film and love it! It's red sensitivity extends a little beyond 800nm, placing it in the IR.


At least there's hope for the Rollie IR then. Just too bad they don't make 8x10

I've wish for that, too, but it has very fine grain and enlargements look very nice.

[Andrew O'Neill]

Not Rollei IR, but Kodak IR. THE infra-red film! I shot this in Omuta, Japan, late one winter afternoon. I used a Wratten #12 filter. Developed in Xtol 1+1.


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5662/22761273343_38676c3830_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/AFktzi)Seaweed Farm (https://flic.kr/p/AFktzi) by Andrew O&#x27;Neill (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62974341@N02/), on Flickr

I cropped a wee bit off the bottom as the bed of my camera at the time (Linhof Tech IV) was in the shot. All the boot prints in the sand are mine!

[Leszek Vogt]

Kinda cool selfie stick you got there, Andrew.

Les

[Andrew O'Neill]

I always leave them laying around.... ;)

[Andrew O'Neill]

Futamigaura, Itoshima, Fukuoka, Japan





https://farm1.staticflickr.com/747/23191255520_b2cf0515f1_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Bkkfi7)Couple Rock (https://flic.kr/p/Bkkfi7) by Andrew O&#x27;Neill (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62974341@N02/), on Flickr



Kodak 4x5 HIE. Wratten #25 filter. Xtol 1+1.

[John Olsen]

Excellent Andrew. Mysterious too.

[Andrew O'Neill]

Thanks John!

[Gary Beasley]

Love it!

[Jac@stafford.net]

Jac,

Though I think I recall that this image was from some kind of series, possibly to showcase pollution? Or something, I just know I've seen it before.

If I may clear that up: no visual pollution issues there at all, despite the coal fueled electrical plant. I used IR because on a good day it is still impossible to see across the river due to haze trapped between the bluffs on both sides. I was nudged to do so after a geologist friend made me aware. I'm going back with a longer lens next Summer.

Location: 44°18'04.08" N 91°54'20.52" W

[StoneNYC]

If I may clear that up: no visual pollution issues there at all, despite the coal fueled electrical plant. I used IR because on a good day it is still impossible to see across the river due to haze trapped between the bluffs on both sides. I was nudged to do so after a geologist friend made me aware. I'm going back with a longer lens next Summer.

Location: 44°18'04.08" N 91°54'20.52" W

Very cool! Look forward to seeing it! And thanks for clearing my memory! :)

[Andrew O'Neill]

A victim of economic bubble bursting in Japan in the early 90's. This Lion Pachinko parlour sat abandoned for a few years before I got around to photographing it. It's somewhere between Ogori and Amagi Cities, on route 500. This was shot on Kodak 4x5 infra-red film with a Wratten #12, minus blue filter. Developed in D-76 1+1

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5760/23230614659_a0ed75f2e7_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/BoNYoX)PachinkoLion (https://flic.kr/p/BoNYoX) by Andrew O&#x27;Neill (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62974341@N02/), on Flickr

[StoneNYC]

I'm really frustrated with this image, I had taken a TMY-2 shot of it which I've posted previously, but I really wanted this shot to SHINE IR, but instead it flops, the water isn't at all black, the IR doesn't cut through the fog, and the tree's and other things really don't shine, I know this is slightly under-exposed, but the UV index was high this day, so I would have thought I would get more IR light in the image, and again, why the heck is the water and sky completely white in an IR image... I know Rollie doesn't have the effect that my EFKE does, which I've been alternating between to try and find a way to get the Rollie to at lest somewhat behave like I envision my IR images to be, but certainly not here.

Looking at my notes, I did also shoot a sheet of EFKE so I guess I was trying to compare, it's been so long I hadn't remembered, and the stack of EFKE IR is next on the list to be processed.

Anyway wanted to share regardless.

4x5 Rollie IR 400 | 450mm w/ R72 filter | f/22 @ 1/60th | HC-110(B)

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[Andrew O'Neill]

You could try a slightly stronger IR filter, like the b+w 93, allowing you to capture IR from about 820nm and beyond... but expect very long exposures. Did you shoot this recently? Winter is my favourite time to shoot IR films (at least it was with HIE), as there is less IR energy. You will have better luck with the Efke and an opaque IR filter like the Wratten 87C.

[Gary Beasley]

I'm really frustrated with this image, I had taken a TMY-2 shot of it which I've posted previously, but I really wanted this shot to SHINE IR, but instead it flops, the water isn't at all black, the IR doesn't cut through the fog, and the tree's and other things really don't shine, I know this is slightly under-exposed, but the UV index was high this day, so I would have thought I would get more IR light in the image, and again, why the heck is the water and sky completely white in an IR image... I know Rollie doesn't have the effect that my EFKE does, which I've been alternating between to try and find a way to get the Rollie to at lest somewhat behave like I envision my IR images to be, but certainly not here.

Looking at my notes, I did also shoot a sheet of EFKE so I guess I was trying to compare, it's been so long I hadn't remembered, and the stack of EFKE IR is next on the list to be processed.

Anyway wanted to share regardless.

4x5 Rollie IR 400 | 450mm w/ R72 filter | f/22 @ 1/60th | HC-110(B)

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IR does not cut through fog, its merely a cloud that's grounded and think of those bright fluffy clouds in an IR dark sky. Water vapor blocks infrared pretty effectively, what you are thinking of is the UV haze you get shooting distances with normal film. So the fog looks white and the water reflects it to look white also.

[StoneNYC]

You could try a slightly stronger IR filter, like the b+w 93, allowing you to capture IR from about 820nm and beyond... but expect very long exposures. Did you shoot this recently? Winter is my favourite time to shoot IR films (at least it was with HIE), as there is less IR energy. You will have better luck with the Efke and an opaque IR filter like the Wratten 87C.

The Rollie IR isn't sensitive to the spectrum that far, any stronger of a filter and it would just be a blank image as far as my understanding goes. Also, at $100 a filter, a filter mind you that few people will re-buy, I can't risk that. But I'm fairly confident my understanding is correct on that a stronger filter wouldn't show anything.

I believe the 87c and R72 are the same aren't they?

This was mid-summer


IR does not cut through fog, its merely a cloud that's grounded and think of those bright fluffy clouds in an IR dark sky. Water vapor blocks infrared pretty effectively, what you are thinking of is the UV haze you get shooting distances with normal film. So the fog looks white and the water reflects it to look white also.

Oh! Got it, thanks that helps a lot!

[Andrew O'Neill]

The 87C is opaque. If you hold it to your eye, you can barely see a bright light source. The R72 is very dark red. Not opaque. I own both filters and use them on Efke IR. Exposures are usually tremendously long, once filter and reciprocity factors added. I almost always shoot at f/11. I use the R72 on Rollei. Most of the filters I own are Wratten gels. The R72 is the only glass filter I own. Cheap on ebay.

[John Olsen]

I'm really frustrated with this image, I had taken a TMY-2 shot of it which I've posted previously, but I really wanted this shot to SHINE IR, but instead it flops, the water isn't at all black, the IR doesn't cut through the fog, and the tree's and other things really don't shine, I know this is slightly under-exposed, but the UV index was high this day, so I would have thought I would get more IR light in the image, and again, why the heck is the water and sky completely white in an IR image... I know Rollie doesn't have the effect that my EFKE does, which I've been alternating between to try and find a way to get the Rollie to at lest somewhat behave like I envision my IR images to be, but certainly not here.

Looking at my notes, I did also shoot a sheet of EFKE so I guess I was trying to compare, it's been so long I hadn't remembered, and the stack of EFKE IR is next on the list to be processed.

Anyway wanted to share regardless.

4x5 Rollie IR 400 | 450mm w/ R72 filter | f/22 @ 1/60th | HC-110(B)

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I'm glad you posted this, as I'm tempted to shoot my precious Rollei IR, Konica750 and HEI on overcast days - we get a lot of them!
But, water vapor is a strong absorber of infrared in the band that Rollei can see, up to 720 nm. Looking at the spectrum below you'll see that if you were shooting Kodak HEI (and maybe Efke) you'd be just beyond the water vapor band. That's why traditionally HIE was known for cutting through hazy scenes.

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I've got some Konica750 thawing out now, but I'll wait 'til I see some sunlight.

[Andrew O'Neill]

I used to use Konica a lot in Japan. Nice film and was sad to see it go.

[Andrew O'Neill]

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/631/23017593794_af8d82ba50_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/B4ZbHq)Chair (https://flic.kr/p/B4ZbHq) by Andrew O&#x27;Neill (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62974341@N02/), on Flickr

Old wooden chair up against wood panels. Abandoned farm house in Japan. One of the few times I used the 87C opaque filter on Kodak HIE. I always had issues with focusing with this filter. I remember I shot this at an EI of 1.5. f/16 and a very long exposure after reciprocity effect applied. When making the print, a wee bit is cropped off the left side.

[bgh]

I haven't been on the forum in quite a while, and it has been a treat to rummage through these threads and see so many fantastic images. They've reminded me of a few things that I've done over the past year or so. Here's one from the Inner Harbor here in Syracuse, with the towers of Assumption Church in the background.

4x5, Shen Hao
150mm Fujinon
Rollei IR 400, Hoya R72 filter

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[John Olsen]

I'm glad you posted this, as I'm tempted to shoot my precious Rollei IR, Konica750 and HEI on overcast days - we get a lot of them!
But, water vapor is a strong absorber of infrared in the band that Rollei can see, up to 720 nm. Looking at the spectrum below you'll see that if you were shooting Kodak HEI (and maybe Efke) you'd be just beyond the water vapor band. That's why traditionally HIE was known for cutting through hazy scenes.

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I've got some Konica750 thawing out now, but I'll wait 'til I see some sunlight.

I found a better absorption plot for your cloudy day infrared shooting. It's from whatsupwiththat.com, along with other good stuff.
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Our infrared photography is right at the spot for absorption by several molecules, the rightsided red line in this graph. I hadn't thought about the methane band before: another good reason not to shoot near pig farms!

[Gary Beasley]

I have shot Konica on days with heavy overcast and was surprised and pleased when unseen textures in the clouds showed up on the film. That absorption can work in your favor sometimes.

[Andrew O'Neill]

Carbon transfer print. Good to be back making them. I took a few months off to explore gum and oil prints. Taken with my telephone...probably should have scanned it in.

[John Olsen]

I have shot Konica on days with heavy overcast and was surprised and pleased when unseen textures in the clouds showed up on the film. That absorption can work in your favor sometimes.

That's an interesting insight. I'll break my own rules and try it too.

[plaubel]

Just an around the house-shot, Rollei IR, Shen Hao 4x5", Lithprint 12x16":

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[SMBooth]

Carbon transfer print. Good to be back making them. I took a few months off to explore gum and oil prints. Taken with my telephone...probably should have scanned it in.

Looks nice, IR film i assume.

[Andrew O'Neill]

Yes, SMBooth. You assume correctly. I shot it on Kodak 4x5 HIE, with a #25 Wratten filter.

[Andrew O'Neill]

I already posted this one in the church thread, but since this is IR.... 4x5 Rollei IR. Pyrocat-HD. Abandoned church in Shulus, British Columbia, Canada.


https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1550/24656171645_b4986016e9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DyMjPF)Condemned Church (https://flic.kr/p/DyMjPF) by Andrew O&#x27;Neill (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62974341@N02/), on Flickr

[Maris Rusis]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1684/25105322122_0927d1b4b4_c.jpg
Autumn, Lake Jindabyne, Infrared

Gelatin-silver photograph on Ultrafine Silver Eagle VC FB photographic paper, image size 24.4cm X 19.6 cm, from a 8x10 Efke IR820 negative exposed in a Tachihara 810HD triple extension field view camera fitted with the rear half of a Nikkor-W 210mm f5.6 lens delivering a focal length of approximately 700mm lens and capped by a IR720 filter. Signed, titled, and stamped verso.

[Bill Christian]

http://largesense.com/files/1814/5697/2967/160225_Blossoming-Ttree-Saratoga-Library_800.jpg (http://largesense.com/files/5614/5697/2814/160225_Blossoming-Ttree-Saratoga-Library.jpg)

Camera: LS911-3a Pre Production Camera
www.largesense.com (http://largesense.com/index.php?cID=265)
Large format digital camera (single shot sensor, size bigger than 8x10 inch)
Fujinon SF lens 1:5.6 / 250 mm
Infra Red 950 pass filter
February 25, 2015
Heritage Orchard by the Saratoga City Library
Saratoga, CA, USA
37° 16' 8.40" N, 122° 0' 57.60" W

[Corran]

First time I've shot infrared in a long time, and my first try using it in 8x10. A long time ago I bought a box because it was available and just stuck it in my fridge, as I wasn't sure what to do with it.

Wanted to make sure it worked and that my camera's bellows were IR light-tight, so I shot a couple sheets over the weekend.

Wehman 8x10, Fujinar 250mm f/4.7 + Marumi IR700 filter, Efke IR820 AURA, 8-minute exposure:

http://www.oceanstarproductions.com/photosharing/aura810-1.jpg

[FredrickSummers]

https://photos.smugmug.com/Galleries/Infrared/i-LM9rrbd/0/XL/Ocrecoke%20IR-XL.jpg (http://www.summersmountainphoto.com/Galleries/Infrared/i-LM9rrbd/A)
Horseman 45HD / Fujinon 210-W / Hoya / Efkie IR820 / Rodinal 50:1

[Maris Rusis]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8012/7539375960_f29d51cf69_b.jpg
Deep Forest, number 3

Gelatin-silver photograph on Freestyle Private reserve VC FB photographic paper, image size 19.5cm X 24.5cm, from an 8x10 Efke IR820 negative exposed in a Tachihara 810HD triple extension field view camera fitted with a Schneider Super Angulon 121mm f8 lens and an IR680 filter. Exposure was 15minutes at f22 reflecting the extremely slow EI = 0.15 characteristic of this batch of film.

[Shailendra]

San Jose Palm Havens
Chamonix 4x5
Rodenstock 65mm at f/22 1"
Hoya IR72 filter
Rollei Infrared 400 film
https://c2.staticflickr.com/1/572/31853034721_55328ac84d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/QwK8tP)
San Jose Palm Havens (https://flic.kr/p/QwK8tP) by Shailendra Dhanoa (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jattitude/), on Flickr

[Maris Rusis]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7272/7829431122_6754a73d8b_b.jpg
Noosa Sound from the Woods
Gelatin-silver photograph on Freestyle Private Reserve VC FB photographic paper, image size 24.5cm X 19.6cm, from an Efke IR820 infrared 8x10 negative exposed in a Tachihara 810HD triple extension field view camera fitted witha Schneider Super Angulon 121mm f8 lens and IR680 filter.
The little seat affords a contemplative vantage point of the harbour, the distant landscape, and passing clouds.

[andreios]

That is a beautiful image, Maris!


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[Maris Rusis]

Thanks andreios. Here's another infrared but this one was taken a long way above sea level:


https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8055/8101491953_33e016f2a5_b.jpg
Snow Gum Grove Infrared

Gelatin-silver photograph on Freestyle Private Reserve VC FB photographic paper, image size 16.3cm X 21.3cm, from an Efke IR820 4x5 negative exposed in a Tachihara 45GF double extension field view camera
fitted with a Nikkor-W 210mm f5.6 lens and a IR680 filter.

[scm]

http://www.stevemidgleyphotography.com/Scan-140301-0001xx.JPG
RB67 - Konica 750

[Jim Jones]

SCM -- Very nice. It's good to see an IR image that is good photography rather than a picture that screams "IR".

[scm]

SCM -- Very nice. It's good to see an IR image that is good photography rather than a picture that screams "IR".

Thanks, jim, I appreciate the kind words!

[Shailendra]

Altamont Pass near Livermore this Saturday
4x5 Chamonix
Rollei Infrared 400 Hoya IR72
Rodinal 1+100
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/742/32581967982_bcb1fae53b_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RDa6WE)
Altamont Pass (https://flic.kr/p/RDa6WE) by Shailendra Dhanoa (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jattitude/), on Flickr

[Shailendra]

Yosemite Valley
4x5 Chamonix
Rollei Infrared 400 Hoya IR72
Rodinal 1+100
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3688/32460560730_9449457e2d_c.jpg
(https://flic.kr/p/RsqRNb)Yosemite (https://flic.kr/p/RsqRNb) by Shailendra Dhanoa (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jattitude/), on Flickr