Screen Cezanne Users Unite

[Corran]

As stated that's a great price, fabulous even. You will likely need to do some work inside the scanner and get it cleaned up. Buying fresh bulbs will set you back some money but it's worth it, unless you want to hack it like coisasdavida did. The Cezanne is light-years beyond an Epson.

[bbarna]

Thank you for the replies.

[Peter De Smidt]

Make sure to remove the wing and lock the carriage down when the scanner is moved.

[coisasdavida]

I got myself another two Cezannes last weekend.
Now I have three backups.
These two came with a lot of extra bulbs and I believe 4 are in closed boxes.
I'm not using original bulbs anymore, If anyone needs them let me know.

[coisasdavida]

I'm sorry I didn't get back to anybody on the bulbs. After reading a post by Jim Andrada about the quality of the glass on the bed if his iQsmart I was reminded that I kept my Smart 340 bed when I got rid of the scanner. I checked and it kind of fits inside the Cezanne, so I'm thinking of setting one up with this bed and give it a try, so I'll keep the bulbs for a while and see where this goes.

[kshaub103]

For my Power Mac G5 2.3 with pci-x what would the recommended 50pin scsi card be? It's for the cezanne 5000.

[Peter De Smidt]

Check the read me files on the Cezanne updates. They recommend specific cards.

[coisasdavida]

I had considered using a G5 as well and I have looked thru the readme files, but I never found any recommendation. My dual G5 has PCIe slots only.

The other problem would be OS, G5s run either 10.4 or 10.5.
Color Genius v2 runs in either 10.3 with PCI cards or 10.6 with the Ratoc. (Am I mistaken here?)

Is running CG v2 with 10.4 OK? do others do it? I'm still in 10.3.9

If you search the web, there a few people that say this card works with other scanners: ATTO ExpressPCI UL5D LP SCSI card
but nothing Cezanne specific

[coisasdavida]

As I was setting up my second Cezanne I started having a bunch of kernel panics.
Maybe I'm speaking too soon, but removing all adaptec kexts with the exception of the 290x-2930 kext made my adptec 2906 card work.
http://ask.microsemi.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3887/~/does-macintosh-os-x-have-built-in-drivers-for-adaptec-scsi-cards%3F

[kshaub103]

https://m.ebay.com/itm/262874519250?_mwBanner=1 Just pick up this scsi card. I know I need a 50pin cable and that it can't be too long but what is the name of this cable. Want to make sure I get the cable with proper connections.

[kshaub103]

Adaptec ASC-29160 is the 68pin which is what I received. Does anyone have experience using this card. I understand that screen support Adaptec ASC-29160n which is the 50pin I'm curious if I can use a 68pin to 50 pin adapter. Adaptec is using the same drive for both cards.

[kshaub103]

Any one want to share a manual for the s5000?

[Corran]

So I have been looking for a 29160N for a second G4 for a while. I ended up finding a 29160 which from my research is the 64-bit version, or something to that effect. I bought it and tried it out with my Cezanne, assuming it would be backwards compatible to 32-bit...and it doesn't work. It detects the scanner and everything seems to connect but then it won't preview and errors out. So I would possibly avoid that one. And if you see a 32-bit N model...I need it! :)

The sucky thing is a 32-bit model came up on eBay while I waited for the 64-bit one I bought to arrive. By the time I figured out it wouldn't work it got sold :(.

Be careful, the one in my G4 is a model ADP, not ASC. I believe, but am not 100% sure, that the ASC model is for PC and the ADP is for MAC. Mine has a sticker that says MAC on it. Many of the ASC ones I've seen say DELL.

[coisasdavida]

So I have been looking for a 29160N for a second G4 for a while. I ended up finding a 29160 which from my research is the 64-bit version, or something to that effect. I bought it and tried it out with my Cezanne, assuming it would be backwards compatible to 32-bit...and it doesn't work. It detects the scanner and everything seems to connect but then it won't preview and errors out.

Did you delete the Adaptec 78xx Kext?

[Corran]

Hi Guilherme - thanks for the suggestion. I just Googled it and discovered how to do that. It unfortunately did not help.

I took another look at the error message - perhaps someone can give me a hand. What I did was mirror my old identical G4's harddrive onto a fresh drive for this computer. Everything works more or less - I of course start the Server program, and connect in ColorGenius. When I click Preview as normal, it gives me this error message - "error in user parameter list." I thought it was just a setting in CG but everything is set as I normally have it.

When I start up the Maintenance program, it immediately gives me the error "LoadDriver Error occurred - Number 43 unknown." Hence my assumption that there is a problem with the SCSI card compatibility.

[coisasdavida]

Hence my assumption that there is a problem with the SCSI card compatibility.

If you ran Maintenance app, I assume OS9, so two things to check:

In the System Profiler, check the Deviced tab is Cezanne is there and/or if the SCSI card is there as a SCSI card

[Corran]

I am using OSX, and Color Genius 2. The Maintenance, or maybe it's called Maintainer app is the one from Screen that runs diagnostics on the scanner.

Under the Devices information it does register the SCSI card and the Screen scanner. The Server app runs fine and "connects" to the scanner. Not sure where the issue is between the Server and actual CG2 software.

[coisasdavida]

The Maintainer will only run in OS9, at least on my CD which is CG 2.0.7
Server and CG2 run on OSX.

Did you try trashing your CG preferences?

[Corran]

Weird, the Maintainer application works on my other G4, also OSX and CG2. I will try once again fooling with the settings - but I'm fairly sure I've reset all of the preferences multiple times. I don't know what it means by "user parameter list" though.

[kshaub103]

Getting an error 1003 any ideas?

[coisasdavida]

kshaub103,
both hardware manuals I have are only in print.
I do have to CDs --> demo and start-up
They both run in OS9, but the videos are mov files without audio.
I got them in a folder and here they are:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/45d0t5i65n2dwig/CezanneVideos.zip?dl=0

[coisasdavida]

Error 1003 = Scanner Not Found

[coisasdavida]

kshaub103,
I found the pdfs I made a few years ago to help someone here and also the ones in german Christian mentions a few pages back.
Put them all on a zip file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/81msz732gxyiuln/FT-S5000-manuals.zip?dl=0

[kshaub103]

Can not get my s5000 to conect to my g5. I have the proper card I have installed color genius and install scsi card drivers. I’m at a lose with this project. I am not sure where to start trouble shooting.

[Peter De Smidt]

What OS are you running?

[kshaub103]

10.4

[Peter De Smidt]

And you’ve done the firmware updates?

[kshaub103]

No I havnt tried that. are u reference the updates from screen? I can’t even see the scanner in system profile. I have tried to uninstall color genius but still am not getting anywhere.

[Peter De Smidt]

I don’t remember the particulars, but the firmware must be upgraded for the specific version of os. See the screen readme files. You might have to do the updating in os 9, and you might have to go step by step.

[kshaub103]

Thanks I will keep reading. It’s just strange that I can’t even see it in utilities systems profile.

[Votesh]

Hello to everyone that's still participating here. I purchased the Screen Cezanne Elite i that was in the Chicago area and listed on craigslist and ebay earlier this year. After a trip across the country and months in storage I finally got it up and running last month. I opened it up and cleaned everything, including the very dirty mirror, and I just got around to reopening it to oil the rails the camera travels on, as there seemed to be some sticking. It came with a Power Mac G4 running OS X 10.2.8, and the ColorGenius 2 software. I cloned the HDD(3 times) in case the current one gives up the ghost, so I should be able to keep operating it as long as the scanner itself is operable. I'm also lucky enough to have CDs with ColorGenius 1 and 2, with registration codes still intact.

Thanks to all of the great info here I was able to get right to scanning, and was shocked at how great the quality of the scans seemed to be at first glance. I have primarily scanned 4x5 positives, as that is what I've mostly been shooting lately. I use an OEM optical glass platen for wet mounting and scanning, and do 2 roughly 2 inch strips at a resolution of 4000. I use Aztek wet mounting supplies, and put a homemade black plastic mask around the film, on top of the mylar, to prevent blooming. I always scan with the empty right side box in the scanning menu, and always scan in 16bit positive, to get files as close to untouched by the scanning software as possible.

Upon closer inspection of the scans I've noticed some issues. The main issue is that many of the 30 or so scans I've done have light(er) streaks that occur parallel to the direction of motion(i.e. they are parallel to the longer dimension of the bed), in dark portions of the scans. I had been mounting the slides in the middle of the bed, and it appears the white calibration strip has some minor scratching in the middle, so I assume this was the cause of at least the worst of the streaks. Some preliminary test scans seem to bear that out. I cleaned the mirror again last night, and did a scan from the side of the platen, which seems to have mostly solved the problem for now. It's kind of disconcerting though, and I'm interested in finding a means of returning the full bed to a usable condition. The scanner came with an extra, old calibration strip covered with blemishes, and I'd like to refurbish it if possible. I'm considering just sanding down the old strip, and reapplying some new white paint as uniformly as possible. I imagine that any matte white paint with consistent color would be fine, but since there are many more knowledgable folks than myself here I wanted to see if there were any ideas of how to best go about it. Has anybody attempted this already? Any ideas of how I should go about the whole process? Any paint recommendations? Should I try to match the shade of white as closely as possible, or will a slightly different shade of white just require color correction in post?

My next issue is occasional disparities in the color/exposure between the 2 strips from the same 4x5 frame of film. I always let the bulb warm up for well over 30 minutes, but have still had problems with inconsistencies. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, did you solve it? How?

My last problem at the moment is the computer going unresponsive in the middle of long scans, and having to shut it down by holding the power button while the scanning is stalled. If one of the strips has already completed scanning, it will be saved on the HDD when I restart the computer, but the strip that the stall occurred during will be lost, understandably. I assume this is just a sign that I need to to get an updated computer, but if there is another method of preventing the problem I would love to know. My current tower is the Power Mac G4 with a 533mhz processor, Ram maxed to 1.5 gb, a 40gb HDD that I use as the boot drive, and a 160gb HDD that the scans get saved to. The G4 can only recognize up to 128gb on a HDD, and I've partitioned this 128gb into a 40gb partition which contains one of the previously mentioned bootable clones, with the remaining portion in a single partition for storage. Should I try an SSD? Seems like it would be more stable, and perhaps allow for faster saves, but I wonder if this would have any appreciable impact on the actual speed or reliability of scanning/saving on such an old machine. I'm currently looking around for a pre PCI-x/PCI-e G5 to use instead, since I could easily move the PCI SCSI card from the G4, but will have to wait until I get some more expendable cash. Any ideas or recommendations would be great.

My last question is about support from Screen. I haven't attempted to contact them for any reason, but does anyone know if there is any support remaining for the Cezanne? I remember reading that the legal obligation to support it ended in August of 2016, but has anyone contacted them since? I am mostly interested in potentially acquiring a new calibration strip, and perhaps some new bulbs. The bulb I am currently using is one of 2 that was installed for reflective scans, which I removed during my first cleaning of the scanner. I also have the other reflective bulb that was installed upon purchase, and a still in the package new bulb that came with the scanner. If I can get the scanner operating at an acceptable quality level, without the problems I've previously experienced, I would love to get at least a couple more bulbs so I can insure that I can continue using the scanner until it experiences some non-repairable fatal problem.

Anyway, thanks for all of the info already in the thread, and thanks in advance for any help!

[Corran]

Regarding your computer freezing - mine does that too intermittently. Maybe once every 50-100 scans. Sometimes it happens more often, frustratingly. I assumed it was just a bug or panic that happened and I just force restart and try again...that always fixes it. It usually happens when I've been working for a while so another thought is some sort of memory problem after lots of scans. Could be wrong.

With the slight mismatch in scans for stitching, I have only seen that when the bulbs are starting to go bad. This happens even before the "warning" hits telling you the bulb is low. I personally think the Cezanne bulbs have a short "optimal" life, and then they work fine for quite a while afterwards but with maybe a slight decrease in DMax. I notice the bulbs are definitely hitting their limit when the finished scans are noticeably darker than the initial preview scan. This is only really problematic with dense slides and overexposed color negatives, but knowing this I generally get the preview to have "lifted" shadows and then the scan looks fine after some quick contrast edits.

I'll be interested to hear what others tell you about the reflective strip. Mine looks great but I still get orange banding in the blue skies of C-41 film - my biggest and only gripe about the scanner.

As for support - most of their team in my experience hardly know what the Cezanne scanner series is/was. They are nice folks though. I haven't called them recently to try to order bulbs after buying as much as I could afford last year, so not sure about their current availability.

[Votesh]

Thanks for the reply!

I figured the freezing might just be something that happens. Unfortunately it occurs about 10% of the time for me, sometimes on the first scan of the day. I did notice a distinct reduction in the rate of freezes by replacing the computer's old, failing storage HDD, and always saving to the drive that the computer isn't booted from, in case anyone else has the same problem in the future.

Old bulbs causing the mismatch issue is a bit worrying. It doesn't occur frequently for me yet, so hopefully the bulbs I removed from the reflective fixtures still have a little more usable life in them, and maybe just need some extra warmup time. Are you the one that purchase the bulbs from the 3rd party middleman(in KY I believe)? If so, do you still have their contact info available?

Since I've got the extra calibration strip I'll definitely have a go at making it usable again one way or another, and report back. After checking it out more closely, it seems like just removing the glued on white strip, and replacing it with a strip of opaque white plastic sheeting would be the best option. Now to find a suitable material. The texture is a lot like the material used on the lids of reflective flatbed scanners to hold materials flat, generally backed with foam. These are removable on the Epson V700-850, and the replacement "document mats" are reasonably priced on amazon, so I'll probably try that first. It would make for a fairly cheap and easy replacement method, though removing the foam backing could be a pain.

Thanks again for all of the info.

[Corran]

I always save directly to a compact flash card so I can transfer the files to my normal computer - so perhaps that is the fix, to save to a non-OS drive.

I did buy my first set of replacement bulbs from a 3rd party but I can not find the info in my emails. I did a "group buy" last year after getting on Screen's dealer list and provided some bulbs to other users at cost, and bought a bunch for myself. Again, I'm not sure if they even have any bulbs anymore after ceasing support for the scanner, but if in the future there was enough interested people and the details could be worked out I would consider doing it again. I had someone approach me about bulbs earlier this year but it was impossible to do one set cheaply, especially as they were outside the USA. The shipping on these (safely) is not cheap and truth be told I lost money last time trying to do it at "cost."

Anyway, if it's not mismatching often perhaps it's just a fluke. By the way, one thing I found was that you should absolutely not change the "frame size" of the scan between the two strip scans. If you change the size of the scan (especially perpendicular to the bed where the lens would then need to refocus the scan) the images don't line up perfectly and I have also seen slight differences in rendering like you mention. I just make sure to drag the frame around the preview window to select each strip and do not make additional, overlapping frames.

[Votesh]

That could very well be the issue. I'll give some other methods of saving the files a try.

I'll look back through the thread and try and find the info for the 3rd party supplier. If anyone else is interested in a group buy in the future I'd add my name to the list, but I wouldn't expect you to do it if meant you losing money. At least there's always the possibility of switching out the fixtures and using different bulbs, as detailed earlier in the thread.

That makes a ton of sense! So far I've been doing it exactly the way you advise against, so I'll try just moving the frame around on the photo I'm currently scanning, to see if it improves my results.

Thanks for all of the help!

[Votesh]

I just looked through all of the literature that came with my scanner, and realized I have a treasure trove of information that seems to not be available anywhere online, including startup manuals for the FT-S5500 and FT-S5000, a hardware manual for the FT-S5500, a users manual for ColorGenius 2.0, and perhaps a few other things. The Screen is my only scanner, so I won't be able to digitize any of it until I get ahold of a more appropriate scanner for the task. When I do, I will upload it and put it somewhere online. In the meantime, if anyone has any pressing questions they think the manuals I've listed may answer, feel free to ask.

[Votesh]

Also, it came with what may be intended as replacement material for the white strip on the "white reference unit", or what I've been calling the calibration strip. I'll see if that is indeed what it is. If so, I should have some excess material left over that I could send out to people with white reference units in bad shape.

[coisasdavida]

I fixed a strip of Kodak Endura and used double sided tape to make a new cal strip for my first Cezanne. It worked very well.

A few posts back I mentioned the Adaptec 78xx kext that can be removed (using Safe Boot in OSX 10.2.8). The only time I got freezing issues with one of my Cezannes, that solved it permanently. Sorry if you already did this and I'm repeating myself.

[Peter De Smidt]

This winter I'm going to replace my Cezanne's fluorescent bulbs with an LED diy system. The plan is to make something that will just drop in and replace what's there without wrecking the current system, possibly using these: https://www.yujiintl.com/packages/display/?led_package=VTC-2835 They ought to give a more even spectrum than the original bulbs, they'll make less heat, and they'll have the potential to be brighter. The plan is to run them at less than 50% of max current, and so they should be very long lasting. I'll test whether the ability to change light intensity has any uses. I'm open to suggestions.

[Corran]

Peter, I don't have anything to input except I'm interested to see what you come up with.

[Patrick Daniel]

Hi all,

First of all I would like to say that I'm so happy with all the information you're providing and with this thread in general. Thank you! Though I haven't been active before, you've been of incredible value to me and getting my Screen Cézanne up and running.

I mostly photograph 35mm and MF B/W and I'm using the Cézanne to scan my photos and print them at about 1m in size for exhibitions. Which is possible thanks to the extreme quality of the scans which are bitingly sharp!

However, lately I've been noticing that my scans are not that sharp anymore! I used to scan at 5300 dpi for 35mm, which produced great results but nowadays I have to scale back to about 4000 dpi to get the same result I used to have.
I have cleaned the mirror, cleaned the scanning bed, reset everything to default values, but nothing seems to help.

Now I can stay at 4000 dpi and be happy with the quality I have but I'm afraid that the quality will go down more. Moreover, since I'm printing large, I want to squeeze out as much resolution that I can.
Would you have any suggestions on what could be the cause? I'm always using the same film (Kodak Tri-X) pushed to 1600 and using HC-110 to develop.

Thanks so much in advance for any advice that you're able to give.

[Peter De Smidt]

Hi Patrick,

In the screen server utility, you know the one that goes "Scan started....Scan finished normally", are there any autofocus warnings? I've built a couple of my own carriers. Occasionally, when I didn't get the height right, I'd get soft scans. Looking at the server report, there was a line amounting to "unable to autofocus".

[Patrick Daniel]

Hi Peter,

Thanks for replying!
No, I don't get any warnings. It just says scan finished normally.
I've thought about the autofocus as well, but it does work when I set the resolution lower. It seems as if it's interpolating.

This is a part of a scan at 5300 DPI172446 and here it is at 4000 DPI 172447

[Peter De Smidt]

What holder/system are you using? The clamshell holders, a hold down plate on the standard bed, wet-mounting...?

[Patrick Daniel]

Hi Peter,

Mostly I'm using the standard bed with the big hold down plate that was supplied with it (the big one with the handles) as that allows me to load a whole roll of film in one go.
I've tried using the clamshell holders as well and also the smaller hold down plate with the 35 mm template, but all with the same result.

Weird thing is that it used to work, but now it doesn't anymore while I haven't changed anything in my setup. Is there a possibility that the bulbs are wearing out?
I know it sounds silly, but I think I've tried everything else.

[Peter De Smidt]

Hi Patrick, yes, that's a possibility, and I agree with you that the situation is strange.

You're certain that in-scanner sharpening was turned off for all scans?

[Patrick Daniel]

Hi Peter,

Yes I'm pretty confident about that unless there is an option that I have overlooked. Normally I always check that sharpening has been turned off. I have replaced the bulbs (I took the ones out for reflective when I bought it so thankfully I have something to swap out) and that at least gave some improvement in the sense that there is a bigger difference between minimum and maximum density.

With my new scan at 5300, it's still not as sharp as it used to be, but I can see that some parts are sharper than others. Which is starting to confirm my earlier suspicion that negatives placed in the middle were sharper than the ones at the sides. I've had this since I bought it
There are some scratches on the scanning bed as well which always worried me a bit. I suspect that they and maybe contamination of the scanning bed are causing the unsharpness. I'll try cleaning it and see if that improves anything.

Out of curiosity, what have you used for your scanning bed? Optical glass? I can get museum glass but I don't know if that's good enough?

[Patrick Daniel]

Ok, so I've cleaned the bed thoroughly and triple checked that it was absolutely spotless. It's really crystal clear now!
I've done three passes, at 4000 spi, 5300 spi and at 6000 spi, since I read that you do that as well for 35mm.

Here are the results: 4000 spi172486 5300 spi172487 and at 6000 spi172488

I have done nothing to the files and had sharpening turned off for all of them. Out of these three 4000 seems to be the sharpest by far. are the results I'm getting at 5300 and 6000 normal?
I've also been thinking that the steel bars on which the mechanism slides maybe need re-lubrication?

[Peter De Smidt]

I either wet-mount to the standard bed, or I wet-mount to a glass carrier tray from an Agfa T2500. I built a carrier that the tray sits in. If you go with smooth glass, you'll probably get Newton's rings. The interaction between grain and any system seems complex. Do the results apply to different film, density ranges.......? You're on the right track. Test for yourself. I doubt that lubricating the rails will help this issue. If you do, use a light machine oil, put a tiny bit on a lintless cloth, and rub up and down the rails a few times. Too much oil would be a bad thing.

[Corran]

IMO what you are seeing is grain, grain aliasing, and the difference between smooth and sharper grain. The difference is minimal though. Any change in the bounding box, resolution, or location of the negative could also change things slightly.

[Patrick Daniel]

Sorry, I've had a monstrous week but I'm finally able to reply. Thanks for your input! I always use the same film: Kodak Tri-X, pushed to 1600 and developed in HC-110. The grain is very familiar to me and is what I like.

As for scanning, I used to have super sharp results, but they're not anymore unless I scan at a lower resolution. This also applies to photos that I scanned before at 5300spi and now have to scan at 4000spi to get sharp results.

Furthermore, the examples I attached are from the same photo and scanned in the same session, only changing the scanning resolution, so I didn't change the selection area, I didn't move it and I kept the scanner lid closed.

And I may be nagging, but the difference in sharpness between the scans is very apparent in my opinion. I used to have much sharper results before so I don't understand why this is happening.

I can try wet-mounting, I have Mylar sheets and mounting liquid that I got with the scanner but haven't used that up to now because the results were so sharp already when I dry-mounted.

[Corran]

I read through your description again and I am wondering, how long was it between when you last used the scanner and now? It almost sounded to me like you might have had the scanner "stored" for a while, but maybe I am reading it wrong.

The first thing I would do is open up the scanner and thoroughly clean the mirror, lens, and maybe rails. I use Pec Pads and Eclipse fluid for that. As Peter mentioned, if the scanner is making bad noises while resetting from a scan you might also want to clean and lube the rails.

I notice in your examples above that the 'color' of the scan varies between resolutions. To me that also indicates bulb issues. I know you replaced the bulbs with the reflective ones but they were still "used" so perhaps they aren't fresh either and need replacing with brand-new bulbs?

[Peter De Smidt]

I agree with Bryan. I suspect a bulb issue. Unfortunately, that's a pretty expensive thing to do, especially as there is no guarantee that it's the problem.

[Patrick Daniel]

Hi Bryan, Peter, thanks for replying so quickly! I am in contact with Screen here in the Netherlands and their distributor to order lamps.
As you said, they're expensive but regardless of whether that's the issue I will need to replace them at some point. Unfortunately this will probably cost me about 400 dollar!
But I'm suspecting the lamps as well. I also saw the difference in color.
I have opened up the unit and cleaned the mirror and that did give an improvement, but that was prior to me reaching out on the forum. I also cleaned the scanning bed as well. So the scans you're seeing is with a cleaned mirror.

I don't know what bad noises would be. It doesn't sound different than when I just bought it but it does make sounds. I don't know whether it should be relatively quiet apart from the fan noise?
I will call the distributor again tomorrow to see if they already have a quote for me.

[coisasdavida]

In post #793 there is a big difference between the two images, as if 5300 is out-of-focus. In #798 not so much.
My guess is since @4000 it works and as it gets closer to make the 5300 scan, it is something to do with the rails on top of which the lens sits or the iris not allowing for perfect focus.
Maybe the motor controlling the iris is not opening enough to allow for proper AF. Maybe there is something sticky upwards on the rail near the mirror.
I would clean and lubricate the rails for the lens and CCD and also the gears between the iris motor and its arm.

[Patrick Daniel]

Thanks coisasdavida! I'll be sure to check the rails again and see if there's anything sticky. Do you have any recommendations for lubricating the rails?

@everybody, I contacted Screen Europe and they were extremely helpful. They sent me the service manual. I don't know if you already have it, but if you want it just let me know and I can upload it or make it available through WeTransfer.

They indicated that it's been 5 years or so that they've done maintenance on a Cézanne. So they don't have all the knowledge anymore, but they would try and see if an engineer's available to help me. They will also look and see if they have calibration glasses to perform the calibrations on the scanner.

[Peter De Smidt]

A very small amount of a light machine oil, such as oil for sewing machines.

[coisasdavida]

Exactly what I use.


A very small amount of a light machine oil, such as oil for sewing machines.

One other thing that could affect AF performance is the firmware. What about a firmware update?

[Patrick Daniel]

I'm running the latest firmware that is available for the original Cézanne. I'm actually running it on a mac pro 2.1 with an ATTO UL5D and OSX 10.6.8. I actually thought about downgrading to see if that would help.

[Patrick Daniel]

Peter, what would you use for the vertical rails? So what I mean is the shorter, single rail

It seems that my rails have lubricated before. There are some remnants of a thicker grease along with thinner grease on the vertical rails. I have cleaned and lubricated the rails with fine mechanics oil but to no avail. It really seems to be out pf focus and if I scan more towards the sides of the scanning bed, the whole scan looks like it was juddering while scanning (alongside the vertical rails). I'll post a screenshot of that tomorrow.

[Corran]

Is your scanner on a heavy, solid table?

[Clickwrr]

I would be happy for a copy of the manual. Thanks



Thanks coisasdavida! I'll be sure to check the rails again and see if there's anything sticky. Do you have any recommendations for lubricating the rails?

@everybody, I contacted Screen Europe and they were extremely helpful. They sent me the service manual. I don't know if you already have it, but if you want it just let me know and I can upload it or make it available through WeTransfer.

They indicated that it's been 5 years or so that they've done maintenance on a Cézanne. So they don't have all the knowledge anymore, but they would try and see if an engineer's available to help me. They will also look and see if they have calibration glasses to perform the calibrations on the scanner.

[Patrick Daniel]

@Corran, yes I've placed it on a solid table with a thick steel frame and legs.

[Patrick Daniel]

@Clickwrr: Sure! This is the link: https://we.tl/w5SmdGzsdR

Since Screen doesn't sell or officially services the Cézanne anymore, I guess they were OK to send me the service manual.

[Patrick Daniel]

Ok, so I've done several tests and it seems that towards the sides of the scanning bed, the quality deteriorates. Now I don't know the exact setup for the optical unit, but it seems every time that the quality in the middle is ok-ish, but deteriorates towards the sides. as if it judders as it moves.
I think that the quality at 4000spi is till ok, because it can scan it without moving the optical unit (for 35mm), but as soo as you up to 5300spi for example, it needs to make small movements which deteriorates the quality of the scan.

What I've done is the following: I took 3 filmstrips, placed one along the short side and 2 extra along the long side of the scanning bed to cover as much of the width as possible. I know this is not the way to scan, but it would allow me to force the scanner to along the complete width and see what it does. I then repeated that at a higher resolution and did it in two passes.

Complete width: 172772 Lower half (close to the front of the scanner): 172773 upper half (close to the hinges): 172774

[Patrick Daniel]

Then I took one film strip and scanned it separately Along the long side on the outer edges of the scanning bed, so close to the front of the scanner and the back, close to the hinges and finally in the middle

Front of the scanner: 172776 back of the scanner: 172777 and the middle: 172778

[coisasdavida]

By the way, is it public wisdom that there is a german operation manual for Color Genius as well as the Cezanne hardware freely available as PDF under http://www.screen-dsd.de/fileadmin/Daten_Dainippon/pdf/ ? The german Color Genius manual is especially interesting as it appears not to be an 1:1 transtation but rather an interpretation written by an experienced user.

Patrick, maybe you can find a clue here:, back in 2013 Christian point us to this link. This is a dead link now, but I downloaded the files and kept them.
I used this manual to setup my Cezanne here. Google Translator may be of assistance. Good luck!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g0dfe771z5xabys/CG_German_Manuals.zip?dl=0

[kshaub103]

Any ideas what error (1102) ft-5000 scanner initialization error: Left cover is open.? Left over is installed so I’m not too sure what’s going on. Maybe a sensor I’m overlooking not to sure tho.

[Patrick Daniel]

Thanks Coisasdavida! It is indeed different from the manuals I have. It has not resolved my issue, but it sure does provide a lot of information.
I've ben in contact with the distributor here in the Netherlands and got to speak to a technical engineer and sent him the scans I made. Unfortunately he wasn't able to help me as the person with the knowledge about the Screen didn't work there anymore. He only could avise me to clean the rails with WD-40.

So my hope is now with Screen Europe and the person I got to talk to, to provide more information and hopefully a resolution and parts.

In the meantime, I scanned a filmstrip again yesterday towars the back of the scanner and it's not so blurry anymore.
This leads me to think that it indeed is due to the rails and their lubrication. Given the fact that I lubricated the rails the day before yesterday.

I'll ask Screen what they recommend for the lubrication of the rails. In the scanner there seem to be two types of sliders: the plastic (nylon?) pads and the metal holders.
Each axis (x and y) has both types. The plastic pads have a thicker grease to slide on and the metal holders have oil.

[Peter De Smidt]

If you look back through this thread, a former Screen scanner tech posted. You might try contacting him.

[Patrick Daniel]

kshaub103, the service manual says this about your error:

1102 Scanner initialization error: Left cover is open.
Remedy: Close the left cover and reset the scanner

Are you sure it's closed and properly in place? otherwise take a look in the service manual. There is a lock switch for the cover. If it doesn't make contact or if it's not engaged when the cover is closed, it will give this error.

Hope this helps.

[Patrick Daniel]

Thanks Peter! I'll try to contact him

[Clickwrr]

Thanks Patrick, appreciated

[TC542]

Hi Patrick . . Sorry for the late reply . . . It is interesting that you say that the image is clearer towards the middle of the tray . . i.e. different at the edges.
One of the things that happens is that the white bearings around the lamp housing are called the 'A' and 'B' bearings . . . (from memory . . )
If these are not checked/corrected the tray can kind of 'topple as it goes from left to right.
An easy check is to watch the white bearing, about half way along the tray, as the tray moves this bearing should be rotating until about 100mm from the end onf travel. . . Equally on its return, it should start rotating at about the same area. (A permanent pen mark on the white bearing makes it easy to detect.
If this is a problem, let meknow and I will try and post an adjustment procedure . . . ;-)
Regards, Tony

[TC542]

. . . following on . . .There are only 11 actual resolutions that do not get interpolated . . . !!
But this is not relative to your problem, as you have been working fine before . . . ;-)
BR, Tony

[Patrick Daniel]

Hi Tony no worries, thanks so much for replying!

What I mean with that the image seems to be clearer towards the middle, is width-wise. where I place it length-wise doesn't make a difference.
So if I place a strip of film at the back of the scanner or at the front, the image is more blurry and jagged than when I place it in the middle. I have uploaded some images to show what I'm seeing on the previous pages.

Regardless of placement, scans on higher resolutions are blurred, but the issue is getting worse and is now also clearly visible on 4000spi as well.
If you want, I can send you a full scan so that you can see what it looks like. it's extremely frustrating because it was so super sharp before

I will check the bearing though to see what it does :) Thanks again!

Br, Patrick

[Patrick Daniel]

Hi all,

First of all a happy new year to you!

It took a bit longer to return because of an eye infection, but I am finally back.

Tony, I checked the bearing and it's working just fine without any issues. I still have the same issue and I really suspect the rails as per my previous comments.
Is it true that for lower resolutions, the lens/scanning unit doesn't need to move? Do you know perhaps a procedure to lubricate the rails and what should I use for them? On the rails of the white nylon pads, there are some remains from a thick yellowed residue from a lubricant.

Hope you can shed some light on this.

Br, Patrick

[Patrick Daniel]

On another note, has anyone any experience with scanning cross processed slides on the Cezanne?

I know that consumer scanners cannot scan them properly (I tried it with an Epson v850). But is it possible with the Cezanne? And if so, are there any settings that should make it scan them properly?

I tried it, but it still produces a washed out scan that I need to tweak in Photoshop.
Whereas when I take a digital photo of a negative and invert it, the colors are vibrant and how I would expect them.
With a drum scanner I get the same vibrant colors, so I don't need to tweak them.

Br, Patrick

[Corran]

Scan as a positive and invert...there's no difference in what the scanner "sees" over your digital photo. My assumption is you were using one of the negative film profiles?

[Patrick Daniel]

Hi Corran,

Thanks! That's what I do, scan as a positive and then invert, but it's just not the same.
I know that with other flatbeds they cannot capture all the color, because the color goes out of whack when you cross process slides, but I was hoping that with the Cezanne it was actually possible to capture it.

[Corran]

You should be able to. I mean, there isn't any difference in the way light passes through the film either way. Make sure you have the density settings high enough that you aren't clipping the highlights, and of course no other settings that mess things up.

Can you post a flat scan with no adjustment/inversion and the digital camera "scan?"

[RussPhoto]

Hello everyone!

In Precautions brochure for Mac OS X users Screen recommends following SCSI Card:

PowerDomain 2930U(Adaptec) (*)
PowerDomain 29160N (Adaptec)

I'm about to purchase Adaptec 2930U card but it's 50- pin connectors and it is for PC not for Macs. I'm currently using Adaptec Ava 2906, 25-pin connectors on Mac G4 and it works fine with my Cezanne FT S-5000 however I'd like to try to use Adaptec 2930U for some experimental reasons. Anyone had experience with it? Could you please share? Thanks so much!

[Patrick Daniel]

Hi RussPhoto!

A PC version won't work I'm afraid. There is a reason that Adaptec has different cards for Macs and PCs.
They have a different BIOS on the cards and I believe that the voltage is different as well on the Mac version.

I used to have a Powerdomain 2930 (the Mac version) and that worked just fine on my G4.
But I wouldn't try the PC version. In the best case the card simply doesn't work.

[RussPhoto]

Hi RussPhoto!

A PC version won't work I'm afraid. There is a reason that Adaptec has different cards for Macs and PCs.
They have a different BIOS on the cards and I believe that the voltage is different as well on the Mac version.

I used to have a Powerdomain 2930 (the Mac version) and that worked just fine on my G4.
But I wouldn't try the PC version. In the best case the card simply doesn't work.

Thank you Patrick!

[ray_beginner]

Hi RussPhoto,
I'm new here and a beginner with Cezanne FT S-5000.

I bought these Scanner too but unfortunately without Software
and now I need help from a specialist :-))
In the forum I could read somethings about Software and SCSI interface



I would like to work with ColorGenius vers. 2 with right SCSI card


are you able to help me ?? ... and would you be so nice ??

I need help sooo urgently ;-)

best regards
Ray

[RussPhoto]

Hi Ray,
Here is the picture of SCSI card I use with my scanner, software version Color Genius 2. Hope this helps. 1754592

[Peter De Smidt]

I'm going to replace the bulbs on my Cezanne with LEDs. A scanner tech replaced them with a u-shaped florescent a number of years ago on the forum, and it worked ok for him. The space available to work in is 2.5" wide, 18.5" long, and about 2" high. The metal opening for the light to go through is 1 and 13/16th" wide by 15 and 5/16ths" long. The two very thin fluorescent tubes are about 1" above that opening.

I've ordered an aluminum heat sink 2.079" wide by 18". http://www.heatsinkusa.com/2-079/

I'm considering Yuji strips, either the BC or VTC series. See: https://store.yujiintl.com/collections/high-cri-led-strips-ribbon It looks like 5 - 17" strips would fit on the sink. I'm not sure if I'll have to add diffusion with the 120leds/meter ribbon. I'm trying to decide between the BC and VTC series, as it's $100 difference. It's unlikely to matter for BW, but I'd always wonder.... I don't know if I'll have to run parallel strips to even out light or not. I have two other possible photo purchases this week. If those fall through, I'll order the leds.

[coisasdavida]

I don't know if I'll have to run parallel strips to even out light or not.

How many strips are you planning to fit there?
Are they going to be pointing down? Isn't that going to create uneven light?
Sorry, maybe I didn't get what you are planning.

[Peter De Smidt]

5 strips.

Here's what I used for my dslr scanner:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/p720ade21a93av0/DSC_2206.jpg?raw=1

About 2" away there is a diffuser. The Cezanne version will be long and thin and use much better leds.

[Tim Shawcross]

Hi all - been a while since I've posted here. My scanner has sat idle for a couple of years, but I've just had some film come in to scan. Scanner powered up and passed diagnostics, however, my Mac G4 is dead. I tried replacing the PMU battery but no dice, guessing it is the power supply that is gone. Anyway, I picked up another G4 today for the same price it was going to cost for a new power supply. It came with a SCSI card installed, a 2930CU, which is the same as I had installed in my old mac and had no problems with (so I now have 2 2930CU cards). I transplanted my old hard drive a into the new mac, booted up and opened up the colourgenius server and this is where I've hit a brick wall - I can't get the SCSI card to recognise the scanner (server just reports that the cezanne is not connected).

I've tried:
-putting the 2930CU it in every PCI slot, but no luck. The mac does, however, recognise that the card is installed (it is visible in system profiler in every slot I've tried).
-taking out the 2930CU that arrived with the new mac and putting in the other 2930CU from my dead mac and testing that in every PCI slot. Still no luck.
-reinstalled the hard drive that came with the mac I've just bought (which boots into OS9), installed the colourgenius server package in OS9 onto that hard drive and tried that way. Still the scanner isn't recognised.

I'm at a bit of an impasse and not sure what to do next. I've concluded the SCSI cards must be fine as it seems unlikely they'd both be bad and also as the mac recognises they are installed. I know that that model of card did work with the scanner when I last used it too. The next thought is to buy a new SCSI cable, but before I do that - are there any suggestions of what to try that I might have missed? It's really frustrating as I remember when I first set this scanner up, way back in 2009, I had no trouble with SCSI at all (despite being paranoid after all I had read about it being a nightmare!)

Tim

[RussPhoto]

Try to back up your valuable files, erase everything on HD and re-install fresh copy of Colourgenius.

[coisasdavida]

Tim,

On the older Mac, did you reset pram after removing dead pram battery?

On the newer Mac, on safe mode, delete Adaptec 78xx kext, doing this should improve SCSI situation.

[Tim Shawcross]

Hi -

Yep, I tried resetting the pram but no luck. I removed Adaptec78xxSCSI.kext. Now when the colorgenius server starts up it gives me the error that it can't find the driver. I'm not sure if this is progress or not!

Tim

[Tim Shawcross]

I uninstalled and reinstalled colorgeniusEX and now I'm back where I started, server can't find the scanner (but it doesn't throw up the missing driver error anymore). I might order a new SCSI cable and see if that solves the problem. In the meantime I've got a spare hard drive so I might try a fresh install of OS 10.2 and colorgeniusEX as see if I get anywhere there.

[coisasdavida]

I uninstalled and reinstalled colorgeniusEX and now I'm back where I started, server can't find the scanner (but it doesn't throw up the missing driver error anymore). I might order a new SCSI cable and see if that solves the problem. In the meantime I've got a spare hard drive so I might try a fresh install of OS 10.2 and colorgeniusEX as see if I get anywhere there.

10.3.9 is advised for CG2, not that it should a be any problem to use 10.2.8

can you see the scanner in system profiler? that should point out if this is a CG problem or a OS-SCSI problem.
could be a SCSI ID thing on the newer Mac?
did you swing cable and terminator from their sockets to see it changes anything?
any SCSI drive or anything external attached to the computer?

On both my Cezannes I use a clone drive from my first ever install, so I guess these things are not very problematic.
On one of them I had a either a 2930 or a 2940, sometimes it wouldn't find the scanner and I got a few KP while scanning until I deleted 78xx kext and never again had any problems.

there is an adapted utility to slow down the SCSI card, sort of make into a 2906, that could be useful to try.

unless someone rolled over a chair on your SCSI cable, it shouldn't break like that.

[Corran]

I have more or less the same issue, and have had no luck fixing it, on a secondary G4 I am trying to get working. I have been tinkering with it off and on for quite a while. I will be interested to see if you figure it out.

[Tim Shawcross]

10.3.9 is advised for CG2, not that it should a be any problem to use 10.2.8

can you see the scanner in system profiler? that should point out if this is a CG problem or a OS-SCSI problem.
could be a SCSI ID thing on the newer Mac?
did you swing cable and terminator from their sockets to see it changes anything?
any SCSI drive or anything external attached to the computer?

On both my Cezannes I use a clone drive from my first ever install, so I guess these things are not very problematic.
On one of them I had a either a 2930 or a 2940, sometimes it wouldn't find the scanner and I got a few KP while scanning until I deleted 78xx kext and never again had any problems.

there is an adapted utility to slow down the SCSI card, sort of make into a 2906, that could be useful to try.

unless someone rolled over a chair on your SCSI cable, it shouldn't break like that.

I've just tried pulling both the SCSI cable and SCSI terminator on the back of the scanner and switching them. No luck. Nothing external attached to the computer accept USB keyboard and mouse. The system profiler shows the the SCSI card, but not the scanner. I have an optical drive and ZIP drive in the machine, but I don't think either of those are SCSI. Is there a way to set the scanner SCSI ID? I couldn't see a switch on the back, unless I'm looking in the wrong place.

[coisasdavida]

I couldn't see a switch on the back, unless I'm looking in the wrong place.

From memory, it is a round switch between SCSI sockets on the back of the Cezanne. Maybe it is between numbers somehow...

If you don't see the scanner, CG2 install is not to blame.

Did you check the contacts on the cable, a bent one maybe?

I'd unplug the zip drive anyway, not related to the scanner, it won't work anymore anyway, I have yet to find a working unit and that is just draining power.

[Tim Shawcross]

Okay, feeling a bit stupid! It was a bent contact on the cable. I'd inspected it before, but obviously not carefully enough as I had another look under better lighting and sure enough there was one bent contact. Scanner up and running again.

Which brings me to the next question - I'm thinking about giving wet mount scanning a go. I'm curious to see what it does for dust/scratches as spotting scans is never much fun. It seems like I can try this out with Gamsol and dura-lar sheets as per recommendations of other scanners here without spending a fortune on Aztec supplies. Can I wet mount straight to the the anti newton glass without fear of damaging it, or is that a no-no?

[coisasdavida]

Scanner up and running again.

Great!
I had a sheet of 6mm "extraclear" glass cut to fit in place of the regular anti-newton acrylic tray. But my tray was full of tiny scratches.
If your fellow scanners use this gamsol on acrylic cylinders without problems, it should be safe for the Cezanne acrylic tray.

[Peter De Smidt]

The acrylic tray is very easy to scratch, in my experience. Wet mounting inherently leaves some residue. (If you don't believe me, place a drop on a clean sheet of glass and let it dry for a week. You'll see a spot.) Cleaning off the residue would ultimately lead to scratches on the scanning try. Like Guiherme, I use a DIY glass tray for wet mounting. If you're going to wet-mount everything, then it probably doensn't matter, as the new fluid should dissolve whatever was left from teh last time, and you won't need to clean the tray too often.

I'm really glad that you solved your scsi problem!

[TC542]

Okay, feeling a bit stupid! It was a bent contact on the cable. I'd inspected it before, but obviously not carefully enough as I had another look under better lighting and sure enough there was one bent contact. Scanner up and running again.

Which brings me to the next question - I'm thinking about giving wet mount scanning a go. I'm curious to see what it does for dust/scratches as spotting scans is never much fun. It seems like I can try this out with Gamsol and dura-lar sheets as per recommendations of other scanners here without spending a fortune on Aztec supplies. Can I wet mount straight to the the anti newton glass without fear of damaging it, or is that a no-no?

Sorry for the late reply to your previous connection issue . . .I sent it by direct reply, which went to the site administrator . . .Ooopps!! . .
This is what I sent . . .
"Hi . . .
Before doing a massive erase of all files . . .
Try and find all the 'SCREEN' and 'ColorGenius' folders & files and erase them . . i.e. not affecting the operating system.
Then try loading the ColorGenius S/W again . . . ('Preferences' is a bit of a pig when reloading this system . . . ;-)
Hope it works for you. . . .
BR, TC
PS . . Obviously, check the pins of the SCSI cable/socket to ensure they are not damaged . . . "

This last line looks as though it would've sorted your issue . . .

I have the 'SCREEN' special trays for holding the 'Wet mounting' holders . . . . Might you be interested in it . . Tray plus holders . . ??
(Will take some pictures if interested . . . ;-)
BR, TC

[Tim Shawcross]

I have the 'SCREEN' special trays for holding the 'Wet mounting' holders . . . . Might you be interested in it . . Tray plus holders . . ??
(Will take some pictures if interested . . . ;-)
BR, TC

I'd be quite curious to see what the special tray and wet mounting holders look like as I don't think I've seen them before. Could you post pictures to the thread? However, I'm probably not in the market at this stage to buy them as I'm only planning on experimenting with wet mounting rather than committing to it as a permanent way of scanning (or at least until I'm convinced the gains are worthwhile).

I do have a glass try of some description that came with the scanner, pictured below
178256

I'm not sure what it is used for, it's just sat in a draw since I've had the scanner - it has some thumb wheels and what looks to be like some steel springs on the right hand side. Maybe I could try wet mounting on this?

[coisasdavida]

Maybe I could try wet mounting on this?

If that is glass, that is great!

[Peter De Smidt]

I've not seen a Screen wet mounting tray, but that looks like a good candidate. If it's glass, then by all means give it a try!

[TC542]

I'd be quite curious to see what the special tray and wet mounting holders look like as I don't think I've seen them before. Could you post pictures to the thread? However, I'm probably not in the market at this stage to buy them as I'm only planning on experimenting with wet mounting rather than committing to it as a permanent way of scanning (or at least until I'm convinced the gains are worthwhile).

I do have a glass try of some description that came with the scanner, pictured below
178256

I'm not sure what it is used for, it's just sat in a draw since I've had the scanner - it has some thumb wheels and what looks to be like some steel springs on the right hand side. Maybe I could try wet mounting on this?

Hi . . . I believe this is the clear glass tray that is used for 'Line-Art' scanning. (I will need to double check with my collection. . . .)
I will post pictures of the 'Standard'/'frosted'/ Anti-Newton tray . . Glass tray for line art, along with accessories needed . .
Also, the 'Compound Tray' with accessories for slides,film and Oil holders.
I also did have other options for 'Dot Copy' of image setter films . . That you can regenerate an original/ useable image from the 4 colour seperations . .!!
This you can then re-size . etc.etc. . . . (Some company kept their old films of company logos/artworks for future reference . . .)

By the way there re only 11 actual resolutions . . 1200 and 2400dpi being 2 of them . . These are used for 'Line-Art' and 'Dot Copy' . .
The other resolutions are 'Interpolated/De-Interpolated' depending on the magnification, etc.

Hope this helps . . .
TC542

[TC542]

Hi . . .
Following on from my previous post . . .
I have prepared a PDF document highlighting the 'Accessories' for the Cezanne scanner that I have . . .
(May also help with the 'Oil Tray' issue . . . ;-)

I may let some of these go . . If the price is right . .
Regards, TC542

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[Peter De Smidt]

Oil tray = clamshell holders?

[Tim Shawcross]

Hi . . . I believe this is the clear glass tray that is used for 'Line-Art' scanning. (I will need to double check with my collection. . . .)
I will post pictures of the 'Standard'/'frosted'/ Anti-Newton tray . . Glass tray for line art, along with accessories needed . .
Also, the 'Compound Tray' with accessories for slides,film and Oil holders.
I also did have other options for 'Dot Copy' of image setter films . . That you can regenerate an original/ useable image from the 4 colour seperations . .!!
This you can then re-size . etc.etc. . . . (Some company kept their old films of company logos/artworks for future reference . . .)

By the way there re only 11 actual resolutions . . 1200 and 2400dpi being 2 of them . . These are used for 'Line-Art' and 'Dot Copy' . .
The other resolutions are 'Interpolated/De-Interpolated' depending on the magnification, etc.

Hope this helps . . .
TC542

Thanks for posting pictures of the accessories - it is good to see them all in one place. Looks like the my glass tray is the line art tray. I think I might give wet scanning a go on that one and see what the results are like. Could you tell us a little more of about the 11 actual resolutions? I assume each of these 11 resolutions also has a maximum scan size before interpolation happens due to the CCD size?

[Thorvald]

Hi all, new Cezanne Elite owner there;

First I must say that I have much respect to all that have contributed to this thread.

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My white calibration strip is scratched, so I thought of creating a new one from Canon PT-101 Pro Platinum paper.

I then noticed that the original strip has a yellowish tint, maybe because it's nearly 20 years old, I wonder.
The Canon paper is much whiter !

Would making my own calibration strip from Canon paper actually work, with maybe an even better calibration result than the original item ?
I will make a ICC profile for the scanner afterwards.
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2nd question:

This is a XY scanner, but to my surprise people here mentioned that you need to scan in narrow stripes to achieve the highest resolution possible, and then stitch in Photoshop.

Is it really the case ? So what is the XY system for ?!?! It should logically create itself the required strips automatically (I know that unlike with Creo scanners you have to stitch yourself).

What is then the optimal scanning width and resolution according to your experience ?
I've read that people here chose 8000 DPI as the CCD has 8000 elements (even though the max resolution is officially 5300 DPI).
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3rd question please:

You can profile the scanner with an IT8 target and write the result in the scanner's EPROM.

Is there a way to entirely disable it ?

As I will profile the scanner anyway in i1Profiler, I believe that it would be better to avoid double profiling.

Would the technique that allows to scan in RAW (making the Finish box empty in ColorGenius) discard any internal profiling ?
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4th question:

Is DotFinder only useful for separation film ? Is it useless for regular film ?
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5th question:

Would the Cezanne work with the Atto UL5D SCSI card ? It's the only PCI Express SCSI card available for old Macs to my knowledge, aside the RATOC FR1SX FireWire adapter.
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Thank you everyone for your insight !

[Peter De Smidt]

Someone mentioned making a new calibration strip earlier in this thread. I have not done that.

This is an X/Y scanner. All that means is that you can place the film anywhere on the bed, and the lens/sensor will move to the proper position. This is different than, say, consumer scanners, where the sensor/lens are fixed, and the best resolution is down the middle of the platen, such as the Agfa T2500. Creo (and later Kodak) had a patent on stitching. The Cezanne can actually stitch lineart passes, but not regular film scans.

If you look at the Seybold report on scanners, they achieved about 5700 spi with a Cezanne. I also have tested mine with an Edmund's chrome on glass high resolution target, and my results are the same. The sensor limits resolution in the front to back direction, but it is the linear motion system which does so in the left to right direction.

Regarding profiling, I scan 99% bw. I did make profiles using Wolf Faust's IT8 targets and Lprof many years ago. They helped.

For scanning color negative film, this is what I'd do: I'd scan as a positive in 16 bit per channel mode. I'd move all of the listings from the Finish column. Left click on the them and drag them to the left column. When that's done, you will have a unmanipulated data as I know how to get from a Cezanne.
For bw: scan as a positive in 16 bit per channel mode. Go into manual fine adjustment. Go to the sharping tab. Turn it off. Go back to the retouch color tab. Set the mins to 0 and the maxes to 255. Click on the enlarge tone curve button. Use the curve to invert the data. This is a pain, but don't worry, you'll only have to do this once, ever. You should have a readout that can take and store 8 readings (or so). I put a target on the film base, the lowest shadow, the brightest highlight and the most important tone, such as the face in a portrait. I adjust the HD and SD numbers to give me what I want, making sure not to clip data on either end, erring on the side of low contrast. Good? Name the file aaa_BW_Invert. Scan. Next time you want to scan bw, set the resolution and then load the setup from the aaa_BW_invert scan. Using aaa will mean it's the top setup in the list. All of your setups will be saved. Sharpening will be off, the invert curve with be there. Set your sample points, adjust your sd and hd values, and scan. Because the scanner is x/y, you can load the bed up with scans, setting all of them up at once, and go someplace and have a snack, or a nap, or a walk......

Dotfinder isn't useful in my experience for regular film.

I don't know about the Atto card. Screen lists the Adaptec card in their notes, and that's what I use.

[Blasted]

This has a diagram of the x/y movement https://www.screen.co.jp/ga_dtp/en/news/pdf/newsbox/vol7_pdf/newsbox_7_2.pdf

[nfin1te]

Hey, so, uhm...

I work at a design agency and we still have a cézanne FT-S5000 here, and we will move by the end of the month.
I've searched this thread and found several posts, but they were mainly for the S5500.

What I need to do:
- put the machine into transport mode
- disassemble the top part where the scanner slides into so you can reach the metal grips on the bottom for transporting.

If we had a shipping plate, it is 100% lost by now. When I open the front cover, there is no shipping plate.
It's connected to an old G4 running macos9.2 and ColorGenius if that helps anything.

Any help would be gladly appreciated!

[TC542]

Hey, so, uhm...

I work at a design agency and we still have a cézanne FT-S5000 here, and we will move by the end of the month.
I've searched this thread and found several posts, but they were mainly for the S5500.

What I need to do:
- put the machine into transport mode
- disassemble the top part where the scanner slides into so you can reach the metal grips on the bottom for transporting.

If we had a shipping plate, it is 100% lost by now. When I open the front cover, there is no shipping plate.
It's connected to an old G4 running macos9.2 and ColorGenius if that helps anything.

Any help would be gladly appreciated!

Hi . . .
Before you try to move the scanner you must put it into transport mode . . . !! . . The optics can easily get damaged/misaligned if you do not.
Firstly, the transport bracket is normally fitted behind the front cover . . Secured by a big black securing knob. . .(Bracket is reversed to fit. . . .)
To get the machine to 'Transport position' . . Press and hold the 'Overview' button on the front whilst turning on the power . . Keep it pressed until you hear a beep and the LEDs start rotating . . . . Now let go of the switch.
When the 'Red' LED is 'On' . . Briefly press the 'Overview' switch again to start 'Initialisation' . . The scanner will initialise and then go to the transport position . . Where the transport plate can be fitted,in the non-reversed position, with the 'lugs/dowels' poking through 2 holes, and then secure it with the black knob.
The side cover can then be removed by opening the upper Lamp Cover and removing another smaller black knob that secures the side cover . . A gentle movement . .sliding the cover forwards . . releases the cover from some location pins . .it can then be removed.
Ensure you have at least 2 strapping young men to move the scanner . . . Preferably 4 persons . . !! . . (Just in case . . . ;-)

Please see attached doc for details of the transport bracket . . . (It locks the optics!! . . .)
If you don't have it . . Then find some wooden dowel pins and fit them in the holes . . .!! . . Somehow . . . ;-)
Regards, tc542
PS . . Where are you based . . ?

[nfin1te]

Hi . . .
Before you try to move the scanner you must put it into transport mode . . . !! . . The optics can easily get damaged/misaligned if you do not.
Firstly, the transport bracket is normally fitted behind the front cover . . Secured by a big black securing knob. . .(Bracket is reversed to fit. . . .)
To get the machine to 'Transport position' . . Press and hold the 'Overview' button on the front whilst turning on the power . . Keep it pressed until you hear a beep and the LEDs start rotating . . . . Now let go of the switch.
When the 'Red' LED is 'On' . . Briefly press the 'Overview' switch again to start 'Initialisation' . . The scanner will initialise and then go to the transport position . . Where the transport plate can be fitted,in the non-reversed position, with the 'lugs/dowels' poking through 2 holes, and then secure it with the black knob.
The side cover can then be removed by opening the upper Lamp Cover and removing another smaller black knob that secures the side cover . . A gentle movement . .sliding the cover forwards . . releases the cover from some location pins . .it can then be removed.
Ensure you have at least 2 strapping young men to move the scanner . . . Preferably 4 persons . . !! . . (Just in case . . . ;-)

Please see attached doc for details of the transport bracket . . . (It locks the optics!! . . .)
If you don't have it . . Then find some wooden dowel pins and fit them in the holes . . .!! . . Somehow . . . ;-)
Regards, tc542
PS . . Where are you based . . ?

Hey!

I can't believe how fast I got a reply on my questions, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!

I think i was successful, take a look at the pictures attached: https://imgur.com/a/x8F29kQ

The problem was, i found the original Transport plate PDF, but it irritated me because the metal parts weren't the same as on the S5000 compared to the S5500. So I presumed it was missing. And that I had no idea how to remove the side cover.

We are based in Vienna, Austria. ;) Why?

[nfin1te]

What would really be awesome is if you or anybody else could provide technical information on the S5000, like, how to clean it properly (tray and glass would need cleaning), what parts need to be maintained from time to time, intervalls, etc.
I also read about the need to lubricate the tray belt f.e.
Most of the links I have found in this thread are dead by now and I have only found the german ColorGenius Manual, nothing on the scanner itself.

[Peter De Smidt]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oht4t4bnnlz7dg5/Cezanne%20Manual%20Maintenance.pdf?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tpptluispvvr4ns/FT5000_Clean_Up.jpg?dl=0

[nfin1te]

Dear Peter,
thank you for providing those - it is really unbelievably valuable that enthusiasts like you and TC542 provide pastEOL-support for these great devices - a big thank you for that, this is probably the only ressource for cézanne scanners left.

A bit more about the situation i found myself in:
Im a prepress engineer in a design agency, i have had proper training on drum scanners back in school but never got to use drum scanners in a production environment because the time of drum scanning already was over. The first agency I started working at sold theirs a few months after I started.
The current agency still has a Cézanne S5000 as stated and even a Screen DTS1045ai drum scanner (you should see the mac that comes with it, macos9 seems like a modern rocket ship in comparison) - and im responsible for both with little to no training from former collegues. I can operate both
(a real operator would laugh at me probably), but its a bit hard for me as the last time I did some proper scanning was back in school. I know how to wet mount on the dts, but I have no idea about density values for different film types and stuff like that.
So due to my lack of experience, i probably don't even know what questions to ask (yet). Do you have any additional documents that you think would be of use for a person like me? Im quite good with technology, that's why the boss thought it would be a good idea that i take care of the scanners, haha.

Oh and by the way, one thing that i noticed was that the G4 is not running the maintainance software for the cézanne, just colorgenius, so i don't have any possibility to switch it to transportmode via software, just on the scanner itself.
Any ideas what i could do to get the software needed?

Another thing I'd like to do:
Since there are no replacement parts anymore and the cézanne has 4 lamps, i would like to take out the 2 lamps used for negative scanning (we use the drum scanner for that) and store them as spare until the 2 lamps for positive scanning are broken. This should be possible, right? Can somebody point me in the right direction?

Thank you!

EDIT:
MOTHER OF GOD, i think i have found the holy grail:

https://imgur.com/a/OjN4ZvO

It's the complete package, nothing is missing.
So that saves me from G4 failures at least, which is nice.
I also love the text on the manual, made me laugh:

"Please give this manual to the operator of the FT-S5000.
Do not operate or inspect the FT-S5000 until you have read this manual well and understood its contents.
The administrators and operator of the FT-S5000 should not let enyone who does not understand the contents of this manual operate or inspect the FT-S5000.
After reading this manual, keep it near the FT-S5000."

EDIT2: while digging through the manual i noticed that the cezanne is only standing on 3 of 5 rubber feet. The other ones are probably lost. How bad is that? Can i use something else as support?

EDIT3: I just hit another jackpot..... 1500$ worth of replacement lamps

https://imgur.com/a/XAblFtH

[Peter De Smidt]

Glad you found the manuals! Yes, you can use two bulbs in the scanner. Since I don't do reflective scans with it, I've taken those bulbs out. New bulbs are likely still available. Bryan bought some recently. Others have replaced the bulbs with other options. I'm eventfully going to do an LED conversion. What are you mainly going to be scanning: positives or negatives?

[TC542]

Hi . . . . The scanner does sit on 3 Feet only . . . There should be 'anti-vibration rubber spacers under the feet aswell.
(If you don't have these you can use layers of rubber mouse mats . . . ;-)

In 'Manual' mode you can setup the machine as if you were working on old drum scanners . . .(Well SCREEN ones anyway . . .)
HD/SD, HL/SD%, Sharpness, etc. etc. . . .

Maintenance Software . .'Maintainer' . . . is standard on all the CDROM's . . . Downloaded when you do an 'Easy' install.
You can add an engineers version . . .'Super Maintainer' . . . by 'Custom' install mode from the CDROM . . . . .
It can give you access to some very good status of lamps/optics information . .
and gives a table that shows the 11 actual image resolutions . . without interpolation. . .
(There is a password to access this . . But I will only pass it on if you don't blame me for any problems you cause . .!!!)

MacOS 9.2 is sometimes better to have, as some people try to upgrade to MacOS10.x before they have upgraded the relevant scanner driver firmware . . . This needs to be done using the MacOS9.2 beforehand . . . . !! (I have 3 Macs . . . . Keeping one as MacOS9.2 just in case . . . ;-)

I'll try and add more info as and when . . . .
Regards, tc542

[coisasdavida]

I have put my Cezannes for sale locally, here in São Paulo, and already have sold one, now down to two that are kind of spoken for.
I'll be away from this discussion for a while.

[Peter De Smidt]

Sorry to hear that, Gulherme.

[nfin1te]

Ah, great, thank you all for your answers!

Tony: We do have 3 feet with the appropriate anti-vibration rubber mats, i jut thought there were 5!
Peter: Only positives from clients, we do scan negatives on the drum scanner (rare occasion though)

I have set up a plan to do the following after our move is complete:
- clean the scanner internally as good as i can (i think this hasnt been done before) and take out the 2 bulbs used for negative scanning as spares
- set up the old PowerPC G5 I found in the storage with 10.3.9 Panther and color genius v2
- update the firmware to work with color genius v2 on the G4 (can anybody provide a guide and what version i need to flash to?)
- connect the G5 to the scanner and hope that it works.

[Peter De Smidt]

Check out what firmware you have. Go to Screen's download page. Find that firmware. Now read the "readme" file for each of the next successive firmware updates to figure out which ones you need. You have to go in the proper order!

[TC542]

Ah, great, thank you all for your answers!

Tony: We do have 3 feet with the appropriate anti-vibration rubber mats, i jut thought there were 5!
Peter: Only positives from clients, we do scan negatives on the drum scanner (rare occasion though)

I have set up a plan to do the following after our move is complete:
- clean the scanner internally as good as i can (i think this hasnt been done before) and take out the 2 bulbs used for negative scanning as spares
- set up the old PowerPC G5 I found in the storage with 10.3.9 Panther and color genius v2
- update the firmware to work with color genius v2 on the G4 (can anybody provide a guide and what version i need to flash to?)
- connect the G5 to the scanner and hope that it works.

Hi . . .
You cannot remove the 2 Transparency lamps . . . !! These are used during 'Initialisation' the do an 'Overview' scan.
Hence you will get an error. . . . !!
(You can remove the Reflection lamps . . .But this is no good for you . . . ;-)
Regards, tc542

[nfin1te]

Alright, thank you once more for your replies, I wont take out the transparency lamps then :/
One more question that came to my mind: can i simply take out the old scsi card from the g4 and use it in the g5? Is it still supported?
Because I read about several issues with different scsi cards somewhere in this thread.

[TC542]

Alright, thank you once more for your replies, I wont take out the transparency lamps then :/
One more question that came to my mind: can i simply take out the old scsi card from the g4 and use it in the g5? Is it still supported?
Because I read about several issues with different scsi cards somewhere in this thread.

Hi . . . Please read the attached files before you try and swap over from one MacOS to another . . . !!
Hopefully you are currently using an Adaptec 29160N SCSI card that you are using . . .?
Info should be useful to others aswell . . . . ;-)
Regards,
tc542

[coisasdavida]

Instead of using the gradation curve, I invert the use of the HD and SD option.
For a new film, I choose a daylight photo with white and black parts (best case: shot of a test chart) and begin by setting HD(!) to 4.20(!) and SD(!) to 0.00(!). This will already invert the image, but channels are not equalized yet and there is exposure missing.
Then, I set color pickers on a black and on a white part of the image. I begin by first adjusting the SD values so that the black values of all channels are equal. I usually do not aim for 0 but for 10. The target figure is always the right figure of the color picker as the output is organised as: (original color / target color). The values of the white parts of the image are altered as well, which is why one should start by adjusting the SD values in the first place.
After that, I am changing the HD values to equalize the channels. There are two options right now: equalize all channels to the highest number of the three channels (which, from my memory, should be the blue channel), and strech the histogram in Photoshop afterwards. Or raise all channels to an equal value of about 250.

This way, I got very realistic color out of my negative scans

I have printed this post from Christian that I quote here and had it taped to one of my Cezannes, I removed it recently as it was going away, used it a lot!

[Peter De Smidt]

I do things just a little differently. For BW scans, I go into the advanced settings. I first go the sharpening tab and turn it off. Now I go to the curves tab. I make a curve that inverts the negative. It's a pain, but you only ever have to do it once. Now, like Christian's method, the HD and SD options do the opposite of what they usually do. I set my shadows so that a sampler point reads 15/15/15. I do the same with highlights, but I don't go as high as Christian. I'm usually at 225/225/225. Now call the scan 000_BW_invert. The zeros are so it'll always be at the top of the list of scans. It can be at a low resolution. Next time you want to scan a BW negative, you simply load the settings. Color Genius keeps a record of all of the setups. Set sample points. Adjust HD/SD values. Double check resolution and magnification, as these can sometimes be sneakily changed by the preview scan. Name the file. Scan. What I like about this method, is that it automatically turns sharpening off. I found that I used to forget when I had to do that for every scan.

[MattR]

I haven't heard of people using a MacPro to drive Colorgenius and their Cezanne. I do and it has been working fine, so I though I'd list my set-up in case it is helpful.

Mac Pro (Early 2008)
2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
16 GB 800 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM

OSX 10.5 Server

Colorgenius Ver 2.07

Cezanne FT-S5000

ATTO ExpressPCI UL5D SCSI card

[Corran]

I haven't heard of people using a MacPro to drive Colorgenius and their Cezanne. I do and it has been working fine, so I though I'd list my set-up in case it is helpful.

Mac Pro (Early 2008)
2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
16 GB 800 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM

OSX 10.5 Server

Colorgenius Ver 2.07

Cezanne FT-S5000

ATTO ExpressPCI UL5D SCSI card

Wait a minute, you've got an Intel-based Mac running the Cezanne and software??! Didn't think that was possible.

[MattR]

Yes, Intel-based Mac. These pictures should show you exactly what is running.187360187361

[kshaub103]

Yes, Intel-based Mac. These pictures should show you exactly what is running.187360187361

Intersting I didn't think of trying OS X 10.5 server.

[Peter De Smidt]

That's good news! I'm running 10.3 on a G4, and who knows how long it'll last.

[calebarchie]

Shouldn't it be fine if it is running OSX ≤ 10.6 Snow Leopard it will use Rosetta.

[MattR]

Shouldn't it be fine if it is running OSX ≤ 10.6 Snow Leopard it will use Rosetta.

Yes, Color Genius is easily installed on 10.6 and below, however, it isn't an installing of the software issue with Colorgenius that has caused people trouble with being able to use their scanner. It has always been complications around hardware, firmware, and driver issues relating to the SCSI Card and SCSI Device.

[Clickwrr]

Hello All, I have have just tried my old link to Screen for the software, https://www.screen.co.jp/ga_dtp/en/download/#Scanner%20Software , and it now brings an error. Perhaps they have discontinued software support. If so, can we add files we have to a central download site?

[nfin1te]

Ok hi everyone, im back after moving the cézanne and im happy to report: everything went well and the scanner still is in working condition afterwards ;)

Concerning the age, I decided to open it up and clean it thoroughly before setting it up again, and that's what i did yesterday thanks to your help - and boy it was dirty inside.

All went well until I took a look at the mirror before cleaning it - then, my personal moment of horror. The mirror is full of tiny scratches, like a really excessive amount. Interestingly enough, all of the are at the same height which indicates something mechanical scratched it and not a person while cleaning it. They would be all over the place in that case and not all at the same height.
If the scanner was transported without being locked some time before, is it possible that the camera bumped against the mirror and scatched it like that? Or what can be the reason for this? Because the mirror isn't really what you would call accessible easily - so I have no idea what possibly happened there.
I think the person responsible for the cézanne before didn't really care that much :(

Here are 2 pics, the first one shows the general inside of the cézanne and the second one is the horror pic.
https://imgur.com/a/WHrrHPd

I'm doing some testscans and so far you can't see any scratches on the scans itself.


Also, can someone help me out with density values and how to set them properly for positive scanning?
Thing is, I under stand the concept, but I thought you just use the colorpickertool and set the highlight density to the brightest point and the shadow density to the darkest point of the image you are about to scan. But the results are usually too dark. Any ideas? Am I doing something wrong?

Thank you guys!

[coisasdavida]

After the last Cezanne went away, I found a sealed box with two bulbs. How much are these going for, can anyone give me a clue?

[Peter De Smidt]

Bryan would have the best idea.

[Corran]

I arranged to buy a bunch of bulbs at cost back in 2016 and offered them here on the forum to help other Cezanne owners. Some balked at the price - $450 incl. USA shipping. A couple folks bought a pair. I actually lost money on this deal after it was all said and done (shipping was a bit higher than expected). These were brand new from Cezanne. I still occasionally get emails about them but I am not buying them anymore. I have a stash of a dozen bulbs or so for myself but it was so much trouble doing it and losing money anyway...

Very few of us out here using the Cezanne so I really couldn't say what you could expect to get. I know someone from Europe emailed me about it and I almost sold one of the spare sets I had to him, but the shipping was high (including very good packaging/insurance) so he decided against it. I imagine the problem will be the same, for those interested outside of Brazil?

Edit: Peter you sniped me lol :)

[Peter De Smidt]

Sorry, Bryan. Anyway, if it were me, I'd try to sell them locally, perhaps to the people you sold the scanners to. Personally, I'd never pay $450. When the time comes that I need new bulbs, I'll build my own light source. I have all the parts already, but I just haven't gotten around to it. An excellent LED system can be made for under $200, and it would likely last for the lifespan of the scanner. Earlier in the thread, someone posted a different replacement option.

[coisasdavida]

Earlier in the thread, someone posted a different replacement option. It was me who posted a replacement option, probably why I still have the bulbs... Thanks anyway Peter and Bryan.

[Corran]

The bulbs also work way longer than one might think, especially for film scanning. For prints/opaque scanning, they do have trouble once they are too old.

I replaced some 2-year-old bulbs recently (note I use the Cezanne 2-3 times a week for anywhere from 5-20 hours) and did a careful test before and after replacement, with a film scan that had exactly the same settings. The scans were identical. The old bulbs when put into the bottom drawer (I simply rotate the bulbs from the film to the print scanning drawer when replacing them) gave me the "low intensity" warning. I replaced them because I wanted to see if there was a difference and because the opaque bulbs I was using were finally giving me serious issues, failing to scan sometimes.

Only once did I ever have that warning for the film scanning bulbs. That was with my first pair that came with the scanner and probably were many years old when I got them, then I used them heavily for a year. Back then I used to have the scanner on almost 24/7 as I was scanning old images and starting to archive a trove of negatives from my family.

[Thorvald]

Did someone keep an archive of all firmwares and drivers please ?
As the Screen download site is down...

I have the following files if I can help someone:
ColorGeniusEXV204E_Up.sit.hqx 4.8MB English
ColorGeniusEXV204E_Upr2.sea.hqx 3.3MB English
ColorGeniusEXV204F_Upr2.sea.hqx 3.3MB French
ColorGeniusEXV204G_Upr2.sea.hqx 3.3MB German
ColorGeniusEXV213E_Up.sit.hqx 27.4MB English
ColorGeniusEXV213F_Up.sit.hqx 27.4MB French
ColorGeniusEXV214E_Up.zip 21.1MB English

I also have the firmware 2.05 and 2.06 for the FT-S5500
FT-S5500_V205.sit.hqx and FT-S5500_V206.sit.hqx

Are these the last versions of ColorGeniusEX and firmware ?

I just need the driver though please,
I miss the FT-S5500 driver V2.14, would be also nice to have the V2.11 just in case.

Thank you very much.

[Thorvald]

I managed to find the driver V2.14 thanks to Corran:
https://www.screen.co.jp/pub/dtp/ColorScope/FTS5000Driver_v214updater/FTS5000_Driver_214Updater_E.zip
https://www.screen.co.jp/pub/dtp/ColorScope/FTS5500Driver_v214updater/FTS5500_Driver_214Updater_E.zip

But is it necessary to install the V2.11 driver or any other driver first ?
Thank you !

I'm trying to understand the V2.11 driver download link;
I know that the file names of other files are:
FTS5000_Driver_211Updater_E.hqx
FTS5000_Driver_214Updater_E.zip
FTS5500_Driver_214Updater_E.zip
https://www.screen.co.jp/pub/dtp/ColorScope/FTS5000Driver_V211Inst/FTS5000DriverV211E.pdf
https://www.screen.co.jp/pub/dtp/ColorScope/FTS5000Driver_v214updater/FTS5000DriverV214E.pdf
https://www.screen.co.jp/pub/dtp/ColorScope/FT5500Driver_V211Inst/FTS5500DriverV211_V105E.pdf
https://www.screen.co.jp/pub/dtp/ColorScope/FTS5500Driver_v214updater/FTS5500DriverV214E.pdf

[Thorvald]

Good news, you can actually install the V2.14 driver directly, so no need to find the V2.11

To install the various files you need to install Stuffit Expander first,
its file name is expander_installer_en_4255.dmg (for Snow Leopard), you can find it on Google.

Does somebody have a DotFinder version that does not require the Classic environment ?
Thank you.

[FloydPhill]

Hey Fellas

Wonderin if anybody has any advice on getting a 2003 mac G4 playing nice with a 1999 Cezanne fts5000. I have v1 of Color Genius install disks (if anybody has suggestions on how to rip and upload those for others use - let me know) and a machine able to run an os9 classic environment. C.G. will run but I cant seem to get the g4 to see the scanner. The error message is pictured here: 196828

I have been able to find drivers for the [URL="http://https://storage.microsemi.com/en-us/support/scsi/2900/ava-2906/"]aptec SCSI 2906 card [/URL. But still no dice... any thoughts?

Second question - anybody got a line on updating the color genius software to v2?

Thanks so much for the help. This thread has a ton of brilliant info that has helped me greatly in the past. Great to see these machines have an intact following. I hope to be able to keep these kinds of devices up and running, so any suggestions for how to archive software and hardware fixes for posterity, please do tell.

[Corran]

Is the scanner booting up okay? Showing all green on the lights once it's done its initial check? And just to be sure, you aren't turning on the Mac before the scanner has done all of that right?

Is this a turnkey system that was supposed to work out of the box? That SCSI card, I can't remember if it's the correct one. I think the only one I've gotten to work is the Adaptec 29160N.

[FloydPhill]

Hello everyone!

In Precautions brochure for Mac OS X users Screen recommends following SCSI Card:

PowerDomain 2930U(Adaptec) (*)
PowerDomain 29160N (Adaptec)

I'm about to purchase Adaptec 2930U card but it's 50- pin connectors and it is for PC not for Macs. I'm currently using Adaptec Ava 2906, 25-pin connectors on Mac G4 and it works fine with my Cezanne FT S-5000 however I'd like to try to use Adaptec 2930U for some experimental reasons. Anyone had experience with it? Could you please share? Thanks so much!

Hey man do you have copies of the drivers for that card? My old G4 machine died before I could clone the hard drive(got it then moved and thought I had more time to backshit up - let me be a lesson to you). So I moved the 2906 to another G4 and I cant get the scanner to recognize the comp despite the scsi card showing up as recognized by the G4.

[FloydPhill]

Is the scanner booting up okay? Showing all green on the lights once it's done its initial check? And just to be sure, you aren't turning on the Mac before the scanner has done all of that right?

Is this a turnkey system that was supposed to work out of the box? That SCSI card, I can't remember if it's the correct one. I think the only one I've gotten to work is the Adaptec 29160N.

Scanner boots up fine. I had it running with a g4 running OSX and v2 of CG, but the hard drive died before I could clone it. I had just got the scanner and moved it into a new studio... turns out I should have done that right after testing it.

So now I have another g4 running osx and os 9 classic environment running CG v1. with my original 2906 scsi card.

[Corran]

I don't think a 2906 will work, and also, I'm not sure how the OSX with OS9 classic environment will work.

However, I think I can help you...I will PM you here in a second.

[FloydPhill]

Is the scanner booting up okay? Showing all green on the lights once it's done its initial check? And just to be sure, you aren't turning on the Mac before the scanner has done all of that right?

Is this a turnkey system that was supposed to work out of the box? That SCSI card, I can't remember if it's the correct one. I think the only one I've gotten to work is the Adaptec 29160N.


I had the machine up and running on another g4 recently with that card and osx and CGv2. As I was movig into a new place, and had recemtly bought the scanner I guessed I would have more time to settle myself then clone the drive. I was wrong... lesson learned.

So I moved the 2906 SCSI card into another g4 tower running osx and a os 9 classic enviorment with CG v1.

[photo8x10]

I have this scanner for about 3 years and today after one year of stop, it isn't turn on. No led or other thing is on...
I don't understand why it is not work... the last time I use works properly and today after a 1 year period of inattivity doesn't work.
I would like to know is in case there is a fuse, or sometimes other things to check to make it live again?
Thanks
Stefano

[Peter De Smidt]

I just replaced the very old hard drive on my G4 with an ssd from Other World Computing. https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMXLE120/
My Mac won't see any drive above 120gb, and so getting a bigger drive didn't make sense.
My computer runs OS 10.3.9, and I needed to use a compatible cloning software. I used Super Duper:
https://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html
It was easy to use.

I haven't had a chance to check on scanner function, but otherwise so far so good. I'll report back later today on scanning with the new drive.

[Corran]

Peter, thanks for posting! I had no idea they had IDE SSD's! And not too expensive. I might get one myself, if you report no issues.

Back a few years ago I bought half a dozen old IDE mechanical drives on surplus for about $5 apiece. I have already replaced the drive in my G4 twice due to failure. Obviously surplus drives already have a lot of miles on them!

[Peter De Smidt]

I just did a scan, and everything turned out fine. The SSD makes the G4 significantly faster. Before upgrading, check what Mac you have. In particular, check the maximum hard drive size. Many are limited to 128g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Mac_G4
250g and 500g drives aren't all the much more than a 120g, but it don't get a bigger drive if your computer won't see it. I just had that problem. I took a 250g Samsung ssd drive out of an old system and put the drive in an external enclosure. I formatted it as exFAT, which works on both Macs and PCs. With my PC, the drive works great, but my old Mac doesn't recognize it, as it's too big. Maybe creating smaller partitions will help. Anyway, you then need cloning software that's compatible with your OS. Carbon Copy Cloner didn't have one listed on their site that went back far enough, but Super Duper did.

The OWC kit contain a IDE to SATA adapter, plus the sata drive. It's possible that just buying the adapter will allow it to work with any SSD of the right size. I don't know. At the OWC price, I didn't see that it was worth the bother. I set the jumper on the adapter to slave, installed the drive just above the old hard drive, using the second fitting on the ide cable, and booted the system up. The OS saw both drives. I ran Super Duper, specified the source and destination drives, and hit go. It took about 1/2 hour to clone the drive, including making the ssd bootable. Shut down machine. Unplug original drive, which I'm just going to leave in the computer for safe keeping, switch the jumper on the card to 'master', reboot, and Bob's your uncle.

[Corran]

Okay, so it's an adapter. Didn't know that existed, either - I last used IDE hard drives in my PC's back maybe 15 years ago, and never looked back, until having to deal with the G4.

I have software on my PC that reads and writes to hard drives using raw binary code (https://hddguru.com/software/HDD-Raw-Copy-Tool/). I have the 40GB Mac drive "virtually" archived, and so if I have to replace my G4 drive, it's simply a matter of hooking up the drive to a SATA / IDE to USB enclosure and copying the binary over, even though my PC can't understand the data it is writing. 120GB is more than enough - I scan direct to a CF card and then bring it over to my PC.

[Peter De Smidt]

Yes, the adapter plugs into the sata drive, and the ide cable plugs into the adapter. Your software looks like it should work fine formatting the new drive.

[Peter De Smidt]

Stefano,

I wish that I could help, but I don't know the answer. II expect that there are fuses in the power supply, but I don't have any first-hand knowledge. I would try to get ahold of a Screen tech in your area. If that doesn't work, perhaps there are places that sell/service used professional scanners, and they might be able to tell you some things to check. Finally, someone in this very long thread is contact info for a Screen tech. He might help, but I don't have time to find his info.

[TC542]

I have this scanner for about 3 years and today after one year of stop, it isn't turn on. No led or other thing is on...
I don't understand why it is not work... the last time I use works properly and today after a 1 year period of inattivity doesn't work.
I would like to know is in case there is a fuse, or sometimes other things to check to make it live again?
Thanks
Stefano

Hi Stefano . . .
If the machine is completely dead, i.e. no LED's at all, then probably it is a power supply failure.
It is situated at the left hand side . . . Remove the tray protection to get access to the side cover near the on/off switch.
A replacement power supply may only be available via SCREEN . . (If you are lucky . . ) or via someone with a spare/scrap machine.

If the power supply is OK . . and the machine is an FT-S5500 . . Then I have a spare 'SCONT' board . . . (Only fits the 5500 type machine . . !!)
Hope you can work it out.
TC542

[Peter De Smidt]

Thanks for contributing, TC542!

[photo8x10]

Thanks everyone, I will check the power unit and other things... before to call an assistence...
I will keep informed
Stefano

[Stefan V.]

Hello group,

after regular use I did the usual maintenance on my FT5500 (cleaned optics & mirror, lubricated rails etc.) to get the resolution back where it should be. As it worked well (from ca. 2500 to over 5100 after cleaning, tested with the USAF chart) I could not get rid of the jittered lines in high res scans. When checking the RGB channels I see that they are off just some pixels, which then looks like chromatic aberration in actual color scans. So the next step was to level the scanner precisely and giving it support from underneath as suggested. As it reduced the effect a little it is still apparent and also the jittered lines do exist.

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Here another converted Ektar 100 scanned at 5300dpi, which suffers from channel drifts and jittered lines

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Now that I did some testscans the scanner stopped twice with a loud mechanical noise, as if the drive forces the scan bed against any kind of resistance. I immediately switched it off and carefully moved the bed back to its default position. Now the scanner fails the startup routine after switching on the transparency bulb (all 3 status leds flashing subsequently in a loop) and reports two normal and one short beeps while the red (label: ?) LED remails on and the green (label: house) keeps flashing.

My first guess was that the left or front covers were not locked correctly but I can rule that out since this gives me differend beep and LED flash codes. So I removed the left cover and unfortunately found the following: it seems that the track for the scanning bed is based on some kind of ball race made of plastic, which loosened over time. In the image you can see the tiny balls beside the jammed and twisted bearing. Good and bad: this could be the reason for the jittered lines but did anybody of you had the same issue?

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Does anybody has access to the service manual and could kindly forward it to me? Or even has a procedure to access this area since the rail is attached to the bed from below?

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Any help is appriciated! Thanks for this fantastic forum and your contribution, as I learned so much from you over the years.

Kind Regards,
Stefan

[Stefan V.]

Hello,

after repairing the Coolscan LS-9000 (replaced a faulty IC in the power supply) I'm focussing on the Screen again. Will link my way / guide of disassembly later but for now I can confirm that the guiding carriage of the linear guide is broken. The part to replace is a THK SSR20, which here in Germany I can order e.g. under https://www.ekugellager.de/ssr20-xwqzss

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Regards,
Stefan

[FloydPhill]

Hello,

after repairing the Coolscan LS-9000 (replaced a faulty IC in the power supply) I'm focussing on the Screen again. Will link my way / guide of disassembly later but for now I can confirm that the guiding carriage of the linear guide is broken. The part to replace is a THK SSR20, which here in Germany I can order e.g. under https://www.ekugellager.de/ssr20-xwqzss

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Regards,
Stefan

Thanks for posting this stuff man. Great to see there are resources still available for the upkeep of these machines. How did you track down that component? Did you manage to find any documentation regarding troubleshooting and repairing these machines?

[TC542]

Thanks for posting this stuff man. Great to see there are resources still available for the upkeep of these machines. How did you track down that component? Did you manage to find any documentation regarding troubleshooting and repairing these machines?

Hi All . . . .
After replacing any parts on the machine . . e.g. Lens, CCD, linear guides, rails, etc. you will need a jig to align all the resolutions . . (11 off . . )
The jig is called a 'Glass Jig' . . It has special lines on it the are for calibrating the scanner.
I used to train the engineers with this jig . . It is not easy to setup the lens . . You need another lens mounting jig for this aswell . . !!

I tried to obtain one of these through my SCREEN contacts . . to no avail at the moment. . . (But I will keep trying. . . . )

Without this jig I'm afraid the quality of images, after your replacement, will not be any good.
But you must try.

Hope this helps . .

[Stefan V.]

Hello,

Fortunately everything looks good after replacing the guiding carriage. USAF-1951 gives me now 6 5-6 ! (with speed brake setting to /2 <=> Best), which is ~5160-5790dpi :-) BUT this is only in the middle so I need to run 8 additional samples around the bed. I will also check, if the color issue is gone doing a full 72 35mm frame set scan.

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@TC542: Thanks for the hint. Do you have an abstract of the mentioned procedure? Would it be possible to simulate the Glass Jig with any kind of calibration slide (USAF chart)? Did the procedure require a special piece of software or could you use the maintenance tool?

Regards,
Stefan

[TC542]

@TC542: Thanks for the hint. Do you have an abstract of the mentioned procedure? Would it be possible to simulate the Glass Jig with any kind of calibration slide (USAF chart)? Did the procedure require a special piece of software or could you use the maintenance tool?

Regards,
Stefan[/QUOTE]

Hi Stefan . . .
Sorry . . no chance . . . The 'Glass Jig' is a special piece of glass with etched in fine lines of varying resolutions.
It came from SCREEN in an aluminium case for safety during transport as it was shipped around the UK/Europe.
The software, that runs with it, is included in the 'Super Maintainer'.

Hopefully, one can be obtained and utilised by the group . . . (Fingers crossed . . . ;-)

[cezanne_still_learning]

Hi All,

New to the thread but have been reading quite a bit as while I shopped for one.
Now I own a FT5500 and have it connected through a Mac G4 running os9 & Colorgenius 1
The scans seem to be working but I can't open the files & have no idea how to get the files off of the g4.
I tried hooking up harddrives but they're not recognized. I tried connecting it via ethernet to a google wifi node but it didn't get online and inexplicably crashed my wifi network until i turned off the computer.

Is there any way i'm not thinking of? Does wired ethernet between an os9 computer and an osX catalina computer work?

Thanks!

[Peter De Smidt]

I'm not an expert, but I bet your computer won't see a hard drive over 128gb. Try partitioning the drive so that one partition is small enough.

[FloydPhill]

Hey folks, wanted to give a bit of an update on my hunt for Color Genius V2. Thanks to users Corran, and coisasdavida I was able to get two copies of a the software and the needed serial keys. Bryan (Corran) also was kind enough to send me a clone of his hard drive through the mail to help get my system running again. I ended up pulling the crashed drives from my old G4 machine and replacing them with a single 120 GB ssd and IDE adapter made by other world computing. Linked here: https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMXLE120/ (http://https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMXLE120/)

After maxing out the ram in the G4 and this SSD replacement the rig runs like greased lightning. Boot time and file access is notably quicker. I was surprised that scanning and processing image files is significantly faster as well. I would highly recommend this upgrade if you got 60 bucks to spare.

So thank you again guys for all the help getting the rig up and running again. Turns keeping good backups is important.

Now the only things I have to sort out are a new set of bulbs for the Cezanne and a new sheet of anti newton glass. Anybody got a line on either of those?

(attached are a few of my recent scans)

[Peter De Smidt]

https://www.acrylite.co/non-glare-p99-colorless-0a000-ar.html

[TC542]

Hey folks, wanted to give a bit of an update on my hunt for Color Genius V2. Thanks to users Corran, and coisasdavida I was able to get two copies of a the software and the needed serial keys. Bryan (Corran) also was kind enough to send me a clone of his hard drive through the mail to help get my system running again. I ended up pulling the crashed drives from my old G4 machine and replacing them with a single 120 GB ssd and IDE adapter made by other world computing. Linked here: https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMXLE120/ (http://https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMXLE120/)

After maxing out the ram in the G4 and this SSD replacement the rig runs like greased lightning. Boot time and file access is notably quicker. I was surprised that scanning and processing image files is significantly faster as well. I would highly recommend this upgrade if you got 60 bucks to spare.

So thank you again guys for all the help getting the rig up and running again. Turns keeping good backups is important.

Now the only things I have to sort out are a new set of bulbs for the Cezanne and a new sheet of anti newton glass. Anybody got a line on either of those?

(attached are a few of my recent scans)

Hi Floyd . . . I may have a secondhand glass available . . . Been used, but not extensively . . (Used on training courses only . . . )
Whereabouts are you? . . Can ship in an original box.
Also, have a clear glass . . Normally used for 'Line-art' . . But a SCREEN scanner instructor used to use this for normal scanning aswell . . . Apparently with good results.
Let me know . . .
Regards, tc542

[Peter De Smidt]

The clear glass would be very good for wet scanning, especially if it's glass and not acrylic.

Changing topics, I retired an old computer. It had a 128 GB Samsung SSD. I bought an external case for it. To get it to work with my G4 and Windows, I had to use the Windows command prompt to format at Fat32. Exfat didn't work. Now it works great. The external case was about $10. I use the external drive to move photos from my G4 with a USB2 card to my Windows workstation.

[Matko]

Hi,
Been from page 1 to the end of this thread in past three days. What a work...
New Forum Member, but it's been about 10 yrs since I own a Cezanne. I use it from time to time. First problems occured awhile ago - the space, marked in Preview did not match the Scanned picture. there was always a shift, do not remember any more on which side. But I somehow managed it by marking a bigger crop in Preview, so the scanned image was >full in<...
Real problems occured, as I have moved the scanner to another room, forgot to prepare it for moving...
First, it did not start at all, I mean it did not complete the initializing proces. All lights kept blinking. The Screen Technitian came by, said he cannot remember the last time he saw Cezanne... Had opened it, cleaned it, we did run some tests and after that the scanner did the self test / initialization OK. But ever since I cannot make it prescan something (I succeded only once - and It gave me this (see below)). After I hit Prescan, it starts moving the bed, then stops with the scanning bulbs turning off. It usually comes wit 1006 error, and the message that the light Intensity is too low and I should replace the Bulbs... Few times it was a Message refering to defect power unit fan (or something like that).
Any information / solution would be appreciated. Thanks!
Matej

[Matko]

The missing screenshot:

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[Corran]

Is the scanner on a good heavy-duty table and well supported on both ends and in the center?

[Matko]

Is the scanner on a good heavy-duty table and well supported on both ends and in the center?

I believe yes. It stands on 2 rubber feet located towards the >extension< and one in the center on the side of status lights. I dont't know what the other 2 rubbers are good for (about 5 mm in the air, not on the table)?
What do you mean by >well supported in the center<?
Thanks

[Corran]

When I first got my Cezanne I put it on a table that sagged in the middle from the weight, causing also the scanner to have a bit of sag, which made the whole thing "hitch" along the rails when scanning and caused strange lines across the scan. The entire length of the scanner then needs to be well supported. If some of your rubber feet are in the air something is not right.

[FloydPhill]

Hi Floyd . . . I may have a secondhand glass available . . . Been used, but not extensively . . (Used on training courses only . . . )
Whereabouts are you? . . Can ship in an original box.
Also, have a clear glass . . Normally used for 'Line-art' . . But a SCREEN scanner instructor used to use this for normal scanning aswell . . . Apparently with good results.
Let me know . . .
Regards, tc542

Hey TC,

Id certainly be interested in the glass. My scanner and I are posted up in Brooklyn NY, would that work with shipping on your end?

[Corran]

I shot this excellent negative over the weekend so I decided to push the Cezanne to the limit by scanning it at 5000 DPI (strips) to see what I could pull from a TMX negative exposed about as optimally as possible, with an APO Symmar 150mm lens at f/16.

Here's the full shot:

http://www.esearing.com/Bryan/AV/photosharing/ice-hirez-5316_stitch-ss.jpg

Here's a 100% crop sized at 100 x 125 inches at 96 DPI for most monitors:

http://www.esearing.com/Bryan/AV/photosharing/ice-hirez-5316_stitch-crop.jpg

[TC542]

Hey TC,

Id certainly be interested in the glass. My scanner and I are posted up in Brooklyn NY, would that work with shipping on your end?

Hi Floyd . . .
Which glass tray would you be interested in . . .Standard or Clear . . ?
I'd be a bit worried about shipping the tray to NY . . . People handling it . . . Even in the proper packaging . . . !!
(Could pack some more bubble wrap inside I suppose . . . )
Let me know and I'll find out what the shipping would cost . . including insurance . . .
Regards, Tony

[FloydPhill]

Hi Floyd . . .
Which glass tray would you be interested in . . .Standard or Clear . . ?
I'd be a bit worried about shipping the tray to NY . . . People handling it . . . Even in the proper packaging . . . !!
(Could pack some more bubble wrap inside I suppose . . . )
Let me know and I'll find out what the shipping would cost . . including insurance . . .
Regards, Tony

Hi Tony,

Regarding the glass, whats the difference between the Standard Glass and the Clear?

Ah yeah shipping glass is always a risk. Do not bend stickers are always a prudent measure, but with how the post is handled out here its very little assurance.

[Peter De Smidt]

The standard tray is acrylic with an anti-Newton texture. My guess is that the glass tray is really glass, and it doesn't have a texture. Is that right?

[TC542]

The standard tray is acrylic with an anti-Newton texture. My guess is that the glass tray is really glass, and it doesn't have a texture. Is that right?

Correct . . The Glass Tray . . for Line-Art scanning . .is a clear glass.
I will try and get a quote for shipping of both the Standard and Glass trays . . inc. insurance . . .
Watch this space . . ;-)
BR, Tony

[OfficerKittles]

Hi, everyone!

I am new to working with a Cezanne Elite.

I've compared 800 dpi scans from the Cezanne with a scan from my Canon LiDE 400 at the same resolution, and as of this writing the scans coming off of a <$100 machine look better than the Cezanne scans. The lines are crisper, the shadows retain more detail and are less inky, and the color runs a little less extreme (I'm still testing with different settings, but so far I'm finding that the Cezanne leans very cyan/yellow with much higher contrast). For reference, the optical resolution on the LiDE is 4800; the Cezanne is 2400.

I understand that the Cezanne is known to be an excellent product when it comes to professional scanning, but my experience comparing the results from this machine and a cheap household scanner are concerning to say the least. Can anyone recommend a configuration of settings that have worked for them or suggest an area I should pay specific attention to when making adjustments? (I am using this primarily to scan artworks on paper for publishing.) Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you!
Kat

[Peter De Smidt]

What are you scanning, what's the end purpose, and why are you scanning at 800 dpi?

[Peter De Smidt]

Bryan, that would make a terrific big print!

[Corran]

I don't think many of us are using their Cezannes to scan opaque things, but first you'll want to try a fresh bulb if you have it. Secondly, if the darker areas are too dark, change the SD settings to a higher number. Don't just let it automatically set the values in the HD / SD area. Color you'll have to figure out the best settings. One option here is to get a color checker chart and scan it to figure out the correct settings for light/dark/grey. Start at 0, 0, 0, on the HD.

Finally, 800 DPI is nothing to this scanner, the optical resolution can get to over 5000 DPI depending on how / what you scan. If you can scan at a higher resolution, you'll get more information in the file. Not sure how large your originals are, but I can scan an 8x10 in one pass at 1500 DPI. Unless you are scanning the whole bed in one go, you should be able to get more than 800 DPI. Don't forget to orient your original with the long side facing horizontally. Your resolution can be up to about (12,000 ÷ width in inches) in one pass.

PS: Here's a youtube clip of me setting up a scan of film. Might help you, but understand the HD / SD valuesare REVERSED due to the film being a negative and also probably fairly different values for scanning film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f1ScrmR-2Y

Thanks Peter, it would!

[felix5616]

I am looking at a used Screen Cezanne FT-S5000. where can i get scanning software with serial number and bulbs?

[Corran]

Do you mean you are looking at a used scanner, but it doesn't have the computer to go with it? To me, that'd be a dubious proposition, since you wouldn't have any clue about condition / if it works.

[felix5616]

yes, just the scanner. i am hesitant as well

[TC542]

yes, just the scanner. i am hesitant as well

Hi Felix . . .
Once powered 'On' . . Does the machine go through a full cycle . . and finish with the 3 LEDs at the front cycling . . ?
If so, then the machine has gone through a full cycling of the drive mechanisms . . and then did a check of the lamps.
If it fails any of these there will be a 'beep' and red LED flashing.

If it does pass, then I'm sure you will be able to pickup an old G4 Mac running MacOS9.2 or 10.4ish and a valid interface card/cable.
(I picked one up in London for £25 a few years ago . . . ;-)
If you are getting the machine for next to nothing, then go for it.

Lamps are another issue . . These are expensive to replace.
Check on this forum for what to do about this.

Hope this helps . . .

[intellaprint]

I am looking at a used Screen Cezanne FT-S5000. where can i get scanning software with serial number and bulbs?

I have a Screen Cezanne FT-5500 Scanner available. It is barely used in very good working condition. I also have the Apple Power Mac G4 with the SCSI card installed. There is also a Hardware Key or Dongle for the optional deMoire' reducing software. PM or email me with an offer. I am in Northern California, USA so shipping may be costly.
dave@intellaprint.com

[Tony-Wu]

Hello everyone, I want to some help.
I have a cezanne FT-S5000 scanner. It works on my PowerPC 9600 / 300,but I can't make it work on my G4 MDD.The system is Mac OS 9.2. both. the software version is Colorscope Pro3 1.2.1.On my G4,the progress bar always stops at the last moment in the scanning process, and the computer crashes. What can I do to make it work on my G4?

[TC542]

Hi Tony . . .
It is good that you have MacOS 9.2 using CSPro3 1.2.x . . . But other things need to match for it to work properly.
(It was a nightmare to support softwares during my time with SCREEN . . . ;-)
Can you let us know the SCSI card you are using?
What Driver version you have for the SCSI card?
What is the Driver Firmware version on the scanner?
Are there any errors? . . i.e. LED flashing . . . Mac reported error. . . .

Regards, tc542

[nbagno]

Is there a hardware manual available for the elite? Can’t seem to find one. Thanks


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[nbagno]

I hate to have to resort to this but. I'm another person that just acquired a Cezanne Elite and as it turns out, no software. Thought it was on the computer that came with it, but it's not. No software, no serial number, nothing. Do I have a boat anchor? The scanner looks to be in great shape, boots to the green home screen. The platin is it 8+ shape, has the film hold down thing and the white calibration strip looks new.

At a minimum, I wanted to at least install the software to see if I could run the maintenance program to check for errors, no luck. I used the internet archive to get to the screen download page but nothing I try will extract the .hqx file. I've tried stuffit expander, it barfs, 7-zip chokes, Archive utility didn't work, binhex was a fail. Tried various extraction utilities under OS9, OSX 10.3, OSS 10.5. I am able to see the scanner under OSX system prefs, at least that worked. I do have lots of experience with drum scanners, and others, Scitex, Eversmart, Leaf Scan, etc. so I know how to work with SCSI devices. It's just I can't even extract ColorGenius. So, I'll just put it out there, I would really appreciate some direction on how to obtain a serial number. If I could buy it from Screen I would consider that but from what I read here that's not an option. Help!

Cheers,
Ned

[TC542]

I hate to have to resort to this but. I'm another person that just acquired a Cezanne Elite and as it turns out, no software. Thought it was on the computer that came with it, but it's not. No software, no serial number, nothing. Do I have a boat anchor? The scanner looks to be in great shape, boots to the green home screen. The platin is it 8+ shape, has the film hold down thing and the white calibration strip looks new.

At a minimum, I wanted to at least install the software to see if I could run the maintenance program to check for errors, no luck. I used the internet archive to get to the screen download page but nothing I try will extract the .hqx file. I've tried stuffit expander, it barfs, 7-zip chokes, Archive utility didn't work, binhex was a fail. Tried various extraction utilities under OS9, OSX 10.3, OSS 10.5. I am able to see the scanner under OSX system prefs, at least that worked. I do have lots of experience with drum scanners, and others, Scitex, Eversmart, Leaf Scan, etc. so I know how to work with SCSI devices. It's just I can't even extract ColorGenius. So, I'll just put it out there, I would really appreciate some direction on how to obtain a serial number. If I could buy it from Screen I would consider that but from what I read here that's not an option. Help!

Cheers,
Ned

Hi Ned . . . . I am sure that there is nopont is trying to extract the 'hqx' files . . These are a special SCREEN protected file.

What you need is a full copy of CG EX. . . You do not need to know a specific serial no. . . your Cezanne Elite is in effect the 'dongle'.
I have a couple of copies of the software that I saved for when working for SCREEN . . . You can have one . . (for a cost and postage)
Which version do you need . . . (Relative to a MacOS version . . ) . . ?
Where do you live?
Let me know . . .
BR, TC542

[nbagno]

I'm all sorted now, thanks for the help!


Hi Ned . . . . I am sure that there is nopont is trying to extract the 'hqx' files . . These are a special SCREEN protected file.

What you need is a full copy of CG EX. . . You do not need to know a specific serial no. . . your Cezanne Elite is in effect the 'dongle'.
I have a couple of copies of the software that I saved for when working for SCREEN . . . You can have one . . (for a cost and postage)
Which version do you need . . . (Relative to a MacOS version . . ) . . ?
Where do you live?
Let me know . . .
BR, TC542

[nbagno]

Been doing some C41 test scans and have been noticing that "raw" scans, that is, nothing in the finish cell has much more noise and is not as sharp as "standard." I've scanned multiple C41 slides, and the results are always the same. For the standard finish and my tests, I simply uncheck sharpening, not touching anything else. For the raw, I simply remove standard, but I do convert the raw scan in color perfect without any adjustments. I have the standard bed and been using the hold down ANR tray thing. I've even wetmounted using the ANR door from my old Scitex 342 and it's the same.

[nufua8]

hi, Can anyone point me to any information on the differences between the Cezanne vs Cezanne Elite?

[Peter De Smidt]

The Elite uses two bulbs instead of four, and it uses a different version of Colorgenius. Both are excellent.

[nbagno]

hi, Can anyone point me to any information on the differences between the Cezanne vs Cezanne Elite?

The notable difference is the Elite scans about twice as fast.

Cezanne Max density 3.9, Elite 4.2
Scanning speed: Cezanne 54 scans/hour (35mm @ 350 dpi and 400% magnification). 47 scans/hour (6x7cm @ 300 dpi 250% magnification).
Scanning speed: Cezanne Elite: 104 scans/hour (35mm @ 350 dpi and 400% magnification) 94 scans/hour (6x7cm @ 300 dpi 250% magnification).

[nufua8]

thanks for the info, speed isnt too much of an issue for me and the dmax doesnt look to be too different so I might take a look at the cezanne

[Peter De Smidt]

In the Seybold comparison test, the original Cezanne slightly out-performed the Elite.

[nbagno]

In the Seybold comparison test, the original Cezanne slightly out-performed the Elite.

Is that the paid report? I've only seen the one with the Cezanne, not elite. Is there a link? I would love to read it. Thanks.

[Peter De Smidt]

I used to have a pdf, but that was a long time ago. I'll look. The quality differences between the Cezanne and the Elite are minor, and as you say the Elite is significantly faster.

Here's Part 1: http://www.kar.fi/Skannaus/pixelperfect2_seybold_2000_vol30_nro1.pdf

Here's Part II: https://www.kar.fi/Skannaus/pixelperfect1_part2_seybold_1999_vol28_nro11.pdf

[nbagno]

I used to have a pdf, but that was a long time ago. I'll look. The quality differences between the Cezanne and the Elite are minor, and as you say the Elite is significantly faster.

Here's Part 1: http://www.kar.fi/Skannaus/pixelperfect2_seybold_2000_vol30_nro1.pdf

Here's Part II: https://www.kar.fi/Skannaus/pixelperfect1_part2_seybold_1999_vol28_nro11.pdf

Thanks so much!

[Kaka]

Hi everyone.

I recently scanned a color neg (as positive) and got some nasty artifacts (see attached image). Just wondering if any of you has seen this sort of stuff before. Scanned at 5300 dpi, no sharpening, no curve adjustment, setup set to standard. I'd appreciate any hint on what may be causing the excessive noise in the flat areas (1), and what looks like line skipping (2). You may need to download and look at the attached image at 100% or larger to see the issues.

Thank you so much!

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[Peter De Smidt]

My guess is that the linear motion system is not working smoothly. Another option is that there's some issues with the data transfer systems.

[Kaka]

My guess is that the linear motion system is not working smoothly. Another option is that there's some issues with the data transfer systems.

Hi Peter, thank you very much for your comment. You might be right about the linear motion system. I had to open the scanner and put one of the two steel bars back into place. It had slipped out from one of the brackets that keeps it in place (see 1 in the attached image). While doing that, I noticed there was grease applied to those steel bars. I guess adding more lubricant may help.

As for the weird line artifacts in the previous image, the excessive number of lines in the sky area is something I can't explain.

For the weird wiggly lines in area (2) of the image i posted previously, I wonder if this has to do with how fast the data is coming off the scanner before being saved to the mac. It took something like 40min to scan 35mm frame at 5300dpi. I know there is a control for how fast the XY head moves in ColorGenius' preferences. I'm just not sure what the default speed needs to be, or if that speed needs to pair up well with the Mac's data bus, to avoid data being buffered before it's written out to disk. Would any of you know anything about that?

Lastly, the Cezanne has 5 rubber feet. I'm only affixed 4 of them and left out the 5th (the one in the middle of the scanner's bottom, (2) circled in red) when lifting the scanner onto its new table. I don't think this affects anything, but I wonder if not having that foot there introduces some minor bending to the scanner's base, which may affect how straight the steel rails remain inside the scanner. Maybe that small amount of bend might cause the XY mechanism to grip in certain places, leading the lines I'm seeing in the scan?

I'd appreciate any insights.

Thank you!
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[Peter De Smidt]

A friendly chap who used to be a Screen technician has posted in this thread. I'd send him a pm or email. He also gave a how-to on how to safely open the scanner and apply lubricant. Sorry I can't be of more help.

[Corran]

Lastly, the Cezanne has 5 rubber feet. I'm only affixed 4 of them and left out the 5th (the one in the middle of the scanner's bottom, (2) circled in red) when lifting the scanner onto its new table. I don't think this affects anything, but I wonder if not having that foot there introduces some minor bending to the scanner's base, which may affect how straight the steel rails remain inside the scanner. Maybe that small amount of bend might cause the XY mechanism to grip in certain places, leading the lines I'm seeing in the scan?



This is definitely an issue. Can also happen when the table you have your scanner on is not rigid enough for the scanner. I went through this quite a bit with my scanner when new (to me!) and I had it on a much too flimsy folding table. Find something to support the center for sure, and make sure the whole scanner is well supported.

[Kaka]

This is definitely an issue. Can also happen when the table you have your scanner on is not rigid enough for the scanner. I went through this quite a bit with my scanner when new (to me!) and I had it on a much too flimsy folding table. Find something to support the center for sure, and make sure the whole scanner is well supported.

Thanks for that. Did not having a central rubber foot or the flimsy table affect the quality of your scans and produce the same issues visible in the cropped section I uploaded the other day?

[Kaka]

A friendly chap who used to be a Screen technician has posted in this thread. I'd send him a pm or email. He also gave a how-to on how to safely open the scanner and apply lubricant. Sorry I can't be of more help.

Thanks, I'll try to find out who he/she was. There are many messages :)

[Corran]

Thanks for that. Did not having a central rubber foot or the flimsy table affect the quality of your scans and produce the same issues visible in the cropped section I uploaded the other day?

As I said, I had exactly that issue you showed, with kind of rainbow-colored lines where the scanner is hitching I think on the rails due to the sagging.

Put something up under the scanner to support the center and try again.

[Peter De Smidt]

And if you hear strange grinding/binding type noises when the scanner moves the carriage, carefully clean the rails/linear motion parts, and put a tiny bit of light machine oil on the appropriate parts, but try Bryan's suggestion first!

[Kaka]

As I said, I had exactly that issue you showed, with kind of rainbow-colored lines where the scanner is hitching I think on the rails due to the sagging. Put something up under the scanner to support the center and try again.

Thank you! Will try that later today.

[Kaka]

And if you hear strange grinding/binding type noises when the scanner moves the carriage, carefully clean the rails/linear motion parts, and put a tiny bit of light machine oil on the appropriate parts, but try Bryan's suggestion first!

There were loud noises when I turned on the scanner again after having pulled it out of storage. I had to reset the steel bars that guide the sensor/lens unit. Will report back after I try Bryan's suggestion and also apply some lubricant.

Thanks again.

[Corran]

Good luck. I use simple sewing machine oil found at Walmart, which seems to work okay.

[nbagno]

If you already have WD 40 laying around, you can spray that into a jar and wait a couple of days for the crap to settle to the bottom. The nice clean machine oil will be on top.


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[Peter De Smidt]

Go light on the oil! I used sewing machine oil. I put a drop on a cotton cloth and applied to the rails. I put a small drop in a couple of areas where the linear bearing's are, and on the shafts of some of the pulleys....but very little! It took a while, but eventually the louder noises went away.

[TC542]

Hi All . . .
Just like to say that some information is correct . . But some is incorrect.
Definitely need a sturdy table to stand the scanner on . . (One that folds away is useless . . .!!)
The machine stands on 3 feet . . .(Not 5!!) . .This gives the machine stability, even on a slightly uneven surface.
SCREEN supplied 3 rubber feet for these feet. Later machines had special rubber feet with metal support.

If anyone has removed the rails, or had to re-position them, they will need a special 'Glass Jig' supplied by SCREEN to calibrate the whole system.
(Same applies to any optics, mechanisms or sensors moved. )
I tried to get one of these jigs from my Japanese SCREEN contact . . No luck . . :-(

If things are moved I would expect to see 'stitching' of image and focusing issues.

Hope this helps . . . BR, TC542

[Corran]

??

Both my machines have 4 feet, not 3. I thought they had 5 but I misremembered after the previous comment. I definitely had sag issues due to the table not handling the weight, way back when I got the scanner originally.

Currently, I use a very heavy, 6-person dining table for my scanner, which nicely fits the scanner with the "wing" sticking out to the left and a 24" monitor for the Mac along with keyboard/mouse to the right.

[TC542]

??

Both my machines have 4 feet, not 3. I thought they had 5 but I misremembered after the previous comment. I definitely had sag issues due to the table not handling the weight, way back when I got the scanner originally.

Currently, I use a very heavy, 6-person dining table for my scanner, which nicely fits the scanner with the "wing" sticking out to the left and a 24" monitor for the Mac along with keyboard/mouse to the right.

Hi . . .
Here is a picture attached of the 3 feet that my FT-S5500 scanner sits on . . .
Regards, TC542

[Corran]

Must be a change from the 5000 model. Both of mine have 4 circular feet.

[Peter De Smidt]

My 5000 has 4 as well.

[FloydPhill]

Hi folks,

Quick question as I try and diagnose an issue with my 5000. I have been getting small artifacts running across the short side of the scanning bed. I have cleaned the machine, lubricated the rails, and done by best to assure the SCCI connections are good. The calibration strip is clean, however it does have small scratches on either end. Although its condition hasn't changed much since when I first came into possession of the scanner.
The artifacts seem to appear no matter where on the bed I place the film.Tho it seems to be more pronounced near the center of the bed.

5000 dpi at the center of the bed
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5000 dpi top left of bed
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A secondary issue I have noticed is the tray not returning to its default position. Instead coming about a quarter inch short of the right hand side of the scanners inside edge. I haven't yet found any info in the maintenance manuals I have but I will come back and update if I find anything. I was able to test the motors with the FT- Maintainer app, all test came back as OK. My install has one FT maintainer app and another Super maintainer app - which happens to be password protected..

Anybody got any ideas here?

[FloydPhill]

My 5000, manufactured June 99' has four circular feet.

[Clickwrr]

Hi All, just wondering if anyone has the firmware updates for the 5500 that i can have a copy of pls. I am after V2.05 on. Also, do these need to be incrementally installed or can I skip a few, or latest relevant version for OS?

Thanks in advance

Bruce

[Peter De Smidt]

Go to the Screen download site. Read the readme files. You must go in a specific order...

[Clickwrr]

Hi Peter, thanks for the reply, but Screen appear to have moved the files to somewhere else on their website (Japan), which is why I am asking for the files. I can get some files from my old links, so they are still on the website/server, but I cannot find the pages via website menus.

[Peter De Smidt]

You've tried the wayback machine?

[Clickwrr]

Yes, could not find any download files

[nbagno]

Yes, could not find any download files

Just checked, still there. Try this link save it :-) https://web.archive.org/web/20180710020027/http://www.screen.co.jp/ga_dtp/en/download/

[Clickwrr]

Nbagno, many thanks

[Ivan Shpak]

Hello everybody!
Not so long ago I got a cezanne fт-s5000 scanner, but there is no software for it, maybe someone could share it for me.
All I could download on the web archive are updates, but not the Color Genius EX itself.

I will be very grateful to someone who will help me, I saved this scanner from destruction and was almost thrown away.
He still has to do a good job and scan a lot of great films.

My Email: ishpakmail@gmail.com

[FloydPhill]

Hello Ivan.

I will email you a link to a google drive folder with the files you need.

[Ivan Shpak]

Hello Ivan.

I will email you a link to a google drive folder with the files you need.

THANK YOU!

Question about lamps, which analogs are suitable?

[Clickwrr]

Question on Cezanne lamps. I've Peter's suggestion of LED strips; I was wondering if anyone has used or tried a LED COB strip, which can be purchased with a higher light/m strip than LEDs. Any thoughts on them?
While I'm here, anyone know the voltage supplied to the standard lamp carrier?

Thanks

Bruce

[TC542]

Question on Cezanne lamps. I've Peter's suggestion of LED strips; I was wondering if anyone has used or tried a LED COB strip, which can be purchased with a higher light/m strip than LEDs. Any thoughts on them?
While I'm here, anyone know the voltage supplied to the standard lamp carrier?

Thanks

Bruce
Hi Bruce . . .
Don't know the voltage at the lamp mounts due to the 'Inverter' voltage needed for the standard lamps.
But the voltage at the supply connector to the inverter, Yellow and Black cables, is 24V.
Yellow = +24V
Black =24VE . . .(Ground)

Hope this helps . . .

[Clickwrr]

Thanks TC

[plantaspress]

Hello Ivan.

I will email you a link to a google drive folder with the files you need.

Hi FloydPhill — would it be possible for you to share the GDrive with me as well? Same situation as Ivan.

[Corran]

Hello fellow Cezanne users! You may find this instructional to make custom hold-down plates of use, especially for ULF film scanning:

https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?162210

[Peter De Smidt]

Fancy! I just use tape for a handle. I like the metal angle idea. P99 works great, but it is more fragile, in my experience, than the original Screen bed. That's more important when using P99 as the scanning bed. I use thicker p99, as the weight helps hold things flat.

[Corran]

Oh yeah, I forgot to say I use the 1/8" P99. Do you have something thicker? I wondered if thicker would cause issues.

I also use P99 for framing with good results. Just got a small piece for an original Clyde Butcher print I bought in December. Non-glare facing out - looks better than standard glass.

[Peter De Smidt]

I'll check. I think I used 1/4". I certainly did so for the bed. I bet the big film you use lies pretty flat anyway.

[Corran]

Yep it does. The weights are only really needed when scanning several rolls of 35mm which all are curling and pressing up against the plate.