OX 9.2.2 on a G5?

[Kirk Gittings]

I'm finally getting around to setting up a computer to run my Creo Eversmart. A G4 someone gave me croaked. The scanner requires a scsi card and the scanner software I need to use will not run on OSX. I have a line on a really good G5. Any thoughts? I'm guessing no?

[Allen Rumme]

Kirk,

G5's cannot boot OS 9, but can run OS 9 applications in the "Classic Environment". The only way to know if your app will run successfully is to load it and give it a try. Getting a SCSI card to function on the G5 should work, but I've had trouble in the past. I'm not sure though if it was the card or the operator causing the problem.

Hope this helps.

[Ted Harris]

The SCSI card won't be the problem, as long as it is the right SCSI card. As Alan notes, the software could be a problem. If it will run in Classic mode then all is well. However, in your case it may also be a problem of incompatibility of the firmware with the G5 system.

This chart from Kodak should help: http://graphics1.kodak.com/us/product/scanners/professional_scanners/g5_macosx.htm

[jetcode]

I'm finally getting around to setting up a computer to run my Creo Eversmart. A G4 someone gave me croaked. The scanner requires a scsi card and the scanner software I need to use will not run on OSX. I have a line on a really good G5. Any thoughts? I'm guessing no?

I face the same dilemma with my scanner and the software upgrade to OS X runs $850 which I will eventually purchase. For now I am keeping my dual boot G4, upgrading to the fastest processor (the backplane is still 133mhz ouch!) and 1g of memory.

[Gordon Moat]

You could have a problem installing software. I found with some older software that I wanted to run that the old installer CD would not function, though when I drag copied the application off another older computer, the application ran without trouble.

In general, it is easier to go with 10.3.9, because by the 10.4 variations the Classic Environment became more broken. Unfortunately, I think all G5 computers came with some version of 10.4. The only real software workaround is doing drag copy instead of using an installer CD.

Another option for SCSI is the Ratoc FR1SX FireWire to SCSI converter. There are not many tested configurations, though this device seems to work with many scanners. Termination settings, and whether or not you need to optional power adapter, can be issues. There is also an FR1 Utility, which is not super user friendly at times. Definitely not ideal, but it does work.

Your other option is to get another G4, run it only as high as 10.3.9, and use that as a scanning station. You could network it to your primary computer, so the files would be easier to access when needed.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat Photography (http://www.gordonmoat.com)

[Bruce Watson]

I'm finally getting around to setting up a computer to run my Creo Eversmart. A G4 someone gave me croaked. The scanner requires a scsi card and the scanner software I need to use will not run on OSX. I have a line on a really good G5. Any thoughts? I'm guessing no?

You could call Baucom (http://www.baucomcomputers.com/) and get you another G4 maybe. So cheap it might be worth doing. If your failed G4's hard drive is OK, you could just get the "new" G4 from Baucom and swap out it's hard drive for your old one and boot the baby up maybe. I've done that with Macs. Never been so lucky with a PC though.

[Gene McCluney]

G5 Macs were definately released with earlier software than 10.4. When I got mine, it had 10.2 on it.

[Kirk Gittings]

Gene are you still checking your email?

[Jim Ewins]

Why would anyone wish to run OS9 on a newer machine?

[Kirk Gittings]

Because some of the older, still serviceable, professional scanners, which are now pennies on the original dollar, have software that will not run on anything newer than OX 9.2.2 or whatever OS was around when they obsolesced a piece of equipment and stopped updating the software. I was hoping, for space sake, to not have to set up yet another work station solely dedicated to the scanner.

[jetcode]

I'm finally getting around to setting up a computer to run my Creo Eversmart. A G4 someone gave me croaked. The scanner requires a scsi card and the scanner software I need to use will not run on OSX. I have a line on a really good G5. Any thoughts? I'm guessing no?

Kirk,

A bigger problem with OS9 software is that no monitor calibration tools exist for that OS that I now of. Another dilemma is finding a fast enough machine to run OS9. A 300+M scan with image processing can take 45 minutes on my current G4 (733Mhz).

Joe

[SamReeves]

Kirk,

A bigger problem with OS9 software is that no monitor calibration tools exist for that OS that I now of. Another dilemma is finding a fast enough machine to run OS9. A 300+M scan with image processing can take 45 minutes on my current G4 (733Mhz).

Joe

My old Eye One Match worked with OS 9. :confused:

[sanking]

Kirk,

A bigger problem with OS9 software is that no monitor calibration tools exist for that OS that I now of. Another dilemma is finding a fast enough machine to run OS9. A 300+M scan with image processing can take 45 minutes on my current G4 (733Mhz).

Joe



Joe,

That seems a bit long to me. Most of the 5X7 files that I process on the G4 (same speed processor also) are around 400 mb and I can usually finish one in fifteen minutes or so. Generally each major operation, say a curve or level change, takes on the order of 1.5 minutes for me with this size file. Sometimes a slow down can result from the way the files are stored on the hard disk. There are utilities that can be used clean up the drive.

If the file is much larger than 500 mb I will transfer it to a CD or DVD and work on it on the Intel Mac with CS3.


Sandy King

[jetcode]

My old Eye One Match worked with OS 9. :confused:

want to sell it?

[jetcode]

Joe,

That seems a bit long to me. Most of the 5X7 files that I process on the G4 (same speed processor also) are around 400 mb and I can usually finish one in fifteen minutes or so. Generally each major operation, say a curve or level change, takes on the order of 1.5 minutes for me with this size file. Sometimes a slow down can result from the way the files are stored on the hard disk. There are utilities that can be used clean up the drive.

If the file is much larger than 500 mb I will transfer it to a CD or DVD and work on it on the Intel Mac with CS3.


Sandy King


How much RAM do you have Sandy? The Cezanne works in two phases, the scan happens in the timeframe you suggest however the post processing takes quite a while. I am not sure where the image buffering is done or the exact transfer flow but I do know that I have 512M ram which is at the edge of being useful.

I do most all post processing except for setting highlights and shadows in CS2.

[sanking]

How much RAM do you have Sandy? The Cezanne works in two phases, the scan happens in the timeframe you suggest however the post processing takes quite a while. I am not sure where the image buffering is done or the exact transfer flow but I do know that I have 512M ram which is at the edge of being useful.

I do most all post processing except for setting highlights and shadows in CS2.

The RAM in my G4 is maxed out at 1.5 gig. I think that increasing RAM from 512 meg to to 1.5 gig would definitely increase processing speed.

Sandy

[Kirk Gittings]

There is an upgrade for my Eversmart that converts it to firewire, the 3.5 software (which I already have) and allows it to use a G5 TO 10.3. Kodak has not returned my inquiries. Does anyone have any knowledge of this?

[sanking]

There is an upgrade for my Eversmart that converts it to firewire, the 3.5 software (which I already have) and allows it to use a G5 TO 10.3. Kodak has not returned my inquiries. Does anyone have any knowledge of this?

No, I don't have any specific information about this particular upgrade. However, based on other pricing I have seen for similar types of upgrades I think you will find that the upgrade will cost more than you paid for your scanner. For example, cost of hardware upgrade to convert my EverSmart Pro to Pro II status, which would allow use of Firewire and oXYgen software, is $5000.

BTW, do you have the number for Kodak Inside Sales? If not, that is 800-929-9209, and you want to ask for Dee Harper.

Sandy King

[Ted Harris]

Kirk,

I'll check with the distributor tomorrow. Will likely get an answer quicker than from Kodak.

[Roger Krueger]

It also matters what G5 you're looking at. The dual-core models made after some point in 2005 have PCI-Express, which is not backwards compatible with "old" PCI.

The hottest factory-config 9.2.2 machines were the mirrored-drive-door models. But not all of them would boot 9.2.2 (I think machines with FW400 did, FW800 didn't, but I'm far from sure), and they required a special version of 9.2.2 to be able to use the internal ATA-100 bus. (Although they could be run off the generally unused internal ATA-66 bus with a vanilla 9.2.2).

You can get faster clock speeds by adding an accelerater to an earlier G4 (Powerlogix has a dual 1.8), but with their slow bus and memory you might not end up very far ahead.

[John Barnes]

Hi guys

I had this issue when I was given a LeafScan 45. Since I really did want to use the thing. I first set up a G3 tower as a dedicated scanner machine. I toyed around with the idea of using a switch to use the same monitor for both machines but then decided on a Vuesonic 17 inch for the G3. Later I decide that I would dual boot my G4 DA using two hard drives rather that two partitions. BTW I found that you can go over the limit of 1.5gb of ram in the machine and install 2GB and the machine will recognize and access all of the ram.

Both methods worked however as scan time was 15~20 mins I felt that having the G3 allowed me to continue to work on the G4 without waiting for the scan to finish. I networked both machines for file transfer.

John

[Peter De Smidt]

Kirk,

A bigger problem with OS9 software is that no monitor calibration tools exist for that OS that I now of. Another dilemma is finding a fast enough machine to run OS9. A 300+M scan with image processing can take 45 minutes on my current G4 (733Mhz).

Joe

My G4 dual boots 9.2 (for the scanner) and 10.3. I used a Spyder 3 in 10.3 to calibrate the monitor. I then copied the monitor profile to the the proper place in 9.2, and all is well.