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Gene McCluney
5-Nov-2007, 13:28
Chamonix...is it Shame-on-ix, or Shame-on-a?

Sinar....is it Sigh-nar, or See-nar?

just curious.

BrianShaw
5-Nov-2007, 13:30
Retina: Rhet-teen-ah; Rhet-tine-ah; or Ret-in-a?

Michael Graves
5-Nov-2007, 13:33
Can't help you with Chamonix, but Dean Collins always pronounced it See'-nar in his videos.

My questions is this. Is it reh-buhl ex-tee or peace uv krap?

David A. Goldfarb
5-Nov-2007, 13:36
Americans usually say SIGH-nar, but I suspect in French it's see-NAR, and in German SEE-nar.

tim atherton
5-Nov-2007, 13:39
Brits tend to say Ni-kon (short "i" as in sit) N. Americans tend to say Niikon (long "i" as in eye)

Daniel_Buck
5-Nov-2007, 13:39
Interesting thread, I was wondering about two myself: (being that most of what i learn is either read, or figured out myself and rarely ever spoken to in person or on the phone)

Linhof: is Lin pronounced LINE? or LIN with a short i? (like lint) is hof pronounced OFF or HOFF with the H, or OF like the word of?

Tachihara: is it Tak-eh-hara? Is the CH pronounced as K or as CH or SH? I assume the I isn't pronounced EYE, but rather as a soft i?

john collins
5-Nov-2007, 13:40
I believe that it's Sham o nee.

Bob Salomon
5-Nov-2007, 13:48
What is your mother language? It makes a big difference in how it is pronounced.

Take Gepe. Gepe is the name that is formed when the founder's first and last initials are joined together into a word. His initials are G.P.

Depending on your mother language this results in many different pronunciations. He is Swedish.

Rakesh Malik
5-Nov-2007, 13:49
Being a French name, Chamonix would be pronounced "shah mo ni" as mentioned in the previous post (just confirming, I studied quite a bit of French language in high school :)).

The "ch" in Tachihara would be hard, as in "chi." Japanese is relatively easy to Romanize because it's phonetic to begin with, so there is a character for "shi" and a different character for "chi."

Ken Lee
5-Nov-2007, 14:09
According to my native German-speaking neighbor, Sinar is pronounced see-nar.

Zeiss is pronounced like tseiss.

Jena is pronounced Yay-na.

So Carl Zeiss Jena is more like Car-el Tseiss Yay-na.

At fault here is the English language, which has a random assortment of spelling "rules".

Give me Sanskrit any day. A Aa E Ee U Uu...

Paul Ewins
5-Nov-2007, 14:38
Hmm, looks around the room, Pentax, Kodak, Graflex, Burke and James, nope no problem here :)

coroner12
5-Nov-2007, 14:50
And just think Ken, English is a Germanic language.

Ole Tjugen
5-Nov-2007, 15:29
Funny, I never realised there could be a problem. :)

Then again I speak Norwegian, English, German, and a little French, Italian and Russian - and only English pronunciation has ever given me difficulties. :p

Oren Grad
5-Nov-2007, 15:38
Brits tend to say Ni-kon (short "i" as in sit) N. Americans tend to say Niikon (long "i" as in eye)

And in Japanese, Nikon is written phonetically, and spoken, as nee-kon.

Lee Hamiel
5-Nov-2007, 16:14
From:

http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/pronounce.html

"accura - AH kyoo ruh
Adox - AY docks
Aetna - etna
Agfa - AHG fuh
Aires - EYE ress
Angenieux - ahn jhen YEW
Asahi - AH sa hee
Atoron - AH toe run
Baia - bah EE ah
Beaulieu - bowl YEW
Berthiot - bear tee YO
Beseler - BESS ler
Bewi - BEE wee
Bilora - bee LAU ra
Bolex - BO lecks
Braun - brown
Bronica - bu RON i ca
Brovira - bro VIE ruh
Canon - cannon
capro - CAP ro
Carena - kuh REE nuh
Cinovid - SEE no vid
Contarex - CON ta recks
Copal - CO pah ru
Cosina - co SHEE na
Dacora - dah CO ruh
De Jur - duh Jhoor
Eclair - ay Clare
Edixa - eh DICK suh
Eumig - OY mig
Exakta - egg ZOCK tuh
Ehrenreich - AY ren reyesh
Fujica - FOO jee kuh
Fuji - FOO jee
Gevaert - GAY vart
Gitzo - JIT so
Gossen - GAH sin
Hasselblad - HAH sill blahd
Heitz - heights
Hektor - HECK tore
Heurtier - ER tee ay
Hexanon - heh KSA non
Hologon - ho lah GOAN
Horizont - go rih ZONT
Icarex - EE kar ecks
Ihagee - ee HAH gay
Jena - YAY nuh
Kako - KAH ko
Kilar - KEE lahr
Kindermann - KIN der mahn
Kodak - co DAK
Komura - KO mu ra
Konica - KO nee ca
Kowa - KO wa
Leica - LIE kuh
Leicina - lie SEE nuh
Leitz - lights
Liesegang - LEE zuh gahng
Linhof - LIN hof
Lubitel - LOO bih tsill
Mamiya - MA mee yah
Marubeni - mah roo BEH nee
Meopta - may OP tuh
Miida - mee EE da
Minolta - mi no ROO ta
Minox - MIH nocks
Miranda - mee Rahn duh
Mirrotach - mir ro TATCH
multimage - mult ee MAHJ
nikkor - nih KO roo
nikkormat - nih ko ru MAH toe
nikon - NIH kone
Nizo - NIT so
Norita - NO ree ta
Olympus - o LIM pus
omega - o MAY guh
omnica - OM nih kuh
Opemus - o PAY muss
Optima - op TEE muh
Orwo - OR vo
Paillard - PIE yare
Pentax - pen TOCK soo
Pentacon - PEN tuh kahn
Petri - pe TO ri
Photomic - fo TAH mick
Perkeo - PEAR kee o
Planar - PLAH nahr
Pradovit - prah doe VIT
Praktica - prack TEE kuh
Praktisix - PRACK ti six
Regula - re GOO luh
Ricoh - ree CO
Rodenstock - RO den shtock
Rokkor - ro KAW roo
Rokunar - RO koo nar
Rolleiflex - RO lie flecks
Rowi - RO wee
Sakura - sa KOO ra
Samigon - SAH me gahn
Sankyo - sahn KYO
Schneider - SHNEYE der
Sekonica - say KO nih koo
Sekor - say KO roo
Sinar - SEE nar
Soligor - SO lee gore
Sonnar - so Nahr
Spiratone - SPY ra tone
Steinheil - SHTINE highl
Summicron - SOO mih crahn
Summilux - SOO mih looks
Susis - SOO see
Switar - SWEE tar
Takumar - TAH ku mah
Tamron - ta MU ron
Technika - tek NEE kuh
Telesar - TEL eh sahr
Telyt - tay LIT
Tessar - TEH sahr
Tessina - teh SEE nuh
Topcon - TO poo kon
Toshiba - TO shee ba
Ultima - OOL tee muh
Visoflex - VEE zo flecks
Vivitar - VIH vee tahr
Voigtlander - FAWCHT lahn der
Wratten - RAH tin
Xenar - ZEE nahr
Xenon - ZEE non
Yashica - YAH she Ka
Yashinon - YAH she known
Zeiss Ikon - tsice EE cone
Zenit - zeh NEAT
Zorki - ZOR kee
Zuiko - zoo ee KOH

Adapted from pp. 16, 76, June 1974, Modern Photography, David Miller."

I still pronounce things the way I've said them for years ...

Michael Graves
5-Nov-2007, 18:05
Somebody has WAY too much time on his hands.



From:

http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/pronounce.html

"accura - AH kyoo ruh
Adox - AY docks
Aetna - etna
Agfa - AHG fuh
Aires - EYE ress
Angenieux - ahn jhen YEW
Asahi - AH sa hee
Atoron - AH toe run
Baia - bah EE ah
Beaulieu - bowl YEW
Berthiot - bear tee YO
Beseler - BESS ler
Bewi - BEE wee
Bilora - bee LAU ra
Bolex - BO lecks
Braun - brown
Bronica - bu RON i ca
Brovira - bro VIE ruh
Canon - cannon
capro - CAP ro
Carena - kuh REE nuh
Cinovid - SEE no vid
Contarex - CON ta recks
Copal - CO pah ru
Cosina - co SHEE na
Dacora - dah CO ruh
De Jur - duh Jhoor
Eclair - ay Clare
Edixa - eh DICK suh
Eumig - OY mig
Exakta - egg ZOCK tuh
Ehrenreich - AY ren reyesh
Fujica - FOO jee kuh
Fuji - FOO jee
Gevaert - GAY vart
Gitzo - JIT so
Gossen - GAH sin
Hasselblad - HAH sill blahd
Heitz - heights
Hektor - HECK tore
Heurtier - ER tee ay
Hexanon - heh KSA non
Hologon - ho lah GOAN
Horizont - go rih ZONT
Icarex - EE kar ecks
Ihagee - ee HAH gay
Jena - YAY nuh
Kako - KAH ko
Kilar - KEE lahr
Kindermann - KIN der mahn
Kodak - co DAK
Komura - KO mu ra
Konica - KO nee ca
Kowa - KO wa
Leica - LIE kuh
Leicina - lie SEE nuh
Leitz - lights
Liesegang - LEE zuh gahng
Linhof - LIN hof
Lubitel - LOO bih tsill
Mamiya - MA mee yah
Marubeni - mah roo BEH nee
Meopta - may OP tuh
Miida - mee EE da
Minolta - mi no ROO ta
Minox - MIH nocks
Miranda - mee Rahn duh
Mirrotach - mir ro TATCH
multimage - mult ee MAHJ
nikkor - nih KO roo
nikkormat - nih ko ru MAH toe
nikon - NIH kone
Nizo - NIT so
Norita - NO ree ta
Olympus - o LIM pus
omega - o MAY guh
omnica - OM nih kuh
Opemus - o PAY muss
Optima - op TEE muh
Orwo - OR vo
Paillard - PIE yare
Pentax - pen TOCK soo
Pentacon - PEN tuh kahn
Petri - pe TO ri
Photomic - fo TAH mick
Perkeo - PEAR kee o
Planar - PLAH nahr
Pradovit - prah doe VIT
Praktica - prack TEE kuh
Praktisix - PRACK ti six
Regula - re GOO luh
Ricoh - ree CO
Rodenstock - RO den shtock
Rokkor - ro KAW roo
Rokunar - RO koo nar
Rolleiflex - RO lie flecks
Rowi - RO wee
Sakura - sa KOO ra
Samigon - SAH me gahn
Sankyo - sahn KYO
Schneider - SHNEYE der
Sekonica - say KO nih koo
Sekor - say KO roo
Sinar - SEE nar
Soligor - SO lee gore
Sonnar - so Nahr
Spiratone - SPY ra tone
Steinheil - SHTINE highl
Summicron - SOO mih crahn
Summilux - SOO mih looks
Susis - SOO see
Switar - SWEE tar
Takumar - TAH ku mah
Tamron - ta MU ron
Technika - tek NEE kuh
Telesar - TEL eh sahr
Telyt - tay LIT
Tessar - TEH sahr
Tessina - teh SEE nuh
Topcon - TO poo kon
Toshiba - TO shee ba
Ultima - OOL tee muh
Visoflex - VEE zo flecks
Vivitar - VIH vee tahr
Voigtlander - FAWCHT lahn der
Wratten - RAH tin
Xenar - ZEE nahr
Xenon - ZEE non
Yashica - YAH she Ka
Yashinon - YAH she known
Zeiss Ikon - tsice EE cone
Zenit - zeh NEAT
Zorki - ZOR kee
Zuiko - zoo ee KOH

Adapted from pp. 16, 76, June 1974, Modern Photography, David Miller."

I still pronounce things the way I've said them for years ...

BrianShaw
5-Nov-2007, 19:50
"Copal - CO pah ru"

really?

Dirk Rösler
5-Nov-2007, 21:33
"Copal - CO pah ru"

really?


ru is the Japanese "L", the u is almost silent when at the end

BradS
5-Nov-2007, 21:43
See-nar...? (bah, I'm gonna stick to sin-are)

And, what about Wisner? Whiz-ner? or, wise-ner?

Robert A. Zeichner
5-Nov-2007, 22:02
Some 45 years ago a now deceased amateur filmmaker friend of mine made a short about two people filming along the Seine. They were hand holding their 8mm cameras while slowly walking backward when they finally bumped into each other. After quickly turning face to face, the man said " Ah, I see you have Bolex!" The woman replied "Zay are not, my legs are perfectly straight!".

Eric James
6-Nov-2007, 00:12
More funny business:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1365353836237246497

SAShruby
6-Nov-2007, 00:32
Well, maybe in the future we wouln't have text only forums, but voice ones as well.;)

Struan Gray
6-Nov-2007, 01:13
Chamonix...is it Shame-on-ix, or Shame-on-a?

Just to stir the pot: in Chamonix itself, they pronounce the 'x'.

Duane Polcou
6-Nov-2007, 01:44
Mas ter Tech ni ka is pronounced Mas ter Card max out

Rakesh Malik
6-Nov-2007, 09:49
Just to stir the pot: in Chamonix itself, they pronounce the 'x'.

Really? That's unexpected. Of course, I haven't been to Chamonix myself, so there you go :)

Daniel Grenier
6-Nov-2007, 10:51
Go with SHAH-MO-NICKS and you'll be fine (SHAH-MO-KNEE for those wanting a silent X.) Gotta wonder how the Chinese makers of this camera actually pronounce the name of it, though.

Struan Gray
6-Nov-2007, 11:51
Really? That's unexpected. Of course, I haven't been to Chamonix myself, so there you go :)

Worth a trip, although Chamonix itself is a sad touristification of a French town. Croque Monsieur on every corner, and English Pubs by the dozen. Things get nicer further up the valley, especially in Argentiere where the briocherie alone is worth a visit.

Wasted youth :-)

The really odd thing, is that in old books and maps Chamonix appears as "Chamouni". The local pronunciation must be a relatively recent development. All the rest of France, and the world, leaves the 'x' silent.

For giggles, and to turn the tables, try getting a Frenchman to say "Wray Lustrar" ten times quickly.

Next up: "Niepce"...

Steve Feldman
6-Nov-2007, 12:31
And, of course, B & J is pronounced:

"B & J"

Rakesh Malik
6-Nov-2007, 12:49
Worth a trip, although Chamonix itself is a sad touristification of a French town. Croque Monsieur on every corner, and English Pubs by the dozen. Things get nicer further up the valley, especially in Argentiere where the briocherie alone is worth a visit.


Personally, I think that most anywhere in Europe is worth a visit, even though I've grown partial to Odessa and Kiev :)



The really odd thing, is that in old books and maps Chamonix appears as "Chamouni". The local pronunciation must be a relatively recent development. All the rest of France, and the world, leaves the 'x' silent.


Maybe the folks in Chamonix drink too much ;)

vijayn
6-Nov-2007, 23:46
Yes! I second that - but Ken, did you learn Sanskrit? For those familiar with language theory, it is a CFG that can be easily described with a Backus Naur (perhaps Panini Backus) form. What more can you ask from a natural language?


Give me Sanskrit any day. A Aa E Ee U Uu...

Anthony Lewis
7-Nov-2007, 00:16
In Australia I bought a Sinar and pronouced it 'sin-nar'. I was corrected to 'see-nar' by the professionals. I wanted to sound as if I knew what I was doing so I changed to see-nar. When you have no substance, impressions are everything - I think I'll make that my motto!
I can't even say "scheimpflug". Can anyone help?

Bernard Kaye
8-Nov-2007, 13:18
Alix pronounced her name "Alique or Aleke". Asterix The Gaul is "Asterique or Astereke" The Gaul. Is the camera to end in "ique or eke", I do not know.

Paul Butler
9-Nov-2007, 05:22
Yes, "Zeiss Ikon - tsice EE cone" and just to confirm, the Zeiss people got the greek "Ikon" correct, my Greek mother-in-law paints them.

Meanwhile, I am sure that this is the correct German pronunciation:
"Voigtlander - FAWCHT lahn der"
But, it is "HAY lee ar", correct?

Keith Clementson
9-Nov-2007, 10:31
Everything in Wisconsin is pronounced Favre, except for Sade, which is pronounced chic - but I may be wrong about some of that, so don't hold me to it.

J. Patric Dahlen
16-Sep-2008, 09:35
:) Here are some names pronounced in swedish, that is very close to german:

Adox:
http://hem.bredband.net/jenspatricdahlen/adox.mp3

Agfa:
http://hem.bredband.net/jenspatricdahlen/agfa.mp3

Carl Zeiss:
http://hem.bredband.net/jenspatricdahlen/carlzeiss.mp3

Zeiss Ikon:
http://hem.bredband.net/jenspatricdahlen/zeissikon.mp3

Rollei:
http://hem.bredband.net/jenspatricdahlen/rollei.mp3

Voigtländer Heliar:
http://hem.bredband.net/jenspatricdahlen/voigtlanderheliar.mp3

Linhof:
http://hem.bredband.net/jenspatricdahlen/linhof.mp3

Hasselblad:
http://hem.bredband.net/jenspatricdahlen/hasselblad.mp3

Efke Fotokemika:
http://hem.bredband.net/jenspatricdahlen/efkefotokemika.mp3

cjbroadbent
16-Sep-2008, 12:26
......I can't even say "scheimpflug". Can anyone help?
Scheimpflug is for the birds. Forget it.

bbjorkum
16-Sep-2008, 14:37
In Sweden Mamiya is pronounced Mamaia, which means, AFAIC, I hate mom.

J. Patric Dahlen
16-Sep-2008, 15:54
In Sweden Mamiya is pronounced Mamaia, which means, AFAIC, I hate mom.In what language?

Orfitinho
16-Sep-2008, 16:47
I can't even say "scheimpflug".
SHAYM pflOOg

Jim Galli
16-Sep-2008, 19:44
Zsa Zsa Gabor. Goerz Dagor.

Glenn Thoreson
16-Sep-2008, 20:11
Jeez..... I knew there was a reason why I like Speed Graphics. :D

Rodney Polden
17-Sep-2008, 02:34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony Lewis
I can't even say "scheimpflug".

SHAYM pflOOg

Let's assume Mr Scheimpflug was German, can we? In that case, pronunciation would be more like:

SHIME pfloog (as in shine, and as in book).

One way to remember those -ei- and -ie- pronunciations in German names is with the old memory aid of Eisenhower and Diefenbaker. For English speakers, the last letter of the pair "says its name" (ei = I, and ie =E). Perhaps a dozen Mr Bernsteins will now tell me they pronounce it Burn-steen, but that ain't German.

J. Patric Dahlen
17-Sep-2008, 03:27
Zsa Zsa Gabor. Goerz Dagor.

Goerz Dagor:
http://hem.bredband.net/jenspatricdahlen/goerzdagor.mp3

Scheimpflug:
http://hem.bredband.net/jenspatricdahlen/scheimpflug.mp3

:)

Peter K
17-Sep-2008, 04:27
Let's assume Mr Scheimpflug was German, can we?
Theodor Scheimpflug (1865 - 1911) was artillery captain in the imperial Austrian army in the function of an ordnance mathematician.

bbjorkum
17-Sep-2008, 04:54
In what language?


In Japanese. I think Mamiya means something like "Between two castles".

John Alexander Dow
17-Sep-2008, 07:28
I've often wondered about the Kogaku part of Nippon Kogaku - is it pronounced "Kodak" perhaps?

W K Longcor
17-Sep-2008, 12:28
I'm not sure about all of the others -- but as far as Sinar Cameras -- Well, back in 1966 I was working in a studio owned by a Swiss gentleman, who was a personal friend of the inventor of the Sinar camera. One morning, I answered the telephone. At the other end a voice said " Hello, this is Carl Koch at SEE-NAR, Is Alfred there, please?" If anybody should know how to pronounce that name -- right?:cool:

Jim Jirka
17-Sep-2008, 14:08
Cam er ah nayms :p

bbjorkum
17-Sep-2008, 14:47
I've often wondered about the Kogaku part of Nippon Kogaku - is it pronounced "Kodak" perhaps?

Nippon is pronounced Nihon

Orfitinho
18-Sep-2008, 12:32
Let's assume Mr Scheimpflug was German, can we? In that case, pronunciation would be more like:
SHIME pfloog (as in shine, and as in book).


I agree, your explanation sounds perfect for me.
He was an austrian, but that makes no difference here.

Gerd

EuGene Smith
19-Sep-2008, 19:11
There sure were a lot of Kogakus in Japan, whatever they were.

Mi no ROO ta? Say WHUT?? Since they are *dead anyhoo, I think I will keep calling mine by the pronunciation Mi NOL tuh

* at least in the camera world

After 25 years of wrestling, cussing, and yet still loving the beasts, I pronounce the name B&J as "S&M";)

Daniel Casper Lohenstein
22-Sep-2018, 06:17
Interesting thread, I was wondering about two myself: (being that most of what i learn is either read, or figured out myself and rarely ever spoken to in person or on the phone)

Linhof: is Lin pronounced LINE? or LIN with a short i? (like lint) is hof pronounced OFF or HOFF with the H, or OF like the word of?

Tachihara: is it Tak-eh-hara? Is the CH pronounced as K or as CH or SH? I assume the I isn't pronounced EYE, but rather as a soft i?

Lynnhove

Greg Y
22-Sep-2018, 07:38
[QUOTE=Struan Gray;289307]Worth a trip, although Chamonix itself is a sad touristification of a French town. Croque Monsieur on every corner, and English Pubs by the dozen. Things get nicer further up the valley, especially in Argentiere where the briocherie alone is worth a visit.

Wasted youth :-)

The really odd thing, is that in old books and maps Chamonix appears as "Chamouni". The local pronunciation must be a relatively recent development. All the rest of France, and the world, leaves the 'x' silent.

Only people who are not native to Chamonix....pronounce the X. S Gray is correct in earlier times it commonly appears as Chamouni.

Tachihara . the ch pronounced as in cheese. short i
The Japanese language does not have the L sound, which is why Japanese people pronounce that sound with an r..... it's the closest sound.
However, in Japanese rules of anglicization, (unlike english) things are pronounced as they are written. Copal is a non Japanese word. A native english speaker & the Western world would pronounce it ko-pal . Nippon is pronounced as it is written.....so is nihon ....i.e. nee-hon. They are two distinctly sounding words with the identical meaning... Japan.