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Ken Lee
25-Oct-2007, 14:32
Has anyone heard of compatibility issues with Leopard and the tools that are typically used for scanning, printing, and imaging ?
For example, Photoshop, printer drivers, VueScan, Silverfast, etc. ?
If I find any, I'll post them here. I should have a copy soon.
Walter Calahan
25-Oct-2007, 15:03
Nope, but we'll surely learn them all soon. Grin.
Brian K
25-Oct-2007, 16:11
I won't switch to leopard until the first few bug fixes come out, usually within a month of the new OS release.
Gordon Moat
25-Oct-2007, 19:10
The Ratoc FR1SX FireWire to SCSI adapter.
Ciao!
Gordon Moat
A G Studio
Ted Harris
25-Oct-2007, 19:12
My copy will be arriving tomorrow. I'll install it on one or two puters but not the main workstation or the scanner machine in the studio. Like Brian, will wait and see a bit.
A minor rant. For the first time Apple is NOT shipping a disc that you can load on as many puters as you own. We have a six computer network so I had to buy a 'family pack' good for five machines. The sixth is strictly a calendar and address book server so it can wait. :(.
A minor rant. For the first time Apple is NOT shipping a disc that you can load on as many puters as you own. We have a six computer network so I had to buy a 'family pack' good for five machines. The sixth is strictly a calendar and address book server so it can wait. :(.
Well, yes, that's the idea. It was always supposed to be, but the honesty of the general public is usually commensurate with the level of security implemented. ;)
A family pack costs less than two individual disks. Apple is in the business of creating and selling computers and operating systems. I really don't see any reason to complain, that's as reasonable as they can get and still make some money for their trouble. Just compare it to Microsoft, quality-, design- and price-wise and have a good laugh... :D
Dirk Rösler
25-Oct-2007, 22:41
A minor rant. For the first time Apple is NOT shipping a disc that you can load on as many puters as you own. We have a six computer network so I had to buy a 'family pack' good for five machines. The sixth is strictly a calendar and address book server so it can wait. :(.
You could ask for a corporate site license :p
JW Dewdney
25-Oct-2007, 23:23
yeah- but think of it this way... it's SOOOO much cheaper than Windows Vista - NOT to mention the fact that it's actually WELL designed and implemented (something no windows product will likely EVER be under Gates) - in fact brilliantly so. If there were any OS ever worth paying for - it's OS X systemware.
Asher Kelman
25-Oct-2007, 23:52
I'll install it on just one MacTel computer. Then if it works fine I'll move it to another until all Intels, G5's, G4s and (??? G3 doubt it) are migrated.
I always try to wait a month or two and follow Macintouch.com MacNN.com and xlr8yourmac.com to learn from everyone elses tragedies before I risk my own disasters!
Asher
Ben Chase
25-Oct-2007, 23:59
yeah- but think of it this way... it's SOOOO much cheaper than Windows Vista - NOT to mention the fact that it's actually WELL designed and implemented (something no windows product will likely EVER be under Gates) - in fact brilliantly so. If there were any OS ever worth paying for - it's OS X systemware.
With it's core in FreeBSD, how can you go wrong? Best TCP stack out there! :)
I'll install it on just one MacTel computer. Then if it works fine I'll move it to another until all Intels, G5's, G4s and (??? G3 doubt it) are migrated.
I always try to wait a month or two and follow Macintouch.com MacNN.com and xlr8yourmac.com to learn from everyone elses tragedies before I risk my own disasters!
Asher
If you plan and backup properly, the only tragedy would be having to reinstall the old version and restore everything. With OS X figure one afternoon for both applications and data.
The trick for me is not to do the upgrade but clean install. I backup my data and all my program preferences into two identical, physically separate sets. Then wipe everything out, install the new OS, then reinstall the applications and finally restore the preferences and data.
It's more involved but I end up with a clean, fast system. I usually do this once a year, new OS or not, just for the sake of tuning up. It is also a good opportunity to create a complete backup.
Asher Kelman
26-Oct-2007, 08:23
The trick for me is not to do the upgrade but clean install. I backup my data and all my program preferences into two identical, physically separate sets. Then wipe everything out, install the new OS, then reinstall the applications and finally restore the preferences and data.
The trick, Marko, is to also make sure you have at hand all the serial numbers of your software installed over the years!
Asher
The trick, Marko, is to also make sure you have at hand all the serial numbers of your software installed over the years!
Asher
Of course. :) Mine all fit in a bookshelf behind my back. I also maintain a small database with licences and serial numbers. I consider it an essential part of my business.
Ken Lee
27-Oct-2007, 09:45
Being of a trusting nature, I just upgraded it, right over my existing OS.
Not a single problem.
Kirk Gittings
27-Oct-2007, 12:45
Man you are brave.
Stephen Best
27-Oct-2007, 14:03
Has anyone heard of compatibility issues with Leopard and the tools that are typically used for scanning, printing, and imaging ?
For example, Photoshop, printer drivers, VueScan, Silverfast, etc. ?
If I find any, I'll post them here. I should have a copy soon.
According to Macworld, no problems with Photoshop CS3 etc:
http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/10/26/adobelopard/index.php
Personally 10.5 isn't something I'd pay money for. I'll just wait for the next hardware upgrade.
Kirk Gittings
27-Oct-2007, 14:06
On Luminuous Landscape one person is reporting issues with ImagePrint.
Bruce Watson
27-Oct-2007, 14:27
Has anyone heard of compatibility issues with Leopard and the tools that are typically used for scanning, printing, and imaging ?
For example, Photoshop, printer drivers, VueScan, Silverfast, etc. ?
If I find any, I'll post them here. I should have a copy soon.
What about 64 bit support? If the OSes don't have it, Photoshop won't have it either. I'd love for Photoshop to support at least 8GB. Make it much easier to work with these 1.5GB drum scans.
What I remember about OS X.4 was that it had partial 64 bit support, but I don't remember if the entire VM system was 64 bit or not.
Anyone?
Stephen Best
27-Oct-2007, 14:35
What about 64 bit support? If the OSes don't have it, Photoshop won't have it either. I'd love for Photoshop to support at least 8GB. Make it much easier to work with these 1.5GB drum scans.
Not anytime soon:
http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/12/64_bitswhen.html
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2006/12/is_photoshop_cs.html
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/03/64_bits_are_mag.html
Justin Cormack
27-Oct-2007, 14:36
What about 64 bit support? If the OSes don't have it, Photoshop won't have it either. I'd love for Photoshop to support at least 8GB. Make it much easier to work with these 1.5GB drum scans.
What I remember about OS X.4 was that it had partial 64 bit support, but I don't remember if the entire VM system was 64 bit or not.
Anyone?
on X.4 the VM was 64 bit but writing 64 bit pps was a pain as none of the libraries was 64 bit (ecept libc) so you had to use a pair of applications. Not many people bothered... now they can just recmpile apps as 32+64 bit easily (well, if their compilers support this).
Ken Lee
27-Oct-2007, 16:08
Man you are brave.
A bit perhaps. I backed up my machine first.
I have been doing a backup once a week with SuperDuper (http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html) - but that may become unnecessary if I start using the OSX TimeMachine feature.
I also keep all my photo files on a separate external drive. So that makes 3 drives: the laptop, the archive, and the photo files. So I felt fairly comfortable.
What about 64 bit support? If the OSes don't have it, Photoshop won't have it either. I'd love for Photoshop to support at least 8GB. Make it much easier to work with these 1.5GB drum scans.
What I remember about OS X.4 was that it had partial 64 bit support, but I don't remember if the entire VM system was 64 bit or not.
Anyone?
bruce, with the current photoshop cs3 not being a 64bit support, how does it feel working on a TIFF 1.5 GB file on a macbook pro 4GB RAM support?
Doug Dolde
28-Oct-2007, 10:50
I installed Leopard on my MacBook Pro yesterday. Everything was going smoothly until the end when I got a "Blue screen". Couldn't get past it. Took it to the close by Apple Store and they got it going.
I have one program that crashes under Leopard: DVD to iPod Converter. This is relatively minor but will have to wait for a patch.
Overall, not a very smooth experience.
John Quinn
28-Oct-2007, 15:14
I installed it - absolutely no problems (at this stage) - CS3,Epson scan, epson 2100 and MS Office all work perfectly.
John
Ted Harris
28-Oct-2007, 17:52
No problems here on one machine, 5 more to go.
JavaDuke
29-Oct-2007, 08:09
The Ratoc FR1SX FireWire to SCSI adapter.
Ciao!
Gordon Moat
A G Studio
I just got new iMac with Leopard and I was planning to get one of those adapters to use with my Polaroid 45 Ultra scanner and vuescan. Too bad if it won't work.
Can you give us any more information? What are the symptoms? Does it recognize the adapter at all?
J_Tardiff
29-Oct-2007, 09:24
I installed Leopard on my MacBook Pro yesterday. Everything was going smoothly until the end when I got a "Blue screen". Couldn't get past it. Took it to the close by Apple Store and they got it going.
I have one program that crashes under Leopard: DVD to iPod Converter. This is relatively minor but will have to wait for a patch.
Overall, not a very smooth experience.
Sounds like you ran into the "Application Enhancer" SNAFU. I actually did an "Upgrade" Leopard install for the very first time on my MBP-- previously I had been too bound to my years of Windows experience to even consider not doing the old wipe and install. Sure regretted my choice when I hit that blue screen at the end of the install! Luckily by that point many other folks had run into this and I was able to remove the offending files. Since then the MBP has been running Leopard smoothly-- and all of my programs are working.
For those of you considering an upgrade install, the offending files are part of an Application Enhancer module that is installed with a bunch of third-party programs AND (go figure) Logitech's Control Center. It is the latter that tripped me up as I keep my MBP very lean. So my new Travel Mouse caused the problem.
As I typed this my tech dropped my office copy of Leopard on my desk --- have to decide if I want to install it on my old G5 dual 2.5 with a grant deadline coming up. Ah, maybe not. ;) Sure wouldn't mind a nice 24 inch iMac to replace this machine though..
JT
Ken Lee
29-Oct-2007, 11:22
I stopped using Logitec products years ago, when I "merely" installed a Logitec mouse at a customer site. It crashed the (Windows) machine, requiring a complete reformat of the hard drive and reinstall of the OS.
For the record, the Apple "Mighty Mouse" blue tooth wireless mouse works very nicely, and its unique method of scrolling (in my hand anyhow) gives rise to no repetitive motion problems. After using a Logitec track ball for a while, I almost needed a new thumb.
Kirk Gittings
29-Oct-2007, 11:28
ImagePrint is now stating publicly that issues have arisen and that they are not currently compatible. They are working on a fix.
Gordon Moat
29-Oct-2007, 11:50
I just got new iMac with Leopard and I was planning to get one of those adapters to use with my Polaroid 45 Ultra scanner and vuescan. Too bad if it won't work.
Can you give us any more information? What are the symptoms? Does it recognize the adapter at all?
You might need to enable the FR1SX, restart, then disable the FR1SX, then restart again . . . and if you are lucky, it will recognize the scanner. The FR1SX Utility has only been tested by Ratoc to work up to Mac OS X 10.3.3, though in reality it works fine up to 10.3.9. Once you move into 10.4 or higher, support is spotty. A friend at Apple tells me SCSI is completely broken by 10.5, though that does not mean there is not a way to get it going. I would suggest digging through the forums on SilverFast, since sometimes people post unusual ways that they have found to make some set-ups work in later OS X versions.
http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/support/faq/fr1sx.html#b
I don't know how good ViewScan support is on this. The bigger issue is the computer actually seeing the scanner. It might only see the adapter as a FireWire device, and not recognize the scanner connected to it.
The two scanners I am currently running are both operating through a FireWire to SCSI adapter (the FR1SX) and running SilverFast (6.4.4r6 and 6.5.1r1a). Sometimes either scanner shows up on start-up, and other times they require playing with the FR1SX Utility and numerous restarts. I am running OS X 10.3.9 on the scanning computer. I also run a Fujitsu MO drive through the FR1SX, which has no operating issues.
Ciao!
Gordon Moat
A G Studio
Ted Harris
29-Oct-2007, 14:32
Another biggie ... one that will cause me to uninstall Leopard for the moment on my main workstation .... The current HP z3100 Postscript Driver only provides partial functionality under Leopard. You can use most of the functions and can print but only 8 bit. You cannot profile new papers or print 16 bit. HP expects to have the new fixed driver ready in a couple of weeks. :(:(:(:(
Ted Harris
29-Oct-2007, 15:55
An hour later with some more new encouraging news and also a dire warning. First the bad news. If you have a macpro and need to uninstall Leopard you will need to do it from the the install disc that came with the machine. Some or all of the retail Tiger discs won't work .... moreover you will need to do an erase and install if you need to go back to 10.4. This is on a macpro only .. regardless of how you do it .... at least according to the Apple Tech I spoke with. I'm just going to slap in a second hard drive and put 10.4 on that for the moment.
Now the good news.I just talked to one of the Z3100 engineers from Barcelona who luckily happened to be in the US. He told me a new driver should be available on HP's website tonight or tomorrow at the latest and that it should fix the problem.
More info if I get it.
Bill_1856
29-Oct-2007, 16:00
Anybody know if it will go on an eMac?
Eric James
30-Oct-2007, 09:59
This concerning Lightroom at p.n:
http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00N7uS
I use Freeways 4 from Softpress for my HTML website - their latest version is Leopard ready.
QT Luong
30-Oct-2007, 10:32
I am always wondering what's the rush to install a new OS the day it is released ??
Past experience has shown that there are always issues that are latter resolved.
Ted Harris
30-Oct-2007, 10:55
Tuan is absolutely correct. I have the luxury of installing it on one machine and letting the others alone for awhile. meanwhile the update on the HP issue. As of 10am this morning HP has, as promised, uploaded the new drivers. I downloaded same on the machine running Leopard and am profiling the Harman Baryta Gloss as I write this.
For me, it's mostly curiosity. Discovering and playing with new featues. It is also fun. Very much like having a new camera or scanner or some other piece of equipment.
I'll know I am growing old the day I stop having fun.
:)
J_Tardiff
30-Oct-2007, 13:46
Hah-- Marko beat me to it, I was going to say the same.
I can also add that I treat my Mac boxes very differently from the Windows machines in my lab. I have found that it is relatively easy to clone and re-setup a Mac box if an update causes problems, Windows can be more of an issue in the same circumstances, not to mention the fact that many of my Win boxes run some proprietary hardware/software packages that are still tied to a particular OS version :( .
Of course, the problem with experimenting with one machine (in my case, my laptop) is that you find some new feature that you love.... and have to wait to install it on others. In my case, the new Quick Preview is dynamite.
JT
Rob Champagne
30-Oct-2007, 16:30
well this ones for all you budding geeks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0
Ken Lee
31-Oct-2007, 06:37
After the installation, my computer's list of installed printers was re-set to empty.
So I re-installed my printer drivers. Works fine now.
Ken Lee
31-Oct-2007, 06:38
I am always wondering what's the rush to install a new OS the day it is released ??.
Youthful enthusiasm. :rolleyes:
Ken Lee
31-Oct-2007, 08:59
On a positive note, it seems that Apple has sped-up the rendering of thumbnail images. The thumbnails for large TIF and PSD files used to take a long time to appear. Now, they seem to take almost no time at all.
Ken, if you are referring to the thumnail display in the icon view within regular Finder windows, then my guess would be that it (the OS X) is indexing the files in the background (for Spotlight) and caching the thumbnails it recognizes along the way.
Did you notice any difference in Photoshop performance yet?
SamReeves
31-Oct-2007, 19:20
I loaded Leopard today. Everything is running well ATM. :)
Ken, if you are referring to the thumnail display in the icon view within regular Finder windows, then my guess would be that it (the OS X) is indexing the files in the background (for Spotlight) and caching the thumbnails it recognizes along the way.
Did you notice any difference in Photoshop performance yet?
It may be caching them, but it also seems to generate the icons, for the first time, faster than it did before. Perhaps there have been some general improvements in the graphics engine.
Should I expect to see them in PS also ? It is certainly not any slower.
It may be caching them, but it also seems to generate the icons, for the first time, faster than it did before. Perhaps there have been some general improvements in the graphics engine.
Graphics engine improvements have been a part of every major edition of OSX to date and I would be very surprised and dissapointed it that weren't the case with this one.
Along with all the other improvements, of course.
:)
Excellent. I was about to change my work flow: When I scanning a large image as a TIFF, also create an accompanying small JPG, which Finder could render quickly... but I don't need to do that now !
That improvement alone is worth the price of the upgrade. My 3-yr old PowerBook a now a "faster" machine. I'll take it.
Perhaps these rendering improvements were needed to enable the new "Cover Flow" Finder feature, which lets you browse files of arbitrary type, while seeing a huge accompanying "thumbnail".
Whatever the reason, it works, with native support for PSD files too. I gotta hand it to 'em.
Bill_1856
1-Nov-2007, 12:48
Anybody know if it will go on an eMac?
Definite -- it won't go on my 3 year old eMac. No more Apple for me!
The eMac is still perfectly useable as-is. You can send it to me if you don't want it any more.
Actually, 3 years is a fairly long time in the world of computers. Sales departments depreciate laptops at around 12-18 months. To call on a customer, carrying around an old clunker, is less than impressive.
I wouldn't be surprised if many 3-year old PCs are indadequate, if not just to install Vista, to get good performance. Perhaps Apple is simply making the decision for you.
SamReeves
1-Nov-2007, 15:58
Excellent. I was about to change my work flow: When I scanning a large image as a TIFF, also create an accompanying small JPG, which Finder could render quickly... but I don't need to do that now !
That improvement alone is worth the price of the upgrade. My 3-yr old PowerBook a now a "faster" machine. I'll take it.
Perhaps these rendering improvements were needed to enable the new "Cover Flow" Finder feature, which lets you browse files of arbitrary type, while seeing a huge accompanying "thumbnail".
Whatever the reason, it works, with native support for PSD files too. I gotta hand it to 'em.
I too am a big fan of coverflow. This and time machine were the two biggest selling points for me.
Doug Dolde
4-Nov-2007, 11:21
Since upgrading to Leopard, I cannot get an internet connection running Boot Camp on the Windows side. It was working great before I upgraded.
SamReeves
4-Nov-2007, 18:34
Are you running Windows XP or Vista? Sometimes the network connnection drops out on my Vista through Boot Camp, but I suspect that's Vista's problem.
Doug Dolde
4-Nov-2007, 18:40
Windows XP
QT Luong
11-Nov-2007, 12:02
From:
http://www.scripting.com/stories/2007/11/05/imNotHappyWithLeopard.html
Talking with a friend a few days ago, he asked what I thought of Leopard. He had installed the new version, like me, the first day it came out. "I'm not liking it," I said. He said something that was simple, profound and revealing: "It's like Windows." It is.
Bob Salomon
29-Nov-2007, 13:37
Definite -- it won't go on my 3 year old eMac. No more Apple for me!
Mac OS X 10.5.x Special Report: Run Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) on pre-867MHz systems
Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) requires Mac with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 processor running at 867MHz or faster, and will refuse to install on any systems running at a lower clock speed (even dual 800 MHz systems are excluded). However, there's an easy way to trick your lower-than-867 MHz Mac into running Leopard: install the operating system on an external FireWire hard drive using a computer that does meet the minimum clock speed requirements. You can then use that drive to boot a Mac running at less than 867 MHz (see the screenshot below for proof).
Better yet, you can hook a pre-867 MHz Mac up to a Mac that does meet official Leopard requirements and boot it in Target Disk Mode, then install Leopard directly. This should (we haven't yet tested this method) allow you to boot Leopard from the system's internal hard drive.
For more information on installing Leopard on a FireWire drive, see this article.
Obviously, performance for some features will be somewhat sluggish on older processors, but we've already received reports indicating normal operation.
mike kwiatkowski
30-Nov-2007, 21:47
There is an issue using Epson printers through airport. I have three airport express units throughout my home. I have my regular printer and my epson 7800 photo printer each wired by usb to one of the express units. I am using the new beta drivers by epson as the old drivers would not even would not even enable me to add a printer (when hooked up via airport express) With the new driver, sometimes it prints and hangs for a few minutes halfway through, sometimes it just gets the dreaded communication error. I now have to hook up by cable stretched across the room with a usb hub in the middle and I have to hook my laptops up directly to print documents. When hooked up directly things work fine, I am hoping the final epson driver will fix this problem. I believe they have received quite a bit of feedback as this affects more than just their photo printers.
Ted Harris
1-Dec-2007, 07:00
Bob,
You forgot the links :(.
Bob Salomon
1-Dec-2007, 08:14
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20071129084947665
Tyler Boley
1-Dec-2007, 08:40
perhaps no relevant to most here, but CaptureOne will not work tethered to Canons yet on Leopard...
Tyler
Peter Mounier
1-Dec-2007, 10:55
Here's a list I found. I can't speak to the credibility because I don't have Leopard, but at least it's from a reliable source.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=373263
Peter
neil poulsen
19-Dec-2007, 19:09
I've spoken to two people today, who've had possible printing problems with Leopard. They both contacted me.
One has CS2, so that could be the reason.
The other has CS3 and Leopard, and he's getting terrible color. He's a professional photographer and has been printing for a long time. I'm going over tomorrow to see if I can help him out. He may be having trouble specifying the printing profile. At least from his description, that's what it sounds like.
Doug Dolde
25-Feb-2008, 16:14
If you EVER think OS X is a problem watch this
http://blip.tv/file/340692/
Brian K
25-Feb-2008, 16:48
I've spoken to two people today, who've had possible printing problems with Leopard. They both contacted me.
One has CS2, so that could be the reason.
The other has CS3 and Leopard, and he's getting terrible color. He's a professional photographer and has been printing for a long time. I'm going over tomorrow to see if I can help him out. He may be having trouble specifying the printing profile. At least from his description, that's what it sounds like.
I can't print anything close to it's proper color or tone in Leopard using either CS2 or CS3. I have installed Tiger on another drive and when I need to print through photoshop I boot up Tiger and use CS2.
SamReeves
26-Feb-2008, 10:42
If you EVER think OS X is a problem watch this
http://blip.tv/file/340692/
LMFAO!!! That is the truth. I got rid of Vista this weekend and switched back to XP. Vista was horrible with games and file copying. :o
Baxter Bradford
26-Feb-2008, 11:29
Brian, I am surprised by this. I think issue is actually more likely to be with your printer driver instead of CS3/Leopard.
Upgraded to CS3 after Leopard, biggest issue was finding a Leopard compatible printer driver for my Epson 7800. One (beta version) from Epson USA site proved fine whereas from Uk and Oz proved ,limiting in max resolution and colour control options. At one point was worried that all my custom ICC profiles would be unusable, not so with correct driver. Not sure what printer you are using, but might be worth investigating this, rather than Pshop itself.
Photoshop controls are in different looking dialogue boxes, but essentially the same. Also see that Photoshop CS3 tries to sync colour settings with any other CS software + vice versa, so had to ensure colour spaces were consistent.
Did have an issue initially with SCSI and Flexcolor for my Precision II, Apple solution fixed that and this works too. In other respects Leopard is working absolutely fine and surely easier to fix this than your current solution.
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