Looking for os9 software on cd

[vinny]

When i installed osx on my scanner-dedicated mac g3, i dumped os9 classic. I now have a scanner (dt-s1030ai) that requires os9. I can't a source anywhere and everyone i know has thrown there's away. Any ideas?

vinny

[Bruce Watson]

When i installed osx on my scanner-dedicated mac g3, i dumped os9 classic. I now have a scanner (dt-s1030ai) that requires os9. I can't a source anywhere and everyone i know has thrown there's away. Any ideas?

vinny

eBay. I bought a bootable CDROM of MacOS 9.1 there a few years ago. There were copies coming up for sale every few days.

[Gordon Moat]

Can you run the scanner using Classic Mode? If yes, then your OS X CD/DVD should have OS 9.2.2 on it, and you can do an install. There is a tricky way to do that, though the easiest is a new install of all software. If you can find the hidden installer just for Classic, then you can pass on doing a full install from scratch. This is not simple, though if you search a bit you can probably find some good explanations of how to accomplish this.

If you need to run SCSI, another item that might work is the Ratoc FR1SX FireWire to SCSI converter. I have one of these to run an older scanner and an MO drive.

You might also try contacting Apple. While it might not be cheap, they should be able to get you a dedicated OS 9.2 install CD.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio (http://www.allgstudio.com)

[vinny]

Thanks Bruce, i don't know why i didn't think of that since a good percentage of my paychecks get spent on ebay. I lucked out and my Gustavo had it. I'll install it and i post my results.
The G3 has osx on it but it can't find classic when i try to install the scanning software.
Update:
I get a pop up that says "Classic startup found no system folder on the boot volume from which to start classic."
this is what it said initially when i tried to install the scanning software. I know the computer had classic on it when i got it and then i installed osx. I think i may have dumped something i shouldn't have to make room on the HD for the old imacon software.

[vinny]

I'm trying to install os9 and the cd rom shows up now but i get a "No destination disk has been chosen." Any mac users know what to do?
thanks

[Gordon Moat]

I had a similar installation problem trying to get LivePicture running on my newer PowerBook G4. Using the install CD just would not work. So I took a chance on drag copying all the files off an older OS 9.2.2 computer, using FireWire Target Disc mode on the newer G4 PowerBook. You have to know exactly where to drag copy the files, though basically it worked for me.

Probably a drag copy of the older software would work. I am guessing you don't want to purchase the newer Screen software for your scanner, but you have the older install CD?

Worse case is you need to have a machine that can boot into OS 9, and install the Screen software on that. Then once you know where the files go, you can use FireWire target mode and a drag copy operation to move the files to run in Classic on the newer computer. It might seem like a pain, but you would only need to do this once.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio (http://www.allgstudio.com)

[vinny]

"Probably a drag copy of the older software would work. I am guessing you don't want to purchase the newer Screen software for your scanner, but you have the older install CD?

Worse case is you need to have a machine that can boot into OS 9, and install the Screen software on that. Then once you know where the files go, you can use FireWire target mode and a drag copy operation to move the files to run in Classic on the newer computer. It might seem like a pain, but you would only need to do this once."
.....
Well, the scanner came with a old Umax Supermac, loaded with the software, software on floppies, has scsi but no usb's or firewire cards. It works but i don't have a way to get the files off of it and i'd really like to use the faster g3 that i already have.
I had my other scanner hooked up the the G3 with osx on it and that worked great. I have a usb floppy drive that i'm using to try to load the scanning program with into the G3 but w/o os 9, i'm stuck.
vinny

[Gordon Moat]

Hello Vinny,

Does your start-up disk control panel show an OS 9 choice? If it does, then you can set that to boot up in OS 9. However, since I don't know which G3 you have, I am not completely sure that will work; though most G3 computers should be able to boot into OS 9. Anyway, if there is no choice of Classic nor OS 9 in your start-up disk control panel, then you would need to re-install OS 9 on that computer.

http://www.macworld.com/forums/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=300310&an=0&page=126

http://www.macworld.com/forums/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=189188&an=0&page=292

This thread has some details on doing an OS 9 install on a computer that already has OS X. You would need your original OS X disk (either CD or DVD). Use the Additional Software option.

If I was closer to where you live, I would volunteer to help you with this. It is not easy to explain by typing words. Hopefully one of those links helps you.

On your old UMAX, if it has a network connector (RJ45, Ethernet), then you can connect is that way to your newer computer. It would be slower, though should work fine for transferring files. You could do this best by using a crossover network cable to connect the two computers.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio (http://www.allgstudio.com)

[vinny]

After partitioning the hard drive i was able to install os9.0 and the basic scanning software. I power up the scanner before the computer and everything is connected as it was with the old mac that it worked on 2 days ago. Now when i try to preview or prescan an image i get a error #0030 "scanner nonconnect". I've posted the question on the scan hi-end forum as well. I've got a bunch of 8x10 velvia chromes here. I'm going nuts. Any ideas?
vinny

[sanking]

After partitioning the hard drive i was able to install os9.0 and the basic scanning software. I power up the scanner before the computer and everything is connected as it was with the old mac that it worked on 2 days ago. Now when i try to preview or prescan an image i get a error #0030 "scanner nonconnect". I've posted the question on the scan hi-end forum as well. I've got a bunch of 8x10 velvia chromes here. I'm going nuts. Any ideas?
vinny

Once you boot the computer in OS 9 go to the System Profiler and check your devices. If the system does not see the device on the chain you may have a SCSI conflict of some type. The problem might be the SCSI card itself, or perhaps the card driver is not installed. You can check this by looking the the Control Panel Extension files to see if there is a SCSI driver. Many scanners are very sensitive to the type of SCSI card. The best one for scanners seems to be the Adaptec 2906. You may also want to make sure that the SCSI chain is terminated at the end.

Also, you need to make sure that the scanner is turned on before you boot the Mac when working with SCSI. But you probably already know that.

Sandy King

[Eirik Berger]

I agree with Sandy, the Adaptec 2906 is preferable.
I have a Screen DT-S1045ai (big brother of the 1030) and it is very picky about which SCSI cards that work with the rather important batch scanning feature. The 2906 works well.

[vinny]

1.Thanks Sandy and Eirik. My imacon was hooked up to the blue/white G3 in question before i hooked up the screen scanner. The imacon worked fine. I think i removed the scsi driver or something when i removed osx from the hard drive. SCSI doesn't show up anywhere on the computer and installing versions of os 9 and osx don't make a difference. I've looked on apple.com for a driver and i can't find one. I really don't know what i'm looking for so that doesn't help.
If i could get a ethernet connection going between the original umax supermac and my imac G4, i wouldn't need to mess with the G3 at all as the screen scanner operates fine on the supermac running os 7.5.

2. I have the floppies for dt-s negatives but it won't install. Is there an order i need to follow. How much difference will there be between scanning as a b+w negative and scanning as a positive and inverting in photoshop?

[sanking]

1.Thanks Sandy and Eirik. My imacon was hooked up to the blue/white G3 in question before i hooked up the screen scanner. The imacon worked fine. I think i removed the scsi driver or something when i removed osx from the hard drive. SCSI doesn't show up anywhere on the computer and installing versions of os 9 and osx don't make a difference. I've looked on apple.com for a driver and i can't find one. I really don't know what i'm looking for so that doesn't help.
If i could get a ethernet connection going between the original umax supermac and my imac G4, i wouldn't need to mess with the G3 at all as the screen scanner operates fine on the supermac running os 7.5.

2. I have the floppies for dt-s negatives but it won't install. Is there an order i need to follow. How much difference will there be between scanning as a b+w negative and scanning as a positive and inverting in photoshop?


Vinny,

You first need to know what SCSI card you have installed in the G3. Just open the side of the G3, find the PCI cards, and the number should be somewhere on the side of the SCSI card. You will be looking for a number like 2903, 2906, 2903b, etc. perhaps with a couple of letters before the number followed by a dash. Once you find the number go on line and download the correct SCSI driver. If the number is 2906 you have an Adaptec, and you can load the driver directly from the Adaptec site. Even if it is another number it may still be an Adaptec. Once you download the driver you open the System folder and drop the driver into the Extension folder.

I guess this sounds complicated if you don't know what you are looking for, but I think it is what you need to do to get the SCSI going on the G3 because it sounds like to me you have have trashed the SCSI driver in the extension folder of the system. As I recall the MAC G3 (exception being the All-In-One) did not automatically come with SCSI so it would always be in the form of a PCI card and would require a driver, which one generally installed when they installed the card.


Sandy King

[vinny]

Sandy,
I do have the Adaptec 2906. The Adaptec download page says i'll need stuffit expander in order to expand it. It's not available for os 9.1, 9.2 is the oldest version available. I loaded the driver onto a usb jump drive anyway and dragged it to the desktop of the G3. The stuffit expander says it won't open without me selecting a program to use it with. I selected the stuffit that was in the list and it didn't object. When i click on the scsi card driver icon in the adaptec folder, i get a "system extension" pop up that says "...place the file in the extension folder and then restart the computer."
How do i do that? I tried to drag it into the extensions folder in the apple system profiler and it won't let me do it.

Since the adaptec page says it will only work for os 9.2 or later should i try to load 0s 9.2 on the G3 and see if that works.

thanks
vinny

[vinny]

I got the driver installed as far as i can tell. The g3 now recognizes my external zip drive. I hooked the scanner up and i get an 0300 error which isn't even in the manual. I also get 0030 errors but the after i restart the computer and click on "preview", error 0073 pops up and the scanner begins "scanning" but it just spins the drum and the light source doesn't move, i have to manually stop the scanner or it'll spin for who knows how long.
I'm having trouble installing photoshop 6.0 as i was a couple weeks ago. It installs fine then i get a pop up right after the program starts " could not initialize photoshop because certain required files were not found in the photoshop folder. please reinstall photoshop to restore these files." I reinstall but get the same reaction. I think the scanner problem is due to photoshop since the scanner gives the same errors when i try to start it with the old umax supermac if i try to scan without using the dts software through photoshop "import".
Any ideas?

[sanking]

I got the driver installed as far as i can tell. The g3 now recognizes my external zip drive. I hooked the scanner up and i get an 0300 error which isn't even in the manual. I also get 0030 errors but the after i restart the computer and click on "preview", error 0073 pops up and the scanner begins "scanning" but it just spins the drum and the light source doesn't move, i have to manually stop the scanner or it'll spin for who knows how long.
I'm having trouble installing photoshop 6.0 as i was a couple weeks ago. It installs fine then i get a pop up right after the program starts " could not initialize photoshop because certain required files were not found in the photoshop folder. please reinstall photoshop to restore these files." I reinstall but get the same reaction. I think the scanner problem is due to photoshop since the scanner gives the same errors when i try to start it with the old umax supermac if i try to scan without using the dts software through photoshop "import".
Any ideas?

Perhaps you are having some kind of extension conflict. These were very common in pre-OSX Mac systems. The problem is that the offending extension can be hard to locate, and of course in this case it is not certain that an extension conflict is the real problem.

No idea what your problem with Photoshop may be due to, but I can tell you for sure that Photoshop 6.0 is very compatible witih MAC OS9. Have you made sure that the Screen inport plug-in is in the same folder with the Photoshop 6.0 application?

Sandy King