Old Goerz Dagor lens?

[Photomax]

I bought an old Busch Pressman. See http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?p=221125#post221125

I was wondering if anyone had any experience with the lens that came with this camera?

The lens: C.P. Goerz Berlin, #365721, Dopp - Anastigmat DAGOR 1:6.8 f/150mm

I did a little digging on the net and it sounds like this is German made Goerz Dagor made between 1918 and 1926. The shutter is a Rapax Synchromatic made by Wollensak. The slow speeds seem a little slow which is common.

I picked up a box of Polaroid 54 film today to play around with.

Anyway, anyone know these lenses?

Max

[Ash]

I *still* haven't sorted out using my own Dagor which is 180mm. If you research on the forum here you'll find they are held in quite high regard, depending on age and type. I'd love to find a 300mm dagor :)

[Mark Sampson]

Well, one of the last 150mm Dagors ever made, a 1970's version by Schneider, was for sale last week on this forum for I think $1400. You have a classic lens; it should produce excellent results, if a little lower in contrast than a modern (coated ) lens.
Other forum members with more knowledge than me will no doubt chime in, or just search the forum for 'Dagor'. Also look on the front page of this site for "classic lenses".

[Photomax]

I wish my lens was worth that much! I just did some reading. The Dagors are sort after. The best ones had serial numbers higher than 770xxx. These lenses are newer than the "Berlin" lenses. Seems like some shooters love these older lenses and some not so much. After taking a couple of'roids I can see that the lens is sharp. The shadows seem smooth with a good range without being too contrasty. This may be due to the lack of coating though.

I am pretty happy with this cool camera and funky old lens for a little more than $200.

Cheers,

Max

[Ash]

Hey, mine was free off my grandfather, who was given it by my grandmother's boss (a keen amateur) at some point years ago.

I was DAMN lucky mine wasn't given away with the rest of my grandfather's camera gear when he stopped using a darkroom (he planned to use the dagor as an enlarging lens) - it was in the bottom of a box of bits and pieces. Course, so was the Zeiss Nettar 515 :D

[Struan Gray]

They have become a bit of cult item. There are still bargains to be had though:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Messingobjektiv-CP-Goetz-Berlin-Sammlerstueck_W0QQitemZ280086366131QQihZ018QQcategoryZ8315QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Ash]

Hmmm....2kg... It'd be cheaper to fly and pick it up, than to post to the UK insured :D

[Photomax]

Here is my first photo taken in ambient room and candle light.

[Ash]

Can't complain with that :)

[buze]

Here's my "inferior" 1910-or-so Dagor 168mm f6.8 in it's original shutter. On "inferior" chinese 100 ISO film pushed to 400...

Scan at 1200dpi, followed by 100% crops of the scan
http://galleries.oomz.net/pub/s0702/S/crown-shanghai400-315.jpg

http://galleries.oomz.net/pub/s0702/P/crown-shanghai400-315-1.jpg
http://galleries.oomz.net/pub/s0702/P/crown-shanghai400-315-2.jpg

[Ash]

I REALLY ought to mount mine and shoot some film with it!

[Jim Noel]

One of my Dagors is a 150mm Berlin. I use it on both the 45 and 57 cameras. The shutter is an early Deckel Compur which has been CLA'd a few times.
This is a beautiful combination which I use regularly. It is an especially nice focal length on the 57.

By the way, I don't shoot film with it, I expose film with it. I don't like the holes made when film is shot.

[Hector]

Hello from El Salvador:

I saw your post about the Dagor lens, and thought maybe you can help me: I´m just starting in large format photography, been doing digital fotography with plenty of vintage lenses and DSLRs, DSLTs and Mirrorles, mainly Sony.
Now I´m playing with an Orbit Monorail B&J camera that came with a 150mm f5.6 lens, but I want to take advantage of an old C.P. GOERZ BERLIN. DAGOR 1:6.8 F=24cm lens, that was given to me long time ago from an old studio. The thing is this lens has no shutter, according to the catalogue, it fits in Compur 1 and ACME 3 shutters, the front lens cel has a diameter of 40 mm, but when I read specifications, seems to me that the ACME 3 lens thread is about 45mm wide. In some documents I have read that the compur 1 has a M40-0.75 thread, which makes me think it´s ok with my mesurments, I´m watching Ilex ACME 3 shutters because they are affordable shutters on Ebay at this moment. Maybe they need an adapter to fit a Dagor?

Do you know what shutter could fit in my Dagor? maybe beacuse you have a f6.8 Dagor lens you can advice me. Thank so so much. (I can share photos of the lens)

Hector Quiteno




Here's my "inferior" 1910-or-so Dagor 168mm f6.8 in it's original shutter. On "inferior" chinese 100 ISO film pushed to 400...

Scan at 1200dpi, followed by 100% crops of the scan
http://galleries.oomz.net/pub/s0702/S/crown-shanghai400-315.jpg

http://galleries.oomz.net/pub/s0702/P/crown-shanghai400-315-1.jpg
http://galleries.oomz.net/pub/s0702/P/crown-shanghai400-315-2.jpg

[Dan Fromm]

Compur #1 OR Acme #3, not both.

Compur #1: front thread M40x0.5, rear thread M36x0.5, tube length 20 mm

Ilex #3: front and rear threads 1.785"x48 TPI, tube length 0.828"

They aren't interchangeable.
R
Also, German-made Goerz lenses usually fit German, i.e., Compur or Compound or ..., shutters. US-made Goerz lenses often fit Ilex shutters. [Berlin Dagors were made in Germany.

[Hector]

Compur #1 OR Acme #3, not both.

Compur #1: front thread M40x0.5, rear thread M36x0.5, tube length 20 mm

Ilex #3: front and rear threads 1.785"x48 TPI, tube length 0.828"

They aren't interchangeable.
R
Also, German-made Goerz lenses usually fit German, i.e., Compur or Compound or ..., shutters. US-made Goerz lenses often fit Ilex shutters. [Berlin Dagors were made in Germany.


Dear Dan thank you so much for your advice. It´s really a mess for me as a starter, to find a shutter for that old jewl, the Dagor Lens. I guess I will have to use the uncover/cover method for a while. Have a nice day!