full 4x5 image glass negative carrier for Omega D-2?

[Denis Kelly]

Greetings,

I am new to printing 4x5 and am frustrated by my Omega neg. caariers because they significantly mask the image area around the edges. My 6x6cm and 35mm carriers have been filed out to show beyond the image. I wish to have a glass carrier that would allow the full view. I have inspected my Omega glass and found it to be too small. Perhaps you could help me find anti-newton glass that would be about 4.5x5.5" and then I could grind out the carrier and remount the glass with new screw holes. Any sources for the glass? Or other tips for this task? I appreciate your page very much. Thank you for the whole web site. Peace,

[Doug Paramore]

Denis: Are you really sold on glass neg carriers? They offer four extra surfaces for dust to collect on and you will go nuts spotting prints. I print 4x5 negs 90% of the time and have not found the need for a glass neg carrier. Why not get an extra D-2 carrier and file it out to show all the 4x5 neg? To answer your question, I have seen anti-Newton glass advertised in Shutterbug and most of the larger photo equipment dealers should be able to order it for you. I am not trying to tell you how to run your darkroom, but glass negative carriers are a lot of problem to solve a problem that ususally doesn't exist. Most of the time, you can put the neg into the enlarger, turn on the light for a few seconds and wait for the negative to "pop". Then focus and it should stay put.

[M.]

I'm with Denis. I have a glass 3 1/4x4 1/4 carrier for my D-2, and 35mm for the Leitz V-35. They aren't that hard to keep clean, and sure make it easier to get sharp prints right to the very edge of the negative. There must be 4x5 glass carriers for the D-2 out there; have you checked the Omega catalog?

[bob moulton]

I garee with the others who question the glass carrier? You might look at the 4x5 carier made for the saunders LPL;it is not totally oversized, but it does have a larger opening than the Omega unit. Bob

[Blake]

I have an omega 4x5 carrier and don't seem to have this problem and i only have two extra surfaces to clean(hint, hint!) ....in fact the glass is at least 1/4" larger than the neg and consistently projects the neg's blank edges....so look at a swap meet or ask your favorite camera dealer for another 4x5 carrier...there were so many produced over the years there's bound to be another like mine. Mine appears to be a newer make or possibly a custom job....it's silver and has strap-springed hinges. I ordered it from Marvel Rhyme in Little Rock Ark. Good luck.

[benr]

Reviving an ancient thread, as I’m trying to get a negative carrier that will project the full 4x5 frame, borders and all, for an Omega D5XL. Any pointers, thoughts appreciated.

[Drew Wiley]

You can simply file them wider with a "ski file" intended for aluminum. But you have to be careful not to overdo it, or your carrier glass will fall through. Stay with glass - going "glassless" isn't just three years out of date, but downright Medieval if you expect sharp prints.

[LabRat]

I have known workers that have used 2 sheets of 5X7 (?) AN glass and put a loose hinge between the long edges of each... Then masked an oversize opening mask under the bottom of "carrier"...

It works, but a big issue that comes up is the exposed edge starts flaring a lotta light into the image area, border, under easel blades etc and hard to control... But probably a learning curve...

Steve K

[ic-racer]

I never realized the D5 glass carriers won't show the whole negative. They improved the situation with the D5500 carriers. They do allow printing the full image area. I have four of them.

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[Daniel Unkefer]

Kevin at KHB did a good job recently, TALKING ME OUT of adding 5x7 Anti-Newton Glass (which he sells!!) cut to size. Kevin's right, back during WWII they did NOT! have AN glass. I do have an Omega E 5x7 original glass carrier (Glenn did some precision machine werk and restored it nicely, and it's fully usuable). Massive eight sided dust collector. Better to stretch a negative out tight as possible using blue masking tape, no fancy springy carrier needed. And I can do that on any of my vintage DII machines. I do like seeing the rebate area on my sheet film negs

Kevin is a good Dude and is an encyclopedia of Omega knowledge. What I have was sold only to military contract during WWII

[Tin Can]

I use Calumet 8X10 no glass, no springs, no holes

Careful usage, it is super good

I also have a Saltsman 5X7 stretcher

many ways to Nirvana

[benr]

Better to stretch a negative out tight as possible using blue masking tape, no fancy springy carrier needed. And I can do that on any of my vintage DII machines. I do like seeing the rebate area on my sheet film negs."

Thanks all for the replies. Daniel, can you clarify how you are doing this? On what carrier are you taping the 4x5 neg to see rebate?

[Tin Can]

Rebate is affectation

It adds nothing

imho

did not pros allow neg room for tweaking

[Daniel Unkefer]

Thanks all for the replies. Daniel, can you clarify how you are doing this? On what carrier are you taping the 4x5 neg to see rebate?


I like to enlarge these 9x9cm negs, this one was TMX100 taped four corners, I like how seeing the reabate adds to the presentation. Unfiortunately I cannot print the entire neg, but I have done it with a glass carrier on my Omega 5x7 E3. Nice to see the entire frame, I make a border around it. The light does tend to flare around the edges. The cleanest work I see here is produced with digital camera and copy stand, I'm investigating this right now. I do have an original Omega 4x5 glass carrier, comparing it to the glassless carrier, the image area is quite a bit smaller, and I don't see any way to open either of these up, so I'm done with this idea. Showing rebate can add to an image or not. Here's a 9x9cm neg, it just fits taped in the standard 4x5 glassless carrier.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51934923850_6418196643_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2n8j4ty)Makiflex TMX100 Kodak Readyload 545 D23 (https://flic.kr/p/2n8j4ty) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

TMAX100 4x5 Readyload 545 Back Makiflex D23. Omega DII with Omegalite laser aligned Arista RC #2 paper Multigrade dev. Digital background shot by Tim Layton and enlarged at Cosco. Studio overhead lighting. 150mm f5.6 chrome barrel Schneider Xenar. Great lens I bought for fifty bucks.

[Tin Can]

Daniel

I apologize again

Carry on regardless

I wake on a 'rampage'

then I have breakfast and calm down



a little bit

[Daniel Unkefer]

No prob. I need more coffee right now. :)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51805957356_59783dbdca_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mVV5ej)E3 CLA 4 (https://flic.kr/p/2mVV5ej) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

This is the rebuilt Omega E3 Glass Negative Carrier and modified enlarger top to fit it. I drop an Olde Omegalite E4 on top and it illuminates perfectly. Glenn Evans did some precision machine work on this and it is usably restored. The washers keep the negative carrier in good registration.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51806306239_a10ac61856_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mVWRWx)E3 CLA 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2mVWRWx) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

E3 Negative Carriers 4x5 to 35mm all usuable. Very thick metal!

[Tin Can]

I have been to Glenn's fortress

He visited mine

I bought a Saltzman 5X7 stretcher from him

I first lived in Chicago where his shop is now

Never going back

[Michael R]

Wow, that's some heavy stuff.


No prob. I need more coffee right now. :)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51805957356_59783dbdca_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mVV5ej)E3 CLA 4 (https://flic.kr/p/2mVV5ej) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

This is the rebuilt Omega E3 Glass Negative Carrier and modified enlarger top to fit it. I drop an Olde Omegalite E4 on top and it illuminates perfectly. Glenn Evans did some precision machine work on this and it is usably restored. The washers keep the negative carrier in good registration.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51806306239_a10ac61856_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mVWRWx)E3 CLA 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2mVWRWx) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

E3 Negative Carriers 4x5 to 35mm all usuable. Very thick metal!

[Drew Wiley]

I wish I could get film rebates; but I always have to pay full price.