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John Kasaian
30-Sep-2006, 08:16
....looking for abstracts in Nature. Not my usual cup o' tea but so be it.

I'm walking down a paved road that has recently been cut & paved, then closed to motorized traffic for some reason only administrative or enviremental mucky-mucks know. The road also runs through mountain lion habitat and every so often I see a warning sign posted. I am alone with my 'dorff in a pack and unarmed except for my tripod over my shoulder and the thought occurs to me that to a mountain lion I must look like a little dish with sushi on it, floating around a sushi bar on the deck of a little toy wooden junk.

I turn a corner and there it is----not a cougar but a cut bank with trees on top and a deliciously visual composition of roots and large rocks under the forest duff. A rare peek into the underground world. The road at this point is heavily shaded and the sun is setting, I'm tired from humping my kit over hill and dale and dusty trail and there is the nagging fear of becoming a mountain lion's dinner. After pausing to admire this little treasure of Nature and hike on, racing the setting sun back to the truck. Someday I'll return, I tell myself. Yeah, someday ( I did have my little point and shoot Olympus with me, but the composition seemed to scream "LF!" and I didn't want to insult the Land by using 35mm.)

I wonder if anyone else has ever "chickened out" in getting a shot at a desireable composition for whatever "seemed like a good idea at the time" reason?

Paul Coppin
30-Sep-2006, 08:57
Well, I don't have mountain lions (unless you believe the "eye-witness" reports and rumours) to consider in the bush where I go, but there are (black) bears, and the occasional 2 legged varmint. However, I would say you wussed out...:D - you should have at least grabbed a shot with the Olympus. Never know, that might have been the money shot...:)
Cougars are a bit more of a concern than black bears in terms of taking you on, and if they are in the area, you do have to be wary. I bend a few rules for "self-defence" where I go sometimes, and thats a bigger deal in Canada. You might consider a can of bear spray as part of your belt kit if its a concern, or a small compressed air signalling horn from a marine shop - the loud noise just might make one back off.
Of course, you live in the US (I believe) so go get your CCW permit and a Para-Ord .45 ccw....

Michael Graves
30-Sep-2006, 10:32
Had the opposite happen. On the way out of Barbershop Canyon in northern Arizona, I had just finished shooting a Conceived by Nature ad featuring a scantily clad woman underneath the waterfall at the far end of the canyon. She had bitched and moaned the whole time we were hiking back in about how there should have been an easier way to get her back. The art director was somehow ignoring her.

After the shoot, the director and the model hiked back, leaving me and an assistant to break down and haul the gear out. (Hence my opinion of art directors, which I judiciously refrain from expressing here.) He and I are walking back out, loaded down with packs and carrying a case in each hand. We come around one bend and there in the mud next to the stream is a HUGE mountain lion paw print. I'm not suggesting it was fresh....but water was still seeping into it from the saturated ground.

"Think he got her?" I asked.

"Doubt it," the assistant replied. "Don't see any place where he spit her out."

But we were both a little paranoid walking out of that canyon from that point forward.

GPS
30-Sep-2006, 11:04
High time you got your 45PS Fotoman, John...

Brian Vuillemenot
30-Sep-2006, 11:06
Come on guys, mountain lions are cute and fuzzy. They wouldn't hurt anyone! ;)

My problem is that I won't chicken out, regardless of the imminent danger. Many of my favorite shots have been made on the edge of cliffs. I also had a too close for comfort encounter with a western diamondback a few years ago in a remote canyon outside of Tucson. I was wandering through the dense desert scrub, looking for those abstract/closeup compositions. I developed a habit of walking around with my head still under the darkcloth, so that I can see how moving around is affecting the composition (kind of like how many 35mm and MF shooters work)- obviously, not the safest in a desert full of cacti and venomous creatures. As I was walking, a heard a buzzing sound, and then felt a whoosh of air past my leg. After removing my head from the dark hood, I saw a six foot long, pissed off rattler in strike position. He had apparently missed me by just inches, in an isolated spot a couple miles downhill from the road. I'm not sure that I would have had time to make it to the road if I had been bitten...

On a related note, has anyone out there had an encounter with a sasquatch while photographing?

Eric James
30-Sep-2006, 12:31
"Bearanoia" - a stark-raving case of it - has me avoiding some of the nicest areas around town. At least there is hibernation to look forward to. The year-round four-footed objective hazard up hear is moose, but I can deal - but MTN lion habitat or venemous snake habitat would have me shooting chickadees from the kitchen table. Fortunately Sasquatch is camera shy.

Dan V
30-Sep-2006, 13:49
I regularly bushwhack in the local rattler-infested and cougar-populated mountain parks looking for the elusive interesting scene to shoot.

Last spring while following a creek in search of subject matter, I came across what looked like a homeless person's camp. Visions of "Deliverance" came to mind and it kinda creeped me out, so I thought it best to reverse direction. Last week, I came across a homeless person in another local mountain park, and had the same reaction.

Since the law prohibits carrying a pistol for protection, I've resorted to carrying a large can of "bear spray" which may not be legal in California. So far I haven't had to use it, but it did attract the attention of two park rangers (who carried revolvers, so I was literally outgunned).

John Kasaian
30-Sep-2006, 15:29
Paul,
You're right, "wussed out" is a far more accurate term. The road is located in a National Park so taking a firearm along on a hike would definately not have been kosher.

Michael,
Great story!

GPS,
Unfortunately I was also loosing the light so it would have taken a looooong exposure. As much as I like handheld LF I don't think it would have worked in this case.


Brian,
Another great story! I've got a pair of Browning Snake Boots for that kind of animal life, but the things are so hot and heavy they aren't much fun to hike in.

Eric,
But bears are so cute! Maybe you can have a companion stand bear duty with a .375 H&H while you work, like the Department of Highways?

Dan,
An interesting problem. I think it was last year the cops found a "homeless" person living in a cave in the bluffs above a river about three miles from my house. The "homeless" person had a cache of weapons and several outstanding felony warrants for uncivilized conduct toward his fellow man.

Well, there goes the nieghborhood I guess!

Deanne D
30-Sep-2006, 18:01
After reading this comical string of natural-almost-disasters, I remember the girlscout, and scuba diving, and cave exploring rule: use the buddy system... have a look out who is armed with something noxious so you can focus on your duty to catch that image. Preferablely not the one of the bear eating your camera. LOL!

John Kasaian
30-Sep-2006, 18:51
Eric,

I just remembered that the only time I've seen a cougar in the wild was in the Yukon Territory, in November as he/she(I wasn't close enough to count the cheerios) strolled across a snowy Alaska Highway N. of Watson Lake. Absolutely beautiful! Of course I was in a truck--with the windows rolled up (I'm allergic to cats!) Anyway, that was in 1992 so that cougar ought to have made it to Alaska by now (just a 'heads up!") ;)

Eric James
30-Sep-2006, 20:18
I was tent bound in Yosemite in the early 90s when a cougar had been seen in the Valley - the park service had posted warning fliers EVERYWHERE! Around the same time a young woman, out for a run, was killed in Northern California by a cougar. As I drifted off to sleep one night I heard this blood-curdling cry that went on and on; only after it stopped did I realize what had made that hellish noise!!! A thin sheet of rip-stop nylon would provide little resistance to a critter that makes such a scream. Fortunately, I hadn't showered for days and most cougars know that there is little meat on the scrawny bones of a climbing bum.

John, your Yukon cougar has not been sighted in the area - good thing too 'cause I'd make for slightly better eatin' these days. We have lynx in SC AK and a few winters back I had the privilege to engage one in a 20-second stare down at sunset - I just had a Contax T3 with, so I didn't bother. I wouldn't be surprised if MTN lions travel to this neck of the woods in coming decades. Sitka blacktailed deer [SIC] from SE AK have been sighted near Anchorage in past years.

We've got bears though; lots of bears, just down the street:

http://www.adn.com/front/story/8067062p-7958666c.html

I couldn’t find pictures on the Anchorage Daily News site but they are worth surfing for. Google: “Kincaid Bear Electrocuted”, and ask yourself if you want to duck under the dark cloth:(

Cheers:)

Jeffrey Sipress
1-Oct-2006, 08:59
So, you think that 'environmental mucky mucks' are the ones that know why a freshly paved road is closed? Can you be more specific with that description? I may know a few!

So, you bailed on the image-making opportunity? Too bad. The best time to make a photo is when one presents itself to you. You schnooze, you loose.

Maybe some tree-hugging mucky muck came by right after you left and made a wonderful image of that scene......

Andrew O'Neill
1-Oct-2006, 09:14
Out in BC, we have every scarey beast you could think of...I've seen bears but they just look at you and carry on their merry way. Cougar encounters are so extremely rare, that I don't even worry about it.
The biggest scare I had was when I was photographing a Jakeobite (probably spelt wrong...sorry my Scottish brothers!) barracks ruin a few years back. I felt something breathing down my neck whilst under the focusing hood...I slowly pulled my head out, turned around and there in all his fine glory was a fine specimin of a Scottish Moo checking me out...from exactly one metre away! He snorted and went on his way. So did I.
It's interesting how our imaginations can get the better of us. Wind blowing bushes can suddenly become a scarey animal moving around and watching us in our minds...
The wind blowing through the cracks at an old wooden First Nation's church is eery...A bunch of us were photographing there yesterday...but that's ghosts...not scarey beasts with big teeth.

brian reed
1-Oct-2006, 09:51
I was in Glacier National Park photographing Avalanche Creek and 3 hikers walked by on the trail and suddenly stopped looking into the woods. I looked over and they were motioning and pointing into the woods. As I walked over to see what the excitement was they said there was a mountain lion under the tree, and sure enough the mountain lion was just sitting there hanging out and didn't seem to concerned.
The lion was probably 200 to 300 feet from where I was and I don't know if I was on the menu ,but I kept photographing and I never saw it again. I worry more about bears than mountain lions, attacks are so rare they seem to go after someone jogging or riding bikes. In other words someone moving fast.
After I got home and about a month later, I read that a woman riding a bike about in that area was attacked by a mountain lion.

Take care BR
www.brianreedphotography.com

Brian K
1-Oct-2006, 12:30
I've run into enough Bears and other large animals and will not go hiking alone without a can of Bear Spray in my hand. It's in unfortunate that in order to get the photos I want I have to break the two cardinal rules of hiking, first don't hike alone and second don't hike during sunrise or sunset. If you are intent on doing either or both you need more than a tripod for protection. A can of bear spray is small and highly effective and do not bury it in your case but either carry it in hand or where you can get to it without any effort or delay.

John Kasaian
1-Oct-2006, 13:44
No doubt New Mexican bears who are fond of chilis, are resistant to pepper spray ;)

erie patsellis
1-Oct-2006, 17:10
For New Mexican bears, shouldn't you just act like a person of authority, pull out a badge and shout repeatdly "Immigration Agent!!!!" that should clear the area of any New Mexican anythings...... or did you mean New Mexican (the state) Bears?


erie

Michael Daily
3-Oct-2006, 17:32
In 1997 in Rocky Mtn Nat Pk, mountain lions were eating people. I saw several warnings with details of recent mishaps while hiking photographing there. Never saw one, but we were travelling in pairs. I think I am too clumsy and make too much noise for them...
Michael

Jim Rice
3-Oct-2006, 19:02
Several years ago (I SWEAR this is a true story) I was driving westbound to work on US 90 just east of Ocean Springs, MS. I was just about to pass this older Ford Ranger when an about four foot alligator is suddenly attached to the diver's arm outside his window. I always assumed it had been in the bed of the truck (pet? dinner?). He was pulling off the road really quickly. It was one of those "did I really see that?" moments.
Seriously, when the predator is prehistoric it adds an element of "EWWWWW". I think I'd trade for something furry.