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Scott Rosenberg
19-Jun-2006, 18:27
i'm looking to assemble a 4x5 kit for long hikes and am having trouble finding a solution to my my moderate-long focal length - 360mm. i presently have a 14" lens in a Compur 3 shutter, but would like to find something in a Copal 1. Besides the Nikkor 360 Tele, which would take up more room in my lens case than what I've got presently, and the Fuji 360-A, which I can't find anywhere, what options are there?

Will any of the 14" process lenses - Artars, Ronars, or APO-Nikkors - fit into a Copal 1 Shutter? Did Fuji ever make a 360-C... that would be sweet!

thanks,
Scott

Sheldon N
19-Jun-2006, 20:04
Rodenstock makes/made an 360mm APO Ronar in a Copal 3 shutter and weighs 550g, there's the 355mm G Claron in a Copal 3 at 855g.

You could do what Kerry Thalmann did with a 14" f/9 Goerz LD Artar...

http://www.thalmann.com/largeformat/300-450.htm

Or you could watch and wait for another Fuji 360mm A to come by. You just missed one on Ebay by a week or so, it went for $1175. Wait and watch for another 3-4 months, one'll show up eventually.

Sheldon N
19-Jun-2006, 20:07
Or you could buy the 14" Gold Dot Dagor in Compur 3 shutter that Scott Rosenburg is selling right now on the FS Forum - only $2k.

Ron Marshall
19-Jun-2006, 20:08
What about 300mm? The Fuji f8.5 300c is a wonderful light lens.

Hugo Zhang
19-Jun-2006, 20:21
I own nine 360mm lenses. The smallest one is an Apo-Ronar in a Compur shutter. Not Copal 3. A much smaller Compur shutter. It was advertised as in a Compur 3 and I needed a Compur 3 and so I bought it for the shutter. A mistake but a cute little set.

Scott Rosenberg
19-Jun-2006, 20:25
Or you could buy the 14" Gold Dot Dagor in Compur 3 shutter that Scott Rosenburg is selling right now on the FS Forum - only $2k.

yeah, i hear that 14" Schneider Gold Dot is one hell of a good lens, though i doubt it's any smaller than the 14" lens i'm presently using ;)

Scott Rosenberg
19-Jun-2006, 20:40
sheldon, i read kerry's article, but am not sure how long it would take to find a #2 shutter... seems like that could be quite a while.

ron, the fuji 300-c, nikon 300-m, or even the rodie 300 apo-ronar, are all options i've considered recently, but having owned both 12" and 14" lenses, i always seemed to get more use out of my 14" glass. SO, i was hoping someone here had a great alternative that i hadn't thought of - like some small 14" process lens that would fit into a #1 shutter.

Jack Flesher
19-Jun-2006, 20:56
Fuji 360 A -- Rare for sure, but small and compact like the Fuji 300A, C and 450C, and also in a #1 shutter.

I just posted a Nikkor 300 M in the B&S if you decide to go the 300 route.

Christopher Perez
19-Jun-2006, 20:59
I'm not sure where the original poster wants to go with this. However, I tried my 8x10 view camera last weekend using a 240 Germinar W (BTW, this is a FABULOUS lens, so many kind thanks to Kerry Thalmann for bringing these to my attention!) and a 300 Nikkor M.

Frankly, I need the "gap" between 240 and 360 to be useful. I really had to hunt for a reason to shoot the 300. Having said that, I can't wait for a 360 Symmar Convert f/5.6 in #5 Compound to arrive... :)

This takes nothing away from the Fuji 300C suggestion. Fuji makes great lenses. Light. Small. Sharp. What more could a person ask for?


What about 300mm? The Fuji f8.5 300c is a wonderful light lens.

John Kasaian
19-Jun-2006, 21:14
You might look for a Zeiss Protar.

Scott Rosenberg
19-Jun-2006, 21:16
Fuji 360 A -- Rare for sure...

jack, i just did a little reading and found the weight of the Fuji 360-A to be a scale topping 465 grams!! that's nearly twice what the 300-C weighs! plus, it's more coverage than i need for my 4x5 field kit. maybe a nice 12" lens is the way to go.

Brian Ellis
19-Jun-2006, 21:19
IThis takes nothing away from the Fuji 300C suggestion. Fuji makes great lenses. Light. Small. Sharp. What more could a person ask for?

A U.S. distributor.

Sheldon N
19-Jun-2006, 22:26
yeah, i hear that 14" Schneider Gold Dot is one hell of a good lens, though i doubt it's any smaller than the 14" lens i'm presently using ;)

Slaps forehead... DUH!

Jack Flesher
20-Jun-2006, 06:46
jack, i just did a little reading and found the weight of the Fuji 360-A to be a scale topping 465 grams!! that's nearly twice what the 300-C weighs! plus, it's more coverage than i need for my 4x5 field kit. maybe a nice 12" lens is the way to go.

Indeed. But I think a #3 shutter weighs about 80% of that by itself.

At any rate, I think you are on the right track looking into 300's. If one asks themself first how often they really need a 360 for 4x5: If it is a lot, then I'd ask how often the 300 would not serve, even cropped slightly (yes, an ugly word but...). I think if you ponder these questions the reasons the compact 300's are so popular become more apparent ;)

Cheers,

Ted Harris
20-Jun-2006, 07:12
Scott, if you do decidde to go the 300 as opposed to 360 route then don't rule out a Fuji 300 A, while rare they are no where near as rare as a 360 and will cost you a little bit less. I have been using the 300 A for several years now and it very rapidly became one of the lenes that almost always travel with me for any format from 4x5 through 8x10. I asked Jim to find me one and I believe it took him nearly six months but he did the job.

Bruce Watson
20-Jun-2006, 07:46
jack, i just did a little reading and found the weight of the Fuji 360-A to be a scale topping 465 grams!!
In a Copal #3 maybe ;-)

My Fujinon-A 360mm f/9 (single coated) is in a Copal #1, and weighs about 11.5 oz (around 325g) with the caps, without the lensboard. It was just a bit more than my 14" RD Artar (aluminum) in Compur #2, which is a bit over 11 oz (around 315g). These weights were done on an uncalibrated postal scale, so are not laboratory grade but probably reasonably close.

Jack Flesher
20-Jun-2006, 09:10
In a Copal #3 maybe ;-)

My Fujinon-A 360mm f/9 (single coated) is in a Copal #1, and weighs about 11.5 oz (around 325g) with the caps, without the lensboard. It was just a bit more than my 14" RD Artar (aluminum) in Compur #2, which is a bit over 11 oz (around 315g). These weights were done on an uncalibrated postal scale, so are not laboratory grade but probably reasonably close.

Bruce -- those numbers sound closer to what I remember, making the 360A in #1 about the same weight as #3 shutter by itself. I sold my Fuji 360 A about 6 years ago so could not weigh it for sure.

Kerry L. Thalmann
20-Jun-2006, 09:12
In a Copal #3 maybe ;-)

My Fujinon-A 360mm f/9 (single coated) is in a Copal #1, and weighs about 11.5 oz (around 325g) with the caps, without the lensboard. It was just a bit more than my 14" RD Artar (aluminum) in Compur #2, which is a bit over 11 oz (around 315g). These weights were done on an uncalibrated postal scale, so are not laboratory grade but probably reasonably close.

Bruce,

You may want to try a different scale. I've weighed three or four 360mm Fujinon-As and they were all in the ~475g range without caps. The only one that ever weighed significantly less was a 360mm Fujinon A that someone had accidently mated with a 300mm Fujinon A rear cell - and even that one was greater than 430g. I'll weigh my 360mm Fujinon A on a very accurate scale tonight and post the weight, but I'm sure it's way more than 325g. In fact, even the 300mm Fujinon A is over 400g.

Kerry

Kerry L. Thalmann
20-Jun-2006, 09:16
P.S. All the 360mm Fujinon As I've weighed were multicoated, but unless there is something dramaticallty different in either the mechanical or optical design, I can't imagine there is a 150g difference in weight between the single coated and mulicoated samples.

Kerry

Arne Croell
20-Jun-2006, 11:23
I just weighed my Fujinon A's 300 and 360mm (both EBC in Copal). Without caps, the 360mm was 475g, and the 300mm 398g. The scale error is given as +/- 1g in this range.

Bruce Watson
20-Jun-2006, 11:59
Bruce,

You may want to try a different scale.

Or a different brain. I'm going by memory and it's been a few years. The lens is sitting in a top hat lens board right now and it's a pain to remove. I'll bow to your expertise. But while you are weighing lenses, how about weighing a 14" Artar in Compur #2 and tell us that weight for comparison?

Steve Hamley
20-Jun-2006, 17:02
13-3/4" Protar VII cell if you don't mind losing 5mm or so.

Steve

John Kasaian
20-Jun-2006, 21:01
13-3/4" Protar VII cell if you don't mind losing 5mm or so.

Steve
Listen to Steve Hamley ;-)

Kerry L. Thalmann
20-Jun-2006, 23:16
A U.S. distributor.

Why? The Fujinon lenses are readily available at very attractive prices from reputable dealers. Would you be willing to pay 30% - 50% more for the same lenses to support a US Distributor and their sales, marketing and service departments? In this day and age, with plentiful information available online (and in print), I guess I don't see what the big benefit would be of returning to the business model Fujinon used in the 1970s.

Kerry

Kerry L. Thalmann
20-Jun-2006, 23:22
Or a different brain. I'm going by memory and it's been a few years. The lens is sitting in a top hat lens board right now and it's a pain to remove. I'll bow to your expertise. But while you are weighing lenses, how about weighing a 14" Artar in Compur #2 and tell us that weight for comparison?

Lens Weights (with retaining ring/mounting flange, without lens caps):

360mm f10 Fujinon A EBC in Copal No. 1 Shutter = 475.15g

14" f9 Goerz L.D. Artar (late aluminum barrel) in Compur No. 2 Shutter = 332.12g

360mm f9 Rodenstock APO Ronar (single coated, circa 1957) in Compur No. 2 Shutter = 315.47g

Kerry

Andre Noble
21-Jun-2006, 06:09
Why? The Fujinon lenses are readily available at very attractive prices from reputable dealers...
Kerry

As a resource, could you list them?

Jack Flesher
21-Jun-2006, 06:51
As a resource, could you list them?

Try Badger -- http://www.badgergraphic.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=28

or Midwest Photo -- http://mpex.com/

Steve Hamley
21-Jun-2006, 06:51
Badger Graphic and Midwest Photo Exchange to name a couple.

Steve

Scott Rosenberg
21-Jun-2006, 07:22
Lens Weights (with retaining ring/mounting flange, without lens caps):

360mm f10 Fujinon A EBC in Copal No. 1 Shutter = 475.15g

14" f9 Goerz L.D. Artar (late aluminum barrel) in Compur No. 2 Shutter = 332.12g

360mm f9 Rodenstock APO Ronar (single coated, circa 1957) in Compur No. 2 Shutter = 315.47g

Kerry

kerry, thanks for going to all the trouble... that list is very helpful!

scott