Biggest Lie

[Tin Can]

https://youtu.be/PndV7QfWKTI?si=dUCLYdRugeV4edRg

[Vaidotas]

Good point.
Defining an audience makes life much easier.

[Durst L184]

Good point.
Defining an audience makes life much easier.

But what exactly do you take the point (TC’s point) to be? (1) Is he simply giving a title to the video (borrowing language from the video itself), which would appear to at least be a claim to have identified a certain thesis in the video (and he perhaps strongly concurs with that thesis), or (2) do you think that he has accurately identified a thesis in the video (a proposition), which he also adamantly believes is false?

TC’s take on the video is not exactly clear.

[jnantz]

I thought catfishing people was the biggest lie. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet%2C_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog

[Alan Townsend]

https://youtu.be/PndV7QfWKTI?si=dUCLYdRugeV4edRg

Off-hand, I can think of a thousand bigger lies than in this video. I never showed my photography to others to any extent, but that doesn't mean self-critique can't work very well. Web-hosting services would like everyone to have websites for showing their work, but that would be like any marketing lies to make money. This seems more the rule than not today, that lying to make money is always justified and okay. Whoever found those lost works can sell them at a high price provided they have great marketing skills.

Alan Townsend

[Pieter]

Not sure what the lie is. But TC certainly got a lot of people to watch a fairly bland video with a lot of nice photos.

[Alan Townsend]

Not sure what the lie is. But TC certainly got a lot of people to watch a fairly bland video with a lot of nice photos.

As I recall, the biggest lie is that you need to show your photography to others to be a great photographer, while other just do great photography on an island so to speak. The video is about a woman who died and it was discovered she had a trove of great photography she had done over her years as an amateur.

Myself, I live in a cave. Maybe my paintings will be found some day and everyone will think I'm a neanderthal.

[jnantz]

The video is about a woman who died and it was discovered she had a trove of great photography she had done over her years as an amateur.

being perceived as "good" has nothing to do with being an amateur or professional, it just has to do with marketing, hype and where people's heads are at. and no one knows if she did or didn't show her photographs to anyone, it's all speculation because no one knows anything about her, and people fabricate stories and tell yarns. plenty of people think all sorts of things are "good" it really doesn't mean that those things are good it just means a lot of people are swayed by public opinion / hype or/ and find some commonality with the subject matter, or maybe have done whatever it is that person whose work is being hyped themselves and ...

[Pieter]

being perceived as "good" has nothing to do with being an amateur or professional, it just has to do with marketing, hype and where people's heads are at. and no one knows if she did or didn't show her photographs to anyone, it's all speculation because no one knows anything about her, and people fabricate stories and tell yarns. plenty of people think all sorts of things are "good" it really doesn't mean that those things are good it just means a lot of people are swayed by public opinion / hype or/ and find some commonality with the subject matter, or maybe have done whatever it is that person whose work is being hyped themselves and ...

Not sure about that statement. Of course, marketing and publicity can draw attention to one's work and some might even take the bait. But in the end current taste and time will tell if the work is truly bad or good. People collect Keene paintings and Thomas Kincade, that doesn't make them good.

Not much is known about Ms Maier, but what we do seem to know she was fairly private, using the camera as a shield to observe the world around her. It is entirely possible that the existence of social media at that time might have been something she would have used as it does not entail real human contact.

[Tin Can]

many artists

the smart hide

i make art for myself

i prefer streets

i made this to become

and begin


i am shaman but did not know until

my lover knew

i had a blast with my nogard ART car

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50791884308_13594af527_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2koiFDf)1-3-12-Battle scars (https://flic.kr/p/2koiFDf) by TIN CAN COLLEGE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tincancollege/), on Flickr

[Pieter]

many artists

the smart hide

i make art for myself

i prefer streets

i made this to become

and begin


i am shaman but did not know until

my lover knew

i had a blast with my nogard ART car

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50791884308_13594af527_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2koiFDf)1-3-12-Battle scars (https://flic.kr/p/2koiFDf) by TIN CAN COLLEGE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tincancollege/), on Flickr
But it's not hidden, is it?

[Ironage]

It seems that she never printed her work. The narrator said they found her negatives. If this is the case she never edited and selected what she wanted to be seen. This is very internal photography indeed!

For myself, sharing my work on the internet is becoming less desirable in my heart. I love to share it face to face, hang it on a wall, or would even desire it printed in a magazine or newspaper, but not on the internet. I am still scanning and posting, but less and less.


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[Tin Can]

It seems that she never printed her work. The narrator said they found her negatives. If this is the case she never edited and selected what she wanted to be seen. This is very internal photography indeed!

For myself, sharing my work on the internet is becoming less desirable in my heart. I love to share it face to face, hang it on a wall, or would even desire it printed in a magazine or newspaper, but not on the internet. I am still scanning and posting, but less and less.


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I now regret all intercrap

[darr]

I find it intriguing that some photographers choose not to showcase their work online, opting instead for physical displays.
In contrast, my approach is quite different. Today, I only make small prints (8.5x11") that I store in archival boxes, intending to gift them to my child after I pass.

Late last year, I reached a pivotal moment where I had to make a decision about my printmaking endeavors because a new printer and software were needed.
I am sixty-five now and have done everything I ever wanted to do with photography, and I do not care to make prints any longer except for those archival boxes.
Forget about a darkroom, as I left that behind a decade or more ago, but continue to process my film because I enjoy it.

As for sharing my work, I limit it to my blog and website, with no presence on social media except for the occasional post on a forum.
And I am happy with my decision.

Just a few days ago, during a lunch meeting with an old friend, I was on the receiving end of a lecture.
He expressed a strong desire to have one of my images printed, even though he's well aware of my unwavering "no" response to such requests.

The reason for my refusal is quite simple: the process has become too cumbersome for me to handle.
I attempted a couple of months ago by using an online printing service for his requested print, but it was a frustrating experience.
They couldn't replicate the proof I had sent them, and the result they sent back was nothing short of disappointing.
Fortunately, they issued a refund after lodging a complaint and providing evidence of the original proof.

Arriving at this decision wasn't done hastily; there's a deeper story behind it, which you're welcome to read about if you're interested (here (https://photoscapes.com/selling-over-500k-images-lessons-from-a-lifetime-in-photography-and-graphic-arts/)).
Nevertheless, I've come to terms with my stance on this matter and am more than happy with it.

Best to everyone,
Darr

[Andrew O'Neill]

I find it intriguing that some photographers choose not to showcase their work online, opting instead for physical displays.
In contrast, my approach is quite different. Today, I only make small prints (8.5x11") that I store in archival boxes, intending to gift them to my child after I pass.

Late last year, I reached a pivotal moment where I had to make a decision about my printmaking endeavors because a new printer and software were needed.
I am sixty-five now and have done everything I ever wanted to do with photography, and I do not care to make prints any longer except for those archival boxes.
Forget about a darkroom, as I left that behind a decade or more ago, but continue to process my film because I enjoy it.

As for sharing my work, I limit it to my blog and website, with no presence on social media except for the occasional post on a forum.
And I am happy with my decision.

Just a few days ago, during a lunch meeting with an old friend, I was on the receiving end of a lecture.
He expressed a strong desire to have one of my images printed, even though he's well aware of my unwavering "no" response to such requests.

The reason for my refusal is quite simple: the process has become too cumbersome for me to handle.
I attempted a couple of months ago by using an online printing service for his requested print, but it was a frustrating experience.
They couldn't replicate the proof I had sent them, and the result they sent back was nothing short of disappointing.
Fortunately, they issued a refund after lodging a complaint and providing evidence of the original proof.

Arriving at this decision wasn't done hastily; there's a deeper story behind it, which you're welcome to read about if you're interested (here (https://photoscapes.com/selling-over-500k-images-lessons-from-a-lifetime-in-photography-and-graphic-arts/)).
Nevertheless, I've come to terms with my stance on this matter and am more than happy with it.

Best to everyone,
Darr

Great read, Darr. Thank you for sharing.

[Pieter]

It seems that she never printed her work. The narrator said they found her negatives. If this is the case she never edited and selected what she wanted to be seen. This is very internal photography indeed!

For myself, sharing my work on the internet is becoming less desirable in my heart. I love to share it face to face, hang it on a wall, or would even desire it printed in a magazine or newspaper, but not on the internet. I am still scanning and posting, but less and less.


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I believe she did have at least some of her work printed, boxes of prints were among her belongings. However it is most probable that she might have opted not to have prints made at the time of processing for economic reasons at some point.

[paulbarden]

Just a few days ago, during a lunch meeting with an old friend, I was on the receiving end of a lecture.
He expressed a strong desire to have one of my images printed, even though he's well aware of my unwavering "no" response to such requests.

The reason for my refusal is quite simple: the process has become too cumbersome for me to handle.
I attempted a couple of months ago by using an online printing service for his requested print, but it was a frustrating experience.
They couldn't replicate the proof I had sent them, and the result they sent back was nothing short of disappointing.
Fortunately, they issued a refund after lodging a complaint and providing evidence of the original proof.

I tried a variety of highly rated online printing services a couple years ago, when a client wanted a really large print (far bigger than what I can do at home). Every single one of them was given a proof to refer to for color balance, etc., and every single one of the services I tried (three different ones) failed miserably to even remotely replicate the proof. Not one of those prints was usable by a long shot.

I have concluded that if you're not printing an image yourself, you're going to have to make compromises if you send it out to one of the services currently available. It's possible there's someone out there who is willing to, and capable of making excellent prints, but it's likely a custom job, meticulously done by a competent technician, and charging a small fortune to do so.

[Dugan]

The biggest lie is:
"The check is in the mail... "

[darr]

I tried a variety of highly rated online printing services a couple years ago, when a client wanted a really large print (far bigger than what I can do at home). Every single one of them was given a proof to refer to for color balance, etc., and every single one of the services I tried (three different ones) failed miserably to even remotely replicate the proof. Not one of those prints was usable by a long shot.

I have concluded that if you're not printing an image yourself, you're going to have to make compromises if you send it out to one of the services currently available. It's possible there's someone out there who is willing to, and capable of making excellent prints, but it's likely a custom job, meticulously done by a competent technician, and charging a small fortune to do so.

Paul,

I agree with your assessment.
To achieve the desired outcome for the print, it seems we'll need to create it ourselves.
I'm sorry to hear that you've also had a similar experience.

Darr

[ic-racer]

"Unseen work..." indicated in the text. Now I'm confused, was she blind?

[Vaughn]

I find it intriguing that some photographers choose not to showcase their work online, opting instead for physical displays.
In contrast, my approach is quite different. Today, I only make small prints (8.5x11") that I store in archival boxes, intending to gift them to my child after I pass.

...
Best to everyone,
Darr

The reverse is true for me, but that is only because I am creating objects (prints) as an art form...where the object itself is part of the piece of art. Somewhat like the difference between seeing a play performed in front of you, and seeing it on TV. There are qualities that do not survive the electronic/digital reproduction process. Or perhaps, it is like trying to understand the three-dimensional qualities of a piece of sculpture from a single flat image.

Again, this is my approach...not the only good one nor the best one for anyone else.

[Tin Can]

My less than 20 best printed by professionals are perfect

I have a 4x5 foot plus huge frame

I made it for me. I love it all day, as I pass it

The printer was very worried as I specified rough Matt

They wanted to FIX IT!

No glazing allowed or wanted


I see it as magical


My best art is printed on metal

Not for everything

[Torquemada]

the question to be asking from this video is not about "are you a photographer if you dont let others see your photographs" but.. the gquestion is

Do you really believe that NONE of her film was ever made into prints during her life time? Looking at the prints, and even accounting for digital cleaning of htem,,, do those images REALLY look as is she never saw the results of her shots? Alot of dobuel exposure shots could only have been made by a person who KNEW from first hand results, how to do a double exposure shot correctly, that comes from printing them out..

[jnantz]

Not sure about that statement. Of course, marketing and publicity can draw attention to one's work and some might even take the bait. But in the end current taste and time will tell if the work is truly bad or good. People collect Keene paintings and Thomas Kincade, that doesn't make them good.

Not much is known about Ms Maier, but what we do seem to know she was fairly private, using the camera as a shield to observe the world around her. It is entirely possible that the existence of social media at that time might have been something she would have used as it does not entail real human contact.


we're living in the post post-modern age where an internet article on buzz feed or petapixel can get 40,000 people to apply for a job that typically 30 people would have known about 30 years ago ( the last time the position became vacant ). pr is magical. I just watched a antiques roadshow 10 years later thing and someone's keene that was appraised at 7-8grand is worth 25grand because of the movie that was made .. not sure about kincade, he's kind of like the AA of the painting world, some people love his work, some people hate it, I don't really have an invested interest or opinion about any of them, the lady whose negatives were all found, keene, kincade or adams .. but if a cheep, poorly produced iphone-live/animated NFT collection becomes available for any of them, I'll be all in ..

[Tin Can]

I know I saw online our hero in a French photography shop with prints made in that shop as she examined HER prints on the counter

Keeping art or NOT ART hidden is very common

I show the same old same old all the time

as most hate it


so I won't


Think about the places we work, we do it for $$$

not to make friends

never trust coworkers


the question to be asking from this video is not about "are you a photographer if you dont let others see your photographs" but.. the gquestion is

Do you really believe that NONE of her film was ever made into prints during her life time? Looking at the prints, and even accounting for digital cleaning of htem,,, do those images REALLY look as is she never saw the results of her shots? Alot of dobuel exposure shots could only have been made by a person who KNEW from first hand results, how to do a double exposure shot correctly, that comes from printing them out..

[Torquemada]

I know I saw online our hero in a French photography shop with prints made in that shop as she examined HER prints on the counter

Keeping art or NOT ART hidden is very common

I show the same old same old all the time

as most hate it


so I won't


Think about the places we work, we do it for $$$

not to make friends

never trust coworkers

im happy if they just dont crap on the toilet

[Kirk Gittings]

This is a modern web culture moment when you step back from the question and ask yourself “is my time better spent cutting my toenails?”.