8x10 cameras with bag bellows?

[Robert Opheim]

How many 8x10 cameras have a bag bellows? I often want rise with wide angle on 8x10 format - how much rise is built into the Deardorff 8x10 sliding rise on the front standard? (this is because with the standard bellows and wide angle - the bellows restricts rise). I haven't been able to find this listed on Deardorff sites.

[DMS206]

My old Deardorff without front swings has 4” of rise on the front standard

[Joshua Dunn]

I know Sinar 8x10 cameras have bag bellows for an option. I'm sure other ones do as well.

-Joshua

[Greg]

Over they years I have only seen one 8x10 Deardorff with a bag bellows on it (back in the mid 1970s when I was a student at RIT). Definitely not OEM. It was a permanently adapted Sinar WA Norma bellows. Dedicated lens was a 150mm Super? Angulon or a 155mm Daystar... can't remember which.

[Mark Sampson]

How wide a lens do you want to use? It does seem that bag bellows are less necessary on 8x10 cameras. The only 8x10s I can think of that offer bag bellows are the 'system' cameras; Sinar, Arca-Swiss, Linhof, Horseman, Toyo, et.al.
I have some on-the-job experience with a 165/8 Super-Angulon mounted on a Calumet C-1 "Green Monster". That camera had a fixed bellows and I don't recall it being a restrictive setup. But that was 20-30 years ago, and I don't know what you have in mind. Those assignments were more about photographing large objects in small spaces, and didn't call for extreme movements.
My other experience has been with my own 8x10 Kodak Master and a 10" Wide Field Ektar (sadly, both long gone). I had no issues with that setup either.

[Andrew O'Neill]

My Canham Light Weight 8x10 has an interchangeable bag bellows.

[Vaughan]

There aren't many lenses that cover 8x10 that need short extension. The Nikkor SW 150mm f8 – the most common wide angle for 8x10 – has only about 50mm of movement. The Super-Symmar Aspheric XL 210mm f5.6 has about 100mm. I don't think bellows bind will be a limiting factor for either of these lenses, though a camera may not have enough movement on the standards regardless.

Bag bellows are available for Toyo Field 810M and Toyo View 810 cameras.

[Tin Can]

Also depends on how close to subject

and IF movemwnts are required

I shoot 8X10 with 120 mm lens

as needed

[Robert Opheim]

I think I saw a video of Bernice Abbot using a 8x10 Deardorff with a dedicated bag bellow - shooting from a tall building in New York. That might have been around the 1970's. It probably had a 150mm or 165mm lens.

[Louis Pacilla]

I have bag bellows for my Canham Wood Standard 8x10 as well as my Wisner Tech 8x10. I use them with my 155 Grandagon N

[George Losse]

I have a bag bellows for my Wisner 8x10 Technical. I will say that it is rare that I've used it.

[Tin Can]

810 Horseman with Bag Bellows LN


But Horseman OE bellows dry up and crumble

[Robert Opheim]

I have spent some time with my Calumet and my widest lens I currently have for it - 6 1/2 inch f/8 Dagor - the lens covers about as much as there are movements around an inch. I keep thinking in terms of 4x5 format - which I have been using since 1974. 8x10 is a much different format - and the tools work similarly but different.

[Keith Pitman]

Chamonix has a bag bellows for their 8x10, although the website shows it as “Sold Out” right now.

[ic-racer]

I have a 8x10 bag bellows for my Shen-Hao FCL810.

[Neal Chaves]

I have experience with a number of 8X10 cameras. I found the Toyo 810M to be the most practical and I never saw the need for a bag bellows. I have made many exposures with 150/8 Nikkor SW, Wollensak 159/12, and 120/8 Nikkor SW.

[Len Middleton]

While I have not seen a Deardorff V8 or images of them with bag bellows, have seen recessed boards and recessed adaptor boards that could provide some of the desired capability, with the added difficulty of accessing the shutter controls.

Common solution for 4x5 format, specifically my Linhof Technika V with 75 / f5.6 S-A and 90 / f8 S-A on recessed Technika boards with quick connect cable release.

Did Ebony build any wide angle 8x10 cameras? If so what was their solution?

[Tin Can]

Calumet C1 can get very close to GG

no bags

no movements

[Daniel Unkefer]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51909609498_b27e55c72c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2n65jpd)New to Me 8x10 18x24cm Sinar Norma (https://flic.kr/p/2n65jpd) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

New to Me 8x10 Sinar Norma Baggy Bellows X2 165mm Schneider Norma Super Angulon with Automated Iris Mechanism and F/Stop On Cables. Very quick to set up and I wanted a dedicated 8x10 Camera to take outside. I have a line on a 210mm F8 Super Angulon and have made arrangements to buy it soon. I purchased the 8x10 Rear Standard for 200 British Pounds from a Guy in France. Added an original 8x10 Norma Bellows for another 20 Pounds, will have Custom Leather rebuild the bellows to new specs. They made the original bellows for Sinar so still available new. So had a good Front Standard so this camera was essentially made from repurposed parts for little money. There is another Bag Bellows and Monocular on the back of the camera. Best way to view IMO

[Rod Klukas]

You can use indirect displacement, to increase the rise, or fall, somewhat. Deardorff listed custom bellows with price on request in their 1991 Brochure.

Berenice in her how to use the view camera book, is shown using a indirect displacement for centering the lens board when using a short lens.

Excellent book by the way.

Rod

[Rod Klukas]

Arca-Swiss does offer a bag/wide angle bellows as well.

[fatherdougal]

If you want to buy new, I believe both Stenopeika and Gibellini offer bag bellows.

[Photopham]

Sinar has Bag bellows for 8x10

[neil poulsen]

I was more interested in using longer lenses with my 8x10; thereby, I wasn't particularly interested in 8x10, wide-angle photography. (A 4x5 is better suited.) Moreover, 8x10 lenses that would require a bag-bellows tend to be super expensive. So again, not interested.