24cm X 76 meters of Agfa Aviphot 200 has arrived

[Daniel Unkefer]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52321748922_485a3e6b30_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nHuD6m)SONY DSC (https://flic.kr/p/2nHuD6m) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

24cm x 76 meters Agfa Aviphot 200 Aerial Film arrived today! This is the same film we have been buying in Germany and shooting in 70mm perforated. Looking forward to trying it as I have time. I have a lot of original 13x18cm Sinar Norma Film Holders. Looks good with 8x10 contact print paper black borders. The film is packed in a giant black plastic film can, wrapped with electrical tape to seal it. I cut off enough of the outer stock to examine it in the light. I believe this can be processed a sheet at a time in a single flat bottomed tray. I cut out a couple of 18x24cm sheets on the Rototrim, no probs fitting in my old 18x24 Norma Holders. This is good for a go. No Money 8x10; the film is the biggest expense when doing conventional 8x10. Like shooting a whole roll of 36 in one pop. Nothing like it. The bigger the viewing screen, the more beautiful and easier it is to view and compose. Like looking at a giant television set. This stuff shows tremendous promise. BTW I just mixed up a gallon of Diafine A & B. I may start processing these giganto sheets in Diafine. Diafine lasts forever, until it dries up

[xkaes]

Hey, that's only about 250 exposures, so don't waste it!

[Michael R]

Maybe you can shoot a (very) short LF movie. :)

[Daniel Unkefer]

Maybe you can shoot a (very) short LF movie. :)

LOL What a fabulous idea!

[Daniel Unkefer]

Hey, that's only about 250 exposures, so don't waste it!

Wait a minute... 7600 centimeters divided by 18cm is 422 sheets. So I can waste a few. I already have used up two sheets, test cutting the emulsion and checking to see how it will fit in the holders. The answer is....... Fits well, no curl at all. But it will kink and get crescent moons, like when you try to remove it from the holders. Care will need to be taken. I've gotten the crescent moons before with 70mm stock so I am aware need to be careful handling it

[Tin Can]

Please make or use a Cirkut Camera

https://petapixel.com/2022/08/26/100-year-old-360-degree-film-camera-that-uses-98-feet-long-film/


Images can be LONG!

[Daniel Unkefer]

Please make or use a Cirkut Camera

https://petapixel.com/2022/08/26/100-year-old-360-degree-film-camera-that-uses-98-feet-long-film/


Images can be LONG!

Hmmm Another rabbit hole! I will certainly consider it. In my Kindermann 15 meter 70mm tank I have processed the 70mm version of this film in ROLLEI SUPERGRAIN dev. Good results but spendy. Other friends have used RODINAL with good results, I have some of that, too. I have a friend who has gotten amazing results with DIAFINE. I just mixed up a gallon of A and B Diafine. Which lasts forever.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49204098982_fce7b59d33_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hXZSob)400s 70mm Supergrain Blad 100 Planar 1 (https://flic.kr/p/2hXZSob) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Test roll (31 exposures) fresh 70mm Rollei 400s, processed in Rollei Supergrain. JOBO 120/220 reel modified to 70mm width by me, JOBO Multitank 2 Agitated by hand. Film shot last spring, then life came along................... Hasselblad A70 mag, 100mm Zeiss T* Darkroom print Omega DII Omegalite head Aristo #2 RC Ultra Multigrain Dev

[Daniel Unkefer]

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24cmx74m Agfa Aviphot. This is the plastic can inside the outer box. I cut off some leader which had some tape residue on it. So these were run through my Rototrim Cutter, a piece of Kodak MINR cutdown to 18x24 used for sizing the sheet, with blue masking tape. Pretty easy to do this in the dark, I have eight of these olde wooden Norma Holders I like them. I could also make 8x10 sheets with two cuts, and it'll make scrap. But it's 8x10! Personally I like 18x24 negs centered on a 8x10 fibre paper. Makes a beautiful border and I show the whole negative.

[Daniel Unkefer]

Hey Y'All....

He has more of this for sale. Cheapest way to shoot 18x24cm or 8x10" Infared.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115497815878?hash=item1ae434cf46:g:eqYAAOSwrkdi~cMF

Need to get busy with mine. I love it in 70mm. Been using Rollei Supergrain dev, Freestyle stocks it.

BTW It works out to 57 cents a sheet in 18x24.

[j enea]

the film is very thin polyester right? is it the same thickness as the ilford infrared and rpx 25 emulsions? any issues with film flatness?

john

[Daniel Unkefer]

the film is very thin polyester right? is it the same thickness as the ilford infrared and rpx 25 emulsions? any issues with film flatness?

john

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It is thinner than 8x10 HP5+ or 8x10 Ilford Commercial Ortho (shoot both), don't know about rpx25 and Ilford Infared. It has some natural curl, as you can see here. Seems very flat in my olde 18x24cm Sinar Norma film holders, as you can also see here. Tests forthcoming as I have time. I don't believe flatness will be an issue for me from what I can see so far

Test photos here from Flikr:

https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=rollei%20400s

Rollei marketed this film as Rollei 400s. Actual speed is about 100 without filters. Rollei 400s = Agfa Aviphot 200, that is well accepted. Same same

[j enea]

i have used this film (RR400/superpan/rollei IR) a lot in 120 and 35mm so I'm familiar with it. just thought it would be a great way to shoot some high quality 4x5 film on the cheap. lot of cutting to get down to 4x5, but if my math is right, works out to under $11 for a box of 50 sheets in 4x5. lots of cutting though.......

the RPX 25 and rollei IR in 4x5 are the same thickness as the 35mm film, so very thin. could be t pan 200 PE 00 which is thinner than the PE 01 you have.

thanks for the reply

john

[Daniel Unkefer]

I'll also cut it down to 4x5 and 5x7. Maybe 9x12 and 13x18 too. Easy with do my big Rototrimmer.

Also I did buy a hundred sheets of 9x12cm from the Guy in Russia who was custom cutting and selling it on Ebay. Bought that before I discovered these big rolls. If this works out I will prolly buy another. Doubtful it will ever be cheaper that this

[j enea]

thanks! I agree its not gonna get any cheaper. no notch code, but it looks like the film has a curl up on the emulsion side. is that how you judge loading them in holders?

I also have a large rototrimmer so why not use it a little more?

[Daniel Unkefer]

When I put the flap down in my Norma 18x24 holders, it seems to "clamp" the sheet down somewhat. No curl I can see, but I haven't tested it yet. Been very busy but it is on my to-do list.

Regarding lack of notches, I just clip off the corner with a pair of scissors. I keep the scissors in my back pocket, so I don't hurt myself in the dark LOL


Heres what the Guy in Russia sent me. 102 sheets of 9x12cm plus test prints and a negative. I think he used D76 if I remember correctly. Looks good to me!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51740519559_a57c8c6646_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ8FRr)Agfa Avipan 9x12 102 sheets from Russia 1 (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ8FRr) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Oh Yes, a fellow on Flickr contacted me on Flikr, he bought the big roll too, and he LOVES it. Using it for 8x10 Astronomy Photography, he tells me. So I'm very hopeful this will work just great.

[gzinsel]

No issues with flatness@ f22. Which is what I mostly use. It’s about 298 sheets for 8x10. Per roll.

[Daniel Unkefer]

In my case it's $242.75 + tax for a roll. I want 18x24cm sheets, I can get 422 sheets from 76 meters. So it works out to about roughly sixty cents per 18x24cm sheet. Jim Galli seems to think it's OK to use, I have not had time to test mine yet. But I will soon. If I like it I will prolly buy another roll. IMO it will never be cheaper than this

I already shoot this film in perforated 70mm in my Blads. PhotoImpex in Germany had hundreds and hundreds of fresh rolls for sale so I loaded up.

[Daniel Unkefer]

Anybody using this film should read this uber long thread from over on phototrio.

https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/developer-for-aviphot-pan-200.182434/

What looks most promising to me (taming the high contrast) is the MECD4 color developer formulation, which seems to flatten the film curve significantly. I obtained some MECD4 can will be reporting here and there. Good times ahead I think :) So I'm thinking homemixed MECD4 for 8x10/18x24 on down. The Guy in Mumbai has this in 70mm if anybody here wants any. All you need is a 70mm A70 Hasselblad back, or a Graflex RH-50 6x7 back to get going with this.

This is Rollei 400s (Agfa Aviphot 200) in type II perforated 70mm long roll, processed in Rollei Supergrain (available at Freestyle). This is one of the developers recommended by Rollei for this film. Works good!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49204127097_c03ba37725_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hY11JV)400s 70mm Supergrain Blad 30 Distagon 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2hY11JV) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

[Daniel Unkefer]

I repeat the MeCD4 formula here:
Bath A
Metol...............................1g
Sodium Sulfite anh..........35g
Color developer CD-4......4g
Sodium Metabisulfite........1g
Water to............................1L

Bath B
Sodium Sulfite anh............35g
Sodium Carbonate anh......30g
Water to..............................1L

Develop 3m +3m 25C, correct the time for other temperatures, I use the Ilfordphoto chart.
Agitate in Bath A 2 inversions every 30s
Agitate in Bath B 2 inversions at start and 2 inversions at half time only.

MeCD4 flattens the S curve of the Aviphot films to some extent giving EI=200 for Aviphot 200 and EI=80 for Aviphot 80.
CD-4 appears generally the least likely of the CD series but it may cause an allergic reaction in some individuals.

[popdoc]

How have you been cutting it down to size? What are your “secrets” and tips to a newbie? I have a roll of the stuff and haven’t found a good reliable way or set up to do it.
Thx!


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[Daniel Unkefer]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52237927063_3c7421eae3_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nA62LT)Film Cutting and Loading Area 5 inch Aero 2402 (https://flic.kr/p/2nA62LT) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Popdoc,

I'm about ready to start cutting my big roll Aviphot into 18x24cm sheets. I have successfully cut 5" roll Plus-X Aero 2402, Fuji HRU XRAY, and Kodak Mammo film, into 4x5 and 5x7 sheets using my big Rototrim cutter in the dark. I use an old formica table for film cutting and loading. I use an exposed sheet of film of the size I want to load to set up the cutter, I use the blue painters tape to carefully set up a bench stop. So far it has worked in the dark OK, but I'm considering other methods. I just asked Jim Galli so I'll report here what he says. I just bought this Dahle Vantage 18e Paper Trimmer on Amazon, so I'll also give this a go.

Reading -this- post is what convinced me to try the new Dahle cutter:

"The winner was the Dahle 18e guillotine ($60 on amazon). This is a cheap cutter and mine needed some adjustment when I got it. I loosened the screws for the top rail and squared it with the blade and I sharpened the blade with a stone to remove the paint that was on it. This cutter won out because of two features: it has a soft rubber foot that comes down with the blade to hold the work in place while cutting. You don't need to use your fingers. The foot does not scratch film and it will cut the full 17" without the film wandering. The second feature is that the bed is metal. This allows me to put a drafting triangle on the bed and hold it down with magnets to create an easily movable stop. I adjust the stop position with a piece of commercial film for reference."

I'm also just getting going cutting the Aviphot 24cm. I'll report more results here, test results will be forthcoming.

[Daniel Unkefer]

OK Jim Galli responded to me, he uses a Fiskars Cutting Board Rotary Cutter 12 Inch Tabletop. There was one on Ebay, I grabbed it for $18 plus shipping. Might need a new blade, I think they make different types? Anyway appears a little hard to find, not much on Amazon. He says after you try it a hundred times or so you get pretty good at it

So now I will have a couple of new film cutters to try, in addition to my Roto-trim

[koraks]

I use the blue painters tape to carefully set up a bench stop.
For what it's worth, on my Dahle rotary trimmer, which happens to have a steel baseplate (your newly acquired Dahle has one, too) I use magnetic strips to make a stop. It's very easy to move around but stays put when necessary, and they're about 1mm thick so make a nice 'bump' to slide the film or paper against. Like so:
https://tinker.koraks.nl/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/20221103_2206281.jpg
It's the red strips I'm talking about.

I use it mainly for cutting RA4 paper to size, but I've used the same approach for sheet film as well. Works very well.

[popdoc]

All great tips, TYVM!

As the source supply is a somewhat heavy roll of film, how do you support it?

Also, my roll of film is 9.5 inches wide. I’d like to cut it to 8 x 10. Do you have a suggestion as to which way to cut what first dimensionally?

Has anyone used any form of infrared viewing system to make this safer and easier?

Thanks again!


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[koraks]

I built a very basic rig/frame of scrap pieces of wood and I clamp it to the worktop with heavy-duty spring-loaded clamps. The frame has a spindle mounted on it that I can slide out, put the roll on and slide back into the frame. So the roll ends up on a spindle that is held by two vertical posts, basically. It's a very basic/crude affair, but gets the job done.

[Daniel Unkefer]

I asked Jim Galli how he cuts his:

"Same way. I use a rototrim type cutter. For 8X10 I roll out the l0" and make a cut then do the 8" trim and load. There has to be stops taped in place for the film to come against of course in the dark. I use a cheap little Fiskars desktop trimmer like this one. A 12" long exactly ruler fits between the 2 edges tightly at the 7 7/8" (for the 8" cut) and for the 10" my fingernails can click in the dark against the detents past the ruler so I know where to make that cut. After a few hundred it gets very easy."

[Daniel Unkefer]

I built a very basic rig/frame of scrap pieces of wood and I clamp it to the worktop with heavy-duty spring-loaded clamps. The frame has a spindle mounted on it that I can slide out, put the roll on and slide back into the frame. So the roll ends up on a spindle that is held by two vertical posts, basically. It's a very basic/crude affair, but gets the job done.

Hi Great Idea? Can you post a picture of that, I'm having trouble envisoning it. Sounds like something more I need to cobble up :)

[koraks]

I'll try to remember Daniel! It's in storage, easily accessible, but not a closet I use often, otherwise I would have included one already :)

[Daniel Unkefer]

OK Thanks. I appreciate it.

[popdoc]

Hey Dan!
How did cutting the roll of Aviphot go?

[Daniel Unkefer]

Hi Popdoc,

I've been busy with other projects, but I'm about ready to get this started for 18x24/8x10 Aviphot this spring. Meanwhile I found this excellent Jim Galli thread over on Phototrio, with his complete explanation, and photos :) He uses a tray on the left, to keep the roll straight on, and his cutter is upside down from the way I've been using it. Yes it looks like it will work just great. Don't know how I missed this thread!

https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/how-do-i-cut-9-1-2-long-roll-aerial-recon-film-down-to-use-in-8x10.188505/#post-2650143

[popdoc]

Amaaaazingly helpful!
I missed it too…
Stoked to give it a try this weekend.
Will compare a roller cutter to guillotine and report back directly.
You rock!
TYVM!


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[Daniel Unkefer]

I repeat the MeCD4 formula here:
Bath A
Metol...............................1g
Sodium Sulfite anh..........35g
Color developer CD-4......4g
Sodium Metabisulfite........1g
Water to............................1L

Bath B
Sodium Sulfite anh............35g
Sodium Carbonate anh......30g
Water to..............................1L

Develop 3m +3m 25C, correct the time for other temperatures, I use the Ilfordphoto chart.
Agitate in Bath A 2 inversions every 30s
Agitate in Bath B 2 inversions at start and 2 inversions at half time only.

MeCD4 flattens the S curve of the Aviphot films to some extent giving EI=200 for Aviphot 200 and EI=80 for Aviphot 80.
CD-4 appears generally the least likely of the CD series but it may cause an allergic reaction in some individuals.

I have all the chems to make this, I believe. The other obvious candidate is Diafine. I got a gallon of A and B from B&H. Lasts until it dries up. The MECD4 Dev really does somewhat straighten the film's curve. Wear rubber gloves and good ventilation. I have a friend in NYC that uses Diafine with 120 Aviphot 200, the Diafine really does have a compensating effect.

[popdoc]

Thank you for this info!
Don’t have the color developer ingredient so will likely go the Diafine route.
Has anyone used a minimal agitation/ stand technique, and/or pyro with this film? Didn’t pop up on a quick search.
Thanks again!!!


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[j enea]

you can get cd4 from artcraft. i have used the film with pyro-hd and pyro-m with reduced agitation. it gave me the best results,but still high contrast until I tried the MeCD4 formula.I will now use it for at most 2 batches, unless i filter both parts as the last batch of 4x5 had lots of gunk on the negs from reuse and the foam gave me lots of air bubbles. now that I know going forward I will be much more careful. I really dislike 2 part long life developers, preferring single use but the results make me want to use this for both the pan 200 and 80, just to reuse only once.

[Daniel Unkefer]

I got my cd4 from Photographer's Formulary. I'll wear nitrile gloves, have good ventiliation. The flat bottomed white Cesco Trays are cheapo at B&H. I may start with my Diafine cause it's already ready to go, one gallon also available from B&H. I don't think the CD4 is tough to mix up, don't spill any of it. Color Developer is nasty stuff and treat as such. It completely washes out according to a Chemist Friend over on RFF. So very promising. Jim Galli told me over on Phototrio, he thought that the 18x24cm usage was brilliant. Thanks Jim! I have eight matching very early vintage 18x24cm Sinar Norma Film Holders. The Norma glass is printed for the smaller 18x24 dimensions. BTW Chartpack Tape is great for marking ground glasses. I like 18x24cm, cause it puts a NICE black border around the neg, when contact printing on 8x10 paper. Makes for a unique repeatable presentation.

I've shot a good part of a can of this stuff in perforated 70mm with Blads. I used ROLLEI SUPERGRAIN available from Freestyle. Recommended for use with Aviphot by Agfa but still very contrasty. It's easy to create defects with this film while handling it. Be careful and don't let it kink, you'll end up with crescents burned into the emulsion. That's with the 70mm, don't know about the sheets yet. One of the German Dealers had hundreds and hundreds of fresh rolls in stock, some appear on the used market if you are patient. Agfa Aerial will roll up an order if it's big enough.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52324517041_effbba6be4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nHJPXx)SONY DSC (https://flic.kr/p/2nHJPXx) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51740115883_abff718f35_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ6BRv)Agfa Avipan 4x5 Neg supplied fits Lisco Holder OK (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ6BRv) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

From the Guy in Russia that was selling custom cut sheets. Apparently developed in D76. I ordered a hundred sheets of 9x12cm see below.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51740519559_fd8c5eb1b4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ8FRr)Agfa Avipan 9x12 102 sheets from Russia 1 (https://flic.kr/p/2mQ8FRr) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

[Vaidotas]

Daniel, you made a serious promotion.
And Mumbay sellers reduced price a bit and 2014 heritage Aviphot is sold out.
Remaining film is from 2013, 2012 years.

Any Aviphot sales on EU info is very welcome, you mentioned potential seller.

And following up your progress.

[Daniel Unkefer]

Daniel, you made a serious promotion.
And Mumbay sellers reduced price a bit and 2014 heritage Aviphot is sold out.
Remaining film is from 2013, 2012 years. Any Aviphot sales on EU info is very welcome, you mentioned potential seller.
And following up your progress.

I've only talked to one other person who has started using this. He said he bought it for his Astronomy projects and it was working great. I am familiar with the emusion in the smaller sizes. I'll post some examples as I get them. BTW I'm referring to Agfa Aerial, apparently if they get a big enough order, they will run the Aviphot film. I've no other leads on where to get this, although film does get resold on the internet from time to time.

[popdoc]

Thanks to everyone’s input we came up with what we have found to be an efficient, “safe”, reproducible setup to cut the roll film to 8x10.

Great buddy and pro photographer Steve Budman came over and we worked it out.

Four hands, two cutting devices, super low intensity far infrared viewing for checking our workflow.

Easy to do on your own, but best to have a friend to share in the fun, and congratulatory brew!

Aligning the roll for the first “long”/10” cut was very helpful for reproducibility of accuracy. Used an 8x10 developing tray as recommended in previous remarks in this string to hold and line up the roll of film.

We used a piece of Tri-X as our guide/standard to set up the cutters.

As the film is thin and “buckles” slightly during cutting, the results from the preset width (7 15/16”) was a bit variable using a brand new rotary cutter (slightly thinner at one end than the other). We ended up adding almost 0.125” to the overall width to account for this, and assure stability and security in the film holders’ races. As there are so many brands, ages, and amounts of wear and tear for these large film holders, we recommend a bespoke approach and cut the film to fit your holders to work the best.

It’s trial and error to get the right fit, and doesn’t take long. Once dialed in, it’s smooth sailing.

Here’s our set up-

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We easily knocked out 60 sheets in 30 min.

Thanks again for everyone’s help!


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[Daniel Unkefer]

WOW. This is great. Thanks for posting. I've loaded up most of my small holders, now it's about time to start on the bigger holders.

[popdoc]

Daniel- thank YOU!


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[JefW]

Thanks for pointing this film out. Just got some (2014 expiration). Tried cutting some in the dark, for 8x10 (8 x 9.5 to be precise). After making a template, cutting goes smoothly enough. I tried taking a few shots, including some with a Hoya r72 IR filter. The Wood effect is definitely there. Here's one at ISO 6:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52855804236_e4a5ae5eeb_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2owFP8A)NYC view (https://flic.kr/p/2owFP8A) by Jeff Wingard (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36075970@N05/), on Flickr

[Daniel Unkefer]

Hi Jeff,

This looks really cool. Definitely Infared look to it. May I ask what developing scheme you used? 82 US Cents a sheet for 8x10 Infared. Not bad at all. It has a tonality similar to the 70mm Aviphot 200 perfed I got fresh from Germany. With that I have used ROLLEI SUPERGRAIN, there are instructions on the bottle for Aviphot 200. So Rollei recommends it for Aviphot 200!

https://www.freestylephoto.com/422312-Rollei-Supergrain-Film-Developer-500-ml

Type AM74 developers are not easy to find information on.


Everybody,
I think Infared Goggles will be useful for in the dark cutting. What are the ones ^^^ posted above, and what's a good choice for a good price? They seem to be all over the place on Ebay. Also, what is the little scope shown in the above photo ^^^??

So I still need to load up big holders. I have eight olde Sinar Norma 18x24cm holders in great shape I'm going to use with the Aviphot 200. So just one cut necessary. A contact print with black border on 8x10 paper should look marvelous. I think I will try split VC printing these Aviphot negs, they are unusual looking.

[JefW]

Thanks Daniel. I used D76 1:1, 14min at 68f, in the Stearman daylight tank (one potential issue: a flat tank light this might not be perfect for a film that tends to curl so much-- the edges might rise above the liquid).

The IR images turned out a lot grainier this time than the non-IR ones.

[Daniel Unkefer]

Jeff,
Would you mind posting here the other Aviphot photo I see on Flickr. That one looks REALLY interesting too! Has an interesting tonality. I assume no filter? Thanks for contributing. If it works well with D76 it should also work well in D23. I do have the stuff now to mix up the MECD4, the curve for this stuff is not pictorial but I've seen it can be tamed! I think I'll use trays

[JefW]

This was shot at ISO 160, also D76 1:1. No filter. These are hasty Epson 750 scans at default setting. There's a lot of optimization that could be done.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52855784391_4f61393682_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2owFHer)NYC (https://flic.kr/p/2owFHer) by Jeff Wingard (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36075970@N05/), on Flickr

[JefW]

And one at ISO 100, also D76 1:1, with unfortunate crease which you warned about in previous posts.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52856400264_13523eb525_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2owJSiW)Agfa Aviphot pan 200 iso 100 011 (https://flic.kr/p/2owJSiW) by Jeff Wingard (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36075970@N05/), on Flickr

[j enea]

first shot from my 5x1000 ft (12.6cm x 106.7m)roll. very high contrast scene so I used MeCD4. if you zoom in you can see what looks like black specs from the developer in the sky. this is my first time using 2 bath developer that is reused. so guess I gotta filter it or mix up 2 liters and use 1 liter and then filter after every use. regardless, the film is sharp. but boy is it thin!

this was shot with a fuji 125mm 5.6 lens with a hoya 720 IR filter.

john

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[j enea]

this one with the same lens, but a dark yellow filter.

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[JefW]

this one with the same lens, but a dark yellow filter.

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Beautiful. What film speed are you shooting it at?

[Daniel Unkefer]

this one with the same lens, but a dark yellow filter.

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Ooooo. Looks really good. I think I'll start with dark yellow, my standard panchromatic filtering.

Thanks for contributing this

[j enea]

Beautiful. What film speed are you shooting it at?

its a Hoya G filter. I use an incident meter and metered at 80. I could have gone to 64, but I have been getting good results with the film using 200 or 160 as my base unfiltered speed with 35mm and MeDC4 developer. for the IR shot, I used a speed of 6

john

[Daniel Unkefer]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52872342822_de5eb459ab_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oy9ztC)SONY DSC (https://flic.kr/p/2oy9ztC) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Spynet Night Vision Goggles, and a 9.5" roll of Plus-X Aerographic arrived here today. I'll cut this film down to 18x24cm (only requires one cut!) or 8x10 which requires two cuts. The night vision goggles WORK in my darkroom but will need some getting used to.

This film is in the LFF classifieds

[JefW]

Another IR shot. Hoya R72 filter. ISO 6. D76 1:1.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52874299478_101c9a16bf_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oyjB85)Astoria (https://flic.kr/p/2oyjB85) by Jeff Wingard (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36075970@N05/), on Flickr

[popdoc]

Fabulous!
Annnnd, less than a dollar/sheet!


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[JefW]

Fabulous!
Annnnd, less than a dollar/sheet!


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Thanks. Yes, comes to about $0.57/sheet. Not a bad deal.

[Daniel Unkefer]

Wow. I need to get busy loading my 18x24 holders.

Guys, there is a fellow in the LFF classifieds selling 9.5" Plus-X Aerographic for $100/roll, I just bought some. You might want to grab some for 8x10 Panchro shots.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52611131693_9bac50f38e_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oa4Nvt)5 inch 2402 PlusX Aerographic 5x7 Norma 500mm TeleXenar HC110 H (https://flic.kr/p/2oa4Nvt) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

I've been shooting 70mm and 5" perfed 2402 Aero and I REALLY like it. Here's a coupla sheets in D23 1:1

The Spy Net Infared toy Goggles are here. Bought one new in the box. Egad it works!

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Spy+Net+Infrared+Stealth+Binoculars&_sacat=0

[JefW]

Guys, there is a fellow in the LFF classifieds selling 9.5" Plus-X Aerographic for $100/roll, I just bought some. You might want to grab some for 8x10 Panchro shots.


So much film, so little time

[Daniel Unkefer]

So much film, so little time

Same here Jeff :) Here's some 70mm through Hasselblad:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49204098982_fce7b59d33_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hXZSob)400s 70mm Supergrain Blad 100 Planar 1 (https://flic.kr/p/2hXZSob) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Test roll (31 exposures) fresh 70mm Rollei 400s, processed in Rollei Supergrain. JOBO 120/220 reel modified to 70mm width by me, JOBO Multitank 2 Agitated by hand. Film shot last spring, then life came along................... Hasselblad A70 mag, 100mm Zeiss T* Darkroom print Omega DII Omegalite head Aristo #2 RC Ultra Multigrain Dev

[JefW]

Same here Jeff :) Here's some 70mm through Hasselblad:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49204098982_fce7b59d33_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hXZSob)400s 70mm Supergrain Blad 100 Planar 1 (https://flic.kr/p/2hXZSob) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Test roll (31 exposures) fresh 70mm Rollei 400s, processed in Rollei Supergrain. JOBO 120/220 reel modified to 70mm width by me, JOBO Multitank 2 Agitated by hand. Film shot last spring, then life came along................... Hasselblad A70 mag, 100mm Zeiss T* Darkroom print Omega DII Omegalite head Aristo #2 RC Ultra Multigrain Dev

Really nice. I'll have to give the Rollei Supergrain a try.

[Jason Greenberg Motamedi]

I have also been playing with one of the 24cm rolls of Aviphot 200. I bought it with intention to use with 18x24cm, but ended up distracted by 7x11". I am currently using it at 100 iso developed in Rodinal 1:25 for 8 minutes in tubes. It was much easier to scan than print, so I need a bit more testing. It is not easy to cut (so thin), and you can see the image below is not quite square...

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[Tin Can]

very thin film was made to be used as a roll

when it is cut down it curls

Make a vacumn back

and I kid you not, use a Penis Pump as they have tiny...they recharge and turn off

and are very cheap

[Daniel Unkefer]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52324517041_effbba6be4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nHJPXx)SONY DSC (https://flic.kr/p/2nHJPXx) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Mine curls a tiny bit as you can see here, but when inserted into the olde Sinar Norma 18x24cm wooden holders, it's flat and doesn't move around at all. Seems to be clamped down in the holders, so it's fine for my uses. I don't use hangers, I tray develop in 8x10 Cescos from B&H. Or I might try the venerable 8x10 Unicolor Unidrum, I'll report what I find. Jim Galli has not reported any problems over on Phototrio.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49204127097_c03ba37725_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hY11JV)400s 70mm Supergrain Blad 30 Distagon 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2hY11JV) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Test roll (31 exposures) fresh 70mm Rollei 400s, processed in Rollei Supergrain. JOBO 120/220 reel modified to 70mm width by me, JOBO Multitank 2 Agitated by hand. Film shot last spring, then life came along................... Hasselblad A70 mag, 30mm Zeiss T* Darkroom print Omega DII Omegalite head Aristo #2 RC Ultra Multigrain Dev

[Daniel Unkefer]

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Hi Jason!

That looks pretty good to me! The highlights do tend to "bloom" a bit, there a lack of antihalo backing. Also the film having a slight curl means no probs identifying the emulsion side in the dark. No need to clip a corner. Can't speak to how it fits in Fidelities and Liscos, I just really dig these olde Norma holders. I have eight of them :)

I bought a couple of new cutters, I'll show you Guys what's up with those next. Hope to load big holders soon as I have time

[Duolab123]

I have also been playing with one of the 24cm rolls of Aviphot 200. I bought it with intention to use with 18x24cm, but ended up distracted by 7x11". I am currently using it at 100 iso developed in Rodinal 1:25 for 8 minutes in tubes. It was much easier to scan than print, so I need a bit more testing. It is not easy to cut (so thin), and you can see the image below is not quite square...

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That's a great photo!

[Jason Greenberg Motamedi]

Thank you!

I didn't find the curl to be an issue. It sat flat in my holders, and didn't shift around much. I think I have figured out how to cut it evenly (which is, apparently, what I do on Friday nights). The key for me is ensuring that the film reel is parallel with the side of my Rototrim. Sounds obvious, but it is hard to do in the dark.

I was worried that the thinness of the film would mean that it wouldn't sit evenly at the plane of focus in my film holders, but I didn't see any evidence of this. Regardless, a vacuum holder is not the solution. The emulsion of a thinner film would sit further back (and further away from the plane of focus) than a thicker film. It needs something like one of the Linhof film/plate holders which pushes the film forward, rather than pulling it backwards. But loading those with thin film would be very frustrating.

Very happy with my adventures so far.

[Daniel Unkefer]

PLEASE check out Jim Galli's thread over on Phototrio. He doesn't post here on LFF any more. Too bad for us.

He has been cutting 9.5" Aerial rolls for decades. He is THE MAN regarding using Aero films for pictorial work.

https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/how-do-i-cut-9-1-2-long-roll-aerial-recon-film-down-to-use-in-8x10.188505/#post-2679350

Check out his pictures in back issues of "VIEW CAMERA"

[Daniel Unkefer]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52497959403_20b6460973_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nZ4Lk6)SONY DSC (https://flic.kr/p/2nZ4Lk6) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

This is the Fiskar Cutter Jim Galli directed me to. Bought cheaply on Ebay, got four new 45mm blades at the local fabric store. Great cutter! I see why he likes it! Here is my cutting setup, set up for cutting 18x24cm sheets from the huge roll of 24cm Agfa Aviphot. Same emulsion as Rollei 400s, basically. Identical if not the same. Has some slight Infared effect that is very pleasing. I've been shooting this film as Rollei 400s in fresh 70mm, and I like it. Between the Mammo Film, Agfa Aviphot, and Fuji HRU I am all set for 8x10 size shoots. Something I can do in winter times. I have eight 18x24cm original olde wooden Sinar Film Holders that are perfect for shooting this stuff. If I contact print on 8x10 paper, it makes a nice wide black border that I like. Of course I have to spin the plastic cylinder of film so it is oriented for easy cutting. I will set up some wooden stops to hold the biggie roll so it doesn't slide around in the dark. That's about it for now

EDIT: Spin the cutter 180 degrees (facing down), and use a plastic Cesco print tray to keep the heavy roll parallel to the cutter. The Galli Method!

[Tin Can]

You are the correct person to promulgate this adventure

I miss Jim on this forum

The Trio is too hot for me

[Daniel Unkefer]

Thanks Randy. That's good of you to say that :)

OK Guys, anybody here try MeCD4 or Diafine with Aviphot 200?

BTW there is a guy on 'Trio that wants to sell cut sheet film sheets, and ready to go rolls of 120 and 220!!! rolls of Aviphot 200. I told him I will buy ten rolls of the 220 to try. This is a cool idea

Twelve Bucks a roll for 220, hope he starts doing this :)

[j enea]

Thanks Randy. That's good of you to say that :)

OK Guys, anybody here try MeCD4 or Diafine with Aviphot 200?
.... :)

I have used MeCD4. it gives a lower contrast neg that has more shadow detail than other developers. my last neg I used pyro-M in a reduced agitation scheme, per steve sherman's guide, and it gave a great neg but a little less shadow detail, but great highlights. this film has highlight issues, so Im gonna try and nail down the pyro reduced ag scheme.

by the way, is it just me, or does this film seem like a dust magnet and it does scratch easy, like when I remove it or load it into the holders. let me know if you have any more questions

john

[G Benaim]

Hi everyone , I’ve been following this thread since I saw it as I want to try this film for 7x17, but am worried the curl and thinness will affect focal plane placement. Have any of you tried it w the larger sizes? Any issues? I’m waiting on the ir goggles Daniel has, so hopefully cutting in the dark won’t be too hard. Thanks

[JefW]

Hi everyone , I’ve been following this thread since I saw it as I want to try this film for 7x17, but am worried the curl and thinness will affect focal plane placement. Have any of you tried it w the larger sizes? Any issues? I’m waiting on the ir goggles Daniel has, so hopefully cutting in the dark won’t be too hard. Thanks

I haven't used it in holders larger than 8x10, but I don't think curl and thinness have caused any focus problems (judging from landscapes at infinity as well as close-up table-top shots). For 8x10 and 5x7 the direction of the curl (with the emulsion on the concave side) might serve to press the film flat against the septum of the holder.

[G Benaim]

And have you had any extra problems w creasing or scratching? Thanks

[G Benaim]

Also, does anyone have scans of prints, rather than negs? Thanks

[JefW]

And have you had any extra problems w creasing or scratching? Thanks

I haven't had any issues with scratching, even fumbling around in total darkness with my makeshift cutting template and a plexiglass scoring knife.

I've had only one incident with creasing, which you can see in post #47. When replacing to dark-slide after a shot the film snagged and creased. This was easily preventable. The roll is 9 7/16" wide, 250' long. For 8x10, I've been simply making one cut off the roll, resulting in a piece that is about 8 x 9 7/16" (about a half inch too short for my holders). So one of the 4 sides was not held down properly in the holder. A few pieces of tape could mitigate this (or using proper 18x24cm holders).

[JefW]

Also, does anyone have scans of prints, rather than negs? Thanks

Here is a scan of a contact print

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52950938432_ec0c4761f6_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oF6pdm)contact print scan test Aviphot200 IR72 Astoria Park (https://flic.kr/p/2oF6pdm) by Jeff Wingard (https://www.flickr.com/photos/36075970@N05/), on Flickr

[G Benaim]

Great, thanks. And have you found it to be sensitive to ir goggles or can they be used safely without fogging?

[Daniel Unkefer]

Great, thanks. And have you found it to be sensitive to ir goggles or can they be used safely without fogging?

I have not had an opportunity to try loading film with the infared goggles. I bought a new in box unit, it does work in total darkness, although it would take a lot of getting used to! Can't speak to them fogging Aviphot Aero, but I have several other types of panchromatic Aero film, I'm sure they would work with Plus-X Aero 2402, for example. So worth having just for those!

If you scan the thread above, I think Popdoc was using the goggles to cut Agfa Aviphot?? He posted pictures above ^^^. Sorry can't comment, haven't had time for photography recently. But hoping to give it a try soon, that's all I can say :)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52872342822_de5eb459ab_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oy9ztC)SONY DSC (https://flic.kr/p/2oy9ztC) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

[popdoc]

The goggles take some getting used to…

When I first started, they fogged a roll of 120 (TMY?..can’t remember). From that “lesson”,
I taped over the two light sources on the goggles with gaffer’s tape. Went online and found a small tactical far IR flashlight. My darkroom is a converted one car garage. I place the flashlight in a far corner, somewhat obstructed to limit the light to keep the light as dim as possible to safely carry out my work cutting the Aviphot.

So far, so good! No change from base fog after being cut down to 8x10. Exposure to the far away far IR Light source is less than 20 seconds.

Better safe than sorry!

All that said- great addition to the darkroom and workflow.

Next is development by inspection!!!!


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[G Benaim]

So do you think even the ir light source will fog film? I thought only the near ir w the red light would. Guess I’ll have to test.

[G Benaim]

Also, is the flashlight 850 nm or 920? Thanks

[Daniel Unkefer]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52957837533_cb1c37d20c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oFGL5n)Spynet NVG (https://flic.kr/p/2oFGL5n) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Instruction Sheet for Spynet NVG

[popdoc]

850 nanometers.


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[landstrykere]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52321748922_485a3e6b30_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nHuD6m)SONY DSC (https://flic.kr/p/2nHuD6m) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

24cm x 76 meters Agfa Aviphot 200 Aerial Film arrived today!


I have received today the same. The can by side a 8x10 holder:

https://i.imgur.com/kkbmm49.jpg

shipment was fast too from Mumbai. I bought it two days after an old lightmeter bought in USA.. The lightmeter still on the way but the Aviphot roll has arrived.

It's silly, easier to buy an old can of Aviphot manufactured in Antwerpen, in Mumbai and get it shipped to Norway than buying directly from Belgium ...

https://i.imgur.com/acYncjr.jpg


to celebrate I'd enjoy a bolleke of De Koninck with a side shot of brewery's yeast. But for that I'll have to get to Antwerpen for sure.

[landstrykere]

for regular plan film I use guillotine cutters. Aerographic film is thin, so I decided to cut by templates. Very simple but better explain in pictures.
The roll is 24cm by 76m. Cut 18cm lengthwise and you have a 18x24 sheet.
I have a 8"x10"/18x24 camera but I mostly use 5"x7"/13x18 and I also shoot quite of medium format 120/220 roll.
This done in the dark, and on a piece of cutting matte, on a clean surface (not like there...)

I illustrate with a length of white paper instead of the film (width of this paper is less than 24cm, but them just for illustration). I have the roll of Aviphot to the right, and roll off a length until the little fold working as a stop, on the left.

https://i.imgur.com/RVewNkI.jpg

the film will insert well inside this fold:

https://i.imgur.com/WCuhfUk.jpg

so you fold the template. I used metal rulers by the edge of the top fold, glued with cyanoacrylate, its weight and the rigidity of the canson paper do press slightly over the length of film, keeping it well aligned. You can feel with fingers and adjust.

https://i.imgur.com/TF8wIHf.jpg


first cut:

https://i.imgur.com/6UH6EUz.jpg

second cut, and this strip (82cm to 85cm) in 60mm width (not in the picture) makes a roll of 120. The remaining film inside the folded template will give 6x 13x18.

https://i.imgur.com/LIuD0KH.jpg

I use a second template, a folded canson in size 13x18 (or 5"x7"), with also a piece of metallic edge on one side, in order to cut the final sheets ( there will be a small remain at the end, waste, or to use for 2"x3" if you have that, like small Graflex backs).

https://i.imgur.com/B7RCzYu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/y4K0erI.jpg