Lenses for landscape w 4x5 camera

[jrickards615]

I don't have a 4x5 camera yet but I've seen some that I am interested in, some of which include a lens. My wish is to use it for landscape photography and I'm thinking that I'd probably want to use lenses 150mm and wider. I've looked at photos I'd like to have taken and very few indicate the lens used and I'm not so good that I can estimate that from the photo (or is this even possible). If I am to buy one that includes a lens, I'd like to know that it would be in the range of the images I'd like to take.

The camera I'm considering is a Wista 45D. I'm not sure it will support a 58mm but likely it will support a 65mm at the wide end.

What might you suggest, either as a first lens or a series of 2-3 lenses that might meet my needs?

[Dugan]

I'd recommend starting with a 90mm and see how you like it.
There are plenty around, so they're not too expensive. Superwides can get expensive.
Schneider, Nikon, Rodenstock, Fuji...
Be sure to get one in a working, modern shutter like a Copal.
If possible, Try Before You Buy.

[rfesk]

Completely agree.

[djdister]

A 90mm would be a good bet, doubtful a 65mm lens will work in a 45D.

[Doremus Scudder]

Okay, let me give you the standard spiel first:

A 150mm lens is considered "normal" for 4x5 for a couple of reasons. First, it approximates (kind of) the angle of view of your eye, for most, that is. Second, it has enough coverage to allow generous movements (for architecture, etc.). And, it is small enough to be easily portable and not break the bank when purchasing filters. Many recommend this focal length for starting out.

That said, I use my 150mm lens rarely, preferring the slightly wider 135mm. Since I enlarge my negatives and don't hesitate to crop my images, I can easily crop to that 150mm-lens view if I want, but also have the option of the slightly wider view. 135mm Plasmat lenses are small, light have enough coverage for moderate movements and fold up in some field cameras (like my Wista DX). The most common design, designated "W" by Nikkor and Fuji, Schneider has "Symmar" in the name, Rodenstock uses "Sironar."

When you go wider, the next most common lens is a 90mm wide-angle design. In order to cover 4x5 with movements, the lens design results in a larger, heavier lens with larger front and rear elements and, hence, larger filter sizes. Look for the "SW" designation from Nikkor and Fuji, "Super Angulon" from Schneider and "Grandagon" from Rodenstock. The 90mm members of this design family usually come in two sizes the smaller around f/8 (Grandagons are f/6.8) and the larger f/5.6 (Grandagons are f/4.5). The largest lens I carry is a 90mm f/8 lens; the f/5.6 versions are just too bulky and heavy for me.

90mm is really wide on 4x5, so I wouldn't recommend starting with anything wider. Usually I'd suggest you get a two-lens kit to start, something in the 135mm-150mm range and then a 90mm.

If you need longer, then you'll have to make a decision about size/weight vs maximum aperture. The Plasmat "family" of lenses has lots of members, up to 360mm and longer. The longer the focal length, the larger and heavier they get. Some like the 210mm f5.6 Plasmat lenses for starting out, but they are too large for me. I like really compact lenses. Fujinon A series lenses are really compact, high-quality Plasmat lenses. The owe their small size to the smaller maximum aperture of f/9. the 180mm and 240mm members of this family are the most common (I own both and love them).

Kerry Thalmann's website has a lot of info about lenses: http://www.thalmann.com/largeformat/ . It's well worth checking out.

FWIW, I carry a four-lens lightweight kit much of the time: 90mm f/8 SW Nikkor, a 135mm Nikkor W f/5.6 Plasmat, a 203mm f/7.7 Ektar (older, but very compact lens), and a 300mm Nikkor M f/9 (compact Tessar design) or a Fujinon A f/9 240mm.

Hope this helps,

Doremus

[Greg]

Without breaking the bank, I would choose the following starter duo:

105mm f/8 Fujinon SW or 125mm f/5.6 Fujinon
180mm or 210mm f/5.6 Fujinon-W

If acquiring only one lens then it would be a 150mm. In the mid 1970s I acquired and used an 8x10 with only one lens (equivalent to a 150mm on 4x5). For almost 10 years this was my complete LF "system". Shot hundreds of negatives with this combo.

[LabRat]

I agree with Greg to at least get one lens on the camera and start shooting... Your new format probably has one sweet spot that works with the way you see a scene, and you may find it works perfectly for you most of the time... (Wides may seem too wide, and teles not long enough etc coming from other formats)... Then you can make an informed choice on how to expand your lens lineup...

Don't buy everything at once, but your choices will be better if you wait to see how you evolve...

Steve K

[John Kasaian]

Take a gander at what Roman Loranc does with a 210mm
https://www.romanloranc.com/

[jrickards615]

90mm is really wide on 4x5 ...



Ah, I didn't realize that it made such a difference on 4x5. This is good to know. I think then that I might start with a 150mm, as they can be relatively inexpensive and light and when I'm ready (and feel the need to), pickup a 90mm.

Thanks everyone for your comments, this has been really enlightening.

[Corran]

All depends on how you see and what you shoot...90mm is more or less a "normal" lens in my eye. I rarely use anything longer than 150mm, and some days I'll shoot an entire day with just a 47mm or 58mm lens. Just depends. Consider what you shoot on 35mm or 120 and those lenses. If you really like a 25mm on 35mm film or a 55mm on 6x7 for instance, a 90mm might be your perfect lens. A 150mm is like a 45mm on 35mm film or 90mm on 6x7.

[Alan Klein]

Whatever lens you select, pick one that takes a smaller filter that could be used on other lenses as you expand the number of lenses you buy. So for example, let's say the lens takes 55mm filters. Use 77mm filters and then use step-up adapters for the lenses. That way you only need one set of filters for all the lenses you'll buy.

[Bernice Loui]

Consider the current lens focal length most often used with the film or digital image recording format size currently being used. This can aprox translate to what would be similar in 4x5 film format. 90mm wide angle lens on 4x5 is the most common, it is some what similar to a 24mm on 35mm film. This approximation is not that precise/accurate due to the differing image ratios.

Most common 4x5 three lens set would be 90mm, 150mm to 210mm, 300mm (might be an issues on the Wista 45_).

Majority of 4x5 cameras made can accommodate these focal lengths with varying ability to fully utilize lens image circle. Point being, the Wista being a field folder is not going to do well at all with extracting every image circle of wide angle lenses less than 90mm. All view cameras are a set of trade-offs. Before diving into any view camera purchase for image making, try to gain a better idea of what lens focal lengths will be needed for your image goals in the here and now, then try to project what lens focal lengths will be needed in the not too distant future that are required to meet your image goals.

Choice of view camera should be far down on the priority list as it is much a lens and image goal support device.


Bernice





I don't have a 4x5 camera yet but I've seen some that I am interested in, some of which include a lens. My wish is to use it for landscape photography and I'm thinking that I'd probably want to use lenses 150mm and wider. I've looked at photos I'd like to have taken and very few indicate the lens used and I'm not so good that I can estimate that from the photo (or is this even possible). If I am to buy one that includes a lens, I'd like to know that it would be in the range of the images I'd like to take.

The camera I'm considering is a Wista 45D. I'm not sure it will support a 58mm but likely it will support a 65mm at the wide end.

What might you suggest, either as a first lens or a series of 2-3 lenses that might meet my needs?

[Havoc]

If I look at what I use, then it is the CM-W 125mm. Next the SWD 75mm then the CM-W 250mm. But I do use the 90mm or 150mm from time to time.

The diagonal equivalence might be nice to know, but I rarely look at photos in a diagonal way. I look at the principal axis which is most often for me horizontal with the longest axis horizontal.

But the 75mm with the standard bellows on the Wista becomes hard if you want more than a little bit of shift. I wouldn't want to use a 65mm without a bag bellow. And I don't have one.

[LabRat]

Relax, most UWA lenses barely cover the format, so movements are mostly out anyway... (Camera just needs to focus properly and not obstruct image...) But you do get some with many 90mm's...

Steve K