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Ulophot
17-Jun-2021, 16:42
The endlessly rich subject of composition can always be explored afresh. Depending on whom you ask, it can present itself as a bewildering domain or one strictly governed by a rigid and limited set of rules; a realm of Classical thought, Romantic drama, or anarchic disregard, to suggest just a few outlines. Some view Classicism only through specific geometrical forms or divisions of the frame, or, too often, attempt to convince others that successful images always fit these patterns, even when the plain evidence of their own examples leaves the proposition highly doubtful. I open with these remarks in hopes of eluding discussion, in this particular thread, of what are often called rules of composition.

No less an influence in photography than Henri Cartier-Bresson was intrigued (not imprisoned) by geometry, as he, himself, discussed, and a stickler on composition, as reported by a number of his colleagues at the Magnum photo agency he founded. In the book Magnum Contact Sheets, which I recently got my hands on (Aside: Interlibrary loan, if you haven't used it, is a vast and marvelous resource for those of us shy on investment resources), several mentioned his unfailingly studying incoming photographs by turning them upside-down and on their sides. He was not alone among artists of many media doing this, and we large format photographers are hardly unfamiliar with studying images upside down.

I just finished another book, Arnold Newman, Masterclass. As an aspiring portraitist who has also left the studio behind and prefers natural light, I am drawn to his work. Like Cartier-Bresson, a trail-blazer. Initially a student of painting, his compositional eye is exceptional. Like Strand, another master of composition, he preferred the large format camera, though their approach and work is starkly different.

I mention them because their work continues to find its way into my continuing studies, and because neither they nor anyone else I have read, as much as I can recall (major caveat!) have discussed an aspect of composition that seems essential to portraits in particular, as well as to some other images. This aspect is the priority of attention that we naturally give to the human face in an image. Perhaps they did speak and/or write about it; perhaps it seemed too obvious.

I've spent considerable time exploring the proposition, testing it out. Granted, I am only one viewer, with my own outlook and underlying emotional peculiarities. In my view, while turning an image upside down is frequently a good test of composition—that is, of the formal internal organization of the rectangle (this assumes, I think, that we consider composition as a unity of sorts, as far as that may go, including visual ironies of various sorts); and while a portrait may continue to exhibit formal strength, even brilliance, in this manner, we do not read the face as we do when it is right-side-up, hence the compositional dynamic really becomes something entirely different, whereas an image without a person's face in it may (though not always) be submitted to this test without such a marked difference.

I'm not saying that a landscape, still life, or what have you is the same upside down. Rather, a portrait tends to draw our eye into the image on a path that it wouldn't necessarily travel if the person, especially the face, were replaced by an object of similar tonal characteristics. We look to the person in the image for meaning, for an emotional connection, in some way. Because of this, when turned upside-down, which tends to prevent us from reading the face emotionally as we would otherwise, the composition tends to read very differently. Other areas of the image can assume a far greater visual command. I find this to be strongly true in Newman's portraits, which holds its own irony, since he frequently portrayed artists in Modernist sorts of composition, in which form is paramount.

I say that we look for meaning, recognizing that it is not always there. A head in profile, for instance, close-up, can become a study in line or sculptural qualities, as Ansel Adams recounted derogatory comments of his early studio portrait of Caroline Anspacher (https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_993420, or see his Forty Examples book). In such images, the formal reclaims its role. We find the same in certain drawings and other works of fine portraitists such as John Singer Sargent.

Of course, the question may be raised: how, then, does one compose a portrait with the image upside on the ground glass? It's an interesting question, and much may be profited from dialogue. Here, portrait has been used generically, and the variety in portraiture, including how much of the frame is occupied by the face, is hardly limited. Generally, however, I would answer that we take it into account somehow. For those of us who have no compunctions about cropping, there is also a means of potentially improving the composition in the print.

For me, the subject remains in mind as I feel my way forward in this field. I welcome your thoughts.

NER
18-Jun-2021, 18:07
I agree with your observation on the way we entertain portraits. In response to your interesting question, I would like to suggest that the most important aspects of composition, namely balance and inclusion or exclusion, should be and usually are decided to a great degree before we see the subject on the ground glass. Refinements performed on the glass are made chiefly to confirm we have chosen the right lens (e.g., 135 vs. 150), and complete those movements necessary to assure the subject is rendered as imagined (i.e., that the camera is pointed to cover what we intended to include and exclude when we decided to take the picture, and that the lens is positioned and set to obtain the desired sharpness and other optical effects). In other words, I am suggesting that the matter of composition is settled early on, much in the same way that zone system values are visualized before exposure, except that the former, which for me always occurs before an exposure decision is made, is more intuitive. Beyond that, I believe a successful portrait depends entirely on the photographer’s ability to capture the subject at just the right moment, as Karsh did with Churchill, or as Sander and Polk did with virtually everyone they photographed.

N. Riley
http://normanrileyphotography.com

Tin Can
19-Jun-2021, 03:32
I think portraiture may be formalized

But the decisive moment is what we want

and found only face to face

Karsh

LabRat
19-Jun-2021, 04:39
Generally (if possible), camera should be set-up beforehand using an assistant to sit in the spot so framing/focusing is about complete, lights are in position, flash or light meter readings are done, and other calculations are made... That way, subject can ease into shooting set and you can ease in because the tech part is behind you... So not a lot of time required to start rapport with eased sitter...

Short of that, any pre-prep for set up you can do beforehand will be very helpful...

If you are struggling/sweating, sitter will notice and might get tense/nervous... The best people shooters at the session are as smooth as glass... Like it's no big deal and you know what you are doing... :-)

Steve K

Ulophot
19-Jun-2021, 06:39
Thanks for the comments.

Steve, yes, but with caveats for certain types of situation. I have certainly done it that way and achieved results with which I was happy, for instance, the portrait of Amelia Boynton Robinson, made when she came for dinner one night, in my Flickr portraits gallery. I have made more casual ones with the same prep. However, in portraits made on location, of the type I want to make now, set-up ahead is not always possible, and I may want to pose my subject in two or more places, and/or with changes of clothing, depending on the setting and the subject. What you say about rapport is certainly essential, but the most successful portraitists whose writings I have read, have spoken of doing whatever it takes to loosen up stiff sitters or get behind the mask, so to speak.

There's a funny anecdote in the Newman Masterclass book in which he appeared so utterly inept at the beginning of a session that his friend-assistant began to wonder about him. But it was all a ruse that made the sitter change to a natural position and adopt a relaxed expression—click! (I was reminded of Robert Falk as the detective in the Columbo TV show years ago.)

After years of studio work, I relish the challenges of location/natural light work now, whether I succeed in tackling them or not.

LabRat
19-Jun-2021, 07:17
Yea, I had heard that about Newman from a fotog who was on some shoots with him... He could be a little aloof, and sitters could even have a little sympathy for him and try to make it easier for him, then click/click/click...

I guess I mean about set-up is to decide the scale of set-up you want to do... Some photogs I worked with would bring a truckload of gear to a shoot, but I often had to work with bare minimums for photojournalism portraits I had to shoot on-the-fly and got comfortable using available light with maybe a on camera flash for fill, or a single light or strobe... I had been watching a bunch of films shot by cinematographer James Wong Howe, where in his later films, there was a van with 4 guys and a Lowell kit, and an entire film was shot with that (I think a good example was "Seconds" I think the title)...

I might have to shoot for $$$ again (dam it) to do environmental portraits, going to places where the subjects work or dwell, and shooting them engaged in their environments, and hoping I can get away with available key lights, and my (new to me) Norman 200b battery strobe for fill... I figure the smartest thing I could do is to keep it simple so the subject and I are at maximum ease...

I like it when the environment the sitter is in reflects what is in their mind...

Steve K

Ulophot
19-Jun-2021, 14:31
"I like it when the environment the sitter is in reflects what is in their mind..."

Yes, exactly. The interior natural light LF portrait can run into very long shutter speeds just where the environment is best. I had to resort to boosting light from one direction with diffused lamp just over a year ago in order to get the composition I wanted. I had brought lights, because I knew the room would be pretty dark, and I ended up having to shoot MF anyway.

Travelling light is good. I've hauled a suitcase of three buff White Lightnings around plus stands, etc.; it's a load. Decades ago, before I learned much about portrait lighting, I went to photograph a third-party presidential candidate at his apartment, arriving with three 6' PIC stands and several 250-W bulbs with Bakelite sockets in aluminum reflectors —an awkward jumble. Just after I arrived, a photographer from U.S. News & World Report arrived and was given precedence; I was happy to watch. He was carrying a small camera bag and another bag about the size of an arrow quiver slung over his shoulder. Out came a light stand on which he deftly mounted a light I didn’t know existed (and couldn’t have afforded anyway)—a Tota-light with a 1000-W lamp (before Lowell reduced max to 750), which he bounced off a side wall-ceiling, filling the small room with soft light. With an Leica rangefinder, he wound off a roll of shots about as fast as winding went, with the candidate seated at his desk. Then he turned off the Tota to cool while they went to the next room, the candidate sat down, and this time it was a shoe-mounted strobe pointed straight up while he wound off a new series from low to high angle. Done, all in about 10 minutes.

Of course, that's not what I'm after now.

Tin Can
19-Jun-2021, 15:26
Some sitters are experienced

They know what they want, perhaps an executive knows their best side, angle and how to push their head forward, to hide a neck

Others will chafe at any suggestion

A littler 'patter' before shooting may help both sitter and shooter

I am never fond of hair and makeup helpers, they can wear everybody out far too soon, seems the more they fiddle, the more they justify their paid work

Here is an example, a paid model, paid by first shooter, I got to shoot last, everybody was worn, 4 hours+

Her face is tight, the frock silly, I shot LF very quickly, the first shooter shot lots of digi

Hair and makeup for 3 sitters was 3 hours...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51129446962_11c5635160.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kU8Mg1)Polaroid Piano Lady (https://flic.kr/p/2kU8Mg1) by TIN CAN COLLEGE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tincancollege/), on Flickr

wclark5179
20-Jun-2021, 20:14
The person I learned the most from for portraiture was Monte Zucker. He was my mentor and coach and he believed in a classical style of making portraits that produced lifelike and pleasing results that many people like.

Ulophot
21-Jun-2021, 10:48
wclark, yes, he was among those whose work I pored over and whose articles in PPA mag I read and saved, years back. I used some of it in my commercial portraiture for about a decade, though I won't say I mastered it. I just ordered a book on creating busts in sculpture (clay), Portrait Sculpting: Anatomy & Expressions in Clay; I'll be interested to see what I can learn from it, too.

I enjoyed the commercial side of my work, which required studying on my own and applying the principles on the job; I learned a lot that way. Ultimately, however, my heart was always pulling in a different direction. My new venture in portraiture -- when I feel safe to restart it again -- is a path away from the kinds of posing I did commercially and presents a number of additional challenges to which I am looking forward.

wclark5179
21-Jun-2021, 18:19
Ulophot,

Thanks for you thoughts.

In my mid fifties, professional photography was a second career for me. Monte really helped me. There is a book that Monte had written that is quite interesting. I believe it is available on Amazon. Try You tube for a video or two Monte produced. He wrote, usually monthly, articles that appeared in Shutterbug.

At any rate, he really helped me get my business going.

Bernice Loui
22-Jun-2021, 10:05
Monte Zucker, Phillip Charis ( http://www.phillipstewartcharis.com/home.html ) and others from that generation of Portrait photographers adopted then popularized classic portrait painting style going back to Rembrandt's Portraits and perceived application of light in these paintings https://www.artic.edu/exhibitions/9244/rembrandt-portraits

These photographers not only popularized then commercialized this Portrait style, the brought forth an awareness of what GOOD Photographic Portraiture can be, If that is the style of Portraiture clients want and desire.

This is only one small means and method of what has been done with Photographic Portraiture. Others like Karsh, George Hurell, Clarance Bull, Edward Steichen, Richard Avedon, Sally Mann, Joyce Tenneson, Howard Schwarz and countless others have done their take on Photographic Portraiture, they have developed their own style in effective ways.

Yet, what makes an effective Portrait is not just composition, it is much about light, shadow, form and most of all expressiveness of the portrait sitter. In this sense, the Photographer can be a symbiotic means for the portrait sitter's expressiveness (Yousuf Karsh, Howard Schwartz) or the Photographer can use the portrait sitter as an extension of their ego expression (Richard Avedon, George Hurell as an example).

Portraits can be focused on the individual or the individual as part of an environment.. Regardless, it is again much about sharing some aspect of the human condition using a 2D image.



Bernice

Bernice Loui
22-Jun-2021, 10:45
Kenny Rogers (singer) did a Portrait book years ago:

Your Friends And Mine.
https://www.artelisted.com/auction-lot/book-kenny-rogers-your-friends-and-mine_FC647B58B0

Worth a look as the Portraits started out in one direction then changed as this project progressed.
Kenny noted the difficulties going from 4x5 used for landscape photography (John Sexton student) to 8x10 and all involved for Portraits.


Bernice

Tin Can
22-Jun-2021, 14:32
Yes, the Male gaze

I was unaware of these http://www.phillipstewartcharis.com/home.html

I used to be in ARTIC everyday, sometimes just a shortcut to the other side




Monte Zucker, Phillip Charis ( http://www.phillipstewartcharis.com/home.html ) and others from that generation of Portrait photographers adopted then popularized classic portrait painting style going back to Rembrandt's Portraits and perceived application of light in these paintings https://www.artic.edu/exhibitions/9244/rembrandt-portraits

These photographers not only popularized then commercialized this Portrait style, the brought forth an awareness of what GOOD Photographic Portraiture can be, If that is the style of Portraiture clients want and desire.

This is only one small means and method of what has been done with Photographic Portraiture. Others like Karsh, George Hurell, Clarance Bull, Edward Steichen, Richard Avedon, Sally Mann, Joyce Tenneson, Howard Schwarz and countless others have done their take on Photographic Portraiture, they have developed their own style in effective ways.

Yet, what makes an effective Portrait is not just composition, it is much about light, shadow, form and most of all expressiveness of the portrait sitter. In this sense, the Photographer can be a symbiotic means for the portrait sitter's expressiveness (Yousuf Karsh, Howard Schwartz) or the Photographer can use the portrait sitter as an extension of their ego expression (Richard Avedon, George Hurell as an example).

Portraits can be focused on the individual or the individual as part of an environment.. Regardless, it is again much about sharing some aspect of the human condition using a 2D image.



Bernice

LabRat
22-Jun-2021, 21:14
Different styles, different approaches... The most common portrait approach is to put subject in center of frame (as they are the most important feature)... Then there was an approach to allow an artistic rendering of subject in frame off-center to allow negative space for the subject to co-exist with... In environmental portraits, the surroundings allow someplace for the sitter to exist...

In Newman's work, often there is a scene with its own composition, and subject is "dropped" into it... He would start with the scene composition, maybe "tweaking" scene reality with a wide lens, maybe tipping camera down a little allowing distortion, then figuring where to place subject somewhere in frame... A really radical approach!!!

Sometimes tech/process limits composition, such as using a Petzval or other lens with a focus fall-off from center puts subject in OOF areas unsuitable for center of interest, of light fall-off etc... (A.L. Coburn explored this "grey area" much...)

You can make or break rules here... Make your own waves, and ride them!!! ;-)

Steve K

Tin Can
23-Jun-2021, 03:41
A free look at reality, been a subscriber a long time, even when it was a FREE paper magazine

Eye-Catching Portraits and Photos of the Week (https://www.rangefinderonline.com/news-features/photo-of-the-day/eye-catching-portraits-and-photos-of-the-week-28/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Eye-Catching+Portraits+and+Photos+of+the+Week&utm_campaign=RF+Eng+20210622+POTW)

Sean Mac
23-Jun-2021, 17:32
I draw, paint and make images with cameras.

Faces near "Life Size" are where I feel comfortable.

The classic 8x10 "headshot" is great to work from in almost any media.

If I have no restrictions I like A2 with some space around the subject at "Life Size" or a little bigger.

Painters have used big canvases to great effect in "enviromental" portraiture without making their subjects much larger than life.

To me, "Scale" is an important consideration for portraits.

Once we get close to "Lifesize" I prefer to use the available space to establish subject/enviroment relationships.

So the size of the intended image influences the composition, for me........
:)

Ulophot
23-Jun-2021, 18:52
Sean, I certainly agree with you on scale, though my prints never approach life-size. My printing set-up allows up to 11x14 paper, so a print with a fair amount of environment keeps the figure scale well below that. Other discussions here and elsewhere have taken up this subject over the years; it's interesting to hear or read how others think about the issue.

LabRat
24-Jun-2021, 00:03
It starts looking scary when heads are larger than life-sized (like "Big Brother" murals)...

Even scarier must have been when someone told me of going to porno films in some old quanset hut theater with an exceptionally large screen, and details were enlarged to many times natural size (like trees)... :-0

Steve K

Tin Can
24-Jun-2021, 04:15
Back then threaters had live porno stars before/during the movies

18 and above, we went because we could not go bars

My mistake, men were not allowed in bars, women/child were, really pissed me off to see that

The signs outside read, 'Bring Your Cameras!' I did not, but lot's of old guys were very excited, shooting with looong lenses kneeling in the aisles

My last studio was very close to that theater, now big $$$ condos


It starts looking scary when heads are larger than life-sized (like "Big Brother" murals)...

Even scarier must have been when someone told me of going to porno films in some old quanset hut theater with an exceptionally large screen, and details were enlarged to many times natural size (like trees)... :-0

Steve K

Sean Mac
24-Jun-2021, 06:39
Sean, I certainly agree with you on scale, though my prints never approach life-size. My printing set-up allows up to 11x14 paper, so a print with a fair amount of environment keeps the figure scale well below that. Other discussions here and elsewhere have taken up this subject over the years; it's interesting to hear or read how others think about the issue.

Hi Philip,

Portraits are one of the great subjects of visual arts. John Singer Sargent studied the work of Hals and Velazquez the same way we might look at the images made by Karsh. Velazquez went to Italy on the advice of Rubens. We follow our paths now but the questions are sort of timeless.

The thought that struck me reading your original post was that I recently wished for the opposite of cropping.

I am lucky that reshooting will be possible with that subject but it was a lesson on the dangers of cropping too tight with the camera for me.

Perhaps a bad habit acquired from tiny format cameras :rolleyes:

11x14 is a good size. I make digital negatives on a A3 inkjet. The ULF camera will take another few years.

I work bigger with oil on canvas.

:)

Drew Wiley
24-Jun-2021, 13:42
I'm certainly no portrait professional. But I've found out that, at least for me, the most sincere and spontaneous, or "inner" expression I get from a sitter, is ironically with the slowest, most deliberate vehicle of 8x10 format itself. The "decisive moment" might be for just an instant, but a Lecia doesn't necessarily give you any advantage in that respect. It's more a matter of intuition.

Otherwise, successful pro portraits studios tend to develop their own special look and appropriate workflow. I'd much rather study the classic old masters at it, like Stieglitz, Steichen, and Cameron. Too many "how-to" formulas would just kill the real deal. Composition has to be felt and not just strategized. I normally charged per print, mounted and framed, just like any other darkroom "fine art" print of mine, and not by the job or session. But that's what they expected from me all along, or they would have inquired elsewhere.

Ulophot
24-Jun-2021, 18:31
Drew, thanks for your comment. I' with you entirely on studying the masters, in art as well as other fields of exploration, and I'm sure we'd agree on including painters in our studies. Your comment on the 8x10 capturing the decisive moment caught my attention. 4x5 is my only LF, but, leaving my powerful strobes out of my kit as I have since I returned to photography, the challenge becomes shutter speed. I have been investigating how others have handled this matter, and are doing so today, which has given me a better sense of how to engage with my subjects in this respect. Since I am seeking combinations of pose and expression that, generally, will suggest the person's talent or area of interest, as well as personality, the "instant" may be one more prolonged than that requiring a movement-freezing strobe pop. Strand's work, among many others', testifies to the possibilities.