Availability of Fujichrome Velvia 50, 4x5 sheet film

[Deke]

Hi all,

I was looking for some Fujichrome Velvia 50, 4x5 sheet film.
It's a very long time, probably 20 yrs, since I last purchased any.
I was shocked to see the price of it now!!!
Can anyone recommend a good, current source for it?
Thank you in advance.
Regards,

Derek

[Alan9940]

Check with Kumar (search for him on these boards) and see if he's still handling it. Or, you might be able to buy it directly from Amazon Japan. I've done both in the past, but it has been a long time so no clue as to availability.

[Oren Grad]

So far as I can tell, Velvia 50 sheet film is no longer imported to the US. It is still offered in Japan - Amazon.jp is currently showing the 4x5 at Y12,473 per box of 20, plus shipping, and Yodobashi Camera is showing it at Y13,720. You'll have to ask Kumar to see what price he can get through his distributor.

FWIW, those 4x5 transparency films that are still offered in the US are around $5 a sheet.

[Alan Klein]

So far as I can tell, Velvia 50 sheet film is no longer imported to the US. It is still offered in Japan - Amazon.jp is currently showing the 4x5 at Y12,473 per box of 20, plus shipping, and Yodobashi Camera is showing it at Y13,720. You'll have to ask Kumar to see what price he can get through his distributor.

FWIW, those 4x5 transparency films that are still offered in the US are around $5 a sheet.

Where's that?

[Oren Grad]

Where's that?

Check your favorite mail-order source - B&H, Adorama, Freestyle, whatever.

[Drew Wiley]

Velvia 100F is a better product in my opinion because the sheet version is made on a far superior dimensionally-stable polyester base (versus acetate). But I know that there are some who prefer the slightly different hue signature of the 50 speed product. Although I'm not trying to convert you to a different film, while you're at it, you should try out the new E100 Ekachrome product from Kodak - not as extremely saturated as Velvia, but with better neutral balance than either Velvia or Provia. Yes, there will be sticker shock compared to former pricing. Every time I need to buy a box of 8X10 color film these days, I make sure my defibrillator is in reach. 4X5 is now the "new 8x10" in terms of color film pricing. But in terms of overall inflation, 50 bucks or a little more per box is not terribly out of line with certain other things. It's amazing just how much the pricing of acrylic picture frame glazing, even high-quality acrylic house paint has gone up. Museum mounting board has skyrocketed.

[Deke]

Thanks Alan.
Kumar contacted me to let me know that he can supply it.

[Deke]

Every time I need to buy a box of 8X10 color film these days, I make sure my defibrillator is in reach.

Hi Drew, now that's funny; however, I appreciate why you said that. :)

[Deke]

So far as I can tell, Velvia 50 sheet film is no longer imported to the US. It is still offered in Japan - Amazon.jp is currently showing the 4x5 at Y12,473 per box of 20, plus shipping, and Yodobashi Camera is showing it at Y13,720. You'll have to ask Kumar to see what price he can get through his distributor.

FWIW, those 4x5 transparency films that are still offered in the US are around $5 a sheet.

Thanks for the information Oren.

[Kiwi7475]

Velvia 100F is a better product in my opinion because the sheet version is made on a far superior dimensionally-stable polyester base (versus acetate). But I know that there are some who prefer the slightly different hue signature of the 50 speed product. Although I'm not trying to convert you to a different film, while you're at it, you should try out the new E100 Ekachrome product from Kodak - not as extremely saturated as Velvia, but with better neutral balance than either Velvia or Provia. Yes, there will be sticker shock compared to former pricing. Every time I need to buy a box of 8X10 color film these days, I make sure my defibrillator is in reach. 4X5 is now the "new 8x10" in terms of color film pricing. But in terms of overall inflation, 50 bucks or a little more per box is not terribly out of line with certain other things. It's amazing just how much the pricing of acrylic picture frame glazing, even high-quality acrylic house paint has gone up. Museum mounting board has skyrocketed.

I fully agree about Provia— and it’s just slightly more resilient to being underexposed / resolving shadows. Velvia is just so unforgiving.

The new E100 is quite amazing too, but oh, even more expensive!

Provia fills all my slide needs.

[Alan Klein]

I fully agree about Provia— and it’s just slightly more resilient to being underexposed / resolving shadows. Velvia is just so unforgiving.

The new E100 is quite amazing too, but oh, even more expensive!

Provia fills all my slide needs.

But when you get Velvia 50 right, there's nothing like it. :)

[Kiwi7475]

But when you get Velvia 50 right, there's nothing like it. :)

I know this is controversial but I think Velvia is overrated. It’s just a bit more contrasty (mostly because the shadows fall darker more quickly), a bit more vivid, and with a definite red cast. All those things can be easily added in photoshop and it gets really close. I know these are things that a lot people love but even the team that created Velvia 50 went on to produce Velvia 100 as a way to correct these “defects”. But of course it didn’t take off.

[Alan Klein]

I know this is controversial but I think Velvia is overrated. It’s just a bit more contrasty (mostly because the shadows fall darker more quickly), a bit more vivid, and with a definite red cast. All those things can be easily added in photoshop and it gets really close. I know these are things that a lot people love but even the team that created Velvia 50 went on to produce Velvia 100 as a way to correct these “defects”. But of course it didn’t take off.

It didn't take off because the colors suck. Since I shoot on a tripod, the one-stop lower speed of Velvia 50 is worth the better colors.

[Drew Wiley]

At least the processing options for E6 are becoming more price-competitive here on the West Coast, along with the revival of Ektachrome itself, which seems to be driving that. I don't worry about it much with 4X5; but it does heavily factor heavily if one is shooting 8X10. At one point, the processing cost as much as the film itself, essentially doubling the price of every 8X10 shot to around $30 every time you tripped the shutter. I'm not blaming anyone. The remaining film labs were under a lot of overhead, and terrible pressure from redevelopment, being forced to relocate. And without sufficient daily film volume, the dedicated machines can't realistically be kept in operation. 4x5 was never an issue, but 8x10 processing got scarce, sometimes for E6, sometimes for C41. And I really didn't want to add yet another development process to my own darkroom schedule.

Now things are reaching equilibrium a little better; and even though there's a distinct rise in the price of color sheet film, it's somewhat offset by a trend toward lower processing rates. Again, I don't worry about this if I'm getting done just a few sheets or 4X5 at a time, or 120 roll film - I just want the most convenient local lab with the least nerve-wracking traffic congestion in between. But if I were to return from a long trip with a lot of shots, or shoot a number of 8x10's, then there is a significant advantage to having a choice of processing options, with some at more reasonable rates.

Currently, I'm not printing from chromes at all - Cibachrome being long gone. But I am making internegatives from select large format chromes already on hand, then optically enlarge these onto RA4 print media. Yes, a fair amount of expense and work is involved, including advanced masking skills; but in the majority of instances so far, I'm getting the best color reproduction ever, and certainly better than what I'd expect from inkjet or other scanned options. But my primary shooting is now all color neg film. I'm toying with the idea of again shooting 8X10 chromes, and then converting those to contact internegs. But gosh, two sheets of 8x10 color film (one positive, one negative), plus processing, at least one sheet of black and white 8x10 film, maybe several, for masking purposes - heck, that can easily run $75 to $100 per image just for prep, even before actual printing costs, plus a lot of very meticulous fuss. So for now, I'm just doing that for a select few of my very many already extant LF chromes. The bigger problem at the moment, however, is just acquiring the specific rolls of RA4 paper I really want. The epidemic has caused a lot of missing gears and slipping pulleys to the supply chain, it seems. But that should improve.