Going Wide on 5x7

[RoboRepublic]

Hi folks, I recently shot a building on my RZ67 with its 50mm lens and I want to try and replicate the success on my 5x7. Turns out that my Heliar 21cm is way too long for the required distance and I'm looking for something that I can use to shoot buildings with in the (27mm*4.7) ~125mm variety.
I mostly shoot portraits, and having something at that focal length could also double as a wide-ish portrait lens on 4x5 color negative.
I'm wondering what folks would recommend for good skin tones that I can use for architecture in times of need!
I'd keep to the Heliar family as I really do like the look out of the 21cm but my understanding is that 15cm Heliar doesn't cover 5x7
Ali

[Dugan]

A Fujinon-W 135mm f5.6 (inside writing) will cover 5x7 without much movement. Small, light, inexpensive, 46mm filter size.
I'm sure someone will come along and suggest something better, but this is a start.

[Bob Salomon]

90mm 45 Grandagon N MC or the Spo Grandagon covrper 57 easily.

[Oren Grad]

Each of the Big Four offered a lens that was designed for precisely this use-case:

115mm Rodenstock Grandagon(-N)
120mm Schneider Super-Angulon (or the older 121mm SA)
120mm Nikkor-SW
125mm Fujinon-SW

Each offers ample room for movement on 5x7 and so is well-suited to architectural work, where corrections are often needed. Through they're a little bit large and heavy for 4x5, they're still within reason for use on that format as well.

[Mark Sampson]

I'll second Mr. Grad's comment. I have an older (1957) 121/8 SA, and one like it would suit your purpose well. The newer multicoated versions might have more contrast than you want. And I think that it would be too wide for portraiture, but that's just me.
The 90mm lenses Mr. Salomon mentions will also do well (especially for interiors) but will be seriously wide on 5x7. You might start with a 115/125 and see how you like it.
I thought of my 135/6.3 Kodak Wide Field Ektar (for the 'classic' look) but it will barely cover 5x7 w/o camera movements.

[Daniel Unkefer]

I have a 5x7 Sinar Norma new to me, I have only shot with it once. I used the 75mm F8 chrome Super Angulon to expose the entire image circle. If I ever do it again I will add the Schneider 75mm F8 Super Angulon center filter.

I also have a Schneider 121mm F8 marked Sinar Norma, forward mounted with full Norma automation. This is the real deal for 5x7 moderate wide with great movements. Next up it's the Sinar Norma Schneider 165mm F8 chrome Super Angulon also full Norma automation.

I'm looking forward to giving these a good go with Fuji HRU Xray film. 5x7 makes nice sized split-printed RC contact prints.

Prices all over the place but I've seen these old chrome lenses go for very low prices. Figure in a good cleaning and you are set.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49078896253_8833033949_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hLWaYr)First 5x7 Norma Test 75f8 SA CF E3 150F9 Aristo2 Perfection 3.5min (https://flic.kr/p/2hLWaYr) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

[Luis-F-S]

The 111 WA Dagor covers as should the 130 W Perigons.

[Greg]

Schneider Super-Angulon XL 90mm f/5.6 MC... A physically large lens but covers my whole plate so would provide you with ample movements on your 5x7. Expensive one would think, but after looking around for one for about 6 months, I acquired one in mint condition in its original box for $500 and change (off eBay and I was the only bidder); and then a couple of weeks after getting mine, found another one FS for even less money!!! I think most people are put off by its size and seeing them put up FS for a grand plus. Thing is that yes the lens is large but unless one is backpacking it is not a deal breaker for me. And seeing ones put up FS for over a grand, one thinks that they are beyond one's budget. But after following several being offered for a grand plus, also saw that they did not sell for those prices.

[AA+]

My Super-Angulon-type lenses for 5x7 wide-angle photography are 72mm f/5.6 SAXL w/filter, 90mm f/5.6 SAXL w/filter, 115mm f/6.8 Rodenstock Grandagon, and plasmat 135mm f/5.6 Rodenstock Apo-Sironar-S.

The least covering power of these 4 lenses is held by the plasmat. The 72mm is equivalent to 15mm for 35mm full-frame film, the widest modern lens I know for 5x7.

Best wishes --- Allen

[Jim Andrada]

I use an f90mm Super Angulon with a center filter for 5 x 7. Works fine.

[rfesk]

Nikon 90/8 also covers with no problems other then the normal light fall off.

[Kevin Crisp]

1. 150 g Claron is a great lens for 5X7 and it covers with room for significant movement. People say it doesn't, but it does.

2. 120mmm Super Angulon. These are surprisingly affordable but big.

3. 90mm f:8 Nikkor.

[Greg Y]

My standard wide lens on 5x7 has been the Dagor 4 3/8"......tiny lens and a fine performer...& like Kevin said the also tiny & inexpensive 150 G Claron.

[Bernice Loui]

Previously discussed:

https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?143843-Good-choice-for-a-5x7-wide-angle&highlight=150mm+super+symmar


Bernice

[chris77]

I use an f90mm Super Angulon with a center filter for 5 x 7. Works fine.

+1

[Eric Woodbury]

The El Nikkor 90mm f/8 is a comfortable lens on 5x7. Prices were very low on this lens a while back, but not sure now. 72mm SA XL is a fun lens for 5x7, but not sure about portraits unless they are environmental style. A good lens for middle-wide range is the 110mm/5.6 Super Symmar XL. Lots of coverage.

[Daniel Unkefer]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50508763753_31939386d6_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2jXhBLn)Nearly Restored 5x7 Sinar Norma (https://flic.kr/p/2jXhBLn) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Since we are all locked down I have been working on restoring my old Normas, as they are more than sixty years old, they need some attention. This is my 5x7, I have put in some new light sealing foam in the front and rear standards, and also new foam in this new to me Sinar Norma Shutter. I sent the shutter out for cleaning (it was sticky inside) and replaced the sync cord, although for whatever reason, it is still not firing with strobes. I will get it sorted eventually, for now I will use my other Norma Shutter with my strobes in the studio, it fires 100%. The lens is a Sinar Norma 121mm F8 Super Angulon, forward mounted with copal shutter built-in, and full Norma Auto Aperture automation. This is the most deluxe way you could get this lens from Sinar at the time. Looking forward to shooting more HR-U XRay film with this new to me camera. Should make fantastic split-grade VC RC prints.

[Jim Noel]

For years a 120 Angulon (NOT SUPER ANGULON) has been my go to WA for 5x7 in the field. Small, lightweight and adequate coverage.

[penguinoid]

I'm using a Fujinon NSW 105mm f/8 lens discussed here https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?10693-Fuji-SW-105-F8, which does seem to have excellent coverage on 5x7. I've only used it with b&w so far, so I don't know how good the colour rendition is. I'd be surprised if it wasn't good, however.

I also have a Fujinon W 150mm f/5.6 (currently away for repairs) that offers ok coverage on 5x7 — but not the newer Fujinon NW 150mm f/5.6, which doesn't offer adaquate coverage for 5x7.... The difference is that the new lenses have the writing on the outside of the barrel, while the older lenses have the writing on the front of the lens. The older lenses aren't multicoated, which may be a problem when using colour film.

This is a valuable resource too: https://www.largeformatphotography.info/lenses/LF5x7in.html

[John Layton]

While my 90mm f/6.8 Grandagon does cover this format, and my 150mm G-Claron is, indeed, a great little lens...it is the 120mm Super Angulon which has long provided me with a good "sweet spot" for wide angle use on 5x7. Yup...a big lens - but very versatile in that its great coverage equates to lots of movement potential...plus what might otherwise be a distracting amount of light fall-off.

For something even wider...I do believe that the 72mm XL covers 5x7, although I, for one, would often find this to be simply too wide for my typical uses.

[Hany Aziz]

The Schneider 110mm f/5.6 Super-Symmar XL is an excellent lens for going wide, but not ultra wide, on 5x7. Not inexpensive, but it is superb.

[djdister]

A 90mm Super Angulon is my normal wide angle for 5x7, but I have used a 75mm Nikkor-SW occasionally with the knowledge I'll have fall-off to compensate for later.

[Carsten Wolff]

Vintage small options include....: 108mm W.A.Dagor (so-so on color) 104mm WA Raptar, 100mm WF Ektar, 108mm Cooke VIIb (usu. needs to be front mounted into shutter).
I've tried all of these, but am now using more modern 75, 90mm and 135mm lenses instead, largely due to shutter reasons, not glass performance and when I don't really need the small/light advantage.