5x12 Lens kit

[esearing]

Planning my lenses for my new 5x12 coming this fall. Do people tend to use the standard lens for Pano formats or are Wide angles more commonly used?

I have a 210 and 300/500 so far. On 4x5 I use my 65mm,90mm, and 135mm lenses the most.

Trying to decide if I want a 165 SA. I read that these can be reversed in shutter for Macro work so that is kind of interesting too.

[Oslolens]

An 150mm XL is so much smaller, but you might have a bit less dark corners with a 165 f8.

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[Corran]

So what's the official image circle requirement for 5x12? From my quick calculations it seems like 325mm?

The Nikkor 120mm f/8 covers 8x10 just barely (312mm). I would be tempted first to see if it works on that format (you can try mine). That would be like a 50mm lens on 4x5, cropped to the same aspect ratio. A 150/165 would be closer to your 65mm cropped. The Nikkor 150mm f/8 is also available. That and the 150XL will be big/expensive.

What 210mm do you have?

[Dan Fromm]

I'm in a checking frame of mind this morning.

Bryan, I calculate it as 330 mm, close enough to your 325 mm. I used nominal, not actual, size. Actual should be a little smaller.

OP, my Schneider documentation says that the 165/8 SA is in a #1. The #1 shutter is asymmetric, front tube is threaded M40x0.75, rear tube is M36x0.75. Sorry, swapping cells front to rear is impossible.

[Oslolens]

I'm in a checking frame of mind this morning.

Bryan, I calculate it as 330 mm, close enough to your 325 mm. I used nominal, not actual, size. Actual should be a little smaller.

OP, my Schneider documentation says that the 165/8 SA is in a #1. The #1 shutter is asymmetric, front tube is threaded M40x0.75, rear tube is M36x0.75. Sorry, swapping cells front to rear is impossible.I did find 150mm Nikkor SW In Copal #1, while the 165mm in a Copal #3 ....

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[Corran]

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[Oren Grad]

OP, my Schneider documentation says that the 165/8 SA is in a #1.

Dan, my '90s-vintage Schneider catalog says #3 - and the 165 SA that I own is in a Copal 3. The 155 Grandagon comes in a #1, though.

[Ray Van Nes]

What I have is a Wollensak 8 1/4" (210mm_ Graphic Raptar which has 385mm, the Nikkor 300M and a Red Dot Artar 19". I also have a 61/4" Hugo Meyer Wide Angle which seems to almost cover but I have not used it much as the shutter is wonky. It is pneumatic and inconsistent even after cleaning.

[Luis-F-S]

Trying to decide if I want a 165 SA. I read that these can be reversed in shutter for Macro work so that is kind of interesting too.
The 165 SA is Huge. I use a 6 1/2 WA Dagor. Covers with movements.

[Dan Fromm]

Oren, thanks for checking. I just looked at the 1970 catalog again, I misread it. #3 it is. Symmetric.

[LabRat]

I wouldn't be buying any lenses for this format until camera is in your hands... It is a long format that only one lens FL will normally be used with... With long formats, there is a height to width ratio to work with where there is a reasonable usuable vertical height that is a little limited, so you take what you can work with...

BTW FWIW, I shoot a 5X12 Al-Vista panoramic camera that gives sufficient height, but stretches width, but can't imagine any other FL on it...

Get camera and one lens on it first and test...

Steve K

[Vaughn]

I tend to make my 'panos' with a normal focal length, with occasional wide and long. I do not think panos need to be made with wide lenses...YMMD.

I have been using a 360mm for 5x14, which is on the wide side, but it is my longest lens in a shutter right now.

I also make 4x10 images and use 210mm to 600mm for those...but a lot of 300mm and 250mm.

5x14 - Zion w/ 360mm. -- pt/pd print
4x10 - Mill Cr w/250mm. -- carbon print
4x10 - Alabama Hills w/ 600mm -- pt/pd print

[Jim Noel]

ALthough I have a fair number of lenses which will cover 5x12, the two which I'm most likely to carry with it are a 6 1/2" Velostigmat, and a 240 G-Claron.

[Dan Fromm]

Jim, is that Velostigmat a tessar type? I ask because on 5x12 a 6 1/2" lens is roughly half normal focal length, will have to cover 90 degrees. That boggles my little mind.

Were you thinking of the 159 mm EWA?

[esearing]

An 150mm XL is so much smaller, but you might have a bit less dark corners with a 165 f8.

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And magically a 150mm XL appears in the for sale area.

[esearing]

I tend to make my 'panos' with a normal focal length, with occasional wide and long. I do not think panos need to be made with wide lenses...YMMD.

I have been using a 360mm for 5x14, which is on the wide side, but it is my longest lens in a shutter right now.

I also make 4x10 images and use 210mm to 600mm for those...but a lot of 300mm and 250mm.


Thanks Vaughn, that is the kind of info I was after.

[Jim Noel]

Jim, is that Velostigmat a tessar type? I ask because on 5x12 a 6 1/2" lens is roughly half normal focal length, will have to cover 90 degrees. That boggles my little mind.

Were you thinking of the 159 mm EWA?

No, i wasn't thinking of the 159 EWA. I have one of those, but don't like the shutter.