Lens image circle to cover 4x10

[Vui Shin Chong]

Could anyone enlighten me whether Rodenstock Apo-Sironar N 210mm F5.6 (image circle of 305mm) will cover 4x10?

Thank you in advance.

Regards

Chong

[N Dhananjay]

Confortably. The 4x10 format has a diagonal of a little less than 275 mm. Cheers, DJ

[Scott Schroeder]

the actual exposed area (of a 8X10 half slide 4X10) is 265mm

[evan clarke]

Hi Chong,
There is a two part article by Kerry Thalman in the last two issues of View Camera about 4x10 format and lenses..Evan Clarke

[Vui Shin Chong]

Hi,
Thank you all for clearing this up for me. I have difficulty in getting hold of VC here in UK. But a friend do subscribe to VC. Will get in touch with him.

Thanks

Chong

[William Blunt]

According to the article that Kerry wrote the lens you have will cover and can be used with the 4x10 format.

[Richard Kelham]

View Camera magazine is available in the UK from Robert White. Get in touch with Ken Abrahams ken@robertwhite.co.uk



Richard

[Kerry L. Thalmann]

The actual image diagonal will vary slightly depending on which holders you are using, but it should be about 265mm plus/minus a millimter or two. All 210 5.6 plasmats dating back to the convertible Symmar cover with varying degrees of movements. I like the 210mm focal length on 4x10. And while it is technically shorter than the film diagonal, I consider it my "normal" lens for 4x10.

Kerry

[Vui Shin Chong]

Hi Kerry,

I have cut out one of the damaged 8x10 dark slide as described in one of your article. I have used it with my 8x10 with great success. So far I have only been using it with 250mm f6.7 Fujinon and was wondering whether the 210mm will be ok. I know that you will need to centre the lens i.e. shift up to take the top portion and vice versa.

Regards

Chong

[Michael Gudzinowicz]

I don't subscribe to VC and haven't seen the article, so at the risk of
being redundant I've included a list of lenses for 4x10 through 210 mm.
There are a few lenses (for 8x10) which will provide enough rise (2+ in)
for architectural or similar applications using the vertical back
orientation, some with moderate coverage, and many 4x5 & 5x7 lenses that
have minimal coverage that may require back movements to supplement
limited coverage.

FL f/# Manufacturer & Model E/G IC(mm) DEG 4X10 (in)
(vert; horiz)
84 22 Wisner Hypergon 2/2 462 140 4.0; 5.8
110 5.6 Schneider Super Symmar XL 8/6 287 105 0.5; 1.0
115 6.8 Calumet Caltar II 6/4 289 103 0.5; 1.1
115 6.8 Rodenstock Grandagon N 6/4 289 103 0.5; 1.1
115 6.8 Sinar Sinaron W 6/4 289 103 0.5; 1.1
120 8 Nikkor SW 8/4 313 105 1.0; 1.9
120 8 Fujinon SW 6/6 291 101 0.5; 1.1
120 8 Schneider Super Angulon 6/4 286 100 0.4; 0.9
121 8 Schneider Super Angulon 6/4 288 100 0.5; 1.0
125 8 Fujinon NSWS 6/6 288 98 0.5; 1.0
125 8 Fujinon SW 6/6 278 96 0.3; 0.6
150 8 Nikkor SW 8/4 398 106 2.7; 4.3
150 5.6 Schneider Super Symmar XL 8/6 384 104 2.4; 3.9
150 6.8 Kyvyx APO-Kyvytar n.a. 275 85 0.2; 0.5
152 6.8 Goerz Dagor 6/2 289 87 0.5; 1.1
155 6.8 Rodenstock Grandagon N 6/4 383 102 2.4; 3.9
155 6.8 Sinar Sinaron W 6/4 383 102 2.4; 3.9
159 12.5 Wollensak Extreme WA Ser 3a n.a. 379 100 2.3; 3.8
165 8 Goerz Super-Dagor WA 6/2 393 100 2.6; 4.1
165 8 Schneider Super Angulon 6/4 393 100 2.6; 4.1
165 6.8 Goerz Dagor 6/2 313 87 1.0; 1.9
165 6.8 Schneider Angulon 6/2 297 84 0.7; 1.4
165 8 Goerz Wide Angle Dagor 6/2 287 82 0.5; 1.0
178 6.8 Goerz Dagor 6/2 338 87 1.5; 2.7
180 5.6 Fujinon W 6/6 307 81 0.9; 1.7
180 6.8 Schneider Symmar 6/2 302 80 0.8; 1.5
180 5.6 Fujinon NWS 6/6 281 76 0.3; 0.7
180 5.6 Fujinon W 6/6 281 76 0.3; 0.7
180 5.6 Rodenstock APO Sironar S 6/4 276 75 0.2; 0.5
184 18 B&L Extreme WA Protar V n.a. 368 90 2.1; 3.5
190 6.3 Kodak Wide Field Ektar 4/4 348 85 1.7; 2.9
190 6.3 Ilex Acuton 6/4 266 70 0.0; 0.0
200 6.8 Rodenstock Grandagon N 8/4 494 102 4.7; 6.5
210 8 Schneider Super Angulon 6/4 501 100 4.8; 6.7
210 6.8 Goerz Dagor 6/2 399 87 2.8; 4.3
210 6.8 Kyvyx APO-Kyvytar n.a. 385 85 2.5; 3.9
210 6.8 Schneider Angulon 6/2 385 85 2.5; 3.9
210 5.6 Schneider Super Symmar HM 8/6 359 81 1.9; 3.2
210 5.6 Fujinon W 6/5 352 80 1.8; 3.0
210 5.6 Rodenstock APO Sironar W 7/5 352 80 1.8; 3.0
210 6.8 Schneider Symmar 6/2 352 80 1.8; 3.0
210 5.6 Sinar Sinaron WS n.a. 352 80 1.8; 3.0
210 9 Computar F9 6/4 322 75 1.2; 2.2
210 5.6 Rodenstock APO Sironar S 6/4 316 74 1.1; 2.0
210 6.3 Chugai Symmetrigon n.a. 311 73 1.0; 1.8
210 6.3 Computar Symmetrigon 4/4 311 73 1.0; 1.8
210 5.6 Fujinon CM-W 6/5 311 73 1.0; 1.8
210 5.6 Sinar Sinaron S n.a. 311 73 1.0; 1.8
210 5.6 Schneider APO Symmar 6/4 305 72 0.8; 1.6
210 5.6 Calumet Caltar II 6/4 300 71 0.7; 1.5
210 5.6 Fujinon NWS 6/6 300 71 0.7; 1.5
210 5.6 Fujinon W 6/5 300 71 0.7; 1.5
210 5.6 Calumet Caltar HR 6/4 294 70 0.6; 1.2
210 5.6 Calumet Caltar SII n.a. 294 70 0.6; 1.2
210 6.8 Goerz Gold Dot Dagor 6/2 294 70 0.6; 1.2
210 6.8 Jenoptik Jena T 4/3 294 70 0.6; 1.2
210 5.6 Nikkor W 6/4 294 70 0.6; 1.2
210 5.6 Schneider Symmar 6/4 294 70 0.6; 1.2
210 5.6 Schneider Symmar S 6/4 294 70 0.6; 1.2
210 5.6 Rodenstock APO Sironar N 6/4 289 69 0.5; 1.1
210 5.6 Rodenstock Sironar N 6/4 289 69 0.5; 1.1
210 5.6 Congo Alto-W 6/4 283 68 0.4; 0.8
210 8 Docter Apo-Germinar W 8/8 283 68 0.4; 0.8
210 9 Schneider Graphic Claron 6/2 283 68 0.4; 0.8
210 6.3 Kodak Commercial Ektar n.a. 268 65 0.1; 0.1

[Stephen Willard]

I have been shooting 4x10 for many years now, and I have been using lenes that were not suppose to cover a 4x10. Yet they do it well with no noticeable fall of at the edges. For example, the Nikkor 500mm and 720mm telephoto lenses will cover a 4x10 even thought they are not suppose to.

Consider this photo which was shot with the Nikkor 720mm:



http://www.stephenwillard.com/gallery/image1/IP-AP-01.jpg



or this COLOR photo which was shot in August 2004 with the Nikkor 500mm:



http://www.stephenwillard.com/gallery/image1/NS-MB-10A.jpg



The Nikkor 360mm lens will not cover the 4x10 even though it has the specifications as the 500mm and the 720mm. Go figure!

[j.e.simmons]

Chong,
I have a plain Sironar 210mm f/5.6 (not APO). It covers 4x10 very well with all the movement's I've needed for landscape photography.

juan