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Alan Klein
31-Dec-2019, 22:52
I'm thinking about moving up from medium format to LF. The Chamonix seems like a nice camera but which model. Price difference between the two won't affect my decision.
45F2 http://www.chamonixviewcamera.com/cameras/45f2 or
45H-1 http://www.chamonixviewcamera.com/cameras/45h1 or
other?

I shoot landscapes and some portraits. See my flickr page for an idea of the kind of shots I do.

Some issues. I don't intend to hike very far from the car where I'll keep it in the trunk. So can I get away with the fixed 45H-1 instead of the field camera 45F-2?

I use wide angle lenses. What are the limitation between the two cameras that I should consider realtive to setting adjustments tilts, etc?

What about longer lenses?

I have to admit I've never used LF so not happy about upside down views. Chamonix has a reflex viewfinder with a built-in 3x loupe or I can use the normal "upside-down" viewfinder with a separate loupe. Any recommendations or ideas?

Thanks. Alan.

angusparker
1-Jan-2020, 03:07
Iím very partial to folding cameras so Iím not a fan of the H versions. Other people like them for the faster setup. So for me it would be a choice between N and F versions. Iíve owned both and havenít really used the extra functionality of the F much at all. So it would be a question of price and weight to decide the two -probably with a slight nod to the N.

lassethomas
1-Jan-2020, 04:12
I'm very happy with my 45H-1. Shoot landscapes mainly.
Keep it in my 26 liter ThinkTank Backlight backpack together with 4 lenses and holders for shorter day hikes. Manageable up to 10 km I think.

And I love the fixed front standard. A real benefit not to have to set up and unfold for every new place and scene.
Using my 47mm Schneider with a 10mm recessed board without problems and even some space for movements. Don't know how the F2 would fare though.
The longest I've got is a Fujinon T 400mm f8 which need about 250mm for infinity.

And don't worry about the upside down views. The brain will accommodate for this quicker than you think. With wide angles a reflex viewer is pretty useless anyway. The corners are too dark.
A good loupe on the ground glass and some practice will solve it.

/Lasse

Tin Can
1-Jan-2020, 04:59
All I know is when and I will buy another Chamonix it will be an H

Already I use and carry 2 cameras open like the H

I like the lens mounted with hood and release cable and a QR base instantly ready to use

Or an old folding box camera that has it all ready too

Kevin Crisp
1-Jan-2020, 06:43
I haven't really thought about the image being upside down for oh, about 20 years. It becomes a non-issue pretty quickly. I just bought an N model, which arrives next week. I didn't consider a non-folder, but then for speedy use I always have my Crown Graphic. If you don't need a camera to fold up and hike around with, maybe the H for you.

Alan Klein
1-Jan-2020, 08:16
Does anyone know the widest and longest lenses (35mm equivalent) for both the H1 and F2?

Alan9940
1-Jan-2020, 09:01
Does anyone know the widest and longest lenses (35mm equivalent) for both the H1 and F2?

I just recently contacted Hugo about using my Fuji 450C on the F2 and he assured me that with their extension board, it wouldn't be a problem. No idea what this is in 35mm terms (maybe, like 1,350mm!), but that's a l-o-n-g lens for 4x5. He, also, warned me that any wind could be an issue with the camera extended like that.

Keith Pitman
1-Jan-2020, 13:47
I just recently contacted Hugo about using my Fuji 450C on the F2 and he assured me that with their extension board, it wouldn't be a problem. No idea what this is in 35mm terms (maybe, like 1,350mm!), but that's a l-o-n-g lens for 4x5. He, also, warned me that any wind could be an issue with the camera extended like that.

More like 150mm, Alan9940.

Alan9940
1-Jan-2020, 14:35
More like 150mm, Alan9940.

Oops...thanks for pointing that out...did the math the wrong way! ;)

lassethomas
1-Jan-2020, 15:37
Does anyone know the widest and longest lenses (35mm equivalent) for both the H1 and F2?

Well, it all depends, sort of.
The widest lens for 4x5 that I know of is the Schneider Super-Angulon XL 47mm. If you go by diagonal (0.27 crop factor) that would mean around 13mm (35mm equivalent).

I own it and it is a fantastic lens, and equally fantastically hard to shoot with. But fun. Nothing you use everyday though.

What you need to check for is the film to flange distance for the lens. It's the actual distance from the front of the lens board to the film at infinity.
Schneider Super-Angulon XL 47mm has a film to flange of 59 mm.
The F2 states minimum bellow at 52 mm and the H1 at 60 mm.
The F2 should work with the 47mm out of the box but I would use a recessed board to get some extra movement too. And with the H1 a 10mm recessed board might be necessary.

As for tele the F2 has 395mm bellow extension and H1 350mm.
And that is for infinity focus. A lens would need rather more if you like to get close.
But you could use an extruded lens board to gain some extension, and even more there are extenders for the camera.
And then tele lenses are not made equal. Some are long lens designs with a film to flange distances about their focal length, and some are tele lens designs with a film to flange distances markedly shorter than their focal length.
So you can see that it depends.

Anyway, a 400mm lens for 4x5 would equal about 110 in 35mm

/Lasse

Two23
1-Jan-2020, 17:42
I've been using the 45N-1 for about a dozen years now. I've not felt the need to upgrade as it does everything I need. Since I do hike in to places I personally want a folding camera. I suspect it would be easier to resell a folding camera but I'm just guessing. Either camera will do what you want. The longest lens I use is a 300mm. I've sometimes thought of getting a longer one but those are expensive, and they are heavy. They would bounce around hanging way out on an extension. I really don't find a need for anything longer than 300mm anyway. (My 300mm is the popular Nikon 300M f9.) The widest lens I use is a 75mm f4.5 Nikon. I use it mostly for photo'ing the interiors of abandoned houses. I recently got a Chamonix universal bellows which handles the 75mm very well. I've been very happy with the Chamonix and have kept it. It's my do-all general purpose camera. I shoot film, dry plates, and a lot of wet plates (tin) with it. The Technika boards are a nice size and I've mounted lenses made 1845 to 2002 on them. It's a very versatile system.


Kent in SD

Robert Oliver
1-Jan-2020, 19:35
I've been happily using my Chamonix n-1 since it was first released... love my camera! I think it's the perfect blend of stability, usability and portability!

The service from Chamonix and Hugo has been exemplary the few times I've needed it.

I can't recommend it enough!

Alan Klein
1-Jan-2020, 20:33
All I know is when and I will buy another Chamonix it will be an H

Already I use and carry 2 cameras open like the H

I like the lens mounted with hood and release cable and a QR base instantly ready to use

Or an old folding box camera that has it all ready too


Hugo suggested the H-1 to me over the F2 as I don't intend to hike with it much further than the trunk of my car. How do you store, travel with, and use it since it's not foldable?

Hugo Zhang
1-Jan-2020, 20:59
Hugo suggested the H-1 to me over the F2 as I don't intend to hike with it much further than the trunk of my car. How do you store, travel with, and use it since it's not foldable?

It comes with a black carry bag and you can leave your lens on the camera. But you can't use your 450mm lens with H1 camera as it can't take an extension board.

Keith Pitman
1-Jan-2020, 21:51
It comes with a black carry bag and you can leave your lens on the camera. But you can't use your 450mm lens with H1 camera as it can't take an extension board.

A 450 will work with a top hat lensboard.

pepeguitarra
1-Jan-2020, 21:56
I bought the F2 with the extension board, which I almost don't use. I can use the 360mm without the extension board. Only with the 450mm I need the extension. The original length of the F2 is 395mm. Excellent finished and useful camera. It has the (I forgot the name of that thing) ability to swing the back and focus in one movement.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48734457121_627866a535_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hfuQdH)Chamonix1-9 (https://flic.kr/p/2hfuQdH) by Palenquero Photography (https://www.flickr.com/photos/palenquero/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/7867/39765574343_877c720075_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23zWXQK)Arroyo Trabuco or Trabuco Creek (https://flic.kr/p/23zWXQK) by Palenquero Photography (https://www.flickr.com/photos/palenquero/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49039300321_0c902d4e4d_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hHretX)Dana Point Harbor (https://flic.kr/p/2hHretX) by Palenquero Photography (https://www.flickr.com/photos/palenquero/), on Flickr

Alan Klein
2-Jan-2020, 07:34
rear asymmetric tilts. Both the 45H1 and 45F2 have them.
Ő probably going to go with the H1 . Hugo suggests I start with a150mm lens. I shoot landscapes in Velvia and Tmax currently with medium format. So i'l probably continue with those films 4x5. Which lens manufacturer would you recommend and where to buy?

Two23
2-Jan-2020, 08:52
I have lenses from fuji, nikon, rodenstock, Schneider. All are very good. If shooting color I suggest only buying multicoated lenses.



Kent in SD

Tin Can
2-Jan-2020, 09:01
I have had good luck, best quality from Japanese ebay sellers with NIKON lenses

Read reviews and condition, i prefer established sellers

sperdynamite
2-Jan-2020, 09:04
I had an N2 and should never have sold it. Fabulous camera and I will probably seek out a replacement as soon as I can.

If you're really only going to use wide lenses than the H is for you. However, if you want to use normals, the N's can do most of what the H's do, just with a tiny bit more set up.

Alan Klein
2-Jan-2020, 09:49
Well, it all depends, sort of.
The widest lens for 4x5 that I know of is the Schneider Super-Angulon XL 47mm. If you go by diagonal (0.27 crop factor) that would mean around 13mm (35mm equivalent).

I own it and it is a fantastic lens, and equally fantastically hard to shoot with. But fun. Nothing you use everyday though.

What you need to check for is the film to flange distance for the lens. It's the actual distance from the front of the lens board to the film at infinity.
Schneider Super-Angulon XL 47mm has a film to flange of 59 mm.
The F2 states minimum bellow at 52 mm and the H1 at 60 mm.
The F2 should work with the 47mm out of the box but I would use a recessed board to get some extra movement too. And with the H1 a 10mm recessed board might be necessary.

As for tele the F2 has 395mm bellow extension and H1 350mm.
And that is for infinity focus. A lens would need rather more if you like to get close.
But you could use an extruded lens board to gain some extension, and even more there are extenders for the camera.
And then tele lenses are not made equal. Some are long lens designs with a film to flange distances about their focal length, and some are tele lens designs with a film to flange distances markedly shorter than their focal length.
So you can see that it depends.

Anyway, a 400mm lens for 4x5 would equal about 110 in 35mm

/Lasse

Currently, Iím shooting medium format (Mamiya RB67) with 35mm equivalents in 24mm, 44mm, 85mm and 172mm (Actual lenses are 50mm, 90mm, 180mm, and 360mm). That's about 90mm for 4x5 to get the 24mm equivalent. I also would want to get a 150mm for normal shooting. Which lenses would you recommend for sharp focus for the 45H1 model?

Alan Klein
2-Jan-2020, 09:55
I have lenses from fuji, nikon, rodenstock, Schneider. All are very good. If shooting color I suggest only buying multicoated lenses.



Kent in SD

Kent, What order would you grade these manufacturers?

Alan Klein
2-Jan-2020, 09:56
I'm thinking of getting the 45H1 and keeping it all together in a foam padded Pelican case in my car's trunk. Then pull it out, stick it on the tripod and go shoot nearby. That's why I'm favoring the H1 rather than the F2. Anyone with comments on my thinking?

Tin Can
2-Jan-2020, 11:03
I'm a fan of camouflage, not camo clothing, that says 'gun' thieves love them too...

Pelican, Halliburton, etc scream steal me. I have both for storage.

I use coolers, paper bags and my new favorite a very colorful folding, reusable, shopping bag. They are very heavy duty. Wet grass is OK. I have 3 and do use them shopping all the time. Less bags....

Here is my 5X7 Deardorff with 210mm lens and plastic lens shade with a soft case holding five 5X7 film holders

Put the dark cloth over it all, and they may think I am on a picnic with a weird chair, aka tripod.

It is ready to go!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49317209281_677b4046ea_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2i8ZA8K)5X7 Deardorff 5 holders (https://flic.kr/p/2i8ZA8K) by TIN CAN COLLEGE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tincancollege/), on Flickr

Two23
2-Jan-2020, 13:04
Kent, What order would you grade these manufacturers?

I see them as interchangeable as long as I'm comparing multicoated to multicoated and APO to APO etc. I also look at image circle.

Kent in SD

LabRat
2-Jan-2020, 13:19
Kent, What order would you grade these manufacturers?

All of these are good, but some individual examples can vary...

Test whatever you end up with...

Steve K

Alan Klein
2-Jan-2020, 19:59
Chamonix has film holders. $80 each, wood and carbon fiber. How many should I start with? Are these loaded with two films one on each side? Can you mark them when unshot and used?
http://www.chamonixviewcamera.com/accessories/filmholders

brad martin
2-Jan-2020, 20:08
I read through your question several times and I don't get it.

You're asking people to experience a camera For You which is absolutely impossible.

If you really had one specific question that would be one thing but you've thrown in a multitude of variables.

The thing to do, in my opinion, since you've narrowed it down to Chamonix is flip a coin and buy one.

After you have experienced one view camera, examined it's specs and compared it to others you might have a better idea of what you want.

If your not going far from the car who cares about weight?

You don't like upside down and backwards? Seriously?

Buy a camera.

Get on with it.

LabRat
2-Jan-2020, 20:11
Chamonix has film holders. $80 each, wood and carbon fiber. How many should I start with? Are these loaded with two films one on each side? Can you mark them when unshot and used?
http://www.chamonixviewcamera.com/accessories/filmholders

There are so many Fidelity/Riteway/Lisco/Toyo etc holders floating around for $5-$15 each, I would just start with those...

For larger or odd formats, paying the custom price is justified when you will shoot them a lot...

6 holders/12 sheets are a reasonable amount for a day out...

Steve K

Two23
2-Jan-2020, 20:28
Chamonix has film holders. $80 each, wood and carbon fiber. How many should I start with? Are these loaded with two films one on each side? Can you mark them when unshot and used?
http://www.chamonixviewcamera.com/accessories/filmholders


That's a LOT of money for film holders. I just buy used ones on ebay for less than $10 each. Look for the all plastic ones such as Fidelity Elite or Lisco Regal. Yes, two shots per holder. No need to mark them. The dark slides have a strip along the top that is white on one side and black on the opposite. Load the holders with the white strip facing outward. Take the shot, flip the dark slide around with the dark strip now facing outward. Easy peasy.

Here's a short video about film holders. You load them in the dark of course. He forgot to mention the final step. There are two little metal "L" hooks on the top of the holder where the dark slides go in. These are the "keepers." After loading the film and shutting the dark slides, you push the little "L" over the top of the dark slide so the slide can't slip out. Yes, I've had that happen when I didn't engage the keepers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdWK8varqDo



Kent in SD

Alan Klein
2-Jan-2020, 20:47
I read through your question several times and I don't get it.

You're asking people to experience a camera For You which is absolutely impossible.

If you really had one specific question that would be one thing but you've thrown in a multitude of variables.

The thing to do, in my opinion, since you've narrowed it down to Chamonix is flip a coin and buy one.

After you have experienced one view camera, examined it's specs and compared it to others you might have a better idea of what you want.

If your not going far from the car who cares about weight?

You don't like upside down and backwards? Seriously?

Buy a camera.

Get on with it.

Brad, Sorry I'm frustrating you. I'm brand new to LF, never used the equipment. So I have a lot of questions before committing to thousand of dollars. Thanks for your comment about weight and the car. I already considered that and made the decision to go with the 45H-1. Now that Steve and Kent answered my question on film holders, I know where I'm going. Everyone's help is appreciated. Thanks.

Kiwi7475
2-Jan-2020, 21:30
Brad, Sorry I'm frustrating you. I'm brand new to LF, never used the equipment. So I have a lot of questions before committing to thousand of dollars. Thanks for your comment about weight and the car. I already considered that and made the decision to go with the 45H-1. Now that Steve and Kent answered my question on film holders, I know where I'm going. Everyone's help is appreciated. Thanks.

I second your decision, Iím a happy owner of a F2 and I havenít used any of the extra capabilities that it offers beyond the H1. And when hiking I always wish I had the other one for a quicker set up.... good luck!

darr
2-Jan-2020, 21:35
Hi Alan,

I have had way too many 4x5 cameras to list them all, and I liked all of them except for a 5x7" Wisner Tech (would come off the rails).

My favorite was an Ebony SW - non folder; very similar to that pretty 45H-1.
I favor the non-folders. The 45H-1 would be my choice if I was choosing.

I have always used a right angle viewfinder (RAV) if available. It started in photography school with an in-line viewer (not upright) for my Calumet 4x5.
Ebony Camera customized a Cambo RAV years ago for me because I wanted it that bad.

Viewfinders come in handy out in the weather at times, but I really do not enjoy being under a dark cloth.
My Sinar Norma just got a RAV from KEH.com for $63 US delivered a week ago.

I have been using view cameras (monorail and field) for over 30 years and only purchased new film holders once.
I usually buy mine used from KEH for $10-$15 each with never a problem.

Buying used is how I am able to afford all the gear I have.
I can recommend the following sites to check for used photography goods:


Camera West: https://camerawest.com/

Igor Camera: http://www.igorcamera.com/

KEH: https://www.keh.com/

Midwest Photo: https://mpex.com/

National Camera Exchange: https://www.natcam.com/product-category/used/

Badger Graphic Sales: http://www.badgergraphic.com/opencart/index.php?route=common/home



Best of luck to you!!
Darr

brad martin
2-Jan-2020, 21:51
You'll learn way more trying things for yourself than asking open ended questions.

Just my experience.

Two23
2-Jan-2020, 22:06
Here's another good video on loading film holders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CeGAR10K0


Kent in SD

pepeguitarra
3-Jan-2020, 00:56
Although I have the F2 and several other wooden cameras in very nice conditions, I find myself using the Intrepid 4x5 Mk II the most. It is light weight, and does everything I need to. It is not even 2 pounds heavy.

Alan Klein
3-Jan-2020, 10:47
Hi Alan,

I have had way too many 4x5 cameras to list them all, and I liked all of them except for a 5x7" Wisner Tech (would come off the rails).

My favorite was an Ebony SW - non folder; very similar to that pretty 45H-1.
I favor the non-folders. The 45H-1 would be my choice if I was choosing.

I have always used a right angle viewfinder (RAV) if available. It started in photography school with an in-line viewer (not upright) for my Calumet 4x5.
Ebony Camera customized a Cambo RAV years ago for me because I wanted it that bad.

Viewfinders come in handy out in the weather at times, but I really do not enjoy being under a dark cloth.
My Sinar Norma just got a RAV from KEH.com for $63 US delivered a week ago.

I have been using view cameras (monorail and field) for over 30 years and only purchased new film holders once.
I usually buy mine used from KEH for $10-$15 each with never a problem.

Buying used is how I am able to afford all the gear I have.
I can recommend the following sites to check for used photography goods:


Camera West: https://camerawest.com/

Igor Camera: http://www.igorcamera.com/

KEH: https://www.keh.com/

Midwest Photo: https://mpex.com/

National Camera Exchange: https://www.natcam.com/product-category/used/

Badger Graphic Sales: http://www.badgergraphic.com/opencart/index.php?route=common/home



Best of luck to you!!
Darr

Darr, thanks for your advice. Chamonix has various viewfinders for 4x5. What do you think?
http://www.chamonixviewcamera.com/accessories/viewfinders

lassethomas
3-Jan-2020, 11:20
Currently, I’m shooting medium format (Mamiya RB67) with 35mm equivalents in 24mm, 44mm, 85mm and 172mm (Actual lenses are 50mm, 90mm, 180mm, and 360mm). That's about 90mm for 4x5 to get the 24mm equivalent. I also would want to get a 150mm for normal shooting. Which lenses would you recommend for sharp focus for the 45H1 model?

Well, I wouldn't worry too much about the lenses. As long as you get a decent copy from the big four made within the last 40 years or so you will be fine.
Sharpness in large format is not about the lens really, it's about you and your ability to asses the scene, make the right movements, get the right depth of field. And actually execute your intentions.

I don't think I actually nailed the focus in my first thirty sheets or so.

Eventually you will get to see differences between lenses but this will not be your first problem.
And then if you're planning to scan, the scanner is going to be your biggest limitation anyway.

So get a few lenses, don't pay too much, and start to get a feeling for the craft.

/Lasse

darr
3-Jan-2020, 13:11
Darr, thanks for your advice. Chamonix has various viewfinders for 4x5. What do you think?
http://www.chamonixviewcamera.com/accessories/viewfinders


Alan,

Their 4x5 Reflex Viewer is a Cambo knock-off; the model I had Ebony convert for my use with their cameras.
The only problem I had with the Cambo type viewfinder was the need to use a step-stool sometimes, but I begin at 5'2" so you might not have that problem. :)

Darr

Two23
3-Jan-2020, 13:21
Darr, thanks for your advice. Chamonix has various viewfinders for 4x5. What do you think?
http://www.chamonixviewcamera.com/accessories/viewfinders


You really need to use a magnifier/loupe to focus sharply. The problem with all the "viewers" I've seen is they make it more difficult to stick my hand in there and hold a loupe. This is especially true for 4x5, which is really a pretty small format. I don't use any viewer at all and prefer to simply throw either a jacket or an x-large black t-shirt over the back of the camera and my head so I have easy access to the ground glass. I've never felt the need for a viewer. I've been using 4x5 and 5x7 for 25 years now. Save your money for something more important--there's plenty of more useful stuff to spend on.:D

Kent in SD

darr
3-Jan-2020, 13:27
I have never had to use a loupe with a viewer. The viewer has a loupe built in.
Now, maybe my eyes are better than someone else's, but I do wear glasses and my eyes are 61 years old.
I have used loupes when a viewfinder was not available, but prefer the convenience of a right angle viewer (RAV) when available .

Currently I use RAVs with my Linhof MT, Sinar, and a Hasselblad RAV with my ALPA medium format digital & film cameras.
They feel natural to me whereas a darkcloth does not. If it makes me work faster, I generally use it.

Tin Can
3-Jan-2020, 13:50
Obviously opinions and eyes vary. Perfect eyes are great for photography!

Mine are far from perfect and have changed drastically over the last 5 years, now age 69

You will need to find what is good for you. Right now an Edmunds 9X loupe with darkcloth works for me.

I cannot use a folding viewer, it gets in the way.

I can't use a Sinar Bino RAV as it has the wrong magnification

I can't use the folding viewer on a SLR Graflex as the distance is off and a loupe can't get in there Yet!

Factory Fresnels are no good also, for me

I have struggled with 'seeing' focus ever since I had cataract surgery and replacement lenses put in my eyes, 2 years ago.

My right eye has severe glaucoma, but it's tunnel vision works best with the above loupe, my shooting eye.

after taking OFF my glasses

I now have a shoestring necklace for the the loupe and straps for glasses

I was born very nearsighted

You may be in for some experimentation, empirical method

Good luck!

darr
3-Jan-2020, 14:24
Obviously opinions and eyes vary. Perfect eyes are great for photography!

Mine are far from perfect and have changed drastically over the last 5 years, now age 69

You will need to find what is good for you. Right now an Edmunds 9X loupe with darkcloth works for me.

I cannot use a folding viewer, it gets in the way.

I can't use a Sinar Bino RAV as it has the wrong magnification

I can't use the folding viewer on a SLR Graflex as the distance is off and a loupe can't get in there Yet!

Factory Fresnels are no good also, for me

I have struggled with 'seeing' focus ever since I had cataract surgery and replacement lenses put in my eyes, 2 years ago.

My right eye has severe glaucoma, but it's tunnel vision works best with the above loupe, my shooting eye.

after taking OFF my glasses

I now have a shoestring necklace for the the loupe and straps for glasses

I was born very nearsighted

You may be in for some experimentation, empirical method

Good luck!

Randy,

I went back to college years ago to study visual impairments. I got the degree but only used the knowledge in my photography classroom.
I understand your vision has changed. You might be able to get your optician to have a magnification adapter made for a viewfinder if you want.
There are many devices that can be adapted to help with vision changes.

I had surgeries for glaucoma a few years ago, and my vision has changed, but I can still focus as usual (thank goodness).

The folder viewers never worked for me either, and a darkcloth is my last resort.

It is as you say: "You will need to find what is good for you."

Kind regards,
Darr

Alan Klein
3-Jan-2020, 19:09
What do you think of this lens? Look at the pictures. especially #4 - here is the sellers comments. What do you think? What does he mean the paint peeled off?

Seller's comments: The fourth image has the paint inside the lens peeled off.
But this is very noticeable because it was shot with a high resolution camera.
It is hard to see with human eyes.
This lens is beautiful.





https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mint-Rodenstock-Apo-Sironar-S-150mm-f-5-6-75-Lens-Copal-0-4x5-Linhof-JAPAN-/184104982121?hash=item2add831669%3Ag%3A5pIAAOSweKNeB3VK&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&checksum=1841049821211e7890f5143341b3906e5b8930230fcd&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qV5qfkgs3KMCHT%2BMqC4QP6jTLIIeJ%2Bof%2ByBz%2BbKs0la0jUtA9UDyZM8raUt%2Fxvi0mccRvl43v2nheVbLsTcN9i3SUshLtXL0jaKm8FSctM9sFzsBlxaMCWFW1WmnW%2Bm0NytIire%2BD92j7jjAjVUGZ2AlZwuk0Y7aXLY%2BWPP7yn8PCNRhaoFj8At3vFl%2BTTC6EL1fiNJekiMqKJ%2BfIOxa5DrwCRV0aNCzWfTrp%2FXZALOK2E3WVKlXdJt62T5HX0w8zj22oKf1Wb7IOh6s76Xt7iKSbZ2qClB%2BCZj7xuMXestpNkT7rADJ3jPWJW4YXu5KhGMvLQ0KGPSI%2FAYAuTPPPcQyRVpZLnfM7CzJSdpA9pdRotWeBfMdCdV7GBtUB1fdjjHNNLLyFNmJpJGGvIxGpWLqktf9Wh4jqENvgw8Kxn3KT%2BloO3%2B0LPzp2%2FYRnfmunY4QxGupWsrULLYU%2FwAaO0HcqULD7vdWBnyyg1o8CX2txr5aiaQy5kIXOHBRHgTy5QwugOFgWOZQIbtGbTY8az1n36WLVFweSkcgp%2FuVX0pkVc38hKRV9mV5fPauSxomSD%2B9H35dr5jOw9rbNYr2zeOmIort%2Bpj6K1vTGBlI4JcbZ49G66ccY4e643f66i4aQ1vFQKD50mDEXktiCbjxPiUBssZzPbrYsw4w3jWT25vYF11zynZnzenoENchcL%2B%2Fyr1fKabjFIuTLAbkAWsL4cWMc2fe4J0%2FQpQgBolErYWKA%3D%3D&nma=true&si=HTPMjHlTwvXcASaIZ8nDMrdV%252BFU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Alan Klein
3-Jan-2020, 19:10
It's the main lens in the middle labelled Serial Number 11226287

darr
3-Jan-2020, 19:21
Looks like Schneideritis on a Rodenstock ...

https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?9976-Schneideritis

I cannot comment if it affects performance or not as I have not had a lens with it.
But read through the above thread to see what other photographers have to say about it.

Kiwi7475
3-Jan-2020, 20:14
This is one of the most expensive 150mm lenses one can buy ó itís been ballooning over the past few years for some reason. Iím not sure Iíd start my adventure into 4x5 spending that much. It is a good lens but thereís many options that would go just fine in the 125-180mm range for like $200-$300 range. Iíd invest in more lenses rather than one really expensive one.
Hereís some suggested reading:

https://www.angusparkerphoto.com/blog/2016/3/good-lenses-for-a-4x5-view-camera

https://www.michaelstricklandimages.com/blog/2017/2/21/purchasing-guide-4x5-large-format

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/lenses4x5.html

Two23
3-Jan-2020, 20:54
I agree it's way too expensive.



Kent in SD

Alan Klein
3-Jan-2020, 20:59
You really need to use a magnifier/loupe to focus sharply. The problem with all the "viewers" I've seen is they make it more difficult to stick my hand in there and hold a loupe. This is especially true for 4x5, which is really a pretty small format. I don't use any viewer at all and prefer to simply throw either a jacket or an x-large black t-shirt over the back of the camera and my head so I have easy access to the ground glass. I've never felt the need for a viewer. I've been using 4x5 and 5x7 for 25 years now. Save your money for something more important--there's plenty of more useful stuff to spend on.:D

Kent in SD
Thanks Darr and Kent. I didn't order the finder. I'll work the traditional way to see if I'm comfortable.

Is a black t shirt the best way :) or can someone recommend a light cover that works and folds away?

What's a good loupe for 4x5? The Chamonix comes with a fresnel lens if that makes a difference. I own a Schneider 3x (6x6) https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/schneider-kreuznach-magnifier-lupe-1758433263 wich is 3 power I believe and a Agfa 8x https://www.amazon.com/AGFA-8X-PRINTERS-LOUPE-MAGNIFIER-8X/dp/B072M39GXZ

Two23
3-Jan-2020, 21:29
I use a black t-shirt in summer because it folds up compactly in my bag. In cooler months I just use a jacket. I don't think a 3x is quite enough and use a 4x. Sometimes I use this, and it works well:
https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Folding-Magnifying-Thread-Counter/dp/B01H2A09BU/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=linen+tester&qid=1578112174&s=industrial&sr=1-4 .



Kent in SD

Alan Klein
11-Jan-2020, 14:04
My Chamonix 45H-1 should arrive today or tomorrow. Is there a recommended plate support for putting on a tripod?

Greg
11-Jan-2020, 14:31
My Chamonix 45H-1 should arrive today or tomorrow. Is there a recommended plate support for putting on a tripod?

Highly recommend the Kessler Kwik Release
https://www.kesslercrane.com/kwik-release
Biggest plus is that it has a fail safe double locking mechanism, plus it easily replaced the OEM plate on my KIRK ball head.
Personally use it with their Utility plate for my Chamonix 11x14. Sure it is an overkill for 4x5, but one has to experience their camera accidentally slipping off a quick release with a single locking mechanism and falling into a stream and the ensuing repair bill. Rollei SL-66 with their OEM single locking mechanism back around 1980... I'm sure Bob doesn't remember me.

Tin Can
11-Jan-2020, 14:44
I second the Kessler Crane QR and use it on any camera/tripod

I use the largest plate, even with my DSLR KWIK STAND XL (https://store.kesslercrane.com/kwik-stand-xl.html) as i like how it stands...

https://www.kesslercrane.com/kwik-release

Alan Klein
13-Jan-2020, 21:00
Does the Kessler take any Arca type plate?

Tin Can
14-Jan-2020, 06:30
There is no standard for Arca-Swiss emulations

The best advice is use any QR with the same manufacture plates for that QR

I have bought cheap eBay camera side plates that don't fit anything I have, making a head prop out of one right now...


https://www.arca-shop.de/en/camera-plates/

https://www.reallyrightstuff.com/intro-to-rrs-qr-system

I recently read a complete explanation with all variations somewhere... can't find it now

That's why I recommend Kessler Crane ONLY, made in USA designed for heavy loads of video cameras with sliders

Not overkill for LF



Does the Kessler take any Arca type plate?

roscoetuff-Skip Mersereau
16-Feb-2020, 10:59
Similar interest in these cameras, but more concerned with wide angle capability. My widest lens is 75mm Rodenstock Grandagon-N. I've used it with recessed boards on an Arca Swiss Model B. Curious about the Chamonix since it'd mean a whole set of new lens boards (yipes!).

younghoon Kil
16-Feb-2020, 11:57
I use Schneider Super-Angulon XL 5.6/58mm lens for 45H-1 and 45N-2.
This lens has been installed on the flat lensboard.

younghoon Kil
16-Feb-2020, 12:12
200714


I installed a long RRS plate. (Multi-Purpose Rail 152mm)
It is also stable when using a tele lens.

CatSplat
17-Feb-2020, 14:22
Similar interest in these cameras, but more concerned with wide angle capability. My widest lens is 75mm Rodenstock Grandagon-N. I've used it with recessed boards on an Arca Swiss Model B. Curious about the Chamonix since it'd mean a whole set of new lens boards (yipes!).

No need for a recessed board on a Chamonix 45 for a 75mm. IIRC, the published minimum bellows draw is 52mm.

giganova
4-May-2020, 15:39
Chamonix is on top of my shortlist, but it seems I would have to wait for a new batch of cameras, no distributor in the US who has any ready to ship, and limited flights from China to the US at the moment, it would take months to get one. I guess I'll have two buy something else. :(

esearing
4-May-2020, 15:58
Chamonix is on top of my shortlist, but it seems I would have to wait for a new batch of cameras, no distributor in the US who has any ready to ship, and limited flights from China to the US at the moment, it would take months to get one. I guess I'll have two buy something else. :(

ebay
- catlabs - if You don't mind spending a bit more for a whole kit - or email them and see if you can get camera alone.
there are a couple of others from Japan , shipping from there is usually fast.

Also post in the WTB section of the forum here.

grat
4-May-2020, 16:25
They have the 45-F2 in stock (in China). Hugo (https://www.chamonixviewcamera.com/) does a pretty good job of getting them drop shipped. I ordered the 45-N1 "Classic" (and apparently got the last one) mid-April, and it showed up in two weeks.

I've been really impressed with the build quality and thought that went into the design of mine.

grat
4-May-2020, 16:29
Also post in the WTB section of the forum here.

For sale forum isn't available to either him or me. I was able to order and receive a camera from China, 2 lenses from Japan, a light meter from New York and some film holders from Las Vegas... and still can't access the for sale forum. :(

giganova
4-May-2020, 19:22
Isn't shipping from China and Japan delayed because there are almost no fights t the US?

Hugo Zhang
4-May-2020, 19:56
There are flights, but slower than usual. No EMS, FedEx takes about two weeks to reach your door. We ship 1-3 times a week now due to reduced flights. Used to be everyday.

grat
4-May-2020, 20:28
Isn't shipping from China and Japan delayed because there are almost no fights t the US?

Japan Post is running about a month behind, and not currently (as of a few days ago) accepting packages to the US.

However, FedEx from Japan is running pretty quick, and packages are taking less than a week to get here. Most eBay sellers are happy to send items FedEx.

As for China, my Chamonix took two or three days to actually board a plane, but as I said, still made it here in two weeks. I was grumbling to a friend of mine who pointed out "You typed some numbers into box in your house which sent money to someone in California who contacted some people in China, who packed up a camera and mailed it halfway around the world, in the middle of a global crisis, and you're complaining that it took two weeks?!?". It's good to have friends who can point out when you're being an idiot. :)

Hugo: Since you're here, a small note... I realize you don't include instructions with the camera, because it's supposed to be that easy to use (and it is), but I had the camera for three days before realizing that those two thumb-wheels are for removing the bellows from the rear standard. :rolleyes:

Hugo Zhang
4-May-2020, 20:55
Grat,

Nice that you have figured it out. :) Did you also happen to find a few masks in your package?

grat
5-May-2020, 04:41
Yes. An unexpected, but welcome addition. Thanks!