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NER
22-Aug-2019, 16:16
Many years ago I learned to cut mats by hand. After advancing to LF photography, I continued using a Logan cutter calibrated to avoid over or under cuts, and a marvelous 24-inch straight edge obtained from Light Impressions long before they descended into mediocrity. These two items are pictured below. Unfortunately, I did not have the foresight back then to buy a longer straight edge … at the time I never imagined I would one day move to LF and corresponding bigger prints. I’m now needing to cut mats larger than 24 inches on the long side, and basically have two options: I can buy a fancy machine such as the Fletcher 2200, or I can continue to cut mats by hand provided I am able to find a longer and reliable straight edge. Because I get off doing things the old-fashioned and familiar way, I prefer to try using the hand held Logan for this task, but I will need a 36-inch straight edge to do that because the 24-inch I have is too short. I post this message to ask for opinions and recommendations on suitable straight edges. (1) Can anyone tell me whether phenolic straight edges are as trustworthy as their makers would have prospective buyers believe - meaning are they sufficiently durable and straight to within measures of .001 to .003 inches over the entire length of the material; and (2) regarding alternative metal edges, namely steel or aluminum with a minimum thickness of 2mm and similar measures of straightness, is there a certain brand ideal for the use I have in mind? I am looking at Fowler in particular (http://www.fowlerprecision.com/Products/Straight-Edges/524800600.html), but I am open to any and all possibilities that will satisfy my need for a non-slip material having a true straight edge. Regarding the non-slip part of this conversation, the great thing about the LI edge is that it has a recessed cork bottom that makes it quite stable when pressed against museum boards. Thanks in advance for all responses.

N. Riley
http://normanrileyphotography.com

Tin Can
22-Aug-2019, 16:32
Go to the home repair store and look at big drywall squares, among other options.

Best to buy upon inspection.

NER
22-Aug-2019, 16:50
Thanks very much. A dry wall square is not flat, though I suppose I could cut one to the desired length to make it so. The thickness would be about right. I have no idea how I would confirm its straightness, but obviously it would be "straight enough" if the resulting mats look good. The option you suggest would certainly be much cheaper than other alternatives I've been considering.

N. Riley
http://normanrileyphotography.com

Bob Salomon
22-Aug-2019, 17:23
Many years ago I learned to cut mats by hand. After advancing to LF photography, I continued using a Logan cutter calibrated to avoid over or under cuts, and a marvelous 24-inch straight edge obtained from Light Impressions long before they descended into mediocrity. These two items are pictured below. Unfortunately, I did not have the foresight back then to buy a longer straight edge … at the time I never imagined I would one day move to LF and corresponding bigger prints. I’m now needing to cut mats larger than 24 inches on the long side, and basically have two options: I can buy a fancy machine such as the Fletcher 2200, or I can continue to cut mats by hand provided I am able to find a longer and reliable straight edge. Because I get off doing things the old-fashioned and familiar way, I prefer to try using the hand held Logan for this task, but I will need a 36-inch straight edge to do that because the 24-inch I have is too short. I post this message to ask for opinions and recommendations on suitable straight edges. (1) Can anyone tell me whether phenolic straight edges are as trustworthy as their makers would have prospective buyers believe - meaning are they sufficiently durable and straight to within measures of .001 to .003 inches over the entire length of the material; and (2) regarding alternative metal edges, namely steel or aluminum with a minimum thickness of 2mm and similar measures of straightness, is there a certain brand ideal for the use I have in mind? I am looking at Fowler in particular (http://www.fowlerprecision.com/Products/Straight-Edges/524800600.html), but I am open to any and all possibilities that will satisfy my need for a non-slip material having a true straight edge. Regarding the non-slip part of this conversation, the great thing about the LI edge is that it has a recessed cork bottom that makes it quite stable when pressed against museum boards. Thanks in advance for all responses.

N. Riley
http://normanrileyphotography.com

Machinist supply or check out the Starrett site.

Richard Wasserman
22-Aug-2019, 18:02
Look at straightedges from McMaster Carr. They have them up to 10 feet long.

McMaster.com

JMO
22-Aug-2019, 18:33
I have purchased, and use to safely and reliably cut 4-ply mat board, 24- and 36-inch "Safe-T-Cut Trimming Straightedges" made by the Alvin Co (https://alvinco.com/Home/refreshcategory?newgroupidlist=2:2091,%207:9378,%202:10402&title=Results%20for%20SE48&ordertype=1&itemsperpage=25). in Bloomfield, CT. These are made of aluminum and designed especially for cutting mat board and similar media, and come in many widths and configurations (see at URL). They have a rubber backing insert on the back side of the straightedge that is designed to provide a secure non-slip grip to the mat board you are cutting. They also have an upright rib down the middle of the top side of the straightedge for firm holding of the straightedge during the cutting process. The edges have detailed rulers for measurement, and the overall construction is robust such that these straightedges should last multiple lifetimes for average LF photographers and printmakers.

Leszek Vogt
22-Aug-2019, 21:20
Most hardware stores have alum stock at various lengths, very similar to Fowler. If you want to true it, in order to be more accurate, it's easy to tie down a small grinder and run it by it....one can also do this on a table saw > little imagination = done. Also, this

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/groz-24-straight-edge at least they don't hide the price.

Les

Keith Pitman
23-Aug-2019, 03:07
Leevalley.com has lots of options.

Fred L
23-Aug-2019, 09:46
does your cutter ride on rails ? logan makes larger cutters that aren't going to cost an arm or a leg. I use a Fletcher 2100 or Keencut Ultimat (like the latter better).

NER
23-Aug-2019, 10:24
Thanks to everyone for the many excellent suggestions offered here.
Fred L., no my cutter does not ride on a rail as happens with the Logan 350-1, for example.

N. Riley
http://normanrileyphotography.com

Maris Rusis
23-Aug-2019, 16:24
I've cut hundreds of mattes over the years and my straight edge, about 4 feet long, is a piece of aluminium extrusion I found on an abandoned building site. It was probably part of a window frame. The only modification I did was to put masking tape on the underside so it would not slip on or mark matte board.

Steven Ruttenberg
25-Aug-2019, 20:37
How accurate do you want? The longer they are the more likely they will flex regardless of how straight when not loaded up. Speaking as an engineer of course.

Daniel Stone
26-Aug-2019, 03:23
Friend of mine uses one of these to trim large(40"+) prints(mostly inkjets) and he has been entirely happy.
I am considering one myself, after giving his a try this past month while visiting him at his new studio.

http://www.speedpress.com/products/2/11

Drew Wiley
26-Aug-2019, 15:24
The notion of spending significant sums of money for a true machinist's edge and then potentially ruining it with a knife seems ridiculous. The real deal - made from precision steel bar - has to be kept oiled or it rusts. You don't need accuracy within a few thousands of an inch. Your board will change dimension far more than that within half an hour just due to ambient humidity fluctuations. Phenolic is NOT itself dimensionally stable and will warp. Best, take that money and get a serious linear matcutter and calibrate it properly. No mere straightedge system is comparable in utility. Museum board is itself rather expensive, so mis-cuts will add up quickly. But if you simply must have a straightedge, look for a used draftsman's stainless steel one, from back when such things were routine. The current art store versions are pathetic. Aluminum bars get nicks and so forth in them rather easily. But lumberyards and woodworking suppliers like Rockler sell extruded aluminum straightedges for modest prices.

Roger Thoms
26-Aug-2019, 15:56
Maybe something like this. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1370815-REG/keencut_60004_48_safety_laser_trued.html

Roger

LOL, saw Daniel's post right after I posted this.