The Intrepid 8x10 Mark II. - It is in the mail!!

[pepeguitarra]

Finally my hiking, walking 8x10 camera is coming home. Of course, it will dictate how soon I will get my wooden 8x10. Here are some photos sent by Max. Now, that Intrepid released the camera, I can share those photos with you.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7810/40259164323_06043704cf.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24kyJWP)8x10a (https://flic.kr/p/24kyJWP) by Palenquero Photography (https://www.flickr.com/photos/palenquero/), on Flickr


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7901/46386100204_e290ec09d0.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dEYTwm)unnamed (https://flic.kr/p/2dEYTwm) by Palenquero Photography (https://www.flickr.com/photos/palenquero/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7814/46386100354_2ed187855d.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dEYTyW)unnamed-3 (https://flic.kr/p/2dEYTyW) by Palenquero Photography (https://www.flickr.com/photos/palenquero/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7923/46386100284_ddd9daff61.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dEYTxJ)unnamed-4 (https://flic.kr/p/2dEYTxJ) by Palenquero Photography (https://www.flickr.com/photos/palenquero/), on Flickr

[Carography]

Looks like some nice upgrades.
Ben Horne Youtube'd a short vid here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yLkKdhQNeI
Is the MK II more expensive?

[pepeguitarra]

NO. Same price.

[ManWithManyHobbies]

Once you receive it and have time to use it, I'd like to know how stable the front standard is and what it can handle lens weight wise.

[pepeguitarra]

Once you receive it and have time to use it, I'd like to know how stable the front standard is and what it can handle lens weight wise..
I did get it and the front standard is stable, no need to put any tape around it. I used the Nikkor-M 450/9 without problem. In general the camera is now fine. The problems I got were on the quality control of the manufacture. There are several things that broke, I fixed it, not perfectly. The bellows is glued to the standards, but it was skewed and to keep the front standard leveled, there has too be tied with the knobs at all times. Once you lose them to tilt or raise, you have to apply extra effort to keep the front std leveled. A printed plastic stop came off while in transit (in the mail) and I did not noticed until the other side piece broke in front of my eyes (they came unglued). Those little parts are supposed to allow the independent movement of raise/fall and tilt. Onethe springs that hold the back ground glass were screwed up side down (not big there, I unscrewed it and put it back in the correct position). However, the screws on one side were drilled a bit off, so when trying to place the film holder, one of the springs gets off the back. I have to fix that by removing the springs and drilling new holes on the springs and the back. I have not had time, since I am using my Kodak 2D Eastman (8x10), which I recommend. Not impressed with the quality control. I will probably donate that camera to a cause and buy a Chamonix.

[paulbarden]

. I have not had time, since I am using my Kodak 2D Eastman (8x10), which I recommend. Not impressed with the quality control. I will probably donate that camera to a cause and buy a Chamonix.

Quality control appears to be a persistent issue with the build of the 8X10 Intrepid. If I had known what I was in for before ordering, I would definitely NOT have bought one, and instead found a reasonable Kodak 2D instead. It is my impression that the design of the 4x5 does not scale up well to work as an 8x10: the result is a camera that is too fragile and there's too much flex of the components, making it hard to lock things down, etc. Pieces have fallen off mine as well, and the magnets have pulled out of the rear standard, yanking the felt off with them. I should have returned it, and now, I wish I had.

[Peter De Smidt]

Paul, which version of the 8x10 are you talking about?

[paulbarden]

Paul, which version of the 8x10 are you talking about?

Its the version immediately before the recent change to spring loaded backs. It shipped last October.

[ManWithManyHobbies]

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I did get it and the front standard is stable, no need to put any tape around it. I used the Nikkor-M 450/9 without problem. In general the camera is now fine. The problems I got were on the quality control of the manufacture. There are several things that broke, I fixed it, not perfectly. The bellows is glued to the standards, but it was skewed and to keep the front standard leveled, there has too be tied with the knobs at all times. Once you lose them to tilt or raise, you have to apply extra effort to keep the front std leveled. A printed plastic stop came off while in transit (in the mail) and I did not noticed until the other side piece broke in front of my eyes (they came unglued). Those little parts are supposed to allow the independent movement of raise/fall and tilt. Onethe springs that hold the back ground glass were screwed up side down (not big there, I unscrewed it and put it back in the correct position). However, the screws on one side were drilled a bit off, so when trying to place the film holder, one of the springs gets off the back. I have to fix that by removing the springs and drilling new holes on the springs and the back. I have not had time, since I am using my Kodak 2D Eastman (8x10), which I recommend. Not impressed with the quality control. I will probably donate that camera to a cause and buy a Chamonix.

Just to clarify, are you taking about the latest model 8x10 Mark II?

-JW:

[ManWithManyHobbies]

Would you mind posting a close up of the 3D printed part that broke. Would if be possible to fabricate a lightweight aluminum frame to hold the bellows in place and screw it to the front standard (and/or rear standard)? Just wondering as I have machining and fabrication abilities. Just wondering if all those things can be fixed with a little better design.

Thanks,
-JW:

[pepeguitarra]

Here it is:https://live.staticflickr.com/7924/46419738635_c2442daf9b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dHXi4i)20190309_161844 (https://flic.kr/p/2dHXi4i) by Palenquero Photography (https://www.flickr.com/photos/palenquero/), on Flickr

[klw]

Just wondering if the Kessler Kwik Stand XL will fit on the MK II, but I can't find any Image of the underside of the camera. Do you think it would fit?

klw

[pepeguitarra]

Just wondering if the Kessler Kwik Stand XL will fit on the MK II, but I can't find any Image of the underside of the camera. Do you think it would fit?

klw

Do you need it now that the base is made of metal?

https://live.staticflickr.com/7828/47282026132_d7fe88460f.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2f39K67)20190308_131114 (https://flic.kr/p/2f39K67) by Palenquero Photography (https://www.flickr.com/photos/palenquero/), on Flickr

[klw]

Thanks a lot :) It is not about the base of the camera, but about the quick release plates, the wider the better :)

The Kessler Stand XL is about 152,4 x 111,2mm. How big is the protruding part at the camera base?

klw

[Ben Horne]

Just wondering if the Kessler Kwik Stand XL will fit on the MK II, but I can't find any Image of the underside of the camera. Do you think it would fit?

klw

Unlike the previous generation of the Intrepid 8x10 that was completely flat, the mkII has a raised rectangular plate that you attach the QR plate to. The Kessler Kwik Stand XL does fit on the bottom of the MK II, but you have to work around some screws that extend out of the rectangular bottom plate. As a result of the raised plate, the wings don't make full contact with the bottom of the camera. In terms of stability, the Kwik Stand will still be stronger than a regular long plate, but it doesn't have quite the same advantage as on the previous generation with the wings making full contact.

[pepeguitarra]

Ben: Are those two holes on the raised plate strong enough to hold the screw from a regular quick release plate? Is the thickness of the aluminum only holding that screw? It looks like it is meant to fail in the future.

[klw]

Unlike the previous generation of the Intrepid 8x10 that was completely flat, the mkII has a raised rectangular plate that you attach the QR plate to. The Kessler Kwik Stand XL does fit on the bottom of the MK II, but you have to work around some screws that extend out of the rectangular bottom plate. As a result of the raised plate, the wings don't make full contact with the bottom of the camera. In terms of stability, the Kwik Stand will still be stronger than a regular long plate, but it doesn't have quite the same advantage as on the previous generation with the wings making full contact.

Thanks a lot :) So the best solution might be to find a plate that matches the bottom plate as close as possible. I still like the ›side arms‹ from the Kessler plate (and the feet).

It looks like the bottom plate is screwed on. Maybe it is possible to directly attach a permanent Kessler style QR plate :)


klw

[Tin Can]

I use my the XL Kessler Plate on any camera, including 35mm.

The Kessler QR and most of their Plates can be used with multiple attaching screws.

Add a 2nd 1/4-20 socket or second plate to the Intrepid. There are many ways to do that. Such as the kit I have, Marson Thread Setter.
(https://www.amazon.com/M39301-MARSON-MANUAL-THREAD-SETTER-MANDREL/dp/B005YS5ERM/ref=pd_day0_hl_263_4/143-4201980-8004507?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B005YS5ERM&pd_rd_r=0590053e-6077-11e9-a945-818b360be682&pd_rd_w=eRGuC&pd_rd_wg=3TA9z&pf_rd_p=ad07871c-e646-4161-82c7-5ed0d4c85b07&pf_rd_r=TXGF7F0SFXMDB2C2EEYN&psc=1&refRID=TXGF7F0SFXMDB2C2EEYN)
However, the Intrepids are sold as ultralite cameras and...




Thanks a lot :) So the best solution might be to find a plate that matches the bottom plate as close as possible. I still like the ›side arms‹ from the Kessler plate (and the feet).

It looks like the bottom plate is screwed on. Maybe it is possible to directly attach a permanent Kessler style QR plate :)


klw

[Ben Horne]

Ben: Are those two holes on the raised plate strong enough to hold the screw from a regular quick release plate? Is the thickness of the aluminum only holding that screw? It looks like it is meant to fail in the future.


The threads are cut into that rectangular plate itself. The metal of that plate has some decent thickness to it, but the screws will most likely extend beyond the thickness of that metal, so not all of the threads on the screw will be in contact. In a perfect world those threads would be deeper and perhaps made out of an even more durable material, but I don't think that will be much of an issue. Most people will attach a plate then leave it on there. When I attached my Kessler Kwik Stand XL, it feels very solid. Perhaps it would be a concern if you are not using a QR plate and you are threading into those screw holes again and again. That all being said, it sure looks like that rectangular plate can be replaced down the line if anything were to happen. It looks to be quite modular in that sense, and I imagine that is the reason for the design.

[pepeguitarra]

Thank you Ben. This is what I did: I replace the 1/4" screw of my quick release plate for a 3/8" (because it has a larger circumference therefore more contact with the camera base. Then, I dedicated a QR plate for the camera, to be attached for ever. I feel it stronger on the tripod.

[Sal Santamaura]

It might be time to have S.K. Grimes make you a replacement base that includes an integral Arca-type dovetail. That's what I did with my Ebony cameras' titanium bottom plates; see this post for detailed images:


https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?123534-Quick-releases-for-LF-cameras&p=1256897&viewfull=1#post1256897

[pepeguitarra]

Is S.K. Grimes still in business?

[pepeguitarra]

It might be time to have S.K. Grimes make you a replacement base that includes an integral Arca-type dovetail. That's what I did with my Ebony cameras' titanium bottom plates; see this post for detailed images:


https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?123534-Quick-releases-for-LF-cameras&p=1256897&viewfull=1#post1256897
Sal, thanks. That seems the way to go.

[Whir-Click]

S.K. Grimes is still very much in business.

[klw]

It might be time to have S.K. Grimes make you a replacement base that includes an integral Arca-type dovetail. That's what I did with my Ebony cameras' titanium bottom plates; see this post for detailed images:


https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?123534-Quick-releases-for-LF-cameras&p=1256897&viewfull=1#post1256897

That is exactly what I was thinking about. Feet would still be nice :)

klw

[Leszek Vogt]

Can't you (either of you) adapt this plate ? It's large enough, I thought.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1088262-REG/kessler_crane_mg1005_kwik_utility_plate.html?sts=pi


Les