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375Caltar
15-Apr-2018, 09:53
I talked to JJ at B&H this morning and he had broken up the 16 box minimum order. So, Delta 100 in 5X7, in 100 sheet boxes for 184.50. Pretty sweet deal. Donít know if itíll be back in 5X7. Iím putting 2 in my freezer.

Bernice Loui
15-Apr-2018, 17:32
Ilford Delta 100, 5x7 box of 100 sheets cost $184.00 or $1.84 per sheet.

Ilford Delta 100, 8x10 box of 25 sheets cost $115.00 or $4.60 per sheet.

Ilford Delta 100, 4x5 box of 25 sheets cost $40.00 or $1.60 per sheet.


5x7 is nearly twice the film area of 4x5 with a cost penalty of $0.24 per sheet more, Consider the "bigger picture" of this.



Bernice




I talked to JJ at B&H this morning and he had broken up the 16 box minimum order. So, Delta 100 in 5X7, in 100 sheet boxes for 184.50. Pretty sweet deal. Don’t know if it’ll be back in 5X7. I’m putting 2 in my freezer.

George Losse
16-Apr-2018, 07:15
This is nice to see. I hope they keep it as a regularly stocked item.

I always thought the 16 box minimum was a little over the top.
But I think the 5x7 Delta 100 was also available as part of the ULF sheet film annual order.

Laurent L
16-Apr-2018, 07:28
Don't worry folks, here in Europe its still available on German websites, at least in its larger version (13x18cm) I use it a lot for my portraits lford is not like Fuji they won't ditch us... I hope so...

Pere Casals
16-Apr-2018, 07:57
Don't worry folks, here in Europe its still available on German websites, at least in its larger version (13x18cm) I use it a lot for my portraits lford is not like Fuji they won't ditch us... I hope so...

It should be remembered that 13x18cm holders can always be used with 5x7" film, but some 5x7" holders cannot accept 13x18cm film.

Bernice Loui
16-Apr-2018, 09:27
Have YOU tried using 5x7 film in a 13x18 film holder or 13x18 film in a 5x7 holder?


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Bernice



It should be remembered that 13x18cm holders can always be used with 5x7" film, but some 5x7" holders cannot accept 13x18cm film.

Laurent L
16-Apr-2018, 10:10
Yeps ! you can't load a 13x18cm film in a 5x7" holder and you shouldn't load a 5x7" in a 13x18cm holder. Here in France I use 4 different size of films (9x12cm, 4x5", 5X7" and 13x18cm) and to do things right I had to buy 4 different kind of holders. By the way, 5x7 holder are hard to find here... One day I'll fly to US to bring back some equipement and films which are 25% cheaper than in France even for the ilford products...

Pere Casals
16-Apr-2018, 10:25
Have YOU tried using 5x7 film in a 13x18 film holder or 13x18 film in a 5x7 holder?



Only 5x7 film in 13x18 holders

in some cases the sheet can fall when removing the dark slide, so depending on the holder some tricks have to be used.

Bernice Loui
16-Apr-2018, 10:32
Voice of Non-Real world experience.


Bernice





Only 5x7 film in 13x18 holders

in some cases the sheet can fall when removing the dark slide, so depending on the holder some tricks have to be used.

Bernice Loui
16-Apr-2018, 10:34
Discovered their total non-interchangability decades ago when a friend in Germany sent some Agfa chrome 100 and Agfa Pan 100, 13x18cm film, then tried to load 13x18cm film into a 5x7 holder... not even close. 5x7 film falls out of the film holder guide rails in a 13x18cm film holder.

Ended up ordering a batch of fifteen 13x18cm film holders back when it was a simple order at the local Foto store. Still have those film holders today allowing use of 5x7 or 13x18cm film.

5x7 is the more common size, while back in the film days, 13x18cm film was the standard in Europe and Japan and likely non-"Imperial" base Nations.


Bernice


Yeps ! you can't load a 13x18cm film in a 5x7" holder and you shouldn't load a 5x7" in a 13x18cm holder. Here in France I use 4 different size of films (9x12cm, 4x5", 5X7" and 13x18cm) and to do things right I had to buy 4 different kind of holders. By the way, 5x7 holder are hard to find here... One day I'll fly to US to bring back some equipement and films which are 25% cheaper than in France even for the ilford products...

Pere Casals
16-Apr-2018, 11:52
Voice of Non-Real world experience.


Bernice

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Just inserting a tiny strip of plastic or cartoon of the right thickness in the groove it works centering the 57 film in the 13x18cm holder, and then the sheet is well centered and secured.

Also you can find abundant literature about that in this forum. My CAMBO SC 5x7came with a dozen of 13x18cm holders, so I "converted" 4 holders for the moment, the posted images are in original condition, to show the little margin it remains in one side when the film is moved to the other side.

Also I sprayed one of the holders with 3M Re Mount glue, it also works OK, this is another trick, this also ensures flatness, like if it was a Sinar adhesive holder.

This is my modest DIY amateur real word experience about that.

Cheers

Jimi
16-Apr-2018, 13:11
Yes, Pere, but you are actually customizng the holder - that is something else ... ;)

In their original state the 5x7 and 13x18 holders have different internal dimensions - or the 12x16.5 ones, for that matter.

Pere Casals
16-Apr-2018, 13:46
Yes, Pere, but you are actually customizng the holder - that is something else ... ;)

In their original state the 5x7 and 13x18 holders have different internal dimensions - or the 12x16.5 ones, for that matter.

Some holders require the customization, and some not, this has been debated here. I've shot 57 film in regular 13x18 holders without a problem, but for sure with that small and reversible costumization film is well secured, and and it takes a minute to do it. I guess it also depends on the film manufacturer tolerance.

Just take a 400 grs/m2 cardboard (or equivalent thickness plastic), with a cutter cut 2mm wide strips (or slightly less) and insert that in the groove.

What is for sure is that if you have 13x18 holders you will be able to spend 5x7 film boxes. Will you need to insert 2mm strips in the grooves ? well, this depends on the holders you have...

If one is a Pro and makes his living with 5x7 shots, then please purchase the right holders... of course. An amateur (and learner) like may have to adapt to the gear one has.

DG 3313
16-Apr-2018, 15:33
In stock again for the same price. I ordered two....thanks for the heads up!