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Luis-F-S
30-Mar-2017, 10:06
There was a post a while back for a two wheeled cart with a front/back wheel orientation (like a bicycle) originally made carrying killed game that looked like a good alternative for carrying ULF gear over "rough" terrain. Does anyone have a link for it? Can't remember if it was posted here or at APUG. If not, other than a 3 wheel bicycle, what do people use that is light and easily transportable in a car trunk for ULF gear? I'm not going deep into the woods, just need something to haul from the car and back!

Thanks, Luis

Drew Bedo
30-Mar-2017, 17:51
This it?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/enijeo/honey-badger-wheel-is-the-all-terrain-mechanical-a?token=88e53462

Michael Kadillak
30-Mar-2017, 19:33
Owning a 30# V11 and with similar away from the truck objectives I will share with you that after a number of attempts at transporting the infamous boat anchor with its appurtenant accessories, the best option iIMHO s a collapsible two wheel moving cart with plenty of elastic strapping to keep it on the cart. I tried the "baby stroller" and the four wheeled general transport option and what I found was that the undulated terrain was best modulated with the least number of contact wheels possible and two is without question better than four specifically for the task at hand. In this regard, the larger the two wheels the better. I got my cart at Costco. I will qualify that I have a thick padded Strebor case for the camera that adeptly has the capability of taking the tripod on top. I put the lenses as well as the holders and the accessories in a small backpack. Works like a shape. Appreciate Drew chiming in but the top heavy nature of this hunting mobility devise may be great for a deer carcass, but is problematic for a valued big ass camera. From an engineering perspective, keep the load low and you will be fine.

Lachlan 717
30-Mar-2017, 19:56
I've thought about this a bit.

If/when I get around to it, I'll build one with single axel (2 wheels).

I'll use the oversized Mountain Bike wheels (see below). I think these will work well on softer ground, as well as add a bit of shock absorption.

The main design element I think I need is having the load being borne in a gimbal-mounted basket. In this way, the load will always be flat, reducing torque and reducing the unbalanced load.

Oh, and I might link the gimbal to the wheels with a suspension system to again reduce shock on the camera kit.

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Lachlan 717
30-Mar-2017, 19:56
Oh, and I'll add a locking system for both the gimbal and the wheels...

Carl J
30-Mar-2017, 22:51
Owning a 30# V11 and with similar away from the truck objectives I will share with you that after a number of attempts at transporting the infamous boat anchor with its appurtenant accessories, the best option iIMHO s a collapsible two wheel moving cart with plenty of elastic strapping to keep it on the cart. I tried the "baby stroller" and the four wheeled general transport option and what I found was that the undulated terrain was best modulated with the least number of contact wheels possible and two is without question better than four specifically for the task at hand. In this regard, the larger the two wheels the better. I got my cart at Costco. I will qualify that I have a thick padded Strebor case for the camera that adeptly has the capability of taking the tripod on top. I put the lenses as well as the holders and the accessories in a small backpack. Works like a shape. Appreciate Drew chiming in but the top heavy nature of this hunting mobility devise may be great for a deer carcass, but is problematic for a valued big ass camera. From an engineering perspective, keep the load low and you will be fine.

Michael, can you post a picture of your cart?

Thanks.

plaubel
31-Mar-2017, 00:57
Just another idea:

https://www.amazon.de/Tatonka-1130-Lastenkraxe/dp/B001RTT8PG

Pulling a heavy loaded and two-wheeled transporter over roots and stones isn't as easy as it seems to be, I found after some years of camping and fishing.
Often it changed into sidewinding and crabbing, in moving backwards, or in repacking the transporter.

Best would be a wide wheel base to avoid rollovers..

Ritchie

Lachlan 717
31-Mar-2017, 01:18
Or a Gimbal...

Tav Walraven
31-Mar-2017, 06:16
Posted several years ago. Here's an old Samsonite case I added an axle and wheels for hauling the Lotus 12x20. It holds 4 holders, tripod at the bottom of the pull out handle, and the lenses are in a bag over my shoulder. The tires take air so it handles rough terrain fine. Handled Santa Elena Canyon and Big Bend just fine several times and remained quite intact. Closer photos of the cart bottom with axle, wheels, etc are available. Axle is square tubing from Home Depot, wheels from Tractor Supply.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc187/Grainfed/SamsoniteCart005.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Grainfed/media/SamsoniteCart005.jpg.html)

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc187/Grainfed/SamsoniteCart006.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Grainfed/media/SamsoniteCart006.jpg.html)

Here's a shot of the T handle that allows the case to remain open at a 45 degree angle.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc187/Grainfed/SamsoniteCart015.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Grainfed/media/SamsoniteCart015.jpg.html)
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc187/Grainfed/SamsoniteCart002.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Grainfed/media/SamsoniteCart002.jpg.html)

Tav Walraven
31-Mar-2017, 06:25
A few more shots.............
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc187/Grainfed/SamsoniteCart001.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Grainfed/media/SamsoniteCart001.jpg.html)
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc187/Grainfed/SamsoniteCart003.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Grainfed/media/SamsoniteCart003.jpg.html)
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc187/Grainfed/SamsoniteCart014.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Grainfed/media/SamsoniteCart014.jpg.html)
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc187/Grainfed/SamsoniteCart010.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Grainfed/media/SamsoniteCart010.jpg.html)

Luis-F-S
31-Mar-2017, 08:05
Really neat, Tav, but since I'm not mechanically inclined, I'd like to adapt something off the shelf. We also don't have a Costco in New Orleans Michael, but will look for something similar once you post a photo!

Michael Kadillak
31-Mar-2017, 08:43
Below are some pics of the folding cart I use for my V11. Folds flat for the vehicle and has a large base platform and keeps the load low and with bunge cords it works fine for my application. The platform is 15" deep and 19" wide and stands 45" tall fully open. The wheels have a diameter of 8 inches. Folded it is 28" x 19" x3". I have seen these at office supply stores and maybe even on Amazon.

Have a Great Day!


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Carl J
31-Mar-2017, 09:28
Really neat, Tav, but since I'm not mechanically inclined, I'd like to adapt something off the shelf. We also don't have a Costco in New Orleans Michael, but will look for something similar once you post a photo!

Yes, Tav, great to see the close-up photos of your rig but not that mechanically adept either, at least not when left to my own devices. These close-up's help alot.

So I'm with Luis-F-S for now in wanting to see Michael's cart...

Carl J
31-Mar-2017, 09:31
Below are some pics of the folding cart I use for my V11. Folds flat for the vehicle and has a large base platform and keeps the load low and with bunge cords it works fine for my application. The platform is 15" deep and 19" wide and stands 45" tall fully open. The wheels have a diameter of 8 inches. Folded it is 28" x 19" x3". I have seen these at office supply stores and maybe even on Amazon.

Have a Great Day!


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Thanks, Michael. How well do the wheels work on moderately uneven terrain, grass, dirt, gravel? I'm not necessarily hauling that far but usually the ground is a bit rough.

Thom Bennett
31-Mar-2017, 09:48
Hey Luis, we do have a Costco now. Right near Carrollton and I-10.

Michael Kadillak
31-Mar-2017, 10:32
Thanks, Michael. How well do the wheels work on moderately uneven terrain, grass, dirt, gravel? I'm not necessarily hauling that far but usually the ground is a bit rough.

Great question Carl. For the most part grass, dirt and gravel are reasonably dealt with as the wheels at 8 inches in diameter are reasonable size for the task at hand. If the trail gets real "rough" any cart is going to struggle. In a perfect world I would rather have 16" wheels four inches wide within this low center of gravity configuration that would provide much better transport over undulated terrain, but this was the best I could come up with at the time. I borrowed a three wheel baby stroller and I found the camera case did not fit well in it. I also tried out a four wheel cart that fit the camera case but in both of these scenarios I did not like the high position of the camera case even though it is padded on all sides in case I tipped it over. I like the low center of gravity in this set up and deal with the terrain as it presents itself in managing the risk to the camera in getting it to the optimal camera site. In this regard I have been know to grab the case top handle and pick it and the cart over a small obstacle along the way if it is an anomaly. When the path gets to challenging I grab the 8x10 in a backpack.

Tav Walraven
31-Mar-2017, 13:13
I used one like Michael is showing before the Samsonite was overhauled. It worked fine. I already had the suitcase done for the camera and just strapped it onto the rolling cart shown. The tripod and other gear would also sit on top, etc. The only issue were the solid tires on rough terrain hence the Samsonite build got the larger inflatable tires. Big Bend requires either soft tires or a mule. Some assembly required on both!

Carl J
31-Mar-2017, 14:39
Hi Tav,

I like that approach, samsonite suitcase (or equivalent) with rolling cart, and then figure out how to modify the suitcase as in the photos.

Thanks.

lab black
31-Mar-2017, 20:58
I also use the same exact cart that Michael posted, for every format up to and including 8x10. It has proven to be extremely rugged.

For ULF, when on a flat surface such as a sidewalk, I use a folding 4 wheel cart;

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1299905-REG/multicart_r8rt_mid_8_in1_hand.html

https://www.uline.com/BL_1885/8-In-1-Multi-Carts?keywords=4%20wheel%20folding%20cart (10 in. wheels)




For trail use or soft surfaces, I use a UPS style dolly that I modified with larger, inflatable wheels.

https://www.magliner.com/product/special-application-trucks/two-wheel-folding-hand-trucks

Two23
31-Mar-2017, 21:14
Nobody uses a donkey any more?


Kent in SD

Luis-F-S
1-Apr-2017, 04:44
They make a mess in the truck if you forget to let them out!

Greg
1-Apr-2017, 06:19
Below are some pics of the folding cart I use for my V11. Folds flat for the vehicle and has a large base platform and keeps the load low and with bunge cords it works fine for my application. The platform is 15" deep and 19" wide and stands 45" tall fully open. The wheels have a diameter of 8 inches. Folded it is 28" x 19" x3". I have seen these at office supply stores and maybe even on Amazon.

Have a Great Day!


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Have used a similar cart but with the addition of 2 pieces of foam between the camera case and the cart to cut down on vibration. I also easily fitted larger wheels which destabilized the cart a little bit but made it a lot easier to drag the cart over rocky terrain.

Michael Kadillak
1-Apr-2017, 07:50
Have used a similar cart but with the addition of 2 pieces of foam between the camera case and the cart to cut down on vibration. I also easily fitted larger wheels which destabilized the cart a little bit but made it a lot easier to drag the cart over rocky terrain.

There clearly are a considerable number of options for each photographer to consider. I got a Northern Tool and Equipment catalog yesterday and you can go to a full blown cart they use in landscape shops to cart potted trees around with big pressurized wheels and a large platform for $190 if you have some challenges with terrain. Balancing the space to haul it around with the objective to get the shot is a very personal decision. I have had a couple of instances where a cart was of no use but I wanted the shot so I hauled it to the location piece by piece making three trips to and three trips back. Out here in Colorado photographing in wilderness areas wheels of any kind are not allowed. It is either a horse/mule or you pack it. I actually have a back pack for my 8x20 and V11 and have used it recently. It may not be easy but such is life. We just figure it out.

Greg
1-Apr-2017, 09:03
Out here in Colorado photographing in wilderness areas wheels of any kind are not allowed. It is either a horse/mule or you pack it. I actually have a back pack for my 8x20 and V11 and have used it recently. It may not be easy but such is life. We just figure it out.

In the Northeast have not run into wheels not being allowed in the wilderness, but have come across "TRIPODS NOT ALLOWED" signs.

Michael Kadillak
1-Apr-2017, 10:36
In the Northeast have not run into wheels not being allowed in the wilderness, but have come across "TRIPODS NOT ALLOWED" signs.

The Federal Government manages 765 wilderness areas and 109 million acres of US designated protected areas through the BLM, The Forest Service, the National Park Service and the Fish and Wildlife Service. The difference in your scenario with wheels allowed is very likely in the fact that the areas you are making reference to are State Wilderness managed areas because the Federal Government wilderness designation is very rigorous with fines imposed and consistent supervision. Among the other restrictions - outfitters need certified hay for their pack animals to keep noxious weeds out. And if you get caught with a mountain bike in there you can kiss it good by. Park Rangers have enormous authority and can confiscate campers and trucks at a moments notice. I was stopped by a ranger while pushing a three wheeler with some LF equipment in it as I was heading into Trappers Lake / The Flat Tops Wilderness area in NW Colorado and told that the fine for wheeled vehicles in the area was $125 or confiscation of the carrier if I wanted to go to court. When I paused a bit he must have thought I was wanting the shot and he asked me if the photo was worth the fine because he said if I did not go past the lake he would let me pay the fine and shoot all day. Discretion being the better form of valor I walked the carrier back to the cabin and put the 8x10 in a backpack, took two lenses two holders and slung the tripod over my shoulder and went for a hike.

Drew Bedo
1-Apr-2017, 15:09
I have heard these kind of stories before . . .Is this not in conflict with the Americans With Disabilities Act?

I have run across wheel-chair bound but otherwise vigerous young men who can negotiate street curbing and a few stairs while seated in a non-powered wheel chair . . .They cannot enter a so-called Wilderness Area due to this no-wheels policy? REALLY?

A powered scooter like those advertised on TV I could understand. Heck, I have even seen an electric powered wheelchair with tank-like treads, so OK I get that, but no wheels at all? My mother-in-law has a walker with wheels . ..that out too?

Yes, ome of this rant is over the top, but there is a point to be made . . .how far off am I in this?

Drew Bedo
1-Apr-2017, 15:27
What about a travois? Just a couiple of poles with the gear lashed in between.

What about a toboggan in winter (or summer)?

Michael Kadillak
1-Apr-2017, 16:08
I have heard these kind of stories before . . .Is this not in conflict with the Americans With Disabilities Act?

I have run across wheel-chair bound but otherwise vigerous young men who can negotiate street curbing and a few stairs while seated in a non-powered wheel chair . . .They cannot enter a so-called Wilderness Area due to this no-wheels policy? REALLY?

A powered scooter like those advertised on TV I could understand. Heck, I have even seen an electric powered wheelchair with tank-like treads, so OK I get that, but no wheels at all? My mother-in-law has a walker with wheels . ..that out too?

Ye3ah, some of this rant is over the top, but there is a point to be made . . .how far off am I in this?

Please. Why do we have to jump to the most emotionally charged scenario possibly involved. I am damn glad that they have these rules by the way or you would have every knucklehead on his ATV blasting through the area with no regard to others like it is in public areas. By the way there are plenty of ways a person with disabilities can enjoy the outdoors. It is called the National Forest and they have infinite mobility and access. Reality check. Being at 10,000 ft elevation with rapidly challenging weather conditions in terrain a mountain goat would have problems with is no place for anyone disabled.

Carl J
1-Apr-2017, 19:21
I also use the same exact cart that Michael posted, for every format up to and including 8x10. It has proven to be extremely rugged.

For ULF, when on a flat surface such as a sidewalk, I use a folding 4 wheel cart;

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1299905-REG/multicart_r8rt_mid_8_in1_hand.html

https://www.uline.com/BL_1885/8-In-1-Multi-Carts?keywords=4%20wheel%20folding%20cart (10 in. wheels)




For trail use or soft surfaces, I use a UPS style dolly that I modified with larger, inflatable wheels.

https://www.magliner.com/product/special-application-trucks/two-wheel-folding-hand-trucks


Thanks, these look extremely interesting as well. And most of these seem to collapse down to a fairly manageable size which is important. I have a smaller than normal trunk due to the hybrid battery pack which limits my options.

Tav Walraven
1-Apr-2017, 21:31
These are pretty cool and have a 500 lb capacity for $75.

http://www.discountramps.com/game-cart/p/GAME-CART/?CID=PSC-PLA-Google-GAME-CART-hunting-products&st-t=google-hunting-products&vt-pti=297146636324&vt-k=&vt-m=&CAWELAID=820562990000013350&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=23066241262&CATCI=pla-297146636324&gclid=CMzeiJH4hNMCFYe2wAod2zQK1w

I'd get rid of the solid tires and put the inflatable ones on it for the $25 they want. Just strap on your 300 WinMag to the side of your 12x20 and when you're done, bag some dinner and head home with everything you shot during the day....Just sayin'

Michael Kadillak
2-Apr-2017, 10:20
These are pretty cool and have a 500 lb capacity for $75.

http://www.discountramps.com/game-cart/p/GAME-CART/?CID=PSC-PLA-Google-GAME-CART-hunting-products&st-t=google-hunting-products&vt-pti=297146636324&vt-k=&vt-m=&CAWELAID=820562990000013350&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=23066241262&CATCI=pla-297146636324&gclid=CMzeiJH4hNMCFYe2wAod2zQK1w

I'd get rid of the solid tires and put the inflatable ones on it for the $25 they want. Just strap on your 300 WinMag to the side of your 12x20 and when you're done, bag some dinner and head home with everything you shot during the day....Just sayin'

Thanks! Nice option. Surely the large inflatable wheels would get you over most reasonable terrain with a ULF camera in that sizable platform. And the price seems very reasonable.

Drew Bedo
2-Apr-2017, 12:36
Michael: to respond in detail . . .

Please. Why do we have to jump to the most emotionally charged scenario possibly involved.

As a visually impaired LF photographer I may be a little more sensitive (over-sensitive ?) to these issues than folks in full health. I apologies for picking extreme examples.

’I am damn glad that they have these rules by the way or you would have every knucklehead on his ATV blasting through the area with no regard to others like it is in public areas.’

Of course powered vehicles like ATVs, trail bikes . . .AND wheel chairs with tank tracks . . .should be barred. It is my feeling that a wheel barrow, dolly or jogging stroller should be allowed; manually operated wheelchairs too.

Furthermore: Wilderness areas ARE "public areas" and persons with disabilities have every right to attempt access as anyone else.

"By the way there are plenty of ways a person with disabilities can enjoy the outdoors. It is called the National Forest and they have infinite mobility and access."

This is not just condescending, but approaches the "Separate-But-Equal" attitude in the old days of the Jim Crow South.

"Reality check. Being at 10,000 ft elevation with rapidly challenging weather conditions in terrain a mountain goat would have problems with is no place for anyone disabled."

Again condescension: Because you have full use of your limbs and senses you know better? Plenty of completely fit mountaineers have made those types of high country mistakes . . .and died. The trail to Everest's summit is littered with them. Physical wholeness or disability have no correlation with lack of judgment.


In any case, we are not talking about getting a paraplegic to the Boulder Field at Long's Peak on a trail bike (granted, its not a wilderness area, but it is a high country trail that I know). This discussion of wilderness area regulations began with the thought of pulling a dolly full of LF photo gear off the parking lot and up a trail a ways.

Michael Kadillak
2-Apr-2017, 14:42
Michael: to respond in detail . . .

Please. Why do we have to jump to the most emotionally charged scenario possibly involved.

As a visually impaired LF photographer I may be a little more sensitive (over-sensitive ?) to these issues than folks in full health. I apologies for picking extreme examples.

’I am damn glad that they have these rules by the way or you would have every knucklehead on his ATV blasting through the area with no regard to others like it is in public areas.’

Of course powered vehicles like ATVs, trail bikes . . .AND wheel chairs with tank tracks . . .should be barred. It is my feeling that a wheel barrow, dolly or jogging stroller should be allowed; manually operated wheelchairs too.

Furthermore: Wilderness areas ARE "public areas" and persons with disabilities have every right to attempt access as anyone else.

"By the way there are plenty of ways a person with disabilities can enjoy the outdoors. It is called the National Forest and they have infinite mobility and access."

This is not just condescending, but approaches the "Separate-But-Equal" attitude in the old days of the Jim Crow South.

"Reality check. Being at 10,000 ft elevation with rapidly challenging weather conditions in terrain a mountain goat would have problems with is no place for anyone disabled."

Again condescension: Because you have full use of your limbs and senses you know better? Plenty of completely fit mountaineers have made those types of high country mistakes . . .and died. The trail to Everest's summit is littered with them. Physical wholeness or disability have no correlation with lack of judgment.


In any case, we are not talking about getting a paraplegic to the Boulder Field at Long's Peak on a trail bike (granted, its not a wilderness area, but it is a high country trail that I know). This discussion of wilderness area regulations began with the thought of pulling a dolly full of LF photo gear off the parking lot and up a trail a ways.

All of this is completely off topic so I will respectfully get back to the topic at hand.

Fact. Federal Wilderness areas have defined rules for able bodied individuals that prohibit wheels of any kind for a reason. I am just pointing this out to the readers. It is entirely possible that persons with disabilities have a whole list of exceptions within Wilderness areas that I am completely unaware of that are in the same vein as special parking passes which I have no problems with. The many Wilderness areas I have visited in Colorado are in fact steep and challenging for able bodied individuals. That is precisely the draw to these areas - because they are very difficult to get into let alone photograph with LF equipment. Plus for the most part you have the place to yourself. I am not digging on anyone, I am just calling it like I experienced it.

Drew Bedo
3-Apr-2017, 06:53
The question of carts and wheel chairs has been definitively answered in the Travel Forum by a former Ranger who managed a wilderness area for years.

Summery: Carts, dollies etc definatly not allowed.

But wheelchairs, both electric and manual, ARE allowed wherever you can make it go.

Having worked in Aa VA Hospityal for twelve years, I have seen about every type of wheelchair. Many of them would be able to carry a LF or ULFsized load for short distances over Golf Course type ground. So one could go from the parking lot to . . .over there in a Federal Wilderness Area.

Fred L
3-Apr-2017, 17:43
I've been meaning to get one of these that friends use when racing open canoe slalom course. Makes it easy as hell to get back to the start and they usually stack a couple of canoes to save time. Total weights would be around 240 lbs for three whitewater canoes. Wouldn't be hard to attach a platform for either a Pelican case or camera backpack.

https://www.amazon.com/Seattle-Sports-061105-ATC-Cart/dp/B003CRNYTC/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1424590300&sr=8-5&keywords=canoe+cart


I ended up getting this and thinking of adding larger, maybe 24" tires. I didn't pay this price however ;) For those who know MEC (like REI), it's become less self propelled and more car camping (think Coleman two burner stove/oven type of gear and rocking camping chairs that cost around $200.

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5052-853/Canoe-Small-Boat-Cart


that Kill Shot cart linked above looks pretty sweet.

Drew Bedo
4-Apr-2017, 07:07
Nearly everyone posting in this thread have contributed valid viewpoints and presented them with well meaning intent. I appreciate that.


On re-reading this thread, I think there is a misunderstanding. Many posts here suggest alternatives to Federal Wilderness Areas for persons with physical limitations; all of them wonderful places and the suggestions reasonable. A few contributors do seem a little annoyed that someone would want to force the issue of bringing wheels into the wilderness.

What is missed is that I am not advocating for wheelchair accessible pathways in the wilderness areas. However, it IS my position that a physically limited person should not be fined for trying to use an assistive device to get as far away from the car as is possible, given the terrain as it exists in nature. . . .just because it has wheels.


A forum member wrote this to me in a private message.

"At the end of the day we need to be respectful (of each other) because we are collectively in this game together. As photographers we need to unite on the craft and art."

and I agree with him.

Cheers

Luis-F-S
4-Apr-2017, 15:00
Thanks! Nice option. Surely the large inflatable wheels would get you over most reasonable terrain with a ULF camera in that sizable platform. And the price seems very reasonable.

http://www.discountramps.com/game-cart/p/GAME-CART/?CID=PSC-PLA-Google-GAME-CART-hunting-products&st-t=google-hunting-products&vt-pti=297146636324&vt-k=&vt-m=&CAWELAID=820562990000013350&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=23066241262&CATCI=pla-297146636324&gclid=CMzeiJH4hNMCFYe2wAod2zQK1w


Ordered one of these. Will see how I like it when it gets here! L

Carl J
4-Apr-2017, 15:12
http://www.discountramps.com/game-ca...FYe2wAod2zQK1w

Ordered one of these. Will see how I like it when it gets here! L

Link didn't work....(unless you're pulling our legs). ;)

Fred L
4-Apr-2017, 16:31
try this

http://www.discountramps.com/game-cart/p/GAME-CART/?CID=PSC-PLA-Google-GAME-CART-hunting-products&st-t=google-hunting-products&vt-pti=297146636324&vt-k=&vt-m=&CAWELAID=820562990000013350&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=23066241262&CATCI=pla-297146636324&gclid=CMzeiJH4hNMCFYe2wAod2zQK1w

Carl J
5-Apr-2017, 22:46
try this

http://www.discountramps.com/game-cart/p/GAME-CART/?CID=PSC-PLA-Google-GAME-CART-hunting-products&st-t=google-hunting-products&vt-pti=297146636324&vt-k=&vt-m=&CAWELAID=820562990000013350&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=23066241262&CATCI=pla-297146636324&gclid=CMzeiJH4hNMCFYe2wAod2zQK1w

Thanks, that works. Luis-F-S, can you post a photo once have it loaded up with the Deardorff?

Leszek Vogt
5-Apr-2017, 23:51
Luis, that looks like a great idea on two fronts. It's inexpensive and it will give some space between you and the bear....you can bump him/her in abdomen...while he/ is trying to maul yer 'dorff. Also, you can roll your mule when the beast gets tired....or just uber stubborn. :>)

Les

Luis-F-S
6-Apr-2017, 05:28
Don't plan to photograph near bears! Just want to try to save my back! Used one like MK uses this weekend worked fine.

Michael Kadillak
6-Apr-2017, 17:13
Don't plan to photograph near bears! Just want to try to save my back! Used one like MK uses this weekend worked fine.

Amen brother. If the photograph is that far from the truck/car or the pathway to the prime tripod destination is a bit on the rough side the image is either best suited for a smaller format or is not really worthy of the effort necessary to put it on a print in a frame. Amazing how the cost of ULF sheet film induces the go/no go decision in this regard.

Drew Bedo
7-Apr-2017, 05:58
It has been said that Edward Weston told Ansel Adams something like . .

."Anything more than 100 yards away from the car just is not that interesting.". ]

Maybe it was a mile.

Luis-F-S
7-Apr-2017, 08:14
I like 100 yards better.

Carl J
1-Jul-2017, 21:35
Luis, how's the game cart working out (even 100 yards get old when you're making multiple trips back to the car)?

Carl

Luis-F-S
2-Jul-2017, 07:41
I returned the game cart, it was way too heavy for me to use. It was overkill and was made for carrying several hundred pounds of "game" and I planed to carry at most 70 lbs of gear. I ended up with a Welcom Magnacart Elite 2, similar to what Mike Kadillak suggested, and plenty good for my use (200# capacity!). With the camera and film holders on cart, and the Ries over my shoulder, I can walk for days or 100 yards; whichever comes first! L

Carl J
3-Jul-2017, 00:36
Hi Luis,

Hmmm. Good to know the game cart wasn't quite the solution, after all. Seems like I'll try the Welcom (or similar). I'd like to put the Ries on the cart, if possible.

Was also considering this one (Wesco 220649 Steel Maxi Mover) with 19x12" base:
https://www.amazon.com/Wesco-220649-Lightweight-Folding-Capacity/dp/B000KL1A8A

Thanks!

(Would be great to see a shot with it loaded up.)

archphotofisher
3-Jul-2017, 14:43
there is always Donkey and Burro's plus they make great companions out in the lonely wilderness with only a camera.166812166813

Luis-F-S
3-Jul-2017, 15:21
there is always Donkey and Burro's plus they make great companions out in the lonely wilderness with only a camera.166812166813

Great! YOU should get a whole herd!

Luis-F-S
3-Jul-2017, 15:23
Hi Luis,
Was also considering this one (Wesco 220649 Steel Maxi Mover) with 19x12" base:
https://www.amazon.com/Wesco-220649-Lightweight-Folding-Capacity/dp/B000KL1A8A

Thanks!
(Would be great to see a shot with it loaded up.)

Pretty much looks like the one I got! L

Vaughn
3-Jul-2017, 15:44
I have heard these kind of stories before . . .Is this not in conflict with the Americans With Disabilities Act?...

Due to the act, wheelchairs are allowed in the wilderness. They have to be the same type/size wheelchairs found in homes -- no powered tank-tread wheelchairs allowed. They can not tow another wheeled device behind them.

originalphoto
9-Aug-2017, 08:09
Hi Tav,

where you got you inflatable wheels for your cart? I ordered one you recommended.

thanks

David