film larger than5x7

[steve simmons]

There were suggestions/requests at the recent conference that I act as meeting point for people looking for sheet film larger than 5x7.

Ilford and Kodak seem to have an interest in this product but need some indiction as to the demands of the marketplace

If you want film larger than 5x7 let me know which film and what sizes. Speak up or forever hold your peace.

steve simmons

[Sal Santamaura]

320TXP in 11x14.

[Sal Santamaura]

Steve, I replied assuming the question meant "beyond what's already available as a stock item." If those manufacturers are considering dropping some of what's currently out there in 8x10, please let them know I still want 8x10 320TXP, 400TMY and HP5+, as well as 11x14 HP5+.

Thanks!

[David A. Goldfarb]

I have an interest in TXP in 8x10" and 11x14".

[MIke Sherck]

I shoot 4x5, 5x7, and 8x10. Tri-x and 100TMX in all three sizes covers my needs from these manufacturers.

[Miguel Curbelo]

Just about anything in 12x15"!

[Michael Jones]

Tri X stocked in 8x10 and available via special order is any size.

Mike

[Ben Calwell]

Tri-X 8x10, please (and hoping they don't stop making 5x7 Tri-X)

[Oren Grad]

HP5 Plus in the following formats:

6.5x8.5
7x11
8x10
7x17
11x14

[gfen]

I'm happy with Tri-X in 8x10..

[George Stewart]

8x10 TMX, TMY, TMP as well as 100 ISO chrome (still working on my last box of 8x10 Velvia-50)

[Richard Moon]

FP4,T-MAX400 in 8x10,12x20

[Struan Gray]

12x15 for me too. E. European classic films and various graphics arts films are available in this or the 30x40cm size, but nothing with tabular grain. I would love to be able to get TMX in this size. I would also love to get Portra 160NC were it available.

I agree with Dan that Ilford should be careful not to dump on the resellers of odd formats and small lots.

[Mark Sawyer]

I prefer FP4 and HP5 in 8x10, and second Dan Smith's call for Ilford to supply PhotoWarehouse with stock for odd-sized film.

Also, could you ask if they'll keep making 8x10 developer? I know I could substitute 4x5 developer, but I read somewhere it takes four times as much...

[Michael Kadillak]

I have been struggling with Kodak internally with some contacts I have to get them to just communicate with me on this subject, so God bless you if you can get their attention. I hope it is not lip service.

Considering the strategic objective of putting the best financial hand forward in this possible transaction to "pull it off", I feel that the best way to proceed is to do the Ilford/Photo Warehouse gig and let a secondary entity cut the film to size from bulk (ie. master rolls).

There are at least three rational reasons for this recommendation. When you divide the sheet film sizes to Kodak beyond 8x10 even if you were able to agree on a common desired film to keep it simple and get started, you will inherently have a vast range of desired sizes that individually will just be a nuisance to the Big Yellow. Secondly, someone is going to have to be willing and capable of collecting funds and filling orders. With Kodak in the midst of another 15% staff cut here in Colorado and probably across the board, it is unlikely that they will be willing ready or able to allocate staff to take this project on. Lastly, it is my experience that the easier and simplier you promote the transaction to a large corporation, the better chance you have of completing it. The naysayers internally are not able to poke as many holes in it. Make it a one check one deal transaction and it just may work. I would be curious from Photo Warehouse how easy it is to ship a master roll of film and if Ilford does anything different (size and weight of bulk film) than Kodak does.

I believe that John at J&C could be another participant as he could also facilitiate a similar Photo Warehouse function and would also front the capital. Costs and logistics would need to be worked out with the least number of people involved.

Since Tri X is already available, I vote for T Max 400 and I would look for 11x14, 8x20 and 12x20 sizes.

Cheers!

[Philippe Gauthier]

HP5+ in 8x10, at the very least.

[Linas Kudzma]

FP4 and TMax400 in 8x20 and 11x14. I'm also assuming that 8x10 will not go away in either film.

[Jorge Gasteazoro]

I would Kill for Tmax 400 in 12x20.......

[Mark_3632]

This isn't bigger than 5x7 but I would really like to see Delta 100 in 5x7.

[John Z.]

I second the vote for TMY 400 in larger sizes, 11x14 in particular, and also 5x7. Thanks,

John Zdral

[sanking]

I echo the need for TMAX-400. For ULF use there is no better film, IMO. It has wide expansioni and contraction potential, low reciprocity failure, and the high EFS is very desirable with ULF work. . TXT-320 and HP5+ can be replaced fairly well by JandC 400, and Ilford FP4+ by Efke PL100, but there is nothing that matches TMAX-400.

[Brian Vuillemenot]

For us color photographers, RVP and E100VS in 8X10.

[Eric Leppanen]

For 8x10 I shoot primarily E100VS chrome, plus TMax-100 and HP5+ and occasionally Portra 160VC.

[Michael Mutmansky]

Steve,

My congratulations to you on another very successful VC Conference. I am proud to say that I was a part of this one, and I hope my contribution could be considered part of what made the coference a success to everyone I have talked to so far.

For the people who were not at the conference, the discussions about continuing to sell master rolls did occur. I made a strong statement about this in the public film forum, and the representatives from Ilford, Kodak and Fuji were all there to hear it.

My argument was supported by all the people like me who shoot something other than an 8x10 or 11x14, as it is irrelevant to me if they make a few large sizes available if they dont make MY size available. This is the value of a cutter like Photowarehouse. I argued that there are at least 100 years of legacy camera formats out there that are using a service like Photowarehouse to get their film, as they are no longer available from the manufacturers. Exactly how many of them are cutting 1/2 plate, or cirkut rolls, for example.

I think that the time is now for us to step up to the plate and make ourselves heard, or our film options may considerably diminish in the near future.

I use 7x17 and 10x12. While I suspect that 7x17 will continue to be available, I don't have any delusions that 10x12 will ever be available, as it has only been available in ortho film for the past few decades or so. All the promises that Ilford or Kodak can make about sizes are irrelevant to me as there will never be enough 10x12 shooters to warrant them making that size. There are numerous other formats like that out there that depend on Photowarehouse to get film.

There was a strong voice at the conference also about TMY in larger formats. I discussed the issue with the Kodak rep privately after the forum, and he said he would be looking into it.

---Michael Mutmansky

[Robert Skeoch]

Thanks Steve for putting on the conference.
I use Tmax 400 in 8x10, but plan to buy a new 5x7 and 7x17 this year.
Would consider shifting to HP5 or Tri-x as long as it was available in all three sizes.
-Rob Skeoch

[Steve Nieslony]

I second or third the call to keep Photo Warehouse loaded with master rolls of FP4 and HP5. I shoot lots of odd sizes, 6.5x8.5, 5x12, 4x10, 7x11, 7x17 etc... and have alsways found it easy to deal with them. I can order just what I need and can handle and not be encumbered with several hundred sheets to fulfill a minimum order. It would appear to me that having a supplier like PW in place as a niche market supplier (and all of us shooting 7x11, 5x12, etc... are a niche) then trying to have the mother company support all the wildly varying needs.

Cheers!
Steve

[David Flockhart]

T Max 400 in 8x10, 11x14, 8x20 and 16x20. Thanks.

[Oren Grad]

I'd like to add my support to the idea that if Ilford or Kodak can't cut short runs economically within their own facilities, they should sell large rolls to outside service providers who can.

I understand that they don't want to undercut their own packaged product in standard sizes. The solution is to sell the master rolls at a price that would make that impossible. I'm willing to pay full price, even a bit of a premium, to get Ilford or Kodak product in the odd sizes I want.

If they want to assure quality control over product identified as Ilford/Kodak, by all means let them contract with a designated service provider who will meet their standards, and let us know who it is.

[Jim_3565]

The main reason I have not gotten a camera larger than 8 x 10 is the fact that there would be no TMY available for it. If they ever stop making it in 8 x 10 I really don't know what film I'll use. If they start making it in a larger size, I'll get an ULF camera in that size. If I had my druthers, make it either 7 x 17 or 8 x 20.

[Jim_3565]

Brian (and any other LF color guys out there):

Have you tried Kodak EPY (Ektachrome 64T)? It's still avaiable in 8 x 10. I like it far more than 100VS or for that matter any of the daylight films.

[David Luttmann]

HP5 in 8x10
But what I really want is Ilford Pan F 50 in 4x5 & 8x10.

[Jason Greenberg Motamedi]

I would also support the long rolls to those who will custom cut.

Other than that, TMax 400 in 11x14.

[tim atherton]

HP5+ ; FP4+; Tri-X in 8x10

Fuji Astia in 8x10

NPS and Portra 160NC in 8x10

[Steve Clark]

Plus-X in 4x5 and 5X7. Hp-5 in 8X20.

[Phong]

8x10 and 11x14:

B&W: Tri-X, TMY, TMX, HP5+, FP4+

E6: Astia, Provia 400

C-41: NPS, NPH and Portra

- Phong

[Christopher Perez]

Minimally, Ilford HP5+ for...
8x10
10x12 (I can wish, can't I?)
11x14
7x17

I would be happy if Kodak made Tri-X available in these formats. If Fuji made Neopan in these sizes, I'd go crazy happy. But Ilford can't go away. Period. Otherwise, its hoping against poor hope that the Central European countries continue to make film in these larger formats.

[James Nasuta]

Color negative: Portra NC & VC, NPS in 8x10.
Color positive: E100VS, Velvia 100, Astia 100 also in 8x10.

[Patricia Langer]

I use Tri-X and Ilford HP5 in 8x10

[Joe Smigiel]

HP5+ in 11x14 and 8x20.

My favorite alltime film however is TMAX 400 which I would love to see in the 11x14 and 8x20 formats.

THAT IS AS LONG AS KODAK DOESN'T SWITCH TO THE UV BLOCKING BASE WITH TMAX 400 which has made TMAX 100 essentially useless for anyone doing alternative process printing with UV exposure sources even though it is available in 11x14.

Thanks for taking this up with them Steve.

[Gary Samson]

My first choice would be Kodak T MAX 400 in 12x20; my second choice would be Kodak Tri-X 320.

[Paul Fitzgerald]

Hi there,

Plus-X and TMY in 5x7, 8x10, 11x14 would be nice. All other sizes welcome.

Thanks for asking.

[Richard Wasserman]

Add me to the list for 8x10 TMax 400.

[Michael Kadillak]

T Max 400 is a stock item in 8x10. Go for it!

[RichSBV]

Only 8x10 for now:

FP4 and HP5

But I'd dump them in a second for the old Tri-X and Plus-X!!!

[John Z.]

Any chance we can get Kodak to make some more of the old SuperXX film while we are in discussion with them? I would love to try it.

John Z.

[Frank Bagbey]

Maybe Kodak will listen to somebody! Personally, as long as 5x7 and 8x10 TriX is available I will be happy. 5x7 Plus X should still be around, not down the dump.

8x10 Velvia is the ultimate! Long live Velvia.

Thanks, for the research and help, and thanks for View Camera.

[John Berry ( Roadkill )]

For me fp-4 in 8x10. Don't get me started on Kodak and supper-XX.

[Marco Frigerio]

Fuji Astia 8x10"

Fuji Velvia (100? since the 50 is soon to be discontinued...) 8x10"

[Bruce Wehman]

TMX and TMY - 8x10. Thanks for doing this.

[Diane Maher]

Thanks to Michael Mutmansky for making his voice heard for the non-standard size shooters and to Steve for his efforts on behalf of the LF community. I will be joining the ranks of the few 5x12 shooters in the near future and appreciate your efforts. I hope that Ilford will reconsider and continue to supply Photowarehouse with master rolls. I ordered a couple of boxes of FP4+ in the 5x12 size from them yesterday. I currently shoot 4x5 and 8x10.

FP4+ & Tri-X 320: in 8x10 and 5x12.

It would be interesting to shoot Fuji Provia in 5x12. I shoot it in 8x10 and am happy with my results.

As for the impossible: It would be nice to have Kodak HIE & EIR available in 8x10. I know, that's stretching it quite a bit.

[phil sweeney]

FP4 size 8 x 10, 7 x 17, & 8 x 20. Definitely like the prices buying from photowarehouse!!!

[David A. Goldfarb]

Is Polaroid part of this conversation? If it is, I'm also interested in the continued production of 8x10" Polaroid materials, and there has been a contingent here for a while that would like to see Type 55 in 8x10".

[David Schaller]

hp5 and fp4 in 8x10!
Also Fuji Acros in 4x5 and 8x10 would be great.
Dave

[Michael Mutmansky]

Diane,

I'm not the only one who was there speaking out, but I think I used the strongest language, simply because I feel that the film producers really need to actually listen to us, or else their sales to LF and ULF photographers will dry up completely as we are forced to find other sources for our film. We will also take our 'normal' format purchases elsewhere at the same time.

If I have to find another film for my 10x12, I'm going to switch my 7x17 and the 4x5 over also, so my current supplier will lose my 'normal' film purchases as well. If Ilford no longer offers master rolls for sale, I will not purchase any more Ilford film products. I switched to Ilford about 5 years ago from Kodak when I could not get 12x20 TXP from Kodak. After a year of waiting, I gave up on Kodak and went to Ilford. Since then I have not purchased a box of Kodak film.

I don't do this because of spite, I do this to be practical about knowing and using a single film emulsion.

If Kodak and Ilford don't want our business, then we will be forced to take it elsewhere, but they had better be prepared for the inevitable continuation in the erosion of film sales as their previously loyal customers leave them for a more willing vendor.

---Michael

[Michael Kadillak]

With my contacts I have found someone internally at Kodak that I just had a lengthy conversation with that is willling to investigate the interest and run the master roll scenario up the flag pole with the correct personal at Kodak using Photowarehouse and J&C as potential counterparties. Anyone else set up to purchase, receive and cut master rolls that should be included in this part of the investigative process?

Will keep you apprised of the status as it progresses. As I suspected, the manager I was speaking to indicated that he felt (as I suspected) that Kodak is not interested in the logistics of attempting to cut numerous film sizes "to order". But the Master Roll concept could have potential if the issues of getting it to the buyers location could be worked through. To assume that because Ilford does it Kodak can do it is not necessarily the case. We shall see shortly.

Cheers!

[David F. Stein]

The large format manufacturers and dealers should be strong advocates for the large format community. (2) There is no reason Ilford or Kodak couldn't do it but it is clear that the best solution going forward is for Ilford and Kodak to supply repackaging partners (like Photo Warehouse) with stock rolls. Tri-X, Plus-X, TMax 100, TMax 400, FP4 and HP5 would do it. Delta 100, so much the better. Ilford and Kodak would be saved much in the way of packaging and marketing costs, the considerable expense of keeping certain SKUs "in catalog" and so on. I hope this can be worked out and, again, let's hear from the major large format pjhoto dealers. Thanks.

[Carl Weese]

5x7, 8x10, 7x17, and 12x20 HP5-Plus are my mainstays. TMY or Tri-X would work too. I have not been happy with some of the other film options coming out of Europe. I've encountered unacceptable batch to batch variation and the materials are much less physically robust than Ilford and Kodak products, a major problem for development of large film sheets. The idea of keeping long rolls available for a *reliable* recutter is sound if one can be found.

[Daniel Blakeslee]

I would like to see TMY in 7x17.

[Jan Pietrzak]

Film, Film

How much are you willing to pay, most of the talk I need this or I need that. Well Freestyle has been trying to get a big film order of TriX in at Kodak. I said OK, all I keep hearing is to much money. Big film is not going to be cheap....also Kodak has minimum order amounts we/you need to meet those minimums...

11x14 10 sheet 90.00
8x20 10 sheet 94.00
12x20 25 sheet 348.00
7z17 10 sheet 75.00

Please check with John Richardson at Freestyle as to order times and dates. CASH up FRONT
If you want TriX now is the time to get it. 323-660-3460

If you want to talk to me about the order contact me at Freestyle Advisory board member
Jan Pietrzak

ps I plan on getting 500 sheets of 11x14 if not more

[Joel Brown]

8x10 Arista 400, keep it coming and keep it cheap. I think you talk with Ilford regarding Arista films.

[Lukas Werth]

8x10 is my interest, Ilford HP5, Kodak, Arista.

[Jim Ewins]

I'd like 8x10 in 320TriX, Ilford 125 & 400 and wouldn't it be lovely to get techpan??

[Rob Vinnedge]

Ilford is my preference for 8x10, 11x14, 14x17, and 16x20. I'm hoping that they will consider keeping FP4 and HP5 in those sizes, if only on a special order basis. I would be willing to join anyone or any group in placing a large order if necessary. I have at least ten friends who would be willing to do the same.
I appreciate J&C and Freestyle for what they offer and will continue to do business with them, but I would really like to see Ilford maintain their commitment to the relatively small but ardent fine art population.