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Jim Rhoades
23-May-2005, 08:43
I now have a Horseman 45 HD. I have mounted a 150 G- Claron and a 203 Ektar. Both lenses fit inside the camera when folded. I am looking for a faster 150mm that will also fit. I would like it to mount in a Copal #o on a flat board. Big coverage is not needed. Would a f/5.6 Caltar/Rodenstock work? Or how about a newer 150 Xenar?

Sam Crater
23-May-2005, 08:58
Based on the VHR which I think has identical dimensions on the front end: none of the modern multicoated 150mm plasmats will fit. The 150 xenar will fit. I would suggest a Sironar-N 135mm which fits easily and is a very fine lens.



You can also get a Sironar-N 150mm to fit by grinding a larger opening between the rails. This will prevent you from mounting infinity stops for 120-135mm or so lenses.

Ted Harris
23-May-2005, 15:17
I can tell you from experience that precious little else will fit without some modifications to the camera. I recall that others ahve had luck with the Apo Sironar-N 135mm but I know the 135 S will not fit.

Jim Rhoades
23-May-2005, 15:44
Thanks for the fast answers. How about the Calter II compact f/6.3 150mm?

Sam Crater
23-May-2005, 15:50
The Caltar II 150mm f6.3 (Rodenstock Geronar) should fit too.

Steve Clark
23-May-2005, 17:47
Hi Jim, The lenses that I use for traveling light, which means folding inside a Horseman FA are a 90mm Angulon, a 135mm Apo-Sironar-N, and a 180mm Fujinon "A" series. The Fuji required a very minor modification to the bed. The infinity stops for the 135mm have to folded up when folding the 180mm inside the camera.

ADG
24-May-2005, 01:22
Hi,
I realise this doesn't answer your question but I have an FA and was advised by Robert White to ignore the few lenses that fit inside and put up with the minor hassle of attaching the appropriate lens when setting up. I think they were dead right as the chance of the composition you want suiting the fitted lens is less than 100% and the 'standard' lens I chose (150 APO Symmar) has significantly more image circle than the 135 Sironar I was considering. Hope this helps.

Toyo
6-Jun-2016, 16:29
Reviving this old thread.
Will the Tokyo Kogaku Horseman 105mm f/3.5 fit the 45HD and give an image circle large enough for 4X5?
Or is it only suitable for the 6X9 Horsemans
Thanks
T

koh303
6-Jun-2016, 16:54
Reviving this old thread.
Will the Tokyo Kogaku Horseman 105mm f/3.5 fit the 45HD and give an image circle large enough for 4X5?
Or is it only suitable for the 6X9 Horsemans
Thanks
T

fit - yes.
cover 4X5 no.

Wow, there is copious amounts of erroneous info in this thread going back more then 10 years...

Toyo
6-Jun-2016, 17:02
fit - yes.
cover 4X5 no.

Wow, there is copious amounts of erroneous info in this thread going back more then 10 years...

Thank you Koh.
Is there a reference for Tokyo Kogaku / Topcon LF lenses somewhere that might point to the coverage of their lens line?
I am interested in several including - among others - the Topcor PT 5.6/180
Regards
T

koh303
6-Jun-2016, 17:42
Some have the image circle written on them, if not, google knows which and what.

ic-racer
6-Jun-2016, 19:03
There was a Horseman VHR PDF Instruction Manual available on the internet that had a technical reference to all the 6x9 lenses in it. Maybe it is on the Butkus site. There is a Horseman product manual on the cameraeccentric site that has technical info on all the Topcor Large Format lenses also.

Toyo
6-Jun-2016, 19:32
Thank you Koh and ic-racer
I'll check those.
Regards
T

Tin Can
6-Jun-2016, 23:25
Horseman lens came as 'Pro' and 'Super'. I lost my catalog but I believe Super was meant 4x5 coverage and Pro 6X9.

The 6x9 and 4x5 field use the same tiny lens board. 80mm sq if my mem works.

Don't ever consider the 4x5 extension back for 6x9. I know by ownership. :) Curiosities!

Toyo
7-Jun-2016, 00:45
Horseman lens came as 'Pro' and 'Super'. I lost my catalog but I believe Super was meant 4x5 coverage and Pro 6X9.

The 6x9 and 4x5 field use the same tiny lens board. 80mm sq if my mem works.

Don't ever consider the 4x5 extension back for 6x9. I know by ownership. :) Curiosities!

Thanks Randy.
Did you have any experience with the Horseman rotating back for 6X9 fitted to the 45HD, by chance
T

Huub
7-Jun-2016, 04:00
And this is a reference to image circles of the Topcon LF-lenses: http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?50161-LF-Topcor-90-5-6-236-image-circle

Tin Can
7-Jun-2016, 05:01
Never heard of it. Never noticed it in the catalog either.

I use a VHR for 6x9.


Thanks Randy.
Did you have any experience with the Horseman rotating back for 6X9 fitted to the 45HD, by chance
T

Toyo
7-Jun-2016, 05:12
Many thanks Huub
T



And this is a reference to image circles of the Topcon LF-lenses: http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?50161-LF-Topcor-90-5-6-236-image-circle

Toyo
7-Jun-2016, 05:15
OK
Thanks
T



Never heard of it. Never noticed it in the catalog either.

I use a VHR for 6x9.

Oren Grad
7-Jun-2016, 06:55
Did you have any experience with the Horseman rotating back for 6X9 fitted to the 45HD, by chance

I've not owned one, but they look pretty unwieldy - better suited to studio rather than field use. There's a picture and a brief description on Brian Wallen's Horseman technical camera site:

http://www.bnphoto.org/bnphoto/LFN/CamProf_Accessories.htm

Tin Can
7-Jun-2016, 07:05
Ok, that thing! Now I know it.

I use the other version that fits 6X9 VHR and usually use it with the further complication of Horseman Fujiroid adapter.

Makes for a really heavy piece and is only usable by me on a strong tripod.

I figure I don't need the same thing in 4X5.

For a while I gathered all the Horseman I could find. :)



I've not owned one, but they look pretty unwieldy - better suited to studio rather than field use. There's a picture and a brief description on Brian Wallen's Horseman technical camera site:

http://www.bnphoto.org/bnphoto/LFN/CamProf_Accessories.htm