lens that will fit inside closed horseman 45hd

[georgekushstanza]

am considering a Rodenstock 135mm Sironar-N but was wondering if anybody had any suggestions for a 150mm that would fit inside of horseman 45hd when it is closed

thanks
-george

[Tin Can]

I have a Calter IIE 150 mm f6.3 inside mine right now.

I forget who actually made this lens.

Without lens cap as that does not fit.

[Tin Can]

Read this about Calter IIE.

http://photo.net/large-format-photography-forum/00GDrj

[georgekushstanza]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Calumet-Caltar-S-II-MC-lens-150mm-f-5-6-Copal-No-0-/122036832228?hash=item1c69f647e4

so this would fit?

edit: i am not opposed to the idea of the Rodenstock 135mm Sironar-N but would like to make sure there isn't too much distortion

[Tin Can]

I do not believe that lens will fit.

I think we cannot post links to live eBay actions.

Your post may be deleted.

[Ken Lee]

Consider the cable release too. If the lens won't fit with a cable release attached, it may not save you any time.

It can take longer to attach a cable release than to attach a lens whose cable release is already attached.

[Tin Can]

Good point Ken. I have difficulty attaching a cable release after the lens is mounted on some cameras.

Although the Horseman special lens board with the very rare Horseman custom cable is very easy for me.

But it took 2 years to find one...

[georgekushstanza]

sorry about the link.

i am not that concerned with time only convenience of having a lens that will fit inside so I do not have to carry it separate. the shooting i will be doing will be spur of the moment and i will need to mount the camera on a tripod anyways and do the setting up process but thank you for raising the issue of the cable release as that is not something i had considered yet.

[Jac@stafford.net]

Consider the cable release too. If the lens won't fit with a cable release attached, it may not save you any time. [...]

Would this Gepe part work (http://rcdn-1.fishpond.com.au/0035/094/949/50987903/6.jpeg)? It is a flexible cable. Gepe also has rigid angle adapters. Hasselblad also makes more compact ~45° adapter. I use the later attached to the lens, and put on the cable release after unfolding the camera. (The angle part swings away flat to the board.)

As a last resort, if the shutter has a V setting (self timer), you can trip the shutter without a cable release. It's something I've used when I lost the release in the field.

[Armin Seeholzer]

The G-Glaron f9 150mm worked also on my Horseman inside and out! It is also good for macro, but you need much light to see something at 1:2!

Cheers Armin

[Sal Santamaura]

Consider the cable release too. If the lens won't fit with a cable release attached, it may not save you any time...My 135mm Apo Sironar N fits inside my Horseman FA with this cable release


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/37073-REG/Nikon_664_AR_3_Mechanical_Cable_Release.html

attached. I like it better than most others I've tried, including the Ebony cable release. I've got AR-3s on all my large format lenses.

[StoneNYC]

How about this?

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160716/fa095c66f69657fa4be8ef73d366e0c9.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160716/4cdb5b0e5f6661e7cf1db54de340a584.jpg

It's about 127mm I think?

I compared it to a 150 Symmar-S using TMY-2 film, and it really wasn't much less sharp at f/22

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160716/88cbe43069a2a7793990174d26f05b04.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160716/3c86fabc3f701c41c95820557f4b0966.jpg

I don't use it anymore, it's of course over 100 years old but works fine, not much room for movements at infinity but it's tiny.

[Toyo]

I have a Fujinon W 5.6/150 in my Horseman 45HD at the present moment.
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Cheers
T

[EdSawyer]

The biggest lens I fit inside a folding camera is a xenotar 150 inside a pacemaker speed graphic.

[georgekushstanza]

I have a Fujinon W 5.6/150 in my Horseman 45HD at the present moment.
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Cheers
T

what cable release do you use/ does it also fit?

[Toyo]

what cable release do you use/ does it also fit?

A standard screw-in cable release. It will wrap around the lens, but I carry it in my bag.
Cheers
T

[FredrickSummers]

Rodenstock Sinoar-N 135mm f5.6 on Horseman 45HD. Wonderful and light combo (putting mine up for sale now, figured I'd post some pictures here to show you what it looks like).
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More pictures here: http://www.summersmountainphoto.com/PrivateCatalog/Stuff-for-Sale/Horseman-45HD/n-vP5rsH

[chris_4622]

I have one of these mounted in a copal shutter. If the copal 0 shutter will fit in the camera closed then this lens will fit as it is so small it hardly protrudes beyond the shutter.

http://www.reallybigcameras.com/Docter_Optics/150mm_Germinar_W.html

[Tin Can]

Envy!

And a sad story. :(


I have one of these mounted in a copal shutter. If the copal 0 shutter will fit in the camera closed then this lens will fit as it is so small it hardly protrudes beyond the shutter.

http://www.reallybigcameras.com/Docter_Optics/150mm_Germinar_W.html

[georgekushstanza]

@toyo

your camera closes with the fujinon 150?

edit:

i am confused as to why mine does not fit:
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in addition to that it will not even slide back into the camera with the release cable and i also fear that this contact between the cable and camera could potentially let light in:

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[georgekushstanza]

sorry for the double post. didn't think this warrants a new thread.

so i'm over the camera not closing.. not that big of a deal. am still curious why mine does not fit though. anyways, i really only plan on shooting with a shutter speed for 60 and higher and so do I really need a cable release? and if so does anybody know of an adapter that would allow me to use the one I already have?

[Toyo]

Looks like you will have to remove your cable release to close the camera..
You could try re-orienting the lens on the lens board so that the cable release screwed in at 9o'clock rather than the 11 o'clock position and see if that helps.
Cheers
T

[georgekushstanza]

even with the cable release removed this is as far as it will close:
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also the lensboard will not even attach onto the camera unless it is situated at the top. again this is making me wonder if there is an adapter that would allow me to use a cable release, if a different cable release would work better, or if i even really need a cable release to begin with.

[Toyo]

even with the cable release removed this is as far as it will close:
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also the lensboard will not even attach onto the camera unless it is situated at the top. again this is making me wonder if there is an adapter that would allow me to use a cable release, if a different cable release would work better, or if i even really need a cable release to begin with.

Well, I am out of ideas - sorry I can't think of anything else.
I know that mine won't close if I have a filter screwed on the front of the lens.
Perhaps we have different Fujinons and they are dimensioned differently
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[Toyo]

I've just had another thought.
I have the Fujinon W 5.6/150.
I think that perhaps you have the Fujinon NW 5.6/150.
If this is the case then your front elements are bigger than mine and you have a larger filter ring as a result.
You may have a 55mm or 52mm filter thread whereas mine is 40.5mm
This could be the problem as the wider lens will foul the front bed as it closes.
T

[FredrickSummers]

You can loosen the lens from the board then rotate it just a bit counter clockwise then it will fit. My 210 on my HD has to be in a specific position too in order to get the cable on. The downside of having the tiny lens board.

That lens looks rather big to fit in the HD folded. My Fuji CMW won't fit either. You can try turning the lens around with the front element to the ground glass as that will buy you a little more space.

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[Tin Can]

You can also just buy the recomended Horseman lenses that do fit...

[georgekushstanza]

and what would those be? i made this thread with the intention of finding the "recommended lenses"

[Tin Can]

and what would those be? i made this thread with the intention of finding the "recommended lenses"

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?13595-Horseman-45-HD-what-will-fit&p=110652&viewfull=1#post110652

[georgekushstanza]

i'll put it this way: i am in no position to buy another lens. as i said before the lens fitting isn't a huge deal to me and really just have to work around it if possible. that being said is a cable release really necessary if exposures will be taken at shutter speeds above 1/60? and again if so which adapter would be small enough to fit. i do not have the tools necessary to rotate the lens on the board.

[Tin Can]

i'll put it this way: i am in no position to buy another lens. as i said before the lens fitting isn't a huge deal to me and really just have to work around it if possible. that being said is a cable release really necessary if exposures will be taken at shutter speeds above 1/60? and again if so which adapter would be small enough to fit. i do not have the tools necessary to rotate the lens on the board.

Depends, but most will advise a cable.

Only you can actually prove it to yourself.

Test by taking 2 pictures.

[FredrickSummers]

i'll put it this way: i am in no position to buy another lens. as i said before the lens fitting isn't a huge deal to me and really just have to work around it if possible. that being said is a cable release really necessary if exposures will be taken at shutter speeds above 1/60? and again if so which adapter would be small enough to fit. i do not have the tools necessary to rotate the lens on the board.

As I said you do NOT need an adapter of any kind for that lens. You just need to get the lens oriented properly on the board. That lens is smaller then the 210W I had on mine and it fit just fine without any adapters. Why is your lens turned to such an odd position? Only adapter I used was an l bracket for my 90, but that is because I was lazy and it had a large front element.

You can test and see if you need a shutter. I wouldn't go without it, but I also am normally using much slower shutter speeds then 1/60th. Remember apertures work a little different with formats larger then 35. F16 is just starting for 4x5 where f16 is a very tiny 35mm aperture.


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