foil for Dry mount matting

[Kodak]

Hi

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My question is, I live in the Netherlands and want to dry mount my images.
For this you need foil that will glue when getting hot under the dry mount press.
Can one tell me what foil (manufacturer and type) I need and where it is available in Europe?
This Dry-Mount method seems to be much more common in the US than in Europe.
I do have a Dry Mount Press, Bogen 510 type.

Many thanks in advance.

[Jon Shiu]

Called Seal/Bienfang Dry Mount Tissue

[Gudmundur Ingolfsson]

There used to be a UK manufacturer Ademco and a german Hilsdorf that supplied both the the presses and the foil. I think Seal bought both. Many framers have such foil and in some cases huge presses that are also used for laminating.

[Drew Wiley]

Somebody else owns the Seal label now, but its an international product line anyway.

[JMO]

Here in the US the company that makes the dry mount tissue that used be sold under the Seal or Bienfang brand names is D&K Framing Products, and their available dry mount tissues are described at this website (http://www.forframersonly.com/products.asp?ID=10&C=2). At their website they also make available a PDF document 150946 that describes their various dry mounting products. I have purchased these dry mounting tissues on-line through Adorama (http://www.adorama.com/l/Albums-and-Frames-and-Storage/Cutting-and-Mounting-and-Laminating/Print-Mounting/D-and-K~Mounting-Tissue). ...

[Argentum]

in the UK you can get a range of mounting materials from http://www.hotpress.co.uk/supplies.htm

[Kodak]

Thank you all[emoji846]
I Will check it out, you are a great help.


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[bob carnie]

I use Drytac materials not sure if they are available in your area.

[MartinP]

Hallo Kodak/Hans, if you want to mount something very flat and very soon you could try cold-mounting. For use with large roller-mounting machines adhesive foils are available. Locally, self-adhesive foamboard is available from ProArt (http://pro-art.nl/) in Nijmegen, makes a nice result without smelly sprays and is quick and cheap to test.

For smaller than 50cm prints, on the self-adhesive foamboard, you can use a plastic pipe as a makeshift roller (to control the release-paper and keep the print away from the sticky foil) and mount using that. In 'theory' it might not last a century, but that is not a real problem for my prints as they won't be wanted after I have gone!

My apologies for not exactly answering your question, but it is useful(?) to know there are quick local alternatives.

[Drew Wiley]

Cold mounting is a lot less forgiving than drymounting with a heat press, and really requires its own specialized equipment. The pressure-sensitive adhesives have limited shelf life. But this is how RC papers and high-gloss color work is mounted. Not a do-it-yourself system. It's expensive, a lot can go wrong, and it can't be corrected. Small color prints can be mounted with less risk using 3M Repositionable Mounting Adhesive; but it's too weak for big prints. You also need very flat smooth substrates. Ordinary fomeboard isn't very good. Wet mounting also requires experience. Therefore, for black and white fiber-based prints, drymounting to ragboard is really the most practical and permanent option.

[bob carnie]

What type of print? this will have a big factor on which material you use.

Hi

Not sure if this is the correct sub-forum so if not, administrator please move it to the correct one

My question is, I live in the Netherlands and want to dry mount my images.
For this you need foil that will glue when getting hot under the dry mount press.
Can one tell me what foil (manufacturer and type) I need and where it is available in Europe?
This Dry-Mount method seems to be much more common in the US than in Europe.
I do have a Dry Mount Press, Bogen 510 type.

Many thanks in advance.

[MartinP]

Cold mounting is a lot less forgiving than drymounting with a heat press, and really requires its own specialized equipment. The pressure-sensitive adhesives have limited shelf life. But this is how RC papers and high-gloss color work is mounted. Not a do-it-yourself system. It's expensive, a lot can go wrong, and it can't be corrected. Small color prints can be mounted with less risk using 3M Repositionable Mounting Adhesive; but it's too weak for big prints. You also need very flat smooth substrates. Ordinary fomeboard isn't very good. Wet mounting also requires experience. Therefore, for black and white fiber-based prints, drymounting to ragboard is really the most practical and permanent option.

I certainly agree with the trickiness of manipulating the mount, adhesive film and the print. Decades ago, while working in a lab offering display/advertising mounting services, we had an enormously heavy roller-table device for arranging the three materials, up to 60" wide, and it was always a bit nerve-wracking even then.

As you wisely pointed out some time ago, the spray-mount adhesives are not very healthy and not very strong, so I looked for an alternative and found the adhesive-film pre-coated foamboard. In order to control the adhesion of the print, I rolled the release paper (covering the adhesive film on the mount) around a piece of 20mm plastic pipe for removal. In this way the release-paper could be peeled back an inch at a time, while the height of the pipe kept the prints from randomly sticking to the instant adhesive. Smoothing and adhering of the print was done manually, also an inch at a time, using a cotton pad.

Two years ago I mounted two dozen, borderless, 50cm colour prints in this way, for a tiny-budget exhibition that was hung twice in a marquee(!). The prints have all stayed on the backing but some pictures (on a cheaper order of foamboard) are now a little bowed, presumably from the dampness at night. The 'customer' charity was happy with the results and so was I, but this is not something for a more formal 'museum' sort of exhibition! Anything larger than these prints and there would probably be some wastage - or at least another pair of hands would be needed, plus some sort of back-frame to keep the foamboard straight when hung.

[Kodak]

Thank you all for your advises and tips.
Martin thanks for the tip in the NL.
Your last advise with the tube sounds workable when you mount borderless, but I want to mount my prints not borderless so the dry mount method feels more workable.