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Greg
17-Jan-2016, 17:54
After reading multiple post on the forum about using an IR viewers in the darkroom, purchased an ATN Viper X-1 Night Vision Viewer off Amazon.com.


Overall..............

ATN stands for American Technologies Network. The only thing American about this product is that the text is in English. Nowhere is it even noted from where the product originates.

Text on box "Night Vision Goggles"... is a single one eye vision Goggle, but that's really nitpicking.

Packaging and IB are minimal & cheap.

Headgear is an abomination of multiple velcro straps with a chin cup.. Directions for adjusting it to your head size are simply written but I found to not easy to execute. I ended up adapting the unit to the front of my Edelrid rock climbing helmet. In doing this discovered that 2 mounting screws were cross threaded in the very soft metal. In the end had to use some J-B WELD to make the whole adaption to the helmet solid. Helmet is a lot more comfortable and goggle lot more stable then used with the supplied headgear.

Guarantee card has a line for the serial number - so far haven't been able to find a serial number on the unit.

Eyepiece Diopter focus and front lens focus instructions... better just use your common sense to adjust them... Instructions obviously written for general public.


Performance and comments.............

Eyepiece has to be lot closer your eye than you would initially think.

Unit's IR light has no effect on FP-4.

Angle of view seems very narrow, but from my research having a wider angle of view would have cost me X10 the cost of the Viper. Easy to deal with after using the unit 2 or 3 times.

Depth of field of the front lens akin to a f/1.0 optic. But to be realistic, I'm using it at rather close distances and it just focuses like a lens on a camera.


My opinion of the product........

Absolutely love it. All these past years had to work with panchromatic film in total darkness. Now I actually can see what I am doing!!! Still prefer to load roll film by feel in the dark. After having loaded many thousands of rolls of film onto reels in the dark, has become a no-brainer (like signing my name) while listening to music. But come to loading sheet film into Jobo tubes, hand processing several sheets of film in a tray, or even loading sheets of film into sheet film holders now will always use the IR scope making it all so much feaster and easier. I process my film using a screened mesh basket that holds 6 vertical sheets of film in separate compartments. No matter how careful I was, very often loaded two sheets in the same meshed slot and both sheets of film were ruined. With the IR scope, seems now impossible to do.

Up to last fall and Ilford's offering special large format film offering, I had to cut 8x10 sheet film down to Whole plate size in the dark. Very much of a challenge... 1mm to wide and the film wouldn't fit in the holder, few mm's too short and the film would fall out of the holder. It all was very frustrating.

Would I buy it again... absolutely a totally firm YES. I envision that after a few more months of using it, will opt for a more expensive IR scope with a wider view.

Greg

Bob Mann
17-Jan-2016, 19:14
Mine has a lens cap with a small hole, I use this almost all the time for greater depth of field - have you tried this?

c.d.ewen
17-Jan-2016, 20:14
FYI: keep a spare set of batteries at hand.

Charley

Duolab123
17-Jan-2016, 20:43
I'm not a Viper user but I LOVE THIS STUFF, anyone that doesn't play around with this is missing a lot of fun and an amazing technology that even 10 years ago would have cost Thousands.
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Duolab123
17-Jan-2016, 20:45
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Gord Robinson
22-Jan-2016, 11:18
Yes the instructions are lacking especially about the head gear assembly but overall I agree with you that the end result is worth the effort. I use it for loading film and getting hangers into my sink line set up for B&W and E6. I like the fact that this Viper model has a black and white image rather then the normal green image and makes things seem a little more normal. I haven't found a serial number either. It's definitely a good idea to keep an extra set of batteries close by. I also take it along when we go out camping.

Gord

Duolab123
22-Jan-2016, 17:26
Yes the instructions are lacking especially about the head gear assembly but overall I agree with you that the end result is worth the effort. I use it for loading film and getting hangers into my sink line set up for B&W and E6. I like the fact that this Viper model has a black and white image rather then the normal green image and makes things seem a little more normal. I haven't found a serial number either. It's definitely a good idea to keep an extra set of batteries close by. I also take it along when we go out camping.

Gord

My setup has black and white,and green, blue etc. I always leave it in black and white mode. One time I switched on the room lights and to my surprise with visible light it's a full color LED display, Hilarious. Of course, probably would cost extra for a plain monochrome. I'm still working (part time) but I will be done in less than 3 years (or sooner) I may try finding some parts or disassembling a couple of these darn things and try to make a wide field, stereo IR viewer.

Greg
12-May-2016, 16:14
"I ended up adapting the unit to the front of my Edelrid rock climbing helmet. In doing this discovered that 2 mounting screws were cross threaded in the very soft metal. In the end had to use some J-B WELD to make the whole adaption to the helmet solid. Helmet is a lot more comfortable and goggle lot more stable then used with the supplied headgear."

Photo of rig attached

dpn
12-May-2016, 16:47
Any issues with light leaking out from the eyepiece?

I love my $25 "Eyeclops Night Vision," but I tighten the flimsy strap on my head *super* tightly to get a light seal around the eyepieces. It's painful (I use a 120 reel on the back to wind it down really tightly). And manual focus combined with a really narrow field of view has me thinking about an upgrade.

Duolab123
12-May-2016, 17:44
Any issues with light leaking out from the eyepiece?

I love my $25 "Eyeclops Night Vision," but I tighten the flimsy strap on my head *super* tightly to get a light seal around the eyepieces. It's painful (I use a 120 reel on the back to wind it down really tightly). And manual focus combined with a really narrow field of view has me thinking about an upgrade.

Yikes, pain is part of analog :) Yes these thing have a very narrow field of view. Yes, I use Bungee cords to hold to my head to seal to my face. Yes they fog up in warm weather.

Some Super genius needs to come up with an auxiliary lens that will attach to the front to give wide angle. Even better, two IR cameras and two view screens for depth perception. I just sit down so I don't hurt myself get everything arraigned and go slow. Makes loading sheet film reels a snap, I even use this for loading film holders anymore. I'm a total junkie as when I was a kid something like this was only available to the CIA or NASA types. I want to see more of this stuff.
Mike

MrFujicaman
13-May-2016, 09:39
I'm not a Viper user but I LOVE THIS STUFF, anyone that doesn't play around with this is missing a lot of fun and an amazing technology that even 10 years ago would have cost Thousands.
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I have one of these that I bought at Walmart on an after Christmas clearance for $17. I have a Maglite with an IR filter I bounce off the ceiling and I can see very well with it.

Duolab123
13-May-2016, 16:34
I have one of these that I bought at Walmart on an after Christmas clearance for $17. I have a Maglite with an IR filter I bounce off the ceiling and I can see very well with it.

I bought a little IR flood light that is used for security cameras, same idea I bounce it off a white wall, works great. I'm gonna need to check out Walmart after Xmas. I would like to dissect and improve ��
Mike

jon.oman
14-May-2016, 12:24
I have one of these that I bought at Walmart on an after Christmas clearance for $17. I have a Maglite with an IR filter I bounce off the ceiling and I can see very well with it.

Okay, this is in my price range! I will have to get one, and put up an IR light.....

Duolab123
14-May-2016, 19:33
Okay, this is in my price range! I will have to get one, and put up an IR light.....

I looked on line 17 bucks was a great deal. I think I paid 50 bucks for my first one, and maybe closer to 60 for my emergency backup. I'm using Jakks Pacific, spy net night vision goggles, even at this money they are worth it as long as you don't expect too much. I just developed 2 roll of 120 Ektar, my 59 year old fingers ain't what they used to be. I could read the printing on the backing paper.
The pair I have has 2 built in illuminators you don't need a separate flood light to start. HOWEVER 1 BANK OF LIGHTS ARE RED LEDS YOU NEED TO COVER THESE. I just used 3M electrical tape to make sure I didn't accidentally turn these on. The other set of built in are true IR LEDs, these have never fogged any color or black and white. Obviously don't try this with IR or Extended red film.
These are manually focused and are just like any camera up close the depth of field is shallow. If it's warm and humid, you can get fogging. I wear glasses under the goggles otherwise I can't see.
When you get the old folks fumble fingers or are trying to lad sheet film reels, Holy cow these are a life saver.
Takes some getting used to, but now I use them even for loading 35 mm reels, sometimes I don't even look at the reel but if I have any problems I just take a look to make sure everything is going well.
Best Regards Mike.

jon.oman
15-May-2016, 12:13
I looked on line 17 bucks was a great deal. I think I paid 50 bucks for my first one, and maybe closer to 60 for my emergency backup. I'm using Jakks Pacific, spy net night vision goggles, even at this money they are worth it as long as you don't expect too much. I just developed 2 roll of 120 Ektar, my 59 year old fingers ain't what they used to be. I could read the printing on the backing paper.
The pair I have has 2 built in illuminators you don't need a separate flood light to start. HOWEVER 1 BANK OF LIGHTS ARE RED LEDS YOU NEED TO COVER THESE. I just used 3M electrical tape to make sure I didn't accidentally turn these on. The other set of built in are true IR LEDs, these have never fogged any color or black and white. Obviously don't try this with IR or Extended red film.
These are manually focused and are just like any camera up close the depth of field is shallow. If it's warm and humid, you can get fogging. I wear glasses under the goggles otherwise I can't see.
When you get the old folks fumble fingers or are trying to lad sheet film reels, Holy cow these are a life saver.
Takes some getting used to, but now I use them even for loading 35 mm reels, sometimes I don't even look at the reel but if I have any problems I just take a look to make sure everything is going well.
Best Regards Mike.

Good information. At 65, I know what you mean about 'fumble' fingers!