Linhof Master Technika lens and lensboard combination questions

[Robclarke]

I was wondering if someone could help me work out if there is a lensboard that will allow at least one of my lenses to fold up in the camera.

I have:
Schneider 80mm f/4.5 super-symmar xl - currently mounted on 1015 comfort lensboard
Schneider 150mm f5.6 APO Symmar - currently mounted on 1143 flat lensboard
Schneider 210mm f5.6 APO Symmar - currently mounted on 1026 flat lensboard

I initailly bought Shen Hao flat lens boards but they were very tight to get on the camera so I invested in the Linhof genuine ones. I thought that the 80mm and 150mm lenses would be able to be folded in the camera on these lensboards but none of them can even with lens caps removed. Does anyone know if there is another lens/board combination that will allow at least one of my lenses to fold in the camera.

Thanks.

[Gudmundur Ingolfsson]

If you had a recessed Linhof lensboard for the 150 mm f5,6 Apo Symmar you ought to be able to fold up the camera with the lens attached.

[gary mulder]

Strange my Schneider 80mm f/4.5 super-symmar xl on a comfort lensboard folds in my master and 2000.

[Robclarke]

Strange my Schneider 80mm f/4.5 super-symmar xl on a comfort lensboard folds in my master end 2000.

There is a pair of infinity stops on mine from the previous owner (not sure what lens they are for) I think they are snagging the lens barrel and stopping the camera closing fully.

[Robclarke]

If you had a recessed Linhof lensboard for the 150 mm f5,6 Apo Symmar you ought to be able to fold up the camera with the lens attached.

Oh dear I guess I need to invest in another recessed comfort (1015) lensboard if I want it to close in the camera then!

[Bob Salomon]

Your 80 will fold, but you may have to remove caps.
Your 150 will fold once you remount it on the proper 001015 board.
Your 210 will not fit.

Do you have any type of step up ring on your 80 or 150? If so they might increase the front diameter of the lens so it can not fit into that open circle on the bed of the camera when you try to fold it.

[Robclarke]

Your 80 will fold, but you may have to remove caps.
Your 150 will fold once you remount it on the proper 001015 board.
Your 210 will not fit.

Do you have any type of step up ring on your 80 or 150? If so they might increase the front diameter of the lens so it can not fit into that open circle on the bed of the camera when you try to fold it.

Thanks Bob. I will try again with the 80mm when I am back home. No there are no step up rings on either board and I am sure I tried it without caps. I think I would quite like to be able to fold the 150 into the camera but I need to decide if I can bear the additional cost of the 1015 comfort board.

[Robclarke]

I can't understand why my 80mm won't fold when everyone seems to think that it should :(
I have removed the caps, tried with the infinity stops folded and unfolded it very nearly closes but not quite. It is hard to see what is stopping it becuase the camera is almost closed when it stops.
I don't want to force it as I think I have already put a couple of marks on the end of the lens barrel from trying.

[gary mulder]

Is your camera fitted with the original bellows ?

[Robclarke]

Is your camera fitted with the original bellows ?

I am not sure but I think the standard goes all the way back into the camera body until it stops. I don't think it is being restricted by the bellows.

[gary mulder]

the ss80 is 12 mm back as on the photo.

[Renato Tonelli]

For reference -
With the help of members here I started a list of lenses that fit in a folded Linhof Master Technika:

120mm Schneider Apo-Symmar-L f/5.6 Copal 0
135mm Schneider Apo Symmar f/5.6 Copal 0
135mm Rodenstock Apo-Sironar S f/5.6 Copal 0
150mm Rodenstock Apo-Sironar S?/W? Copal ?
210mm Rodenstock Geronar f/6.8 w/Linhof 001015 Recessed Board
210mm G-Claron f/9 Copal 1
210mm Fujinon-L f/5.6 Copal 1
300mm Rodenstock Apo-Ronar f/9 Copal 1
300mm Nikkor-M f/9 Copal 1

[Robclarke]

the ss80 is 12 mm back as on the photo.

Thanks for your photo Gary, it has made me realise that I could see what is stopping it by opening the top flap and then trying to close it.

[Jac@stafford.net]

For reference -
With the help of members here I started a list of lenses that fit in a folded Linhof Master Technika:

120mm Schneider Apo-Symmar-L f/5.6 Copal 0
135mm Zeiss Planar f/3.5 (in correct recessed board w/o lens cap)
135mm Schneider Apo Symmar f/5.6 Copal 0
135mm Rodenstock Apo-Sironar S f/5.6 Copal 0
150mm Rodenstock Apo-Sironar S?/W? Copal ?
210mm Rodenstock Geronar f/6.8 w/Linhof 001015 Recessed Board
210mm G-Claron f/9 Copal 1
210mm Fujinon-L f/5.6 Copal 1
300mm Rodenstock Apo-Ronar f/9 Copal 1
300mm Nikkor-M f/9 Copal 1

[Robclarke]

I think it is the position of the in finite stops that is causing the problem.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/627/22705808758_aaa8c105c4_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/AArcTm)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/AArcTm) by biotecbob (http://www.flickr.com/people/78297969@N06), on Flickr

I think I will remove them as I don't know what lens they are for (installed by previous owner).

[Michael R]

Slightly off topic perhaps but maybe not - what do people use the 1047 (6mm recessed) and 1035 (21mm recessed) boards for? I've never seen a 1035. Not sure if they are still current products.

[Bob Salomon]

I think it is the position of the in finite stops that is causing the problem.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/627/22705808758_aaa8c105c4_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/AArcTm)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/AArcTm) by biotecbob (http://www.flickr.com/people/78297969@N06), on Flickr

I think I will remove them as I don't know what lens they are for (installed by previous owner).

They are not the problem, those are professionally installed stops and, if you move any if the stops, you will leave small pit marks on the chrome rails where the pointed tips of the locking screws bit in to have a secure grip.

Do you have a cam installed? As pictured above it can't close because the cam holder is improperly positioned and would obstruct closing the bed.

Before you end up with a really expensive repair by tampering why not take the camera to a Linhof dealer or repair center and let them see what exactly is wrong?

And fold the stops down when closing.

[Bob Salomon]

Go to Linhof.de and go to service and then to download and download the 2015 Linhof price list. It lists all current boards and what current lenses they are used with.

[Robclarke]

Thanks bob. I am happy to get it looked at by a linhof dealer if necessary. I bought it from a second hand camera dealer with no cams installed.

[Robclarke]

It does close fine without the lens attached.

[Michael R]

Go to Linhof.de and go to service and then to download and download the 2015 Linhof price list. It lists all current boards and what current lenses they are used with.

Thanks, Bob. I should have thought of that.

Apologies to Robclarke for jumping into the thread.

[Robclarke]

Thanks for everyones input, sorry for my continuing lensboard confusion.

Bob, are you sure there is something wrong with the camera given that it closes fine without a lensboard attached? I am happy to send it for service if required but don't want to do so unnecessarily.

Thanks Bob for direction to the list of lenses and their compatible lensboards, very useful. That says that my 80mm should be on board 001047 (I currently have it on 001015). My 150mm should be on board 001015 (currently on 001143). Therefore I guess I need to put my 150mm on board 001015 that my 80mm is on and get a 001047 for the 80mm? Perhaps that would let me fold at least the 150mm which would be useful as I think this will be my most used lens.

[Bob Salomon]

Thanks for everyones input, sorry for my continuing lensboard confusion.

Bob, are you sure there is something wrong with the camera given that it closes fine without a lensboard attached? I am happy to send it for service if required but don't want to do so unnecessarily.

Thanks Bob for direction to the list of lenses and their compatible lensboards, very useful. That says that my 80mm should be on board 001047 (I currently have it on 001015). My 150mm should be on board 001015 (currently on 001143). Therefore I guess I need to put my 150mm on board 001015 that my 80mm is on and get a 001047 for the 80mm? Perhaps that would let me fold at least the 150mm which would be useful as I think this will be my most used lens.

That should solve your problem. But bear in mind, the Master has been made since the mid 70s so, if yours is old enough, it probably does need a CLA and that red colored stop makes me think that you might just have an older one.

[Robclarke]

That should solve your problem. But bear in mind, the Master has been made since the mid 70s so, if yours is old enough, it probably does need a CLA and that red colored stop makes me think that you might just have an older one.

Thanks Bob. You kindly advised me that mine was made in early 1992 in the serial numbers thread which admittidley is a long time ago. I was planning to send it to have cams installed for my lenses (and cla if necessary) one day but wanted to get some use out of it first to see which lenses to get done.

Presumably the 001047 board will still not allow my 80mm to fold as I think it is less recessed than the one it is on now. I am still confused that others can fold the same lens on the same board. I wonder if there is something in what you say about the cam holder, or possibly there is a cam attached stopping the lens standard sliding all the way back. I will try and investigate further tonight.