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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 12:31
Hello Gents, there ware several treads lately about K.B Canham JMC 810 and Toyo M810, am lucky enough to have all cameras at hand so why not making some visual compactions. Mr Ari Tapiero was kind enough to lent me his Toyo 810M and to make this possible. I have added one more camera to the mix Kodak Master View 8x10 but a lack of one more extra tripod forced me to do this camera separately.

there is tons of references, numbers, and charts for all 3 cameras on a web and i wont try to compare them, my test was real life not based on data but on a user/ owner point of view. this is personal view so please keep this in mind; what is important to me could be irrelevant to someone.

finally about cameras:

- Kodak Master View AKA metal field 8X10, restaurateur with new bellows, improved, friction plates, modified focus rack, converted to Linhof Tehnika boards and Yenke screen

- Toyo 810M, this is second gen camera converted to 810M II front standard turns 180 degrees and there is unlimited (limited by bellows ) swing. Camera has a new custom 950mm long bellows. camra is fitted with Linhof Tehnika boards adapter, custom GG

- K.B Canham JMC 810 custom of the shelf camera only fitted with Linhof Tehnika boards adapter

in theory all cameras are as close as they can be: all metal, folding taking same lens.

so lets start! i will be limited on 3 photos per post and it will take me some times so please stay tuned

FOLDED

All 3 cameras fold up. Toyo is the biggest in a group Canham is lightest. Kodak folds in a metal box and it looks indestructible. however GG on Kodak is unprotected and same as Canham it needs insert style protector. Toyo has a GG protector built-in and once folded its most solid in a group. worst in a group is Canham: it locks with a nylon strap, camera is all exposed and its not tough and resistant as we would expect from field camera. in a way it has similar vibe to Tehnikardan but in my opinion its more fragile then Linhof. Physically Toyo is heaviest, has biggest footprint and biggest volume in a group. Kodak has smallest footprint and its smallest in volume. and Canham is lightest with smallest weight by far.

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please let me finish the review before you start placing comments... to be continued...

cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 12:37
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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 12:44
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SETUP

all 3 are easy to set up. Kodak is the fastest in a group and Canham slowest and most complected. Once you get the what Canham is going it becomes easier. i find folding Canham is harder then raising it up.

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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 13:05
FRONT MOVEMANTS

Canham has base and axsial front tilt. it has nice feature how you can lock up guides for rise/fall and get rid of axial titl or add it if you want. Toyo has base tilt that same as Kodak, will go all the way to the bed. Canham is bit restricted in base tilt forward. in a real life i think this is not s important and between limited base tilt and unlimited axial, Canham has plenty to offer. Canham and Kodak have more rise then Toyo, that already has plenty. Kodak has precise rise fall geared fin adjustmant that helps a lot if you already locked your axsial tilt


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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 13:07
Guys can you please wait with comment till i am finished posting everything. it takes me a bit of time sorry for that! am having a lot of trouble with photobucket. thanks

cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 13:13
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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 13:20
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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 13:29
FRONT SWING and SHIFT

Toyo with this 810MII modification has radically improved front capability. Kodak ad Toyo ahve a lot of swing to offer and for some of us who like to shoot abstract things this can be usefully. Canham is more restricted. On the other hand Kodak has one lock for shift swing and front focus and for me this is a main problem with KMV. .

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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 13:39
BACK MOVEMENTS

All 3 cameras have restricted back movement. Toyo has limited back tilt compared to the Canham and Kodak. Canham has no back Swing and for me this is a big bummer. Toyos back swing is fantastically minimal and hard to call a movement.

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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 13:43
WIDE ANGLE POSITION

Canham and Kodak can push rear standard forward allowing you virtually any wide lens to be used. Toyo unfortunately is limited in that department and there was a lot written about that. If this is imortant to you then Canham is way to go. Sorry i forgot to take a photo of Canham in this mode

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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 13:56
BELLOWS EXTENSION

Now this is a tricky one. Toyo 810M is as close to monorail as it can be this sting at 950mm is rock solid!!! its fascinating i have to say! Canham has 850mm of bellows but in my opinion this is not usable, not without one more tropod in front or magic arm. This Kodak has maximum of 500mm it was my decision to shorten the draw in order to get maximum stability. is Canham usable with heavy 600mm+ lens, well not for me.
Also Toyo and Kodak have recent Rudy. his quality and materials used are radically improved over last year. on the other hand Canham bellows are not to par with the rest. there is some bizarre torsion kink, at bigger extension, they drape like crazy and material used for top layer collect tons of dust. for me personally bellows on Canham are the worst part after a nylon strap :)

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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 14:09
MODULARITY and CLEANING

For me cleaning is really important, specially with cameras that we shoot in a snow, rain, dust. if i cant open it up, clean it and keep i cant trust it. jokes aside Toyo and Canham are grate in this department. Canham offers bag bellows and that alone is fantastic (i just hope they are made proper). Kodak is absolutely tribal in this department, only thing you can take off is a back and lens board. even changing groundglass needs a shimming and measurements on a test table... as i mentioned before Canham and Kodak dont have any holders for GG protector and this alone is a really problematic for a camera that should be used in a field. Canham and Kodak have similar back, with similar GG frame, something that am not really a fan. they keep film flat but i prefer Toyo.
Canham looks like it can be used forever and ever! everything is detachable, if you brake something its easy to repair and even if a K.B. Canham closes the shop and there is no more support any machine shop in the world can make you spare parts. this is not the case with Kodak for sure

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and this is just funny to compare

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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 14:20
BUILD QUALITY

Toyo is King of the group and probably one of the finest camera i ever worked on. the way Toyo is build is just another league. Canham is really basic, lack sophistication and its almost rude for the price it costs. On the other hand i am sure K.B. Canham was faced with hard calls: how to keep it low weight and to make it affordable. Kodak on the other hand is form another time: its 40 yers older then Canham and 30 then Toyo. materials used in Kodak are not by todays standards but still its a good nice camera same as Graflex SpeedGraphic is today
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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 14:22
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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 14:25
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cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 14:47
CONCLUSION

Canham is grate!!! A) its modern super light weight, all metal 8x10 that is made in US in a present digital age for that he has two thumbs up! camera is versatile has a lot of movement on a paper but its not as stable as expected and restricted in real life use. telescopic monorail exceeds my expectations. for what it is its solid as rock!!! Front standard is solid enough. rear standard is not :( to much wobbling and way to much tolerance for my taste. Machining entire new back frame otu of single peace of aluminum, adding locking nobs on a pivot point and making contact on entire length of bellows frame is on my to do list for this camera. Build quality could be better, i think i expected more... as for light weight: this is hands down, lightest most capable camera i ever used in my life!

Toyo is the King! undisputed champion for me. build like a tank, joy to use, tons of extension that can be used without extra tripod. Only down side is minimal rear movement and limited wide angle capability. i dont shoot wide so i dont care but lack of real swing and tillt is sad. finally at 6Lb more than Canham this is a heavy field camera. i dont have problem with that! for the price on used market Toyo 810M is undisputed champion of this group of cameras

Kodak MasterView: its old camera but still 100% usable. rock solid, limited in many ways but still good compact 8x10. its made in another era and my bo means it should be taken as modern cameras. IMO this camera is overpriced on used market and if i didnt have one i wouldn't pay asking price for KMV

hope this helps and hope you guys enjoyed. if there is a need i can make some specific videos of what you guys want to see. if you have any questions please shoot them and i will try my best to answer. thanks for looking

Luka


debate is open, fell free to post

Ari
11-Aug-2015, 15:54
Nice job, Luka.
I, too, was surprised by the stability of the Canham, and I am more impressed than is Luka; it felt quite solid at full extension with a heavy Copal 3 lens on it.
The build quality is not up to Toyo's, but the Toyo is massively overbuilt, and I'm guessing that weight savings was not a prime motivation for the designers. They went after stability.
In any camera, especially 8x10, there is always something missing, and none of these are the perfect camera.
Having lived with the Toyo for a few years, I accepted the extra weight as a trade-off for extra stability.

One more thing to add: the Toyo weighs in at 15.1 pounds, or 6.85kg; the Canham is 9.4 pounds, or 4.3kg. Your last paragraph stated a difference of 3 pounds, but it's closer to 6 pounds (2.5kg).

Tin Can
11-Aug-2015, 16:20
I guess Calumet C1 is not an option, Eh?

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/calumet/calumetc8x10.html

cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 16:27
Ari- thanks i corrected the weight difference in post above

Randy Moe- Nop! C1 is probably heavy as Toyo with Kodak duckt taped to back standard... C1 is still best starters 8x10 and best value LF on a market

Tin Can
11-Aug-2015, 16:46
Ari- thanks i corrected the weight difference in post above

Randy Moe- Nop! C1 is probably heavy as Toyo with Kodak duckt taped to back standard... C1 is still best starters 8x10 and best value LF on a market

My Green Magnesium C1 weighs 14.5 lbs.

cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 16:57
HA! that's interesting! i had C1 some 20 years ago, in a school as only 8x10 that we could get our hands on. i always remember it a super heavy, but 14.1 is not a lot. is black one heavier?

Tin Can
11-Aug-2015, 17:26
HA! that's interesting! i had C1 some 20 years ago, in a school as only 8x10 that we could get our hands on. i always remember it a super heavy, but 14.1 is not a lot. is black one heavier?

Yes

cikaziva
11-Aug-2015, 18:48
i would like if we can keep this discussion about cameras we used in this review. and leave C1 discussion for some other tread

EdSawyer
12-Aug-2015, 10:40
Frankly, the Canham seems way better built than the Toyo from the pictures. The quality of machining, choice of knob design, materials, fasteners, etc.

If you gave Keith Canham another 6 lbs (!) to work with, weight-wise, I am sure he would make something even more impressively stable and solid vs. the Toyo or whatever.

thanks for posting the info and details!
-Ed

Ari
12-Aug-2015, 10:52
Frankly, the Canham seems way better built than the Toyo from the pictures. The quality of machining, choice of knob design, materials, fasteners, etc.

If you gave Keith Canham another 6 lbs (!) to work with, weight-wise, I am sure he would make something even more impressively stable and solid vs. the Toyo or whatever.



I can assure you the Canham is not as well-built as the Toyo. The locks and controls on the Canham are spartan, the adjustments are rough. Focusing the rear standard is the only smooth mechanism to be found.
The Toyo is massively overbuilt, and all the locks are larger, much more positive and secure than those on the Canham.
Keith made the camera to be lightweight, and it is certainly that, but to do so, other compromises had to be made.
All that said, it's pretty secure when locked down. It's no slouch, but not in the same league as the Toyo, which is stable as a monorail.

tgtaylor
12-Aug-2015, 11:48
The only LF camera that I am personally familiar with is the Toyo and I can attest to the stability and fastness of the locks. Yesterday I was out with the MII and decided to shoot a negative of a grand old mansion with a 14" Wollensack soft focus lens. The Wolly is a large and heavy lens that is front-mounted - in other words, the entire lens, which weighs several pounds, sits in front of the lens board. This is no problem for the Toyo. The immediate foreground of the shot was a grass lawn flanked by a winding driveway to the mansion's front with a canopy of trees as a backdrop behind the house. Although I was shooting with a soft-focus lens I wanted everything, from the lawn in the foreground to the trees in the background to be in proper focus. That meant using front tilt and the lock on one side of the standard alone was sufficient to lock the standard down without creep (there are complimentary locks on both sides of the standard). Same thing with front rise: With one hand unlock that side of the standard and place it under the lens board and with the other unlock its side of the standard and position the lens to the correct height and then lock down the standard on that side. One lock is sufficient to hold the lens at the correct height without creep. Of course I always lock down both sides.

But I'm not done yet! Unfortunately the shutter on this particular lens doesn't trip with the cable release - I may need a longer throw - so it is necessary to manually trip the shutter. Holding a 3 stop ND filter against the front element (1/50 sec is top speed on this lens) while tripping the shutter with the other hand induced no vibration in the negative. I coated one sheet of Cot 320 and am getting ready to print the image as a salt print.

Thomas

BarryS
12-Aug-2015, 13:27
Nice comparison of three great cameras. I've used enough 8x10's to realize there's no such thing as a perfect camera--there's always tradeoffs. People have grumbled for a while about the rigidity of the Canham metal field cameras, but maybe the JMC isn't so bad after all. One of the great advantages of owning a Canham is Keith Canham--you can't underestimate that kind of support when you need something fixed, replaced or modified. I have a Toyo 810G and agree with any and all praise for the back, which I believe is the same as on the 810M/MII.

Louis Pacilla
12-Aug-2015, 17:03
If you gave Keith Canham another 6 lbs (!) to work with, weight-wise, I am sure he would make something even more impressively stable and solid vs. the Toyo or whatever.
-Ed


Nice comparison of three great cameras. I've used enough 8x10's to realize there's no such thing as a perfect camera--there's always tradeoffs. People have grumbled for a while about the rigidity of the Canham metal field cameras, but maybe the JMC isn't so bad after all. One of the great advantages of owning a Canham is Keith Canham--you can't underestimate that kind of support when you need something fixed, replaced or modified. I have a Toyo 810G and agree with any and all praise for the back, which I believe is the same as on the 810M/MII.

I totally agree with both of you.

Eds point on the extra weight used in the 810M I find very true. While I don't own a Toyo M I do own an 8x10 Wisner Tech and while I don't own an all metal 8x10 Canham I do own a Canham wood standard. As far as I'm concerned It's apples to oranges in that the Wisner @ 14lbs is MUCH more sturdy and ridged in all ways to the sturdiness and rigidity of my Canham Wood 8 1/2 lbs and I'm very sure that if Keith used the same amount of materials he certainly could have made the Canham as Solid/ridged as my Wisner. What Kieth did was manufacture a VERY capable camera at about 1/2 the weight. The Wisner @ 14lbs is much like a studio camera but can claim shell for easy transport (not to far from the truck) and has a bunch of bellows built in w/ the 4th extension and rear rise. The Canham is about as versatile while not as sturdy(sturdy enough) but again @ 1/2 the weight and therefor much easier to hike around w/.

Thanks for your time to post all the comparison text/photos

cikaziva
12-Aug-2015, 17:45
Frankly, the Canham seems way better built than the Toyo from the pictures. The quality of machining, choice of knob design, materials, fasteners, etc.

If you gave Keith Canham another 6 lbs (!) to work with, weight-wise, I am sure he would make something even more impressively stable and solid vs. the Toyo or whatever.

thanks for posting the info and details!
-Ed

I dont know if we are looking at same photos? look photos bellow please. Toyos back sits in a triple Chanel with a double positive lock, therfore film plain is perfectly sited and Canham on the other hand holds standard by 4 little stops, distances, as result entire raar frame shakes like jack russel tearier and film plain is not even in a top left corner... this is major no go! form photos bellow you can see that Cangam is holding rear standard on a small 5mm, non adjustable screw, and Toyo has 20mm pivot point again with a positive lock... result, well one shakes and other is solid as a rock. What really gets me with Canham is consultancy of how parts are made. some are grate and others, well they look like they ware made in a shop class. let me remind you that i dont own Toyo and that this is what you get form putting two cameras shoulder to shoulder. Canham is smaller, lighter, has some nice features but by far is worst make in this group; and you can take this to the bank!

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cikaziva
12-Aug-2015, 17:53
Guys dont get me wrong am not bashing Canham its really grate that it exists in a first place; that someone is making 8x10 cameras in 2015 is totally awesome. also this JMC is completely new design that we dont have in legacy 8x10 cameras. with minimum weight ist most rigid and most versatile 8x10 i know. just for the record :) on the other hands it has some quirks as any camera. some things are imortent to some user and some othere to some other man or in other application

EdSawyer
13-Aug-2015, 10:02
I'd still buy the canham over the other two if it was my money and I was going into 8x10. ;-)

djdister
13-Aug-2015, 11:20
I have the Canham 5x7 MQC (all metal) and I love it. But I love it even more since I got the hex keys to adjust/tighten the fittings...

HeinrichVoelkel
29-Mar-2021, 13:38
Pulling this up. What would be a good price to buy the Kodak 8x10 for in good condition?

dodphotography
30-Mar-2021, 21:16
Pulling this up. What would be a good price to buy the Kodak 8x10 for in good condition?

1700-2000 if it’s been converted to take Sinar or comes with an adapter board. OEM boards are a nightmare, originals can warp and CatLabs will lie to you and sell you an overpriced board that just doesn’t fit.


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Tin Can
31-Mar-2021, 05:01
I bolted a SINAR to Linhof adapter to OE KMV lens board

Easy

KMV set up very quickly


1700-2000 if it’s been converted to take Sinar or comes with an adapter board. OEM boards are a nightmare, originals can warp and CatLabs will lie to you and sell you an overpriced board that just doesn’t fit.


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Dave Ogle
1-Apr-2021, 12:20
nice post. well done. I do own a Kodak Master View 8x10. I made a cover for the ground glass. It is easy to use. easy to set up. well designed. I have several old Kodak lenses to go along with, 250 wide field and a 14". plus a few more other brands. If i go outside to shoot I need a hand truck. getting old. I don't know about the other cameras, but I am sure they are good cameras.