Holder 5x7" vs 13x18cm

[Ginette]

I saw some Linhof Technika film holders on eBay. They said 13x18cm film frame.
Is 5x7 film fit correctly into 13x18 film holder and is theses film holders will fit correctly in the 5x7 camera?
Thanks

[karl french]

5x7 film will fall out of the holder, though the holder would likely fit your 5x7 camera.

[Michael E]

International holders have identical outside dimensions, but different inside dimensions for 5x7"/13x18cm film. Linhof made some international holders that were thicker and worked diffently than the more common Fidelity/Lisco/whatever film holders. Personally, I don't like to work with them. Older Technikas used thin metal (plate?) holders that don't fit international backs.

[Emmanuel BIGLER]

Bonsoir Ginette !

If the Linhof holders you have in mind are real Linhof holder, I mean the thick ones with the spring-loaded pressure plate (allowing both 2 mm glass plates and .18" cut film), be happy!

Those 13x18 cm film holders can actually hold a 5x7" piece of film, you simply have to rotate the piece of cut-film by a tiny amount so that the pressure plate will hold them.
Sure, this was not intended by Linhof designers, but it works as a very useful workaround, as certified by our friend Marcel Couturier on the French MF+LF forum (To the best of my knowledge Ginette can read French ;) )
http://www.galerie-photo.org/n3-f2,159075.html

Linhof also had on catalogue molded-plastic film holders very similar to classical American film holders (at least for 9x12 c and 4x5", do not know for 5x7"), but those American 13x18 cm holders do not have the spring-loaded device, hence ... (you already know the end of the story)

[Ginette]

Thanks to both.
It is listed by a canadian seller (291525206826). Seller was not too clear about, listed as 5x7 but when I enlarge picture I can see Linhof 13x18 on the holder.
The flap look different from the common holders.

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Edit
Bonjour Emmanuel,
Are thoses listed the model with spring-loaded pressure plate?

[Emmanuel BIGLER]

It is listed by a Canadian seller (291525206826). (http://www.ebay.fr/itm/291525206826?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.fr%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D291525206826%26_rdc%3D1)

Ginette: those are classical 13x18 cm Linhof film holders with pressure plate.
Send an e-mail to Marcel so that he can confirm the trick for actually holding 5x7" cut-film in those pressure-plate 13x18 cm film holders.

CAVEAT: being thicker than classical American holders, not all view cameras can accept them, it depends on how flexible the springs in the springback are. "you have been warned" :)

sotto voce: an uncompromising Euro-Patriot only uses classical Linhof pressure-plate film holders in metric sizes - 6,5x9 - 9x12 - 13x18 - 18x24 ;)

[karl french]

I do love those old spring loaded Linhof holders, but they are heavier than Fidelity/Lisco holders and ejecting the film/plate with the lever can result in scratching if the pressure plate is not quite clean.

[Ginette]

Maybe more appropriate for someone who use glass plate or use both film formats. Here i'm in 5x7 only.
If you know someone who search for it.

[Emmanuel BIGLER]

Merci, Ginette

I have placed an announcement here on the French MF+LF forum, regarding the Toronto Linhof holders,
http://www.galerie-photo.info/forumgp/read.php?6,81377
(placing such an announcement is not forbidden by our FS/WTB forum rules, this is another story)
together with the detailed explanations by Marcel Couturier on how to properly modify, reversibly, an American 13x18 cm classical film holder (yes, those transatlantic beasts do exist and are cheaper on the 2nd-hand market than 5x7" holders!) so that it can hold a smaller 5x7" piece of film.
Only needed are 2 thin (2 mm wide) strips of 0.6 mm thick cardboard to slide on both edges to properly reduce the amount of play allowed on the edges. Should not work, but actually it does!

Marcel also explains briefly (in French) how he makes some kind of plastic reducing film guides (3 mm thick, thinned to 0.6 mm on both edges) in order to securely hold a 1/2 format 2.5"x7" panoramic piece of film in a 13x18 cm or 5x7" film holder. Again those accessories do not modify the film holder at all, when you take them off, you get your original 13x18 cm holder back.
I realize that this text, already difficult to understand for somebody fluent in French, can be really challenging to understand by somebody who does not know French, sorry for that.