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perfectagain
12-Jan-2015, 23:19
Has anyone heard of a "Hansa" field camera, wood, 6x9? I understand that Hansa was the manufacturer of Canon cameras, but this apparently is different. I cannot find any reference to the camera in McKeown, on the web, or in any other source available to me. If you know of this camera, what lens board does it use? Any other information would be very helpful. Thank you in advance. Dave

perfectagain
12-Jan-2015, 23:24
I should have done a search here first. Apparently the same question came up in 2009, but the thread does not give an answer and the link no longer is operative. So I remain in the dark. Dave

Oren Grad
12-Jan-2015, 23:47
Top o' my head: Japanese-made camera, available new until fairly recently. IIRC it takes a small, proprietary wooden board. They turn up on eBay sometimes - a search there may yield some pictures. I will try to make time over the next few days to check one of my old Nippon Camera annuals to see if it has any more details.

perfectagain
13-Jan-2015, 04:30
Thank you. There is one on eBay currently with photos. It looks clean. No lens board. If you can find some more information, I would greatly appreciate it. Dave

munz6869
13-Jan-2015, 06:00
I have one - it's a mysterious beast. Here's an LF selfie of me posing with it...

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Marc!

Oren Grad
13-Jan-2015, 08:54
from Nippon Camera Annual 1995

Hansa Field 69

introduced 12/1993

132 x 116 x 67 mm
750 g
lens board 60x64 mm proprietary

front movements
rise 16 mm, fall 12.5 mm
forward tilt 9 degrees
rear tilt 19 degrees
shift 13.8 mm
swing 10 degrees

back movements
swing 5 degrees
rear tilt 17 degrees
forward tilt - without a dictionary handy I'm not sure exactly what the description is saying on this, but plainly with the camera set up it will be limited by the position of the front standard

perfectagain
13-Jan-2015, 11:32
Oren -- Thank you very much. Dave

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Oren Grad
13-Jan-2015, 12:12
Oops - I missed one important specification, sorry 'bout that! It's said to be capable of accommodating lenses in focal lengths 47 mm to 180 mm, though there isn't a direct specification of bellows draw.

If you end up buying it, do let us know what you think of it!

perfectagain
13-Jan-2015, 12:22
Marc -- Overall, do you like your Hansa? Would you buy one again? How difficult would it be to fabricate a lens board for it? Thanks. Dave

perfectagain
13-Jan-2015, 12:23
Oren -- Thanks again. The one for sale does not have a lens board. The fact that the board is proprietary is a concern. I cannot tell how difficult it might be to make one myself. I am a decent amateur woodworker, but . . . I hope Marc, who has one of these, can give me some idea.

Andrew Plume
13-Jan-2015, 13:39
..........mmm, it's an attractive beast, I have to say, ignoring of course the carrying strap, no,........it's more like 'a chain'

Marc, what's the set up for taking images as the seller hasn't made any apparent comment on this, please?

will it accept the small Horseman boards? namely those for the Horseman line of the same format, maybe

regards

andrew

Old-N-Feeble
13-Jan-2015, 15:47
I once had a tiny 6x9cm wooden field camera similar to that but a bit different and it had no identifying markings. The carry strap was leather though.

Dan Fromm
13-Jan-2015, 16:32
Cameraeccentric had one years ago, thought that Tachihara made it. See: https://web.archive.org/web/20090307013705/http://www.cameraeccentric.com/html/sale/hansa_4.html

Might be a Tachi Shirom, see http://photo.net/large-format-photography-forum/003oFY

Against that, here's a dead listing for a Hansa 6x9. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Excellent-Hansa-Field-69-Field-Camera-From-Japan-/111564371915 It seems similar to the Shrirom but the details differ.

Oren Grad
13-Jan-2015, 17:44
Cameraeccentric had one years ago, thought that Tachihara made it. See: https://web.archive.org/web/20090307013705/http://www.cameraeccentric.com/html/sale/hansa_4.html

I don't happen to know the origin of the Hansa camera myself. But in the absence of supporting evidence I wouldn't place much weight on Eccentric's attribution. The default seems to be for folks with little information about Japanese cameras to jump to the conclusion that every Japanese low-end wooden camera of uncertain origin must have been made by Tachihara. This is done even when cameras plainly look different from all known Tachihara-branded models. ("It's Japanese! It's wooden! It's lightweight! It has shiny metal parts! It's not labeled Nagaoka, so it must be a Tachihara!") But even hardware that's virtually identical is no guarantee; it might simply be an indication of sharing a subcontractor, or maybe not even that.

munz6869
13-Jan-2015, 22:05
I'll make some photos of it from various angles and post them when I get home from work so you can all see. The lens board is square, and would be pretty easy to fabricate...

The back is a flip-down ground glass (not spring) with a slider so you can put a 2x3 film back (Graflex or similar) in its place. In practice, some Graflex backs fit better than others, which doesn't make a lot of sense... There are generous front standard movements and rear standard tilt, for what it's worth in this format...

Marc!

perfectagain
13-Jan-2015, 22:17
Thank you. Dave

munz6869
14-Jan-2015, 01:32
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14-Jan-2015, 01:35
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The lens board is 62x60x2mm and flat. The lens on this one is a not especially impressive 90mm f/3.5 Congo (not the w.a. version).

Marc!

munz6869
14-Jan-2015, 01:39
And for size comparison...

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munz6869
14-Jan-2015, 01:43
And here, next to an 8x10"...

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Tim Meisburger
14-Jan-2015, 04:02
Wow! That thing is super cute.

perfectagain
14-Jan-2015, 04:52
Marc -- Thank you. I really appreciate your help. I did purchase the camera. I'll up-load photos when I receive it. Dave

perfectagain
14-Jan-2015, 04:52
Thank you to everyone who responded. Dave

munz6869
14-Jan-2015, 05:03
How exciting! Yes, please post here Dave - I think we'll have successfully 'doubled' the amount of information about these cameras currently on the web!!!

Marc!

Andrew Plume
14-Jan-2015, 05:23
good thread, good thread

ah, if only Ebony Cameras could be as cheap as this one

regards to all

andrew

Oren Grad
14-Jan-2015, 08:53
Marc, thanks for posting the pictures!

Your camera is not the same as the one Dave bought, though. The brand label on yours says Fotox 6789, and some of the design details, including some of the metal hardware, are distinctly different.

No matter - all the better to have as much information as we can get on any of these delightful little 6x9 cameras, and to be able to compare the details across them!

Old-N-Feeble
14-Jan-2015, 11:54
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That's exactly like the one I had a few years ago except mine had no nameplate. I didn't want to sell it but I ran out of money.

perfectagain
10-Feb-2015, 13:03
129095129096129097129098Again, thank you all for all of the assistance concerning the Hansa camera, and especially thank you to Marc for posting the photos. I said that I would post photos of the camera when I received it. I apologize for the delay. I did make a lens board for it. It had no board when I bought it. The board is simply a flat piece. The primary problem was the thickness of the board so that it would fit properly under the clamps. The photos show the board with a very common Kodak Ektar 101mm f4.5 lens from a 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 Busch Pressman which I have. Apparently the camera is "Yoke 69," since that is the only name label. I cannot find any information on a "Yoke," and I have looked very extensively. The camera also has a label which says "1991-3-21," which I assume to be the date of manufacture. That is about five years earlier than the dates I find for the very similar Hansa. As Oren noted, the hardware fitting on this camera are somewhat different than those on the Hansa. The camera appears to be in excellent condition.

In any case, here are the photos. Thanks again for the valuable help. Dave

Steven Tribe
10-Feb-2015, 13:36
Fun camera and the relationship between the two is obvious. I expect the designer had problems explaining why the rear mounting bar had to be so long in the later version!

Apart from the chain (safety first!), the only problem I have is with the two huge GG mounts. Japan had a history of elegant and distinctive brass fittings.