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riooso
13-Aug-2014, 18:40
I hope this is not to basic a question. The problem that I am having is that I am so new to B&W film that I don't even know what to do a search on to find out what I need to know.

I have signed up for a beginning class in Photography at a nearby college and, of course, one must learn to shoot, develop, and print Black and White film. The standard film that is being used in class is "Delta 400" 35mm. I am assuming that "Delta 400" is Ilford film only and not a universal name for a particular type of film. I am really jazzed about this class. I have been shooting 4x5 color for some time now and my prof said he was more than willing to let me mix in some 4X5 stuff, which is great! Now for the hard part, for me. Ilford Delta 400 is only offered in 35mm but Ilford makes a HP5 Plus 400 in sheets. Is the chemistry to develop both of them the same? Kodac offers a 400 TMax. Does that film use different chemistry?

I realize that it is not that difficult to start developing my own stuff but this semester I was hoping to make it a little simpler and just slide in with 4X5's thrown into the mix. I have done Kodachrome and Etachrome slide developing.


Thanks in advance. I have heard once you get hooked on B&W that well, basically, it is just like going down a rabbit hole!:o


Take Care,
Richard

Jim Andrada
13-Aug-2014, 18:56
Welcome to the rabbit hole

The simple answer is that you can develop just about anything in just about anything and get a usable image. The less simple answer is that each film developer combination can have pluses and minuses. Some combinations might give finer grain, or less or more contrast, or harder or softer edges. Some might give higher or lower speed. Some come as powder, some as liquids. Some have longer or shorter developing times. etc, etc, etc.

But for starters don't sweat it. My local lab uses Ilford ID-11 for everything and I don't have any complaint. When I do my own I tend to use HC-110 (very concentrated syrup, can be used in many different dilutions with somewhat different results) or D-76 (an old standby) or Xtol.

The HC-110 syrup keeps damned near forever which is a plus. And it's easy to dilute it for use. I don't think you could go wrong by starting with it. Everyone here will have their own opinions (sometime multiple opinions per person!) of course.

You can look up a bunch of combinations in the "Massive Development Chart". One thing to consider though is that it's best to not use combinations with a development time under 5 minutes or so because pouring the solution in and out of a daylight tank takes some time and you can get uneven development with short development times.

riooso
13-Aug-2014, 20:54
Thanks.

R

BetterSense
13-Aug-2014, 20:58
All b&w film uses the same chemistry and the differences between different combinations are minor. HP5 and Tmax are both good films.

Jim Andrada
13-Aug-2014, 21:16
Welcome to the rabbit hole

The simple answer is that you can develop just about anything in just about anything and get a usable image. The less simple answer is that each film developer combination can have pluses and minuses. Some combinations might give finer grain, or less or more contrast, or harder or softer edges. Some might give higher or lower speed. Some come as powder, some as liquids. Some have longer or shorter developing times. etc, etc, etc.

But for starters don't sweat it. My local lab uses Ilford ID-11 for everything and I don't have any complaint. When I do my own I tend to use HC-110 (very concentrated syrup, can be used in many different dilutions with somewhat different results) or D-76 (an old standby) or Xtol.

The HC-110 syrup keeps damned near forever which is a plus. And it's easy to dilute it for use. I don't think you could go wrong by starting with it. Everyone here will have their own opinions (sometime multiple opinions per person!) of course.

You can look up a bunch of combinations in the "Massive Development Chart". One thing to consider though is that it's best to not use combinations with a development time under 5 minutes or so because pouring the solution in and out of a daylight tank takes some time and you can get uneven development with short development times.

http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.php

riooso
13-Aug-2014, 21:22
This is good to hear. Being able to use 4X5 film is going to be very nice.


R

John Kasaian
13-Aug-2014, 22:39
I've found Ilford's own forum to be a great source of information on all things Ilford
http://ilfordphoto.com/photocommunity/forums/theforum/default.asp

gzp
14-Aug-2014, 17:47
You can do a search for the film "ilford hp-5" and look for the Ilford spec sheet for the film (a pdf). It will give development times for the film in various developers. Will they have daylight tanks for LF film? If not, you'll need to tray develop. You may end up preferring to develop your sheet film at home and can then choose your own developer. More than likely, the instructor will be happy to be accommodating, it's a chance to expose the students to something more than the usual.

riooso
14-Aug-2014, 19:08
There is a complete darkroom, of course. I do not know about tank. I have read that tanks are the best way to go for consistency and I am not opposed to tank developing at home. The cost would not be a negative for me. It would just be nice to have the 4X5 in the mix. I would bet printing is quite a jump from 35mm negatives.


Thanks,
R

Andrew O'Neill
14-Aug-2014, 20:08
Short answer, yes. Different developers will give the film a different character (look), as will different dilutions. They may also affect grain. Which developer were you using? HP5 is my main film and I've developed in just about everything, including staining developers (which it truly sings in!)

polyglot
14-Aug-2014, 21:28
As per previous answers, B&W films (with a small handful of exceptions) are universally compatible with B&W developers and fixers. Different combinations have different characteristics, hence the rabbit hole; google up the Massive Development Chart for a starting point. TMY2 (Tmax 400) is probably the closest equivalent to Delta 400 that is available in 4x5, it is wonderful stuff but quite expensive (except that you're used to paying for colour). HP5 is excellent, but it is a coarser traditional emulsion, closer to Tri-X than it is to Delta and Tmax.

Do you have a 4x5" enlarger? If you were previously scanning your colour film and the B&W photo class expects you to make traditional silver prints (I would hope that it does!) then you might have a sticking point if the people running the class only have smaller enlargers. If they have a medium-format enlarger, you could maybe buy a rollfilm back for your camera and use that for the class. That would let you use Delta 400, which is available in 120 (medium format).

Have a read through the FAQ link in my signature, it's aimed at the beginner level and should hopefully pre-empt some of your questions and/or make some things clearer.

I assume the course will have some reference materials or textbook, but if you want an excellent reference then you should buy a copy of Way Beyond Monochrome (http://www.waybeyondmonochrome.com/). It contains basically everything you need to know about the B&W process, end-to-end.

riooso
15-Aug-2014, 06:06
Once again thanks for the heads up. I asked about printing 4X5 and he said no problem.


R