Physical information about Schneider 47mm Super Angulon XL

[sanking]

I am trying to figure out if an experimental camera has enough room to fit a 47mm Super Angulon XL. What I need to know is the maximum width of the rear elements (at the point of greatest extension), and the length of this component, measured from base of the shutter. Thanks for the information, or link to a specification sheet that would show what I am looking for.

Sandy

[Sal Santamaura]

https://www.schneideroptics.com/pdfs/photo/datasheets/super-angulon/super-angulon_xl_56_47_3.pdf

[sanking]

Sal,

Thanks for the link.

Unfortunately the 47mm SAXL won't work for me as the rear element is too wide to clear a baffle in the camera, which is 52mm wide.

Sandy

[sanking]

Sal,

Would you have a link to a data sheet for the older 47mm f/5.6 Super Angulon?

Or if anyone who has this lens can measure the width of the rear element for me?

Sandy

[Keith Pitman]

https://www.schneideroptics.com/info/vintage_lens_data/large_format_lenses/super-angulon/data/5.6-47mm.html

[Sal Santamaura]

...Would you have a link to a data sheet for the older 47mm f/5.6 Super Angulon?...The link Keith posted is the only one I can find in Schneider's archive. Unfortunately, it doesn't include the rear-cell mechanical dimensions you seek. Hopefully someone with a greater command of German can better navigate Schneider Kreuznach's site than I'm able to. Even better would be actual measurements by an owner of that lens.

[mdarnton]

You know about the option of putting the back of the lens on through the back of the camera after the shutter is in place, right? If the only problem is the width of the baffle for inserting the lens, but the baffle is relatively forward and out of the way once the lens is on (usually a restriction, round hole just behind the board, that's how to do it.

[Arne Croell]

The link Keith posted is the only one I can find in Schneider's archive. Unfortunately, it doesn't include the rear-cell mechanical dimensions you seek. Hopefully someone with a greater command of German can better navigate Schneider Kreuznach's site than I'm able to. Even better would be actual measurements by an owner of that lens.
Schneiders own site is not that helpful anymore since their redesign, when they took off all the Archive information. Fortunately there is the Internet Archive, aka WayBack Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110906150405/http://www.schneiderkreuznach.com/archiv/pdf/an_su_1963.pdf

The old 47mm f/8 had 34mm back diameter according to that document (column 10 of the table on p.1)

The older f/5.6 had 43mm back diameter, the link is here: https://web.archive.org/web/20110906150405/http://www.schneiderkreuznach.com/archiv/pdf/an_su_1995.pdf

[sanking]

You know about the option of putting the back of the lens on through the back of the camera after the shutter is in place, right? If the only problem is the width of the baffle for inserting the lens, but the baffle is relatively forward and out of the way once the lens is on (usually a restriction, round hole just behind the board, that's how to do it.

Thanks, but that would be very inconvenient in this case since the camera is semi-permanently mounted and there is no access from the rear of the baffle.

Sandy

[sanking]

Schneiders own site is not that helpful anymore since their redesign, when they took off all the Archive information. Fortunately there is the Internet Archive, aka WayBack Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110906150405/http://www.schneiderkreuznach.com/archiv/pdf/an_su_1963.pdf

The old 47mm f/8 had 34mm back diameter according to that document (column 10 of the table on p.1)

The older f/5.6 had 43mm back diameter, the link is here: https://web.archive.org/web/20110906150405/http://www.schneiderkreuznach.com/archiv/pdf/an_su_1995.pdf

Thanks, the 47mm f/5.6, with a rear diameter of 43 mm, should work for me.

Surprising how hard it is to obtain this type of information.

Sandy

[vpw]

I'm here in 2020 with the same quest for information for a half/arsed project.

I'm needing to know flange distance of the 47 S.A. XL and the rear element diameter.

Schneider's web-site it not useful anymore, the way-back machine doesn't have the 1980-1999 spec sheet I think I'm seeking.

Thanks for any help that can be offered.

Interestingly Schneider responded to me; they said they don't have much information on discontinued items, they did send me a data-book pdf on obsolete digital lenses. Yikes ...

[vpw]

In the case someone stumbles upon this, I'll leave this data I found on the digital lenses.

201198201199

[C. D. Keth]

I skimmed this page and didn't see the rear element diameter. It does list the "rear section maximum diameter" as 63.5 mm and the flange focal distance as 59.1 mm

Perhaps that will tell you what you need?

https://www.kenrockwell.com/schneider/47xl.htm

[C. D. Keth]

On the third page of the 1995 wayback link that Arne posted above, it lists the 47mm XL's backfocus as 29.5mm.

That jives reasonably with the 59.1mm flange focal distance and 30.1mm "lens seat to lens rear" distance also listed.

[Dan Fromm]

https://web.archive.org/web/19970618120946/http://www.schneideroptics.com/large/super_angulon/xl47/daten.html

You have to be a bit persistent when looking for Schneider info saved with archive.org, root around in older saves.

vpw, as a newcomer you may not be acquainted with this site's resources. FAQs and articles, some useful, others not, can be accessed starting from the LF Home Page button at the top of the screen. In addition, the first post in this https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?138978-Where-to-look-for-information-on-LF-(mainly)-lenses discussion has a link to a list of links that some have found useful. I used it to find the archived Schneider link I gave you above.

[vpw]

@Dan Fromm and C.D.

Thanks for the feedback and direction. I've been in and out of these pages for more than a decade, I actually re-signed up my long dormant handle wasn't allowing me to post, I never heard back from the moderator, I was thinking I needed to pay a fee or something like over at APUG.

I use Google and Bing a lot (mostly Google) to find obscure things, and it directed me several times to threads here but interestingly not the FAQ pages.

Turns out I realized I am over thinking the XL need as most of my application is on roll-film or digital, so the smaller SA non XL may be the ticket if the resolution isn't "soft" for the 50mp Fuji sensor.

this is my web site... www.vincentseye.com

I'm building my "ultimate" travel view camera kit from once un-affordable/justifiable kit that was once the cost of a decent car.
Linhof Technikardan, SA 90, a 65, and 240, Just had the bellows people in England make me a new set of double-tapers in red.

I'm also re-doing/engineering a Horseman L camera for permanent use with the Fuji gfx 50R in place of the film stage for product work in the studio.
That's where the 47 SA or SA XL I'm needing the tech data for.
I can't believe how inexpensive the Horsman is and how much more sturdy it is than the Sinars I used to own/use.

Again, thanks....


<<EDIT>>

After starring at the charts, measuring, surmising, I was overthinking my whole problem. (Those wides would "live" inside the mouth of the FUJI with 5-7mm of free room)
For perspective control, and having the clearance to use any of it (rise fall) I'm going with a retrofocus wide, it solves every issue.
The Pentax 645 35mm f3.5 is highly regarded for its performance with chips, It gives me some 66mm of room between it and the flange on the Fuji GFX,
I'll post a "new" thread in future for the Horseman frankenkamera, (I've got all the parts and some of the work done, just ordered a used Pentax 35mm. I have a couple clients with a lot of buildings, I've always admired the work of Ezra Stoller, I (we) need to get our heads out of the MTF charts, make a kit that works with our own economic restraints, and get out the and make photos.