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DurbinLewisLtd
18-May-2014, 15:36
Hello,

I was sold these two boxes today, 11 x 14 Fuji 64T Transparency Film.

They are dated 1990, unsure if they have been frozen/fridge stored or not.

I imagine that 11x14 film was always quite rare, even more so as Tungsten? Just wondering if anyone could give me more info on the availability of colour film at these sizes back in the 80s/90 even up to recently. Where they always specialist order or did it live side by side with 10x8/5x4 quite happily?

all the best,

John


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David A. Goldfarb
18-May-2014, 15:44
I had some 11x14" Kodak color transparency film of similar vintage at one time, purchased cheaply from another photographer's freezer. It was tending toward magenta in an uneven way, better in the center than at the edges. It improved by doubling the exposure and reducing development time by one stop, but the results were lower in contrast, as one would expect with a one-stop pull.

11x14" color was commonly used for furniture studios at one time, so I suspect there may have been some demand for it.

vinny
18-May-2014, 16:11
If frozen, it could be fine. I've used velvia that old recently and it was spot on. If it wasn't cold stored, it'll likely be funky. Just a couple years ago badger graphic did a special order of some 11x14 provia and the prices weren't too bad. That won't happen now.

brighamr
18-May-2014, 16:43
hi John

where did you find that in london ?
and do you know anybody who can developed 11x14 E6

did you find a camera yet ?

it might be worth your while calling Mr Cad

robin

london

DurbinLewisLtd
18-May-2014, 16:52
That's really interesting to know that it would have been used for furniture, I'm actually planning an 11x14 shoot for a large installation of 19th century furniture - originally in black and white but this find gives me much more scope, also as I'll likely be cross processing most of it.

Would it have been used for furniture in order to capture allot of detail on larger objects?

Shame I came to photography just a bit too late for this Provia order! Doubt I'll find any now second hand. How much were these Provia boxes originally? (10 sheets I presume)

DurbinLewisLtd
18-May-2014, 16:58
Hi robin,

I'm hoping Artful Dodgers may be able to help me with it as E6 or C-41 (I also have some 10x10 colour inter-neg film I'd need the same treatment for) failing that I'll set up a Jobo system at the RCA to do it.

I got it from a seller visiting London, I also got some 10x8 RDP/Ektachrome 64 as well but this was a surprise. Originally I was only supposed to be being getting some spare parts for the WT-102 I'm aiming to get operational.

Heroique
18-May-2014, 17:17
I'd be eager to try it out on daylight landscapes + 85b filter.

Not sure where I'd send it for processing.

But when done, I'd probably view it on a light table in stunned silence.

StoneNYC
18-May-2014, 21:05
Wow way a find! Congrats! I have no info except recently a member posted some 11x14 E100G images in the LF landscapes section, so there was certainly some demand that kodak and Fuji produced it., just WOW.

Nicolasllasera
18-May-2014, 22:19
I have no problem developing it in Europe.

DurbinLewisLtd
19-May-2014, 04:06
I really look forward to working with these!

Where are you getting them developed in Europe? Is this for E6 or C-41 as well?

Nicolasllasera
19-May-2014, 04:35
I really look forward to working with these!

Where are you getting them developed in Europe? Is this for E6 or C-41 as well?

I think I said it the wrong way. I was meaning that I can develope 11x14 film. E-6 or C-41.

;)

koh303
19-May-2014, 05:24
I'd be eager to try it out on daylight landscapes + 85b filter.

Not sure where I'd send it for processing.

But when done, I'd probably view it on a light table in stunned silence.

You can do it yourself with a Jobo and the soon to be available 3062. Or you can send it to a place like LFL in CA.

Heroique
19-May-2014, 12:01
You can do it yourself with a Jobo and the soon to be available 3062. Or you can send it to a place like LFL in CA.

My experience w/ Fuji 64T as a 4x5 landscape film (w/ 85b) would make processing these 11x14 sheets – at home or lab – worth the effort!

BTW, I really like the 11x14 aspect ratio, another justification for the effort.

John: If you shoot those two boxes, I hope you'll be able to share the images here.

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For those who have a copy of Simmons' "Using the View Camera," there's a pleasing 8x10 landscape w/ tungsten film + 85b, taken w/ a Goerz Artar 480mm (19") lens.

See page 118-119 for the two-page spread.

StoneNYC
19-May-2014, 12:39
My experience w/ Fuji 64T as a 4x5 landscape film (w/ 85b) would make processing these 11x14 sheets at home or lab worth the effort!

BTW, I really like the 11x14 aspect ratio, another justification for the effort.

John: If you shoot those two boxes, I hope you'll be able to share the images here.

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For those who have a copy of Simmons' "Using the View Camera," there's a pleasing 8x10 landscape w/ tungsten film + 85b, taken w/ a Goerz Artar 480mm (19") lens.

See page 118-119 for the two-page spread.

I agree 11x14 is wonderful!

Too bad Cibichrome is gone, imagine an 11x14 contact transparency!

DurbinLewisLtd
20-May-2014, 04:03
The person who sold them to me is trying to find out exactly how they were stored for all this time. I have some RDP 10x8 from the same sale so could use that as a tester for ageing I suppose.

I'm afraid I don't work with landscape, but do allot with antique furniture and my current research has been about finding a great film/process for photographing Mahogany - currently in the lead is cross processed original Velvia 50.


Cibichromes might be possible, a former tutor of mine once told me that they had some bottles of r-type left over from a long time back - just need the paper and apply it to my Jobo system I would guess?

StoneNYC
20-May-2014, 11:53
I have to make a retraction, I thought I remembered seeing some 11x14 transparency images in the LF Landscapes thread, after trying to find a distinct image of a rainbow... It turns out it was 8x10...

Sorry about that!

Drew Wiley
20-May-2014, 12:52
I was working with an old master transparency made on Fuji 64T last nite, part of an interneg test. It had much better gray neutrality than Velvia or Provia, but with
a tad more contrast than Astia. I used it for a lot of fussy indoor stuff back then, like copy work, tabletop photog, and architecture with hot lights.

Nathan Potter
20-May-2014, 14:41
Interesting Drew, I was scanning some older microscopy images done on 4X5 64T last week. I had placed one done last year using vintage 1995 64T in the abstracts thread previously. I'll reproduce it below with virtually no PS color adjustment. Seems good color for 18 year old frozen 64T. Illumination was 3200 K halogen. Was superb film for 4X5 microscopy.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7314/12627304173_9c7ab4d2e2_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/argiolus/12627304173/)
DIC-13-10[F1 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/argiolus/12627304173/) by hypolimnas (https://www.flickr.com/people/argiolus/), on Flickr

Nate Potter, Austin TX.

StoneNYC
20-May-2014, 15:04
Interesting Drew, I was scanning some older microscopy images done on 4X5 64T last week. I had placed one done last year using vintage 1995 64T in the abstracts thread previously. I'll reproduce it below with virtually no PS color adjustment. Seems good color for 18 year old frozen 64T. Illumination was 3200 K halogen. Was superb film for 4X5 microscopy.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7314/12627304173_9c7ab4d2e2_c.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/argiolus/12627304173/)
DIC-13-10[F1 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/argiolus/12627304173/) by hypolimnas (https://www.flickr.com/people/argiolus/), on Flickr

Nate Potter, Austin TX.

There's such a thing as using 4x5 for a microscope image???? That's crazy!!! Where do you even find that kind of equipment these days? Isn't everything digital?

Super beautiful by the way

Drew Wiley
20-May-2014, 15:36
Stone, go to the Nikon Small World website to see a lot of current microscope photography. They even sponsor contests. But a lot of that will be really high-tech
stuff with expensive modern gear. What is more down to earth goes back a few decades. There you'd have a trinocular scope by Zeiss or somebody like that - two
eyepieces for visual viewing, and the third tube for a camera adapter tube, which typically attached to a 35mm film camera, but also could be adapted to a hood
with a Polaroid film holder at the end - which in turn could be easily adapted for Quickload or Readyload use, or with a bit more work, to a conventional 4x5 sheet film holder, or even a sheet film vacuum holder. I thought one of these devices would be easy to acquire, but they're apparently still enough in demand to fetch higher prices than I can presently afford. Of course, it would not be difficult to machine one yourself. Or I could do it the way Sinar once did, by connecting a lot of bellows, rail sections, and rail clamps to a very long very stable beam, to create an ultra-macro conventional camera of whatever film size you desire. Of course, the lighting etc get a bit complicated, but that call all be figured out. There are all kinds of ways for doing this, and it would be one more hypothetical fun thing for to fiddle with down the line before I croak. I did a lot of microscopy in college, both in microbiology and geology. Nathan sure had fun with that one. I
know another fellow who did bugs macro, then turned them into giant dye transfer prints. Sometimes the universe comes to us thru a telescope, sometimes with
things we don't ordinarily see cause they're too small. I'd just like to have a good scope again, just for the sheer fun of it.

Drew Wiley
20-May-2014, 15:40
Durbin - I'd suggest Ektar for resolving critical shades of brown like occur with mahogany, provided you carefully balance it per color temp meter readings. I can be
printed on Fuji Supergloss for the same kind of look as Cibachrome. But ideally, you need to know some masking tricks just like Cibachrome, only different tricks. But
the end result can skunk an inkjet to pieces.

StoneNYC
20-May-2014, 18:26
Not sure this is the same exact film? But it might help with testing?

http://www.apug.org/forums/showthread.php?t=130041

Nathan Potter
21-May-2014, 11:55
Same film, 64T. Fine for 3200K or 3400K light source. If it's more than about 10 years old and frozen the color balance can be tweaked using PS.

Stone, 4X5 photomicrography using film was common up to about 2000 and was gradually displaced by video imaging and printing. Lots of microscope discussion on another current thread here, "Optics: resolution versus contrast".

Nate Potter, Austin TX.