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georgetatge
26-Feb-2014, 07:33
Hello experts!
I have been living in Italy for over 40 yrs working with a 5x7 Deardorf. This format, which in Europe used to be used a lot, is falling by the wayside because the film
manufacturers are leaning more towards 4x5 or 8x10 film.
As I will have to begin using my 4x5in. reducing back on the same Deardorf, I would like to know what lens corresponds to the 150mm on the 5x7in camera? I use this
lens for most of my pictures and would like to have the same rapport on the 4x5. The 150mm I use on the 5x7 is a Schneider Super Symmar XL with amazing coverage.
What would the corresponding lens be for a 4x5 in terms of quality too?
Many thanks for any suggestions.
Kindest wishes,
George Tatge
www.georgetatge.com

Jason Greenberg Motamedi
26-Feb-2014, 08:10
The 110mm Schneider Super Symmar XL would be a sensible replacement.

Gem Singer
26-Feb-2014, 09:13
A 210mm lens on 5x7 is the "normal" focal length. Approx. equal to a 150mm lens on 4x5.

Ari
26-Feb-2014, 09:45
A 150 is slightly wide for 5x7, and you have a high-quality 150 in the SS XL.
The equivalent for 4x5, roughly, would be in the 110mm-125mm range.

Jason's 110 SS XL is a great choice, as would be a Grandagon 115; both are top-quality lenses, the Grandagon being the bulkier of the two, and both offer excellent coverage.

Steve Goldstein
26-Feb-2014, 10:51
You might also consider a 120mm Super-Symmar HM. It has more than ample coverage for 4x5, but less than the 110SSXL or 115 Grandagon, reducing the amount of non-imaging light bouncing around in the bellows. The 120 is a bit longer than the 110, but almost exactly the same weight, and like the 110 takes 67mm filters.

All three of these lenses will offer a field of view very comparable to the 150SSHM on 5x7.

Professional
27-Feb-2014, 09:31
How about one of those 3 lenses?

https://www.badgergraphic.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=237
https://www.badgergraphic.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=165
https://www.badgergraphic.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=221

Macro lens has huge IC but is that only with 1:1? Also Macro lens is not good used as a standard lens?

georgetatge
28-Feb-2014, 02:06
Many thanks Jason!
G.

georgetatge
28-Feb-2014, 02:07
Many thanks FB.
G.

georgetatge
28-Feb-2014, 02:08
Many thanks Dakotah.
G

Andrew Plume
28-Feb-2014, 03:25
The 110mm Schneider Super Symmar XL would be a sensible replacement.

and I am currently selling one on here - take a look in the 'FS section'

regards

andrew

Carsten Wolff
28-Feb-2014, 05:21
The 105mm f8 Fujinon-SW is also very nice (IC of 250mm).

(Re: Format: I use both 5x7" and 13x18cm film and have yet to run into really serious supply problems in either color, or b/w.
If bothered, cutting down, or buying 8x10" stock already cut to 5x7" is also quite easy.
My "third way" is often just using a 6x17cm Canham back on my 5x7" camera....I actually love working in that format and there is plenty of 120 about.)

Jim Galli
28-Feb-2014, 10:41
The 4 3/8" (111mm) f8 wide field Dagor if you could find a nice one. These are cherished, and enjoy the cherished price when sold. Zeiss made a 10 cm f9 wide field dagor and these are even more cherished. Rarely seen. I had one for many years until the prices got such that I let it get away.

My keeper has been the early 125mm Fuji plasmat single coated. These seem to enjoy 75 degrees or so and I always seem to have enough movement with it.

Carsten Wolff
2-Mar-2014, 14:34
OK, if vintage is an option for you (and having a Deardorff may well put you into that corner :) ), look also into Wide Angle Raptars, such as the 104-108 (focal lengths vary; I have a 103.7mm and a 108mm): Lots of coverage and I sold my WF Dagor after starting to use these. I also had a 108mm f6.5 Cooke Series VIIb, which was equally tiny, but nice, but these are (perhaps even more so than the Dagors) similarly sought after. Wide Field Ektars are ok; tons of stuff in the 90mm group of course....

neil poulsen
2-Mar-2014, 20:13
There's also the 120mm f8 Super Angulon MC. Huge coverage and an excellent lens. It's a moderate wide-angle for 4x5. The 120mm S.A. also has no problem covering 5x7.

When using 5x7 film, what was your typical width to length ratio of your photos? Did you tend to use the full 5x7 negative, or did you tend to crop one dimension or the other?

Daniel Stone
5-Mar-2014, 18:49
I picked up a Fujinon-SW 125mm F8 earlier this year, and it's proved to be a very nice lens. Large coverage(even for 5x7!), but LOADS of room for 4x5"

Using it on my Deardorff 4x5 Special has proven to be 1. Successful and 2. Enjoyable. It fit the "void" I was feeling between my Nikkor 90mm and my Fuji-A 180mm.

It's wide, but not "too wide". Very nice IMO. And I haven't felt the need for a center filter when shooting transparency film(5x7) even.

There's qute a few coming out of Japan, I got mine in near NIB condition w/ a Technika board for $275 shipped. I can't say that wasn't a deal, especially since the results have been nothing short of splendid!

-Dan

John Kasaian
6-Mar-2014, 07:08
What wonderful photographs! Thanks for the link to your website.

Alan Gales
6-Mar-2014, 12:32
I picked up a single coated Super Angulon 121mm f/8 lens in an accurate Compur shutter off Ebay for $180.00. It's in great shape except a previous owner engraved a bunch of numbers in the rear element barrel. It will just cover 8x10 straight on so there is plenty of room for 4x5 and 5x7. It makes a nice moderate wide on 4x5.

I have seen others go for a little over $200.00 on Ebay.

John Conway
6-Mar-2014, 17:46
I picked up a single coated Super Angulon 121mm f/8 lens in an accurate Compur shutter off Ebay for $180.00. It's in great shape except a previous owner engraved a bunch of numbers in the rear element barrel. It will just cover 8x10 straight on so there is plenty of room for 4x5 and 5x7. It makes a nice moderate wide on 4x5.

I have seen others go for a little over $200.00 on Ebay.
I have the 121 f/8 and love it. Great for outdoor use on 4x5...so much movement

Alan Gales
8-Mar-2014, 20:12
I have the 121 f/8 and love it. Great for outdoor use on 4x5...so much movement

Yeah, John, I picked up the lens because I thought it would make a cheap ultra wide for 8x10. I have yet to use it for 8x10 but love it for 4x5. It's just like using my 250mm lens on 8x10 or my old 35mm lens on my 35mm camera.

georgetatge
6-Aug-2014, 01:13
Thank you for the compliments, John. Sorry it took me so long to look at the last replies to my query.
All the best,
George

georgetatge
6-Aug-2014, 01:18
Hi Andrew.
I can't seem to find the "FS section". Where is it?
And what are you asking for the 110 lens?
Kindest wishes,
George
ps. If you answer me on my email I will probably see it sooner. george.tatge@gmail.com www.georgetatge.com

Andrew
6-Aug-2014, 02:44
it's filed under "community"
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?27-For-Sale-Wanted

Andrew Plume
6-Aug-2014, 04:10
Hi Andrew.
I can't seem to find the "FS section". Where is it?
And what are you asking for the 110 lens?
Kindest wishes,
George
ps. If you answer me on my email I will probably see it sooner. george.tatge@gmail.com www.georgetatge.com

George

I've since sold the 110mm Schneider XL

regards, andrew

Bill_1856
6-Aug-2014, 05:41
12/17x150=106mm