First ADOX CHS 100 II Shots+ comparison

[Tobias Key]

Well my box of CHS 100 II finally came last week and I persuaded my daughter to pose for a few test shots. At the same time I shot my 5d as a reference and I've posted them here for your evaluation. I've posted the whole images in turn and the crops of the face so you can look at the differences in tonality between panchromatic digital image and the orthopanchromatic Adox. The differences are pretty subtle but my daughter certainly seems to have more freckles when shot with the Adox.

Generally the film was very straightforward to use and the box speed appears accurate. I developed these in Rodinal 1+50 and I got nice negatives with a fine grain, so other developers may reduce the grain even further. Didn't spot any QC issues, emulsion seems to handle like any modern film.



http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3707/10382756475_9d32b3fa9d_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10382756475/)
adoxtest (1) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10382756475/) by Tobias Key (http://www.flickr.com/people/tobykey/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7294/10382505856_bb9bea7778_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10382505856/)
5d comparison shot (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10382505856/) by Tobias Key (http://www.flickr.com/people/tobykey/), on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3767/10382491656_e9f9b2d39b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10382491656/)
adoxtest crop (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10382491656/) by Tobias Key (http://www.flickr.com/people/tobykey/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5499/10382475665_4729a4fcbe.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10382475665/)
5d comparison (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10382475665/) by Tobias Key (http://www.flickr.com/people/tobykey/), on Flickr

[Tobias Key]

Here's a colour version of the crop for reference as well.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2807/10382450764_5fe7d24206.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10382450764/)
Colour comparison (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10382450764/) by Tobias Key (http://www.flickr.com/people/tobykey/), on Flickr

[Daniel Stone]

the film shots seem to have more depth/3D effect. You can determine more "planes" of distance, so to speak. To MY eyes, the digital seems more 2-dimensional, flat, etc...
Especially in the very fine hairs at the top of her forehead. The area around the nose as well.

thank you for the comparison

-Dan

[Michael Alpert]

Tobias,

Thank you for the comparisons. The digital images seem to have (perhaps) too much contrast. But beyond the technical comparison, these are lovely, quiet photographs. They portray your daughter in a very thoughtful and dignified way.

[photobymike]

by golly daniel i think you are right.... i have an ipad gen 4 retina display ...enlarged i saw more tones and perceived sharpness with the Adox...and the canon well looked digital....i really liked the comparison i really could tell the difference. But then again the the different media are using different part of the light spectrum... more freckles = more perceived detail......

[StoneNYC]

I see higher highlights in the digital, which are tamed in the film.

Also. Your daughter has striking eyes!

That's all.

[brouwerkent]

I spoke with freestyle today...and the price for 25 sheets will be 51 dollars! That strikes me as over the top expensive...and is bound to fail...given how good Kodak and Ilford films are.

I loved the Efke films...because they were formerly cheap...and while sometimes funky and soft...the price was right. But since the new Adox is more than Kodak...I would be shocked if this "new" film gets a serious market.

Saddened...and still missing my old friend Efke 25

Cheers!

Phil

[UlbabraB]

Here in Europe is about 30% cheaper than Ilford and Kodak, I'll give it a try hoping it doesn't have the same quality issues of Foma films.

[IanG]

In Europe 5x4" CHS II is 29 euros for a 25 sheet box, that's £24.71/$40.08, that's from Fotoimpex/Adox themselves and includes German VAT (not applicable to exports outside the EU).

That's a big saving compared to Ilford & Kodak.

Ian

[StoneNYC]

Strange how different pricing can be, I agree if it's as much or more than Kodak film, in sheets, then it's probably not going to have a good market here in the US.

I was really excited to try this, but now I'm a little bit bummed out.

Sidenote, EFKE films... yuck. lol! Please take my comments with a grain of salt, I really only shot 127 type films from EFKE because that's the only 127 films available in new stock, well until Ilford had their special ULF run. But every single role that I had had some kind of emulsion issue spots missing emulsion etc. And the grain wasn't nice, kind of soft, and all had "EFKE-itis" talk about poor QC ... You get what you pay for, I will admit that I do complain often about film prices in general, especially when it comes to the films I really like for example Fuji E-6 or Acros100 in sheet form, but ultimately I'd rather simply shoot less be more careful, and get a better result from some high-quality film, than to get a bunch of cheap film and have bad looking images.

This is certainly one of those moments when you should read my tagline underneath my signature :)

[Tobias Key]

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5475/10475158655_c0eccc2226_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10475158655/)
Portrait of Becky (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tobykey/10475158655/) by Tobias Key (http://www.flickr.com/people/tobykey/), on Flickr

Here's another image I was shooting a bit more seriously here, and I have done a bit of photoshopping to get the contrast how I like it, and remove some blemishes, but the tonality is pretty nice on the whole.

[photobymike]

129.95 for 50 sheets is kind of steep (Freestyle). And then you need the special developer to make it work well. But the results are impressive... However Ilford hp+ film is my film of choice right now.... it is very versatile with developer choices and the push capability is super .... My customers like the "grain" effect because it looks like film. The pictures Adox CHS II produces looks like a very good digital camera....Tobias; your picture is super good, I like it a lot... my monitor does not do it justice however.... i cannot see detail in the hair...but i bet it is there.

[renes]

Well my box of CHS 100 II finally came last week and I persuaded my daughter to pose for a few test shots. At the same time I shot my 5d as a reference and I've posted them here for your evaluation. I've posted the whole images in turn and the crops of the face so you can look at the differences in tonality between panchromatic digital image and the orthopanchromatic Adox. The differences are pretty subtle but my daughter certainly seems to have more freckles when shot with the Adox.

Generally the film was very straightforward to use and the box speed appears accurate. I developed these in Rodinal 1+50 and I got nice negatives with a fine grain, so other developers may reduce the grain even further. Didn't spot any QC issues, emulsion seems to handle like any modern film.



Take landscape shots where are more light nuances and you will see much more differences.

[karl french]

Freestyle's prices are generally high. I plan to order it from the Fotoimpex online store, where the 25 sheet box of 8x10 is approximately the same price as a box of Ilford 8x10 in the US. Both of which are a whole lot cheaper than any Kodak 8x10 film.

[Peter Yeti]

Tobias,

Thanks a lot for posting your first tests and results of the new film. Though my monitor doesn't show enough detail to judge it, I just believe you that it's worthwhile trying.

And here is the thing I don't quite understand: Many people pee in their pants, fearing that analogue film may disappear completely very soon and here is a producer who actually develops a NEW product of probably GOOD quality. And what happens? You guys complain about the PRICE! When I first tried the old Adox CMS 100, I was shocked and very frustrated by the poor manufacturing quality (thanks to efke). I actually talked to Mirko Böddecker from Adox and told him that I'd be happy to pay more for this film, if QC would be on a par with other quality producers like Kodak or Ilford but that I wouldn't waste my money on that crap. And it seems that he did exactly what I was wishing for. Plus, the price is still considerably below that of Kodak or Ilford, at least if you buy from the source. Is freestyle trying to kill it?

I certainly will give it a try as soon as I find time...

[StoneNYC]

Tobias,

Thanks a lot for posting your first tests and results of the new film. Though my monitor doesn't show enough detail to judge it, I just believe you that it's worthwhile trying.

And here is the thing I don't quite understand: Many people pee in their pants, fearing that analogue film may disappear completely very soon and here is a producer who actually develops a NEW product of probably GOOD quality. And what happens? You guys complain about the PRICE! When I first tried the old Adox CMS 100, I was shocked and very frustrated by the poor manufacturing quality (thanks to efke). I actually talked to Mirko Böddecker from Adox and told him that I'd be happy to pay more for this film, if QC would be on a par with other quality producers like Kodak or Ilford but that I wouldn't waste my money on that crap. And it seems that he did exactly what I was wishing for. Plus, the price is still considerably below that of Kodak or Ilford, at least if you buy from the source. Is freestyle trying to kill it?

I certainly will give it a try as soon as I find time...

In the US can you buy from the source without paying crazy prices on overseas shipping?

[polyglot]

129.95 for 50 sheets is kind of steep (Freestyle). And then you need the special developer to make it work well. But the results are impressive... However Ilford hp+ film is my film of choice right now.... it is very versatile with developer choices and the push capability is super .... My customers like the "grain" effect because it looks like film. The pictures Adox CHS II produces looks like a very good digital camera....Tobias; your picture is super good, I like it a lot... my monitor does not do it justice however.... i cannot see detail in the hair...but i bet it is there.

Wrong film. We're talking about CHS-100 II which is a replacement for the old Efke 100 which is a fairly modern take on a traditional-grain film while you're talking about CMS 20 which is a high-contrast document film.

Freestyle doesn't have the new CHS-100 in stock yet.

[photobymike]

I have an email announcement from freestyle that said they are getting it in stock soon and the price would be on par with CMS II that is 129.99

[polyglot]

Well that would suck, considering the old stuff was $50/50 in 4x5.

[IanG]

I have an email announcement from freestyle that said they are getting it in stock soon and the price would be on par with CMS II that is 129.99

Something sounds wrong there as CHS II is much less than CMS II from Fotoimpex themselves, roughly 60 euros as opposed to 84.50 euros for 50 sheets.

Ian

[Jan Pedersen]

We can hope that B&H or Adorama will import the line of Adox films so we can get some competition.
I like to buy as much as I can from Freestyle but they have priced themselves out of the film marked for quite some time.

[photobymike]

Something sounds wrong there as CHS II is much less than CMS II from Fotoimpex themselves, roughly 60 euros as opposed to 84.50 euros for 50 sheets.

Ian

well give it a month or two when freestyle gets their stock.....

[StoneNYC]

We can hope that B&H or Adorama will import the line of Adox films so we can get some competition.
I like to buy as much as I can from Freestyle but they have priced themselves out of the film marked for quite some time.

Agreed, it's almost predatory, since the bulk of their new business is students, and so that's often the only place they know of to get film and are told "go here and buy x x x of this for this class" that's my view anyway.

But they have done some amazing things that B&H DOESN'T do like the best prices for the ilford ULF run roll films...

And shipping Rodinal...

So they are good on a lot of things.

[Lenny Eiger]

This is just a pet peeve of mine and not directed at anyone.

So far the first set of tests tom the Adox have all been done in Rodinal. Those who use it may like it, but it doesn't help those who use less radical solutions. I think a test in Xtol, or some Pyro variant would be a much better fit for me. I'd like to see what this film could do, and I'd like to see it in something that didn't use lye as an activator. I don't particularly like grain and I don't want to see it enhanced.

Unfortunately, don't have the time to do the tests myself…

Lenny

[StoneNYC]

This is just a pet peeve of mine and not directed at anyone.

So far the first set of tests tom the Adox have all been done in Rodinal. Those who use it may like it, but it doesn't help those who use less radical solutions. I think a test in Xtol, or some Pyro variant would be a much better fit for me. I'd like to see what this film could do, and I'd like to see it in something that didn't use lye as an activator. I don't particularly like grain and I don't want to see it enhanced.

Unfortunately, don't have the time to do the tests myself…

Lenny

You consider pyro to be less radical?

[Lenny Eiger]

You consider pyro to be less radical?

Dan,
Yes, altho' radical may not have been the right word here. It's radical in the sense that it produces an effect (on the print) that is quite different from the normal range of development options, and Pyro does not.

My goal in printing is a smooth transition from tone to tone. For this reason I have done large format since the '70's, chosen developers with that look and printed in the smoothest technology I could find. I spent a lot of years doing platinum (and am setting up to do it again soon). I like things with atmosphere, where light is the subject. I enjoy looking at older prints. Sutcliffe, Frederick Evans and Clarence White's "Morning" image (printed in gravure) have all taken my breath away. These guys were great printers and they did things that are rarely duplicated today. That's my bias. Everyone has something they are after.

Back in the early 70's I was in school at Pratt. There was plenty going on. 35mm was being used for all sorts of street shooting (we were in NYC, after all). People filed out the neg holders and included the black edge to show that the image wasn't cropped. The film was developed to show a hard edge. Instead of trying like crazy to get rid of grain, some chose to not be ashamed of small camera grain and enhanced it. Those folks often used Rodinal, which etches the edges of the grains and makes them black. As a result, the grain is more visible. It's an aesthetic choice.

I had plenty of respect for this stance but I chose a different path. Printmaking remains a big part part of my aesthetic.

D-76 was a standard I used when I first started and it worked ok. However, it wasn't as smooth because of the amount of solvent in it. I ultimately tried, and used, D-23, Microphen and Pyro. They had a much smoother look. These days I use a lot of Xtol. I plan to do a test with a buddy of mine and get Pyro balanced for my setup. We just have gotten to it.

I think that most people that carry around a large format camera are looking for the smooth look. If one wants smooth, Rodinal is not the best choice. Pyro done right can be as smooth as silk, in many places there is no grain left at all, only dye. People get there in all kinds of ways…

I hope this explains it.


Lenny

[drew.saunders]

I just looked, and Freestyle has a price. http://www.freestylephoto.biz/127145-Adox-CHS-100-II-ISO-100-4x5-25-Sheets
$51.99 for 25 sheets of 4x5. Available late November.

[polyglot]

Nope from me. At that price I'll just keep using Ilford and Kodak for sure.

[Tobias Key]

This is just a pet peeve of mine and not directed at anyone.

So far the first set of tests tom the Adox have all been done in Rodinal. Those who use it may like it, but it doesn't help those who use less radical solutions. I think a test in Xtol, or some Pyro variant would be a much better fit for me. I'd like to see what this film could do, and I'd like to see it in something that didn't use lye as an activator. I don't particularly like grain and I don't want to see it enhanced.

Unfortunately, don't have the time to do the tests myself…

Lenny

Lenny I'm not a huge rodinal fan myself, but I hadn't dev'd my own film for about 15 years before buying this Adox and the wasn't much developing data about so I just went for a one shot developer I could get hold of easily and which I had data for. Historically I've always used D76 or ID11 so I might use one of these for the next batch. Ideally, I would like to have tried Xtol but having to mix up 5 litres put me off.

[Ed Bray]

I just looked, and Freestyle has a price. http://www.freestylephoto.biz/127145-Adox-CHS-100-II-ISO-100-4x5-25-Sheets
$51.99 for 25 sheets of 4x5. Available late November.


Nope from me. At that price I'll just keep using Ilford and Kodak for sure.

The 4x5 price direct from Fotoimpex is 25 Euro without tax which is about $35 so by the time shipping and duty is taken into account and a bit of profit for Freestyle the $50 doesn''t seem too over the top.

Ilford FP4 4x5 in the UK is about £32 without tax so about $48, so the CHS100 II would be cheaper if a good alternative for us.

[photobymike]

Adox CHS 100 II ISO 100 4x5/25 Sheets
#127145 - $51.99
Out of Stock (Due: Nov 22)


wow fifty sheets of 4x5 103.98 i was pretty close on the price

[Michael Kadillak]

Nope from me. At that price I'll just keep using Ilford and Kodak for sure.

I am with you on that one. Ilford is cheaper and a commodity I am familiar with. Kodak is modestly more expensive but again unless this film is smoking good, it will find it challenging to retain market share. Where it could make sense is in the ULF format sizes as special orders. Hoping so...

[StoneNYC]

Would anyone be willing to take a sheet, shoot it at EI 400 and push it there? In something like Rodidnal?

Something about it reminds me of how Neopan 400 might look if pulled to 100.

I know this is probably crazy talk but it might be worth it I it's pushable to 400 with a look "similar-ish" to Neopan ...

I'm not a curves and charts guy so I just know what I see. And I see remnants...

[Peter Yeti]

I'm afraid I repeat myself, but there is absolutely no justification for this price. In Germany it's at least 30% less than FP4+ and freestyle certainly will not pay the 25€ (~$35) price for the end consumer. So, what are they trying to do?

I haven't had the chance to get hold of this film, yet, but I'm anxious to test it. It reportedly is still a silver rich single-layer emulsion and thus unique on today's market. It should be particularly good in the mid tonal values as the old CHS 100 was but now without the crappy emulsion defects. Lets hope that somebody will sell it on the US market for a reasonable price.

[Tobias Key]

I'm afraid I repeat myself, but there is absolutely no justification for this price. In Germany it's at least 30% less than FP4+ and freestyle certainly will not pay the 25€ (~$35) price for the end consumer. So, what are they trying to do?

I haven't had the chance to get hold of this film, yet, but I'm anxious to test it. It reportedly is still a silver rich single-layer emulsion and thus unique on today's market. It should be particularly good in the mid tonal values as the old CHS 100 was but now without the crappy emulsion defects. Lets hope that somebody will sell it on the US market for a reasonable price.

I fear that companies are basing their business models on exploiting the zealots who will keep on purchasing film no matter what. They seem to to have no interest in creating a sustainable ecology for analogue photography. I'm experiencing the same here with prices for ilford film in the UK. It is cheaper to buy ilford film in bulk in the US and reimport it to the UK, how can that possibly make any sense when the film has to make two trips across the Atlantic?

[Peter Yeti]

Oh, how strange, I wasn't aware that Ilford films are sold at dumping prices in the US. I also always assumed that Harman had a genuine interest in keeping analogue photography alive. I know that Adox has. The prices for FP4+ seem really strange because they are highest in the UK, about 20% less in Germany, and roughly 40% less in the US. Does this imply that the British are 20% more stupid than German photographers and 40% more stupid than their US collegues? No offence. Maybe in a niche market standard rules of economy don't apply. Well, let's hope that all these films will get a chance to survive.

Anyhow, I'd be more interested in your experience with the new film. I read that it's supposed to give very nice mid range tonal values. Is this in agreement with your test results? Can you make a comparison to the old Adox CHS 100 regarding development and tonal range? That would be extremely helpful and may convince others to test the film.

[StoneNYC]

Oh, how strange, I wasn't aware that Ilford films are sold at dumping prices in the US. I also always assumed that Harman had a genuine interest in keeping analogue photography alive. I know that Adox has. The prices for FP4+ seem really strange because they are highest in the UK, about 20% less in Germany, and roughly 40% less in the US. Does this imply that the British are 20% more stupid than German photographers and 40% more stupid than their US collegues? No offence. Maybe in a niche market standard rules of economy don't apply. Well, let's hope that all these films will get a chance to survive.

Anyhow, I'd be more interested in your experience with the new film. I read that it's supposed to give very nice mid range tonal values. Is this in agreement with your test results? Can you make a comparison to the old Adox CHS 100 regarding development and tonal range? That would be extremely helpful and may convince others to test the film.

Well despite being partially British, I'm more than happy to graciously allow the British to pay 40% more than me, so that I may pay 40% less ;)

[StoneNYC]

Remember when I said it reminded me of remnants to Neopan 400? Well I wasn't thinking of the review on this thread, I was thinking of THIS review...

http://www.apug.org/forums/showthread.php?t=123794

[Peter Yeti]

Thanks a lot adding that link. This is very interesting information on that film, indeed. Making me want to test this film even more as soon as I find the time. I hope the price issue will be resolved soon for you guys.

[Ed Bray]

Oh, how strange, I wasn't aware that Ilford films are sold at dumping prices in the US. I also always assumed that Harman had a genuine interest in keeping analogue photography alive. I know that Adox has. The prices for FP4+ seem really strange because they are highest in the UK, about 20% less in Germany, and roughly 40% less in the US. Does this imply that the British are 20% more stupid than German photographers and 40% more stupid than their US collegues? No offence. Maybe in a niche market standard rules of economy don't apply. Well, let's hope that all these films will get a chance to survive.

Anyhow, I'd be more interested in your experience with the new film. I read that it's supposed to give very nice mid range tonal values. Is this in agreement with your test results? Can you make a comparison to the old Adox CHS 100 regarding development and tonal range? That would be extremely helpful and may convince others to test the film.

I expect the prices are due to economics of scale. I can easily see how much more Ilford film will be sold in the US and probably Germany than is sold in the UK. We just do not have the user base to compete with the buying power of larger countries.

[Tobias Key]

I expect the prices are due to economics of scale. I can easily see how much more Ilford film will be sold in the US and probably Germany than is sold in the UK. We just do not have the user base to compete with the buying power of larger countries.

Even if they do ship far more film to the US I cannot see how it could be cheaper to ship the film to the US in bulk, then for me to order a few boxes, pay postage back across the Atlantic pay the taxes and still save money. The unit cost for the film must be the same at the factory gates where ever it goes to.

[Ed Bray]

Even if they do ship far more film to the US I cannot see how it could be cheaper to ship the film to the US in bulk, then for me to order a few boxes, pay postage back across the Atlantic pay the taxes and still save money. The unit cost for the film must be the same at the factory gates where ever it goes to.

Not really, how many large companies in the US buy direct from Ilford, they will be ordering the film in thousands of units, whereas in the UK there are lots of shops ordering a few 10s or maybe hundreds of units each. The unit cost per 100 units is probably much higher than the unit cost per thousand or 10s of thousand units, they will also not have VAT to pay and shipping in a full container would work out cheaper per unit again than shipping in the UK.

[Toyon]

Freestyle seems to seek monopoly positions in the American market re: adox, efke etc.. Their aggressive pricing seems to reflect that.

[peter schrager]

I really do not understand why folks here just don't support film. everyone cries like a baby when something is discontinued and then Adox comes out with a brand new film. where is the logic in all this?? the film is probably the cheapest part of the whole process...equipment; travel;misc. I'm glad that I bought lots of kodak film in the nineties but have continued to buy up film from kodak and paper from lodima. vote for film with your wallets not your mouths folks! I bet the new Adox is gorgeous film so go try it and THEN make your comments.. As far as Freestyle goes they have been and continue to be a staunch supporter of film. for years you could have bought re-branded Ilford for very cheap..why give them a bad rap now??
Best, Peter

[StoneNYC]

I really do not understand why folks here just don't support film. everyone cries like a baby when something is discontinued and then Adox comes out with a brand new film. where is the logic in all this?? the film is probably the cheapest part of the whole process...equipment; travel;misc. I'm glad that I bought lots of kodak film in the nineties but have continued to buy up film from kodak and paper from lodima. vote for film with your wallets not your mouths folks! I bet the new Adox is gorgeous film so go try it and THEN make your comments.. As far as Freestyle goes they have been and continue to be a staunch supporter of film. for years you could have bought re-branded Ilford for very cheap..why give them a bad rap now??
Best, Peter

Think it's just the expected cost would be LESS than the kodak stuff, even if only slightly so. Perhaps $39 instead of ilfords $32, not $51, it's just extremely higher than everyone expected.

It's sticker shock.

[karl french]

Depending on the format it costs significantly less than Kodak film.

8x10 Tmax 100 = $9.10 per sheet
8x10 Tmax 400 = $8.50 per sheet
8x10 320TXP = $7.39 per sheet
8x10 Adox CHS 100 II = $4.58 per sheet
8x10 Ilford (Any) $4.00 per sheet

[StoneNYC]

Depending on the format it costs significantly less than Kodak film.

8x10 Tmax 100 = $9.10 per sheet
8x10 Tmax 400 = $8.50 per sheet
8x10 320TXP = $7.39 per sheet
8x10 Adox CHS 100 II = $4.58 per sheet
8x10 Ilford (Any) $4.00 per sheet



Wrong, $175(.99) / 25 = $7 per sheet...

[karl french]

Only at Freestyle.

If you check the price at Fotoimpex it's 83 euro without VAT. Quite a few items can be added to the shopping cart before the 29 euro shipping fee to the US gets bumped up. Of course domestic shipping within the US will be a bit cheaper, but even with the shipping fee from Germany it's cheaper per sheet than Freestyle.

[StoneNYC]

Only at Freestyle.

If you check the price at Fotoimpex it's 83 euro without VAT. Quite a few items can be added to the shopping cart before the 29 euro shipping fee to the US gets bumped up. Of course domestic shipping within the US will be a bit cheaper, but even with the shipping fee from Germany it's cheaper per sheet than Freestyle.

Did you read the thread? The discussion IS about freestyle and the price for US costumers, or rather that's the current debate.

And as someone said, Ilford prices are inexpensive here despite the shipping.

So again the complaint currently is the US price of this film. Not the EU price

[karl french]

Yes, I've followed the thread from the beginning. You're complaining about the price, but are unwilling to order from a cheaper source.

It seems to make sense to me if the only US source is adding a significant markup to the price of the film, then buying it from the cheaper source is the way to go.

[StoneNYC]

Yes, I've followed the thread from the beginning. You're complaining about the price, but are unwilling to order from a cheaper source.

It seems to make sense to me if the only US source is adding a significant markup to the price of the film, then buying it from the cheaper source is the way to go.

Fair enough, I only want one box, I assumed buying one box from there and then shipping it would cost more than to buy here, it won't let me add the film since it isn't in stock yet, so I can't find out shipping.

I'll try it when it comes out, but I can't imagine one box shipped would cost less than here

[Tobias Key]

Fair enough, I only want one box, I assumed buying one box from there and then shipping it would cost more than to buy here, it won't let me add the film since it isn't in stock yet, so I can't find out shipping.

I'll try it when it comes out, but I can't imagine one box shipped would cost less than here

In the good old days we might have got an introductory price, so they had half a chance of building up a user base and make the film viable. I remember ilford bundling free rolls of delta with hp5 multipacks. Why can't adox do a short run of 10 sheet boxes at a good price, get the film into people's hands so it's tested by as many people as possible with as many different workflows as possible and generate a bit of a buzz? Marketing seems to have died with Kodachrome.

[Domingo A. Siliceo]

has somebody done some test with this film using it in alternative processes, such as salt print?