Kickstarter Projects--No Longer Posted Here

[rdenney]

Revised: February 25, 2014

Folks, the moderators have altered how Kickstart campaigns are handled, based on comments in this thread. We have created a Kickstarter Announcements sub-forum in the Community section. Also, we have modified the guidelines to read:


Kickstarter Projects - Kickstarter projects that relate to photography may be announced once, and once only, in the Kickstarter Announcements section. All subsequent discussion of that Kickstarter campaign must be confined to that thread. Projects of no interest to photographers (in the judgement of the moderators) will be removed.

Please no longer announce Kickstarter campaigns in this forum. We will be moving those that are already here to the new forum as time permits, but we will leave forwarding links here when we do.

Rick "respectfully re-submitted" Denney[/s]

[Kirk Gittings]

Question.....what if your not announcing one but just bringing one up for discussion?

[Jim Graves]

One announcement gets a couple of comments and a new rule is needed?

Are we getting JUST a little knee jerk restrictive?

Kickstarter proposals are short-lived and essentially non-commercial ... they don't really fit into the commercial venture category. They are a relatively new phenomenon on this forum ... how 'bout we sort of let it go for a while and then figure out if we really have a "problem" that actually requires moderator intervention.

I have no problem with the 1-thread rule in the announcement or new product section but to ban all other mention in related discussions?

What's the interest ... or harm ... that you are trying to protect us from?

[paulr]

I think the problem is that artists tend to have a lot of artist friends, and so the kickstarter requests never end.

My friend Vince Cianni has an elegant solution. He sent the following with his announcement:


I am sending this to the photographers on my list. Because we are all trying to fund our own projects, I am not asking that you donate to the Kickstarter campaign. However I am asking if you would consider posting on your social media sites, since the success of crowd funding requires reaching as many people as possible.

When I do a kickstarter project, I plan to borrow this approach.

[rdenney]

Question.....what if your not announcing one but just bringing one up for discussion?

I would think it similar to eBay auctions. We've had discussions of items being offered on eBay, but without links and not by the seller. (Announcements by eBay sellers are, of course, prohibited.)

We are talking about Kickstarter announcements by the offeror or or someone representing the offeror.

But that's why I added the bit about gray areas. Let's see how it goes.

Rick "noting that gallery showings, etc., are handled the same way" Denney

[Jim Graves]

... All subsequent discussion of that Kickstarter campaign must be confined to that thread. ....

Then you need to remove the above quoted statement from the rule.

I would give you a couple of examples why ... but I would be violating your rule by posting them here.

[photobymike]

i am sorry i do not know what a kickstarter campaign is...... this is the only blog i use and read. maybe a definition in a few words as it pertains to LF would help

[Kirk Gittings]

Maybe do an online search? It would take you about 5 minutes to know all there is to know. The moderators have enough to do.

[rdenney]

Then you need to remove the above quoted statement from the rule.

I would give you a couple of examples why ... but I would be violating your rule by posting them here.

The discussions that Kirk referred to wouldn't be subsequent to an announcement.

Let's see how it goes. If you actually feel constrained by it, in practice and not just in theory, post it as an issue in the Feedback forum.

Rick "noting again that the question had been called" Denney

[photobymike]

Maybe do an online search? It would take you about 5 minutes to know all there is to know. The moderators have enough to do.

i did do the research ... and why do you the moderators if they are so busy have to deal with this? There is so much to talk about in Large Format photography ... why is this even part of the discussion other than lounge talk.... why here? dono ...just askin....

[ROL]

Question.....what if your not announcing one but just bringing one up for discussion?

That seems like a grey area, exploitable by self serving shills. Good luck, mods. (OTOH, I only wish I had the gnads to ask strangers to KS my hobbies, career, and/or life, but I'm reasonably certain it would be more like Kick Me To The Curb :o)

[photobymike]

are we just bored with taking pictures?

[Kirk Gittings]

i did do the research ... and why do you the moderators if they are so busy have to deal with this? There is so much to talk about in Large Format photography ... why is this even part of the discussion other than lounge talk.... why here? dono ...just askin....

Ok so you type in Kickstarter in the search window. Any number of relevant threads on this forum come up relating to Kickstarter projects that involve Largeformat..........

[photobymike]

3D printer projects, life stories, and guy who wants to wear a helmet camera the rest of his life, lenses for smart phones. sorry dont see it... maybe there is some one who wants to make better and cheaper film than Kodak....boy i sure would not want to put any money in that.... Polaroid film now there is a bust of a business or do they actually make money i dono? impossible project.... ? i am not saying there is not something out there... why here... no i did not spend much time researching large format camera kickstarter ideas.

We make buggy whips in an age of automobiles....thats not bad if you really need a buggy whip you have a cornered market. i am happy with using film and large format camera for my craft. its very narrow and specialised skill that i have. if a whiz bang scanner back was to come along ....I would not have the slightest interest... tried to find that project nada nothing..... back to my original question.... bored with taking pictures are we?

[rdenney]

3D printer projects, life stories, and guy who wants to wear a helmet camera the rest of his life, lenses for smart phones. sorry dont see it... maybe there is some one who wants to make better and cheaper film than Kodak....boy i sure would not want to put any money in that.... Polaroid film now there is a bust of a business or do they actually make money i dono? impossible project.... ? i am not saying there is not something out there... why here... no i did not spend much time researching large format camera kickstarter ideas.

We make buggy whips in an age of automobiles....thats not bad if you really need a buggy whip you have a cornered market. i am happy with using film and large format camera for my craft. its very narrow and specialised skill that i have. if a whiz bang scanner back was to come along ....I would not have the slightest interest... tried to find that project nada nothing..... back to my original question.... bored with taking pictures are we?

Mike,

We've had very successful Kickstarter discussions, such as for the Wanderlust camera, of interest to many large format photographers.

We've also had some that drew complaints as being begathons.

It sounds like people are going to complain either way. But at least we've addressed it, so we have some basis for responding to complaints. Guys, instead of just guessing about how bad is the latest mod action, why don't we wait to see if it actually has any real negative effects?

Rick "a little patience, please" Denney

[rdenney]

A couple of you have tried to PM me on this topic, but my inbox was full. I've cleared it, so try again if you need to.

Rick "who has the same limited PM space as everyone else" Denney

[sanking]

A couple of you have tried to PM me on this topic, but my inbox was full. I've cleared it, so try again if you need to.

Rick "who has the same limited PM space as everyone else" Denney

So long as the thread is open I will say what I have to say here.

While the kickstarter concept is not without some merit I personally find the proliferation of these projects obnoxious so that I am now dealing with them pretty much as I deal with the multiple requests for charitable donations that come my way.

I am not sure about the best approach for the forum but I am glad that the problem is being addressed.

It is pretty amazing how many interesting products that are useful to photographers are being introduced by creative folks from Asia who did not rely on a hand-out from others to turn their idea into reality.

Sandy

[Tin Can]

I do think KS and others do offer, sometimes, tech and style innovation that advance the now archaic art of Large Format. I prefer to live in the past, but appreciate the present and future. At one time, not so long ago, a Forum like this was an novel idea, which many including me, rejected as a waste of time.

[Merg Ross]

So long as the thread is open I will say what I have to say here.

While the kickstarter concept is not without some merit I personally find the proliferation of these projects obnoxious so that I am now dealing with them pretty much as I deal with the multiple requests for charitable donations that come my way.

I am not sure about the best approach for the forum but I am glad that the problem is being addressed.

It is pretty amazing how many interesting products that are useful to photographers are being introduced by creative folks from Asia who did not rely on a hand-out from others to turn their idea into reality.

Sandy

I am glad that you said it, and agree.

In my opinion, this forum is not the place for such requests.

[Jim Becia]

Maybe I am missing something, but I have never viewed Kickstarter as a charitable donation. I have always received a tangible product for my investment. If I don't like the project, my money stays in my pocket. I don't mind the mentions as long as they are related to LF. Heck, why not put a Kickstarter heading in with the FS, Lounge, etc. section, then you could either view it or not. Just my two cents.

[paulr]

i did do the research ... and why do you the moderators if they are so busy have to deal with this? There is so much to talk about in Large Format photography ... why is this even part of the discussion other than lounge talk.... why here? dono ...just askin....

Artists need funding for projects. Crowdsourcing has become one of the most effective sources.

I'm working with an editor on a book project right now. For a photo book today, you generally need three things before approaching a publisher: 1) A great idea; 2) Great work; 3) $20,000, either in cash or pre-orders.

This is not a self-publishing model; it's the conventional publishing model. It reflects what publishers need for a fighting chance at breaking even. That $20,000 cash / pre-orders increasingly comes from crowdsourcing sites, like Kickstarter, Indiegogo, or Emphas.is.

I consider crowdsourcing discussions highly relevant.

[Merg Ross]

Heck, why not put a Kickstarter heading in with the FS, Lounge, etc. section, then you could either view it or not.

Good idea, seems appropriate.

[photobymike]

Highly relevant topics.... i can think of ten that i would like to discussed here. But i would not........we are going to be flooded with this ...yes i to have thought of an art idea i could use 50 thousand for.... most of he people on this forum are "photo geeks" of a special kind.... we are a very small niche of Ansel wannabes ... i am generalizing of course... i am not saying there is no room for that kind of discussion here ..by all means talk it.... we are going to get slammed with spammers if they get a whiff of money. It will dilute the purity of the discussion on this board. Hey i have a new idea all i need is thousand dollars from you..... i get fifty emails a day like this...seriously there will be people joining just for that purpose of spamming... i do envy the moderators... maybe it needs to another topic added to the board? i dono... i get pissed when i see span here... Paul i would consider contributing to your book project if you have a place to lay out the details... maybe the sale/trade section might be the place for this....

[paulr]

i dono... i get pissed when i see spam here... Paul i would consider contributing to your book project if you have a place to lay out the details... maybe the sale/trade section might be the place for this....

I'm as anti-spam as anyone else, which is why I think this is a good topic for the moderators to saddle with rules.

But I'm mostly responding to the question of why we're discussing this at all. I think topics about crowdfunding are important, and probably belong in the business forum.

If I were to actually announce my project here, I'd be really careful about not annoying anyone. Hitting up people for funding—when you can be pretty sure they're trying to fund their own projects—just feels like bad manners. I'll ask other photographers for help getting the word out, via Facebook or whatever. I won't ask them for money.

Re: my own project ... it's not ready yet. It will have minimum LF content, so I'm not going to make a lot of noise about it here. But I appreciate the interest!

[Corran]

Tag...

My partner and I are thinking of a KS to help raise money for our documentary project on the cotton mill I've been posting about...mostly because many local folks are asking, "where can we donate?" I was going to post it here, with the date of the exhibition, simply for announcement purposes, not to pander for money, so I'm interested to know the rules/specifics when they are ironed out (if they change).

[rdenney]

Rick's opinion:

A Kickstarter campaign begins when it is announced and ends when the deadline for new backers is reached and backing is no longer accepted. After that, it's a project, or not. But the rule applies to solicitations for backers during the period in which backing is being accepted by Kickstarter, not to discussions of projects that were funded through Kickstarter and are ongoing, or that are being contemplated with the possibility of Kickstarter funding, outside the solicitation period.

Stated another way, it applies to solicitations for financial support, which is possible only in a period with a defined start and end as required by Kickstarter.

For example, during the Wanderlust thread, there was extended discussion of what the camera might look like and do, including a discussion of alternative designs and potential markets. Then, Ben and Justin started a Kickstarter campaign to solicit backing (in the form of advance purchases). I moved it from the equipment subforum to the New Products subforum. Our new guideline applies at that time--when it is announced.

Then, a month later, the campaign ended. Our new guideline no longer applies. Anyone can talk about the project as a project, or the camera as a camera, in new threads, but (obviously) without solicitation.

The restriction to confine discussion to that one thread applies to campaign talk.

What we don't want are 15 threads announcing the same Kickstarter project. Just as with gallery showings and other such announcements, we are asking that campaigns be announced only once.

That's how I intend to think about it, anyway. The other mods may interpret it a little differently, but I think the issue is with repeated solicitations, not with discussions of ongoing large-format-related projects.

Rick "but we'll see how it goes" Denney

[Darin Boville]

Perhaps a different tone, in addition to greater clarity, in the phrasing of the new rule would be welcomed? Maybe something less hostile? ("So-called kickstarter projects...may be announced once, and once only... must be confined...will be treated as spam.")

I suggest:

"Crowd-source funding announcements (like those on Kickstarter) with significant large format content should be posted in the "Announcements" section. One thread per project, please."

--Darin

[Jim Graves]

Perhaps a different tone, in addition to greater clarity, in the phrasing of the new rule would be welcomed? Maybe something less hostile? ("So-called kickstarter projects...may be announced once, and once only... must be confined...will be treated as spam.")

I suggest:

"Crowd-source funding announcements (like those on Kickstarter) with significant large format content should be posted in the "Announcements" section. One thread per project, please."

--Darin

Excellent idea

[Bill Burk]

I've gotten behind a successfully-funded Kickstarter and am happy to see artists have this venue...

Just like Gallery announcements! I like that approach. And for each member of LFF who chooses that strategy, more power!

[adelorenzo]

It always amazes me how people can get so bent out of shape about Kickstarter. This is the free market at work and most of these flaky projects that seem to get people all riled up typically don't get funded. And heck, if they do then more power to that person and their backers.

Artists, inventors, marketers etc. have always needed to hustle and raise funds for their projects and online crowd-sourcing is just a new way to do it.

I have backed many worthwhile Kickstarter campaigns and I would appreciate hearing about any interesting photography ones from other members of this board.

[Jim Graves]

And, what is the problem with "handouts" (the perjorative term used by naysayers) ... or donations, or gifts, or investments, or contributions, or ...... whatever???

At least with Kickstarter you get to see the proposal, the time for soliciting is strictly limited, if they don't get the requested funds they are sent packing, and there are benefits for those who contribute ... from feeling like part of an interesting project to actually receiving a concrete reward.

I've contributed to two ...

The first was a young lady in Portland, Oregon who wanted to convert a small trailer into a wet-plate dark room to take it on the road ... I loved the idea, she completed the project, and a young person is on the road in LF photography ... and I got a really nice 8x10 salt print of kites on the beach out of the whole deal ... and a large dose of self-satisfaction ... here's the link for the project: LINK (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/80655400/the-tin-gypsy-traveling-photographic-studio-and-la?ref=live) Now, all I have to do is convince her to bring it to Tonapah next October for a workshop!

The 2d was a little crazier but, hey, it's fun to be crazy once in a while ... a 1-year walk across the U.S., by a 22 year-old Yale grad ("Yale grad" added some controversy all by itself), photographing with a 4x5 and maintaining a vow of silence ... that one raised a lot of comment, pro and con. In spite of all the negative comments ... which actually made the whole affair more fun ... it got funded and he has completed about 1200 miles and 2.5 mos. of his journey. My reward for my contribution ... I get to follow his adventures for a year online and I get another 8x10 photo after he's done. Here's a link to the discussion on this forum: LINK (http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?103597-Silent-cross-country-walking-trip-with-a-4x5)

So, if you're feeling curmudgeonly and trying to get yourself off the couch to take a picture ... go to Kickstarter.com ... click on the photography section and start reading all of the great, not-so-great, and truly lousy ideas people have for taking pictures ... you just might get inspired!

We need fewer curmudgeons and more dreamers ... and a "Thanks" to the moderators for taking an open view of these posts.

[mdm]

Me too. I have a superlative Clay Harmon print and soon a Wanderlust 4x5 camera from kickstarter, and the only salt print I have ever seen except my own from a fundraiser on another site. All positive.

[Tin Can]

More dreamers and less naysayers are always a better option. Negative peer pressure is a terrible waste.

Dream big, life is short.

[Jim Cole]

I have supported two Kickstarters and think it's a great way to raise money for a worthy project. My first was the Wanderlust 4x5 which I am really looking forward to getting and because I'm a coffee lover, I supported the Espro Press Medium which makes the best french press coffee I've ever had. Almost zero sediment and it's insulated to keep the second cup nice and hot while you drink the first. Pretty, too! This is the link:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bruceconstantine/the-medium-espro-press?ref=live"]http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bruceconstantine/the-medium-espro-press?ref=live

I will provide more Kickstarter support in the future.

[Tyler Boley]

perhaps those you of fortunate enough to not need income from their art, or not have art as their primary career, are not aware of the dramatically declining opportunities in this culture and economy for artists. Kickstarter has become a new way to make work happen, that otherwise simply has to be abandoned. I just completed one that will finally allow me to complete an edition of an important body of work (to me), and when all is done, I will have made nothing, but I will have completed the work. In exchange the people who have supported are getting stunning prints for a deeply discounted price, and seem thrilled to take part. I suggest those of you expressing opinions about handouts or begging rethink your positions, and realize artists these days need all the support they can muster. If the project has no merit or nothing to offer supporters, it will probably fail anyway. Many of my supporters were photographers, we've always supported each other, buy books, attend events, and buy work when we can. Unfortunately I was not able to put my project in front of some communities because of these kinds of restrictions. I hate being marketed at, and walked a fine line between harrassment and politely informing, it was not fun, we'd all rather just do our work.
I think it would be wonderful if this forum started a category for Kickstarter announcements, those who may be offended need never look there. The rest of us can look there to support or friends, and the arts.
Tyler

[Tin Can]

+1

Many I know use KS or similar successfully, and they do need outreach, in all venues.

[Jim Becia]

perhaps those you of fortunate enough to not need income from their art, or not have art as their primary career, are not aware of the dramatically declining opportunities in this culture and economy for artists. Kickstarter has become a new way to make work happen, that otherwise simply has to be abandoned. I just completed one that will finally allow me to complete an edition of an important body of work (to me), and when all is done, I will have made nothing, but I will have completed the work. In exchange the people who have supported are getting stunning prints for a deeply discounted price, and seem thrilled to take part. I suggest those of you expressing opinions about handouts or begging rethink your positions, and realize artists these days need all the support they can muster. If the project has no merit or nothing to offer supporters, it will probably fail anyway. Many of my supporters were photographers, we've always supported each other, buy books, attend events, and buy work when we can. Unfortunately I was not able to put my project in front of some communities because of these kinds of restrictions. I hate being marketed at, and walked a fine line between harrassment and politely informing, it was not fun, we'd all rather just do our work.
I think it would be wonderful if this forum started a category for Kickstarter announcements, those who may be offended need never look there. The rest of us can look there to support or friends, and the arts.
Tyler

I agree with Tyler here in that it would be nice to see a Kickstarter category for all things photographic, regardless of it being LF. I have supported several Kickstarter programs (including Tyler's) and have enjoyed the benefits and experience of doing so. So maybe the powers that be will consider a Kickstarter section, that way you can decide whether to check or not, much like the Lounge, For Sale, etc. I enjoy helping those photo projects I deem worthy, and also enjoy the benefits received from such projects. Looking forward to the Wanderlust when it makes it into my hands.

[Kirk Gittings]

Well said Tyler. At this point KS projects are a fact of life for artists and should be treated as such here. Give them there own sub-forum.

[Andrew O'Neill]

I think Kickstarter is a Godsend. Now artists have another option for funding rather than going through all the red tape to obtain government grants (a very political game!). I supported the Wanderlust, I'll support more and perhaps one day soon, I'll put out my own project. A sub-forum would be good.

[Kirk Gittings]

I think Kickstarter is a Godsend. Now artists have another option for funding rather than going through all the red tape to obtain government grants (a very political game!). I supported the Wanderlust, I'll support more and perhaps one day soon, I'll put out my own project. A sub-forum would be good.

I've successfully done many government grants but no KS projects-though I have helped (beyond just contributing) with some that have failed and some that have succeeded spectacularly. One example of a gov grant, I once got a 25k NEA grant to fund a project photographing historic NM churches. My proposal with examples ran 100 pages. But I don't think KS projects are all that much different than getting government grants in terms of sheer effort. Nor are they "gameless". Having watched and helped a number of friends do them, some successful and some not, its obvious (to me at least) that there are a lot of games to be played with peoples perceptions of the project and the perception of the originator-marketing games. I've seen damn good projects fail like the one from the Eastern Sierra Center for Photography and patently frivolous ones succeed. And all the massaging of incentives to keep interest up is not unlike red tape in sheer tedium.

[Tin Can]

+1


I think Kickstarter is a Godsend. Now artists have another option for funding rather than going through all the red tape to obtain government grants (a very political game!). I supported the Wanderlust, I'll support more and perhaps one day soon, I'll put out my own project. A sub-forum would be good.

[rdenney]

We're discussing it. It would break long precedent to allow non-LF discussions in the LF forums, so if we added a new Kickstarter-only forum that allowed non-LF (but still photography-related) projects, we'd have to do in the community section next to New Products.

We do already, of course, allow announcements of LF-related Kickstarter projects in this forum right here--"Announcements". Has that proved specifically inadequate to the needs?

Personally, I'm not really in favor of allowing announcements of non-LF projects--this is a noncommercial site and it's already becoming dominated by people selling things. I have always supported LF-related Kickstarter projects (both as a moderator and as a backer). But, as I said, we're discussing it.

Rick "thinking there are other photography forums for other formats" Denney

[Kirk Gittings]

What am I missing here? In the "community" area we already have non-lf sub forums called the Lounge and For Sale/Wanted (and by default therefore the Buyer/Seller Advisories).

[Tin Can]

Keep it LF KS only.

[Andrew O'Neill]

Keep it LF KS only.

+1

[Kirk Gittings]

If you defined that in term of anything photographic that a large format photographer could use in his/her workflow that would be ok I think. For example the lab that posted one here who was making silver laser prints from files. If I hadn't seen that here I would not have known about it as this is one of only two photo forums I visit and the other is pure digital.

[Darin Boville]

I'd like a subforum of some sort if only to enable to more easily browse them. I'd also prefer for "LF" to be defined quite broadly--unless the board is overwhelmed, which hasn't happened yet.

--Darin

[rdenney]

We're pondering a Kickstarter forum in the community section that would allow photo-related announcements "of value to the members" or something like that, similar to the for-sale forum. It would be where all Kickstarter announcements are made, including those specific to LF. Good for those who want to see them in one place, and also for those who wish to avoid them. Would this meet needs?

Rick "still deliberating" Denney

[BradS]

Yes, I'd like to see a place where they are localized. Unfortunately, I think it adds to the burden of the mods....just by virtue of the fact that it is yet another rule that will need to be enforced. So, maybe, in this case fewer rules is better. ?

[rdenney]

Yes, I'd like to see a place where they are localized. Unfortunately, I think it adds to the burden of the mods....just by virtue of the fact that it is yet another rule that will need to be enforced. So, maybe, in this case fewer rules is better. ?

What we are discussing would not be any more difficult to administer, or require more guidelines than where we are now. We would move them around a bit. If we got a flood of Kickstarter promoters who aren't regular forum participants, we'd deal with that then.

Rick "guidelines help maintain focus" Denney

[Sal Santamaura]

...this is a noncommercial site and it's already becoming dominated by people selling things...Becoming?? :D

[Tin Can]

I don't think we are dominated by selling. It's easy, no it isn't, to not read the FS ads.

Not all KS' are just about money. One just came in completed, where they wanted $1 or more to help fund a gunshot sound effects library. Their goal was to gather enough for ammo and gun rental. They did it cheaply and well. Now they are giving away the sound effects, to anyone!

Those darn idealistic college students...

[bob carnie]

I have asked a couple of times in the past , how do I get rid of the FS WTB threads that keep flooding my new posts?


Becoming?? :D

[rdenney]

Please see the revised first posting in this thread. We've added a new forum as discussed above.

Rick "thank you" Denney

[Jim Becia]

Rick,

Thanks to you and the other moderators, I think and hope this will work well.

[ic-racer]

Question.....what if your not announcing one but just bringing one up for discussion?

The problem is that is how spammers work; seemingly innocent initiation of discussion about things for which they have financial interest.

[ic-racer]

i am sorry i do not know what a kickstarter campaign is...... this is the only blog i use and read. maybe a definition in a few words as it pertains to LF would help
It is an internet based panhandling site.

[ic-racer]

I have asked a couple of times in the past , how do I get rid of the FS WTB threads that keep flooding my new posts?

Yes, I'm also waiting for a better solution. For now, try "Search" "Single Content Type" go to the scrolling list at the bottom and select "Subscribed forums" and select "Since Your Last Last Visit" "and Newer"

You can choose your "Subscribed Forums" in "Forum" View by clicking on the green dot for each forum you like (these are saved between visits, that is one good thing).

The problem is that even though you can click "Save Search Preferences" at the bottom, each time you come back to the search screen you are in "Search Multiple Content" (whatever the heck that is) and when you click to "Search Single Content" your "Subscribed Forums" preference has been ignored.

The other problem is that the menu option under "Quick Links" that says "Subscribed Threads" is NOT the same as "Subscribed Forums"

For example whenever I post helpful hints like "...be a man and get an enlarger..." in the DIGITAL section those darn threads keep showing up as "Subscribed Thread" under the quicklink menu whereas the DIGITAL forums are not on my "Subscribed Forum" list.

[keith schreiber]

I have asked a couple of times in the past , how do I get rid of the FS WTB threads that keep flooding my new posts?

Bob,

Use "Unified View". By default it filters out classifieds, lounge, and a couple other things.

Cheers,
Keith

[bob carnie]

thanks Keith and Ic Racer
Bob,

Use "Unified View". By default it filters out classifieds, lounge, and a couple other things.

Cheers,
Keith

[Corran]

For example whenever I post helpful hints like "...be a man and get an enlarger..." in the DIGITAL section those darn threads keep showing up as "Subscribed Thread" under the quicklink menu whereas the DIGITAL forums are not on my "Subscribed Forum" list.

I shouldn't even try to help a curmudgeon with such a poor attitude, but try clicking "Thread Tools" near the top while reading a thread, and then click "unsubscribe from thread."
Then maybe we can have less worthless posts like "get an enlarger" in the digital section.

[Drew Wiley]

There seem to be so many around here that it's getting to be "cry wolf" and nobody is listening anymore. Just got two more in the mail last nite - one the big UC
arts center soliciting membership funds, even though it's still just a giant hole in the ground. Some weeks I get about four such postcards or flyers. Some are small
coops which scrounge up enough money to rent a joint show space for about a month a year. I know some of the people involved, so feel sympathetic, but I doubt
they ever actually break even. In this day and age there are search engine functions that can invade everyone's alleged privacy and target the specific demographic and zip codes you want to go fishing in. Some of these art schools and coops do largely survive on private contributions, and command some surprisingly nice pieces of real estate, but are largely bellyflops in terms of attracting public attention to their in-house galleries. The new UC facility will unquestionably be an exception to that, but that multimillion-dollar building itself is (ouch!) being taxpayer funded anyway. Doubt I'll join. As a UC grad my wife would probably get a discount anyway. Gov't grand seem more about resumes than anything else. But I shouldn't cry foul, cause that's what supported my aunt
and many other prominent artists during the Depression years, and led to a lot of things currently on the Natl Historic Register and in our museums. But there's a
point nowadays where you gotta scratch your head sometimes. Seems like too much of a straightjacket catering to someone else's creative whims. But whatever
works. Its just hard to get anyone's attention in a big urban area like this one where all kinds of people have similar game plans. Maybe somewhere else, where
you've got some elbow room.

[Tin Can]

You guys sure are picky about a free service with no advertising.

However I think we scare a lot of people away...

[Steven Ruttenberg]

Well we are so picky and require people to think a little. You know, use that 12 pound melon between your shoulders for more than sucking in air. :)

[mdarnton]

I'm fine with what the mods do. I may disagree once in a while in a small way, but their work has made this the most civil, information-filled forum I have ever participated in. I'm not going to micromanage someone who's doing such an excellent job.

[Tin Can]

Agree

I wonder if there is anyway to self block entire threads, not people, the whole thread