Adox film sale

[TheToadMen]

Adox CHS 100 II films now also available in several sizes, from 35 mm up to 16x20 INCH. See: http://www.apug.org/forums/forum249/122806-chs-100-ii-35mm-available-plus-additional-sheetfilm-formats.html

[TheToadMen]

Adox-Fotoimpex posted this on the APUG forum yesterday:



CHS 100 II in 35mm available plus additional sheetfilm formats
Tonight the first CHS 100 II 35mm films will go live.
We also extended the range of available sheetfilm formats:
9x12 cm
4x5 INCH
13x18cm/5x7 INCH
8x10 INCH
11x14 INCH
14x17 INCH
16x20 INCH

For the shoplinks (German, english shop is updated on monday), see http://www.apug.org/forums/forum249/122806-chs-100-ii-35mm-available-plus-additional-sheetfilm-formats.html

Nice to see that ULF B&W film is still alife.:p
Bert from Holland
http://thetoadmen.blogspot.nl

[Tin Can]

Great, now we are getting some competition.

Woo Hoo!



Adox CHS 100 II films now also available in several sizes, from 35 mm up to 16x20 INCH. See: http://www.apug.org/forums/forum249/122806-chs-100-ii-35mm-available-plus-additional-sheetfilm-formats.html

[rdenney]

Ken Lee and I were both working on top of each other, but I moved this to a new thread, and undid something he did.

Please post the details of the sale here. Not everyone in this forum has access to APUG, which requires membership.

Edit: Also merged duplicate post to this thread.

Rick "sorry, Ken" Denney

[Regular Rod]

Adox CHS 100 II films now also available in several sizes, from 35 mm up to 16x20 INCH. See: http://www.apug.org/forums/forum249/122806-chs-100-ii-35mm-available-plus-additional-sheetfilm-formats.html

I think they missed an opportunity here. Instead of trying to claw their way back into the market with a film speed that faces all the greatest competition as there are more 100 ISO or thereabouts than any other speed, they should have gone with their CHS 25 Art and cleaned up with a brand new monopoly.

RR

[Tin Can]

Since this was posted by Adox as an ad on APUG, here is a direct copy.

CHS 100 II in 35mm available plus additional sheetfilm formats
Tonight the first CHS 100 II 35mm films will go live.
We also extended the range of available sheetfilm formats:
9x12 cm
4x5 INCH
13x18cm/5x7 INCH
8x10 INCH
11x14 INCH
14x17 INCH
16x20 INCH

Shoplinks (German, english shop is updated on monday):

http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme/a...ilm-13536.html
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme/a...-25-blatt.html
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme/a...-25-blatt.html
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme/a...-5x7-inch.html
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme/a...-25-blatt.html
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme/a...-25-blatt.html
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme/a...-10-blatt.html
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/filme/a...-10-blatt.html

[Sevo]

I think they missed an opportunity here. Instead of trying to claw their way back into the market with a film speed that faces all the greatest competition as there are more 100 ISO or thereabouts than any other speed, they should have gone with their CHS 25 Art and cleaned up with a brand new monopoly.


And how would they have done that now that the maker of CHS 25, Fotokemika, shut down their factory for good? Their own product lines are of an Agfa lineage, quite unsuitable to cast Efke/old Adox-Dupont films on. If any, you might plead for an Agfapan 25 revival (but as that was already terminated years ahead of Agfa falling apart, chances for it are not that good, the tools and formulations are supposed to be lost).

[peter schrager]

correction...you can go on apug but you can't access the classifieds or post in that forum. but why not join for 25 bucks and support analog photography
have a nice day everyone
Peter

[peter schrager]

could someone give us a review of the new film here when they have tried it please!
Best, Peter

[Regular Rod]

And how would they have done that now that the maker of CHS 25, Fotokemika, shut down their factory for good? Their own product lines are of an Agfa lineage, quite unsuitable to cast Efke/old Adox-Dupont films on. If any, you might plead for an Agfapan 25 revival (but as that was already terminated years ahead of Agfa falling apart, chances for it are not that good, the tools and formulations are supposed to be lost).

Well not so long ago they gave us all that marketing talk about making the CHS film again. They have now done so. If they can make CHS 100 in Germany on their own product lines why not make the CHS 25?

There is a market here waiting for someone to produce a high quality 25 ISO panchromatic film in sheet sizes...

RR

[IanG]

could someone give us a review of the new film here when they have tried it please!
Best, Peter


It's only just become available so as yet there's no reviews. It won't be available in the US unless bought direct (and sent air mail) for a couple of months as it'll ship by sea and that's not fast. I know from experience I was involved in importing US made equipment to Europe. It can take a week just for the money transfer something that's instant here in Europe.

The feedback I have is that it'll be similar to the old emulsion but made to far higher standards as it's on ex Agfa coating machinery and has been updated with modern hardening.

Ian

[Tin Can]

Sounds good, I can wait and hope they come to NA.



It's only just become available so as yet there's no reviews. It won't be available in the US unless bought direct (and sent air mail) for a couple of months as it'll ship by sea and that's not fast. I know from experience I was involved in importing US made equipment to Europe. It can take a week just for the money transfer something that's instant here in Europe.

The feedback I have is that it'll be similar to the old emulsion but made to far higher standards as it's on ex Agfa coating machinery and has been updated with modern hardening.

Ian

[Sal Santamaura]

correction...you can go on apug but you can't access the classifieds or post in that forum...Correction to the correction -- APUG non-paying members (non-subscribers) have full access to classified ads there. The only restrictions on non-subscribing members are the inability to access the galleries or advertise their own items in the classifieds.

[vinny]

Correction to the correction -- APUG non-paying members (non-subscribers) have full access to classified ads there. The only restrictions on non-subscribing members are the inability to access the galleries or advertise their own items in the classifieds.

A membership is still required which makes the link less effective for someone who doesn't want to join just to view a post.

[rdenney]

When I followed the link, I landed on a page telling me I had to be a subscriber to go further.

I have nothing against APUG, but this is a non-commercial site and we have guidelines about posting links to information that requires payment to read.

Rick "not a member of APUG, with barely enough time to keep up with forums where he is a member" Denney

[IanG]

When I followed the link, I landed on a page telling me I had to be a subscriber to go further.

I have nothing against APUG, but this is a non-commercial site and we have guidelines about posting links to information that requires payment to read.

Rick "not a member of APUG, with barely enough time to keep up with forums where he is a member" Denney

As a moderator please respect the fact that some Industry stalwarts can't be involved in every forum and Ilford, Adox (Fotoimpex) etc happen to have chosen APUG to be their way of addressing many of us, it's not a commercial site like Photonet but it does have to break even and pay it's way, it's a very much larger site than this one so incurs higher running costs. You constantly post negatively about the site if that's what you want to do then don't do it as a Moderator. here.

People post links to APUG in the general interests of all the membership here, please respect that. No one on APUG EVER knocks this website and and many of us there refer people to this site for it's excellent LF coverage.

Guidelines are fine but common sense more important particularly when both sites have a large common membership (of LF users) and information is cross posted to be helpful to all.

Ian

[Lachlan 717]

Pity they've not listed any 7x17, 8x20 or 12x20; all sizes seemingly "popular" ULFs.

[IanG]

Pity they've not listed any 7x17, 8x20 or 12x20; all sizes seemingly "popular" ULFs.

Try asking Mirko, he's very helpful. Maybe he'll do special orders.

Ian

[rdenney]

I posted negatively? My decision not to be a member there is a slam?

Normally, we don't allow commercial posts at all, except as one-time announcements. So, i moved this post. But we also have this guideline:

"Links to published articles - Direct links (i.e. not through index pages that contain promotional text or blatant advertising) to on-topic published articles are OK to post, as long as those pages are freely available to all (i.e. no paid subscription required), and do not require further contact with the poster to gain access."

I wish only the best to our friends at APUG, but our guidelines are our guidelines. If someone makes an announcement here of something posted there, we ask that they follow the guidelines.

Rick "thank you" Denney

[vinny]

Apug does NOT require a paid subscription to be a member. Members can view the hread posted by the op just fine without spending a dime. Are you guys talking about the sampe apug.org as I am? This thread is derailed, glad I could help.

[TheToadMen]

Hello to all,
Take it easy please and don't get angry. I just posted this thread to let everybody know there is a new ULF film in town. I didn't see no harm in it since there was a substantial discussion about the Ilford Annual ULF run 2013 earlier this year.
I have no commercial ties what so ever to any company and didn't have any commercial intent.
I'm just a (misguided?) analogue film photography lover, who would like to see ULF kept alive.
And I was just happy to see that ADOX makes this possible (amongst others).
So I simply tried to "forward" the info I saw on APUG. I've seen many referrals from here to APUG and vica versa so I didn't see any problem doing this. I thought it was an easy way to share info and show the source of it as well.
I don't see these two forums as competitors, but as complementary to each other.
Sorry for any inconvenience.

[rdenney]

There was no problem with the announcement, and the availability of the film is of general interest, which is why I moved it to its own thread. Posting the specific info here makes it more convenient, and fits our guidelines, that's all. I saw what I saw when I followed the link on my iPhone, but I see now I should have scrolled down and didn't. But then the additional information was posted; problem abundantly solved. Best of luck to everyone.

Rick "carry on" Denney

[Corran]

Cool. Interested to see what the price is after it starts to get sold here, and to see how it compares to the films I use now.

[rcmartins]

Very cool indeed. Yesterday I tried to buy some boxes but unfortunately the 4x5 size is out of stock, probably still has no stock :). I will have to wait. Maybe tomorrow they will make it available. Meanwhile, I was wondering if anyone has any idea of this film's reciprocity capabilities.
raul

[TheToadMen]

Very cool indeed. Yesterday I tried to buy some boxes but unfortunately the 4x5 size is out of stock, probably still has no stock :). I will have to wait. Maybe tomorrow they will make it available. Meanwhile, I was wondering if anyone has any idea of this film's reciprocity capabilities.
raul

If I remember correctly, they will update the website in a few days, so check again within a week or so. I haven't seen info about reciprocity. The data sheet it still very short (and in German).
These are the posted developing times for 35mm film & 120 roll film (sheet film to be developed 10% shorter):

Entwickler/Developer Min.: γ: Bemerkung/Remarks:
ADOX ADONAL 20 °C 1+50 10 0,65 Kleinbild/Rollfilm
ADOX ATOMAL 20 °C Stock 0,65 Kleinbild/Rollfilm
Ilford ID-11 20 °C 1+1 7:30 0,65 Kleinbild/Rollfilm
Kodak D-76 20 °C 1+1 7:30 0,65 Kleinbild/Rollfilm
Kodak HC-110 20 °C A 8 0,65 Kleinbild/Rollfilm
Kodak XTOL 20 °C 1+1 8 0,65 Kleinbild/Rollfilm

"Aufgrund des unterschiedlichen Schichtaufbaus zwischen den Kleinbild-/Rollfilmen und Planfilmen treten
geringfügige Abweichungen in der Entwicklungszeit auf.
Um einen mittleren Gradienten von 0,65 zu erzielen ist der Planfilm ca. 10% kürzer zu entwickeln!"
Roughly translated: Due to the differences in the constructions of the layers of 135 film/roll film and sheet film, there's
a small variation in developing times. To get a medium gradient of 0.65 one should develop sheet film about 10% shorter.

Link to the data sheet (in German) (http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/images/products/media/43100_1_ADOX_CHS_100_TYPII.pdf)

[gevalia]

Guys, if my German is correct, this new CHS 100 II is orthopanchromatic right? CHS25 and Efke PL25 were panchromatic. And not inexpensive at all, my calc says $71.00 a box of 25 sheets shipped to CT USA.

Anyone know the characteristics of orthopan over pan?

Regards,
Ron

[gevalia]

+1 on that


I think they missed an opportunity here. Instead of trying to claw their way back into the market with a film speed that faces all the greatest competition as there are more 100 ISO or thereabouts than any other speed, they should have gone with their CHS 25 Art and cleaned up with a brand new monopoly.

RR

[TheToadMen]

Guys, if my German is correct, this new CHS 100 II is orthopanchromatic right? CHS25 and Efke PL25 were panchromatic. And not inexpensive at all, my calc says $71.00 a box of 25 sheets shipped to CT USA.
Anyone know the characteristics of orthopan over pan?
Regards,
Ron

Ho Ron,
Adox said they'll be shipping to Fotospeed in USA by boat what may take up to six weeks (end October or so?). Maybe this will be a cheaper option for you?

ADOX CHS 100 II is an orthopanchromatically sensitized B/W film.

This is a quote from a reply by Adox (Mirko) posted elsewhere on 24 August, 2013:


Question: I notice that the data sheet describes the film as "orthopanchromatic", which I guess means a reduced red response more or less matching the old Efke films?

Answer: Exactly. Even if Fotokemika was still allive today the films wouldn´t be the same because many components are not manufactured anymore.
We tried to match the old film as closely as possible using what was readily available off the shelve.
It is possible to get even closer but not within less than a years time (unless you spend so much money that I am sceptical anyone would do this).
We were kind of in between the necessity to bring the follow up film fast and match it as closely as possible.
We think that the outcome is very good. All bugs have been fixed:

- A state of the art coating with no defects
- A hardened emulsion
- More speed @ finer grain
- A similar old style single layer emulsion system
- A very similar spectral response including the gap at blue-green (compare the curves old vs. new on the ADOX website)
- The same clear archival PET base
- A new light piping prevention (quite a problem with the old film)
- Improved anti halation (AHU)
- Better confectioning

Mirko

See for tech info: http://www.adox.de/english/ADOX%20Films/CHS100_II/index.html

[andreios]

Pity they've not listed any 7x17, 8x20 or 12x20; all sizes seemingly "popular" ULFs.

I have enquired over on APUG about 13x18cm and 18x24cm formats which interest me and this was the answer I got:


If you want to buy any other format then the ones we have put out already please inquire with Fotoimpex.
We will quote you based on the quantity you need. Alternatively we can keep your inquiry until others ask for the same format. We plan to cut sheetfilm every 4 weeks, so we can collect orders and then make every size you want.
For those of you who need 13x18 as a separate format from 5x7 please give exact aim measurements. We can cut with a precision of +/- 1/10th of a mm.

Thank you all for the feedback,

Mirko

[TheToadMen]

Pity they've not listed any 7x17, 8x20 or 12x20; all sizes seemingly "popular" ULFs.

On the other forum we asked if it was possible to get 18x24 cm sheet film as well. This was the reply from Adox (Mirko):

If you want to buy any other format then the ones we have put out already please inquire with Fotoimpex.
We will quote you based on the quantity you need. Alternatively we can keep your inquiry until others ask for the same format. We plan to cut sheetfilm every 4 weeks, so we can collect orders and then make every size you want.
For those of you who need 13x18 as a separate format from 5x7 please give exact aim measurements. We can cut with a precision of +/- 1/10th of a mm.
Thank you all for the feedback,
Mirko


So grab your chance and po your question at the source: http://www.fotoimpex.de/anglicus/index.html
I'll ask for 18x24 cm sheet film for my old Russian FKD plate camera.

[IanG]

Guys, if my German is correct, this new CHS 100 II is orthopanchromatic right? CHS25 and Efke PL25 were panchromatic. And not inexpensive at all, my calc says $71.00 a box of 25 sheets shipped to CT USA.

Anyone know the characteristics of orthopan over pan?

Regards,
Ron


No the old EFKE/Adox KB/R/PL 25 was orthopanchromatic but it's a misleading term, the reality was they were just less sensitive to red than fully panchromatic emulsions but not red blind like Orthochrpmatic films. The 25 EI was the Tungsten light speed - the daylight speed was 40/50 EI or higher depending on the developer.

Here's a datsheet from the 70's :D when I first began using EFKE films, note they were then known by their DIN (speed) names:

http://lostlabours.co.uk/Uploads/adox-Efke.jpg

Ian

[Roger Cole]

I think they missed an opportunity here. Instead of trying to claw their way back into the market with a film speed that faces all the greatest competition as there are more 100 ISO or thereabouts than any other speed, they should have gone with their CHS 25 Art and cleaned up with a brand new monopoly.

RR

Don't see why they couldn't, they engineered the CHS 100 II to match Efke 100 as closely as possible. Mirko posted about the ongoing process on APUG, so I don't see why they couldn't have done the same with the 25 instead.

That said, I'm glad they went with 100. I might use the 100. I personally just don't have any use for a 25 speed film, though I know some folks do.

[TheToadMen]

I think they missed an opportunity here. Instead of trying to claw their way back into the market with a film speed that faces all the greatest competition as there are more 100 ISO or thereabouts than any other speed, they should have gone with their CHS 25 Art and cleaned up with a brand new monopoly.
RR


Don't see why they couldn't, they engineered the CHS 100 II to match Efke 100 as closely as possible. Mirko posted about the ongoing process on APUG, so I don't see why they couldn't have done the same with the 25 instead.
That said, I'm glad they went with 100. I might use the 100. I personally just don't have any use for a 25 speed film, though I know some folks do.

The film ADOX CMS 20 II is available since last year. See: http://www.adox.de/english/ADOX%20Films/ADOX_Films/ADOX_CMS_Films.html
I think they already challenged the competition enough with an ASA range from 3 to 80 ASA:

If used in pictorial photography the film achieves 20 ASA of usable speed in ADOTECH developer. If used for high contrast purposes the usable speed increases to 80 ASA. If developed in non dedicated low contrast developers (HC 110, cafenol etc) it can be exposed at 3-6 ASA.
However we do not recommend using a different developer and we cannot guarantee for the results.
The film developer combination CMS 20 plus ADOTECH has been brought to perfection in years of research.

[Regular Rod]

The film ADOX CMS 20 II is available since last year. See: http://www.adox.de/english/ADOX%20Films/ADOX_Films/ADOX_CMS_Films.html
I think they already challenged the competition enough with an ASA range from 3 to 80 ASA:

I obviously wasn't making myself clear. I apologise for that. My suggestion is that rather than "challenge the competition", which is usually an expensive and difficult process, to simply go to the market where there is no competition at all and enjoy a monopoly. Hamstringing clients to using just one developer etc. only puts folk off. Make a film to match CHS 25 ART in sheet sizes and reap the rewards of making it very easy for us all to become faithful clients. It was good film although it was a springy thing to work with in 120, it was worth it for the results.

RR

[gevalia]

RR,
I understood you perfectly and agree completely. I used Efke PL25 80% of the time with the other 20% being a mix of Acros at box speed and HP5+ at box speed all souped in PyrocatHD. There are a lot of people that don't use slow film and that's just fine. But for those of us that do, there are no choices left in sheet film. And your point was...there's a market (size unknown but there is a market) and there are no players at all in that market. If they made the film, they would have a possibility of capturing 100% of the market of photographers looking for slow sheet film.

[Lachlan 717]

I have enquired over on APUG about 13x18cm and 18x24cm formats which interest me and this was the answer I got:

Thanks for that.

I'm after 7x17", a (relatively) popular format, which is not listed.

I know the quality of Ilford, the price and when I can get it. Having to chase up price and availability of this new film, added to the unknown quality of it, unfortunately, doesn't give me any reason to switch from Ilford.

[Michael Graves]

When I followed the link, I landed on a page telling me I had to be a subscriber to go further.

I have nothing against APUG, but this is a non-commercial site and we have guidelines about posting links to information that requires payment to read.

Rick "not a member of APUG, with barely enough time to keep up with forums where he is a member" Denney

I had exactly the same problem. And I am not a member.

[IanG]

There's nothing that says you have to be a Subscriber to go further, however it does say you need to be Register if you want to post a reply, which is quite different - in fact in that respect it's exactly the same as this Forum.

This was why I pulled up Rick for his comments because there's no need to pay anything to read the information linked to, subscription to APUG is entirely optional but there are some benefits (not really for discussion here). So I found Ricks comments rather odd and out of place.

Ian

[Roger Cole]

There's also a difference on APUG between being a "member" and "subscriber." Creating an account as a member costs nothing and allows you to do everything except post new threads in the For Sale section and use the galleries. Paying money makes you a subscriber and gives you those functions as well. And messages can be read by anyone without a login, just not replied to. I pasted the link from the OP into another browser that is not logged in (I leave my Firefox logged in to the sites I use so I pasted it into M$ Internet Exploder..) and I can read the thread fine, just with a message at the top saying you have to register before you can post (not read.)

[Roger Cole]

The film ADOX CMS 20 II is available since last year. See: http://www.adox.de/english/ADOX%20Films/ADOX_Films/ADOX_CMS_Films.html
I think they already challenged the competition enough with an ASA range from 3 to 80 ASA:

CMS 20 II is a high contrast copy film needing the special developer to reach normal contrast and it still won't have the look of a conventional continuous tone film (think "something like Tech-Pan, kinda.") That's not what they are asking for.

[TheToadMen]

I had exactly the same problem. And I am not a member.

If you can't/don't want to use the APUG-forum, you can use these direct links to find the info:
http://www.adox.de/english/ADOX%20Films/Fims.html
and
http://www.adox.de/english/ADOX%20Films/CHS100_II/index.html
and
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/system/?func=searchdo&wkid=42936561180517&cache=1379335922&nocache=1379335922


The following formats are announced:
- 135 film (= 35 mm film) (already available)
- 120 roll film
- 9x12 CM (3,55x4,72 inch) (box of 25 sheets)
- 10,2x12,7 CM (4x5 inch) (box of 25 sheets)
- 12,7x17,8 CM (5x7 inch) (box of 25 sheets) (already available)
- 20,3x25,4 CM (8x10 inch) (box of 25 sheets) (already available)
- 27,9x35,6 CM (11x14 inch) (box of 25 sheets)
- 35,6x43,2 CM (14x17 inch) (box of 10 sheets)
- 40,6x50,8 cm (16x20 inch) (box of 10 sheets)

There is still some CHS 100 (type I) film available, like 120 roll film, 35 mm film and 8,26x10,8 cm (3,25x4,25 inch = 1/4 plate).
So make sure you check what you order.

[IanG]

There's also a difference on APUG between being a "member" and "subscriber." Creating an account as a member costs nothing and allows you to do everything except post new threads in the For Sale section and use the galleries. Paying money makes you a subscriber and gives you those functions as well. And messages can be read by anyone without a login, just not replied to. I pasted the link from the OP into another browser that is not logged in (I leave my Firefox logged in to the sites I use so I pasted it into M$ Internet Exploder..) and I can read the thread fine, just with a message at the top saying you have to register before you can post (not read.)

Really for Rick's information anyone reading this forum gets an almost identical yellow highlighted message about registering if they aren't a member. So they might think they have to pay to access this site :D

Ian

[Roger Cole]

Yes but they also get a much larger post right under the yellow box showing the info about Adox. ;)

[Regular Rod]

Well I've checked the prices and in 8x10 it is expensive for an unproven film! For similar money to buy 25 sheets of the CHS 100 II, you can get 50 sheets of 8x10 Fomapan 100. Which, I would have thought, makes winning back a place in this competitive part of the market even harder.

Should have gone for 25 ISO. No competitors and a clamouring market so keen to find a reliable source of 25 ISO film that the previous let downs would all be forgiven and forgotten...

RR

[Michael Graves]

Is there any indication as to whether Freestyle or B&H will bring this film into the US?

[IanG]

I had exactly the same problem. And I am not a member.

Why don't you read Mirko's posts yourself ? You don't need to register as YOU ARE A MEMBER (http://www.apug.org/forums/members/mwgraves) and have been for over 7 years despite your earlier comments.

Let's have some honesty please, it's great that companies like Fotoimpex put money and resources into bringing us new films and papers but it's not acceptable to go knocking other forums that they happen to use to publise their products. There's no animosity between the Forums except perhaps by the odd banned members but those high profile members I can think of have been banned from both in the end.

Ian

[TheToadMen]

Is there any indication as to whether Freestyle or B&H will bring this film into the US?

The official dealers worldwide are listed here: http://www.adox.de/english/WTB/WTB.html
Mirko said a shipload is on its way to Freestyle now, but others might sell it too. Just ask them if they're gonna...

[IanG]

Well I've checked the prices and in 8x10 it is expensive for an unproven film! For similar money to buy 25 sheets of the CHS 100 II, you can get 50 sheets of 8x10 Fomapan 100. Which, I would have thought, makes winning back a place in this competitive part of the market even harder.

Should have gone for 25 ISO. No competitors and a clamouring market so keen to find a reliable source of 25 ISO film that the previous let downs would all be forgiven and forgotten...

RR

Well Kodak make a 50 ISO emulsion but they had the ASA goal-posts tests changed so they could call if Tmax100, ISO allows use either ASA or DIN testing methodology for film speeds.

This is a film based on a slower emulsion than the old EFKE 100 which was a panchromatic 200 EI emulsion in Daylight, so it's a mistake to compare wrongly. There's no need for a 25 ISO emulsion like EFKE/Adox 25 if a newer upgraded emulsion gives a higher film speed with similar results in terms of tonality, grain and sharpness.

Mirko made a statement some time ago stating there was no chance they'd ever try an make a new version of Agfa APX25 which was by far the best of the slow emulsions, sales were so low and key ingredients no longer manufactured.

We have to remember that most film sales are still 35mm and there's almost zero demand for a slow film that's impractical to be used handheld except mid summer. Since I began using Kb14 (now called Kb25) there's been a huge improvement in other films. 40 years ago EFKE films were way ahead in terms of fine grain, sharpness etc but had very poor hardening. Since then though other films have caught up, now it's the chance for the new Adox films coated on ex-Agfa machinery.

Ian

[Regular Rod]

Well Kodak make a 50 ISO emulsion but they had the ASA goal-posts tests changed so they could call if Tmax100, ISO allows use either ASA or DIN testing methodology for film speeds.

This is a film based on a slower emulsion than the old EFKE 100 which was a panchromatic 200 EI emulsion in Daylight, so it's a mistake to compare wrongly. There's no need for a 25 ISO emulsion like EFKE/Adox 25 if a newer upgraded emulsion gives a higher film speed with similar results in terms of tonality, grain and sharpness.

Mirko made a statement some time ago stating there was no chance they'd ever try an make a new version of Agfa APX25 which was by far the best of the slow emulsions, sales were so low and key ingredients no longer manufactured.

We have to remember that most film sales are still 35mm and there's almost zero demand for a slow film that's impractical to be used handheld except mid summer. Since I began using Kb14 (now called Kb25) there's been a huge improvement in other films. 40 years ago EFKE films were way ahead in terms of fine grain, sharpness etc but had very poor hardening. Since then though other films have caught up, now it's the chance for the new Adox films coated on ex-Agfa machinery.

Ian

Are you sure that there is "no need"? It is surely a common method to use long exposures to achieve certain effects, well it used to be when we could get our hands on films with slower emulsions. I think you will find there actually is a need and a demand for a 25 ISO film, just check this thread out http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?106314-Securing-Fresh-Supplies-of-25-ASA-LF-Black-and-White-Film and see for yourself.

RR

[IanG]

Are you sure that there is "no need"? It is surely a common method to use long exposures to achieve certain effects, well it used to be when we could get our hands on films with slower emulsions. I think you will find there actually is a need and a demand for a 25 ISO film, just check this thread out http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?106314-Securing-Fresh-Supplies-of-25-ASA-LF-Black-and-White-Film and see for yourself.

RR

I don't disagree but the old EFKE 25 was not a 25ISO emulsion it was the same practical 50 EI as Tmax100 because the 25 referred to it's Tungsten light speed.

As it happens for more than 30 years I never used an LF film faster than 100 ISO but I do like movement in landscape images if there's some wind, and I will make framented images (multiple exposures) at times. In over 37 years of using LF I've never had a need for a film slower than 50 EI.

Ian

[Regular Rod]

By Gum! What a waste of time (over an hour with no success). I have just found it impossible to buy from FOTOIMPEX. The shopping cart process is a maze of forms and boxes to fill in and when any attempt to pay is made it comes up with error reports saying that the address is wrong. Amazing that everywhere else manages quite nicely. It's as though the FOTOIMPEX website and ordering process has been designed with no input at all from anyone trying to buy from them.

RR

[Regular Rod]

I don't disagree but the old EFKE 25 was not a 25ISO emulsion it was the same practical 50 EI as Tmax100 because the 25 referred to it's Tungsten light speed.

As it happens for more than 30 years I never used an LF film faster than 100 ISO but I do like movement in landscape images if there's some wind, and I will make framented images (multiple exposures) at times. In over 37 years of using LF I've never had a need for a film slower than 50 EI.

Ian

I'm not absolutely clear why the subject of all these old films and their various ways of measuring their speeds has come up. The point I was making was that the company could do better than attack a market with yet another film in the 100 ISO range (or thereabouts) when there is a demand for 25 ISO film and no one making money out of the opportunity.

RR

[Tin Can]

I am waiting for Freestyle to set their price.

[rdenney]

There's nothing that says you have to be a Subscriber to go further, however it does say you need to be Register if you want to post a reply, which is quite different - in fact in that respect it's exactly the same as this Forum.

This was why I pulled up Rick for his comments because there's no need to pay anything to read the information linked to, subscription to APUG is entirely optional but there are some benefits (not really for discussion here). So I found Ricks comments rather odd and out of place.

Ian

Well, you sounded as though you found it hostile, when it really was a simple mistake. And for that apparent assumption of animosity directed towards them, I pulled you up. As you later pointed out, there is no animosity between the forums.

Rick "the subscription request filled the screen of my iPhone, so it was an honest mistake" Denney

[rcmartins]

If I remember correctly, they will update the website in a few days, so check again within a week or so. I haven't seen info about reciprocity. The data sheet it still very short (and in German).
These are the posted developing times for 35mm film & 120 roll film (sheet film to be developed 10% shorter):

Thanks for the information and the link. Albeit the datasheet includes spectral sensitivity and developer times, it does not have any reciprocity information. It's not critical, but they would certainly win me over if the reciprocity failure is somewhere between TMY and Acros. Also, they would also increase their uniqueness since there is a void for good reciprocity films that do not require selling organs or hiring a private detective to buy film (in Europe at least), as seen in another thread.

Today the stock availability status for the 4x5 25 sheet box changed to available at FotoImpex. I did not miss a second and ordered some. If no one puts the info here before once I get the film I will post my reciprocity tests. (the confirmation order email from FotoImpex did not mention a date for delivery).

By Gum! What a waste of time (over an hour with no success). I have just found it impossible to buy from FOTOIMPEX. The shopping cart process is a maze of forms and boxes to fill in and when any attempt to pay is made it comes up with error reports saying that the address is wrong. Amazing that everywhere else manages quite nicely. It's as though the FOTOIMPEX website and ordering process has been designed with no input at all from anyone trying to buy from them.

I had no trouble whatsoever once I switched from safari to firefox. With the safari browser (yes, all mac here) the shopping basket kept loosing the goods.
raul

[IanG]

I'm not absolutely clear why the subject of all these old films and their various ways of measuring their speeds has come up. The point I was making was that the company could do better than attack a market with yet another film in the 100 ISO range (or thereabouts) when there is a demand for 25 ISO film and no one making money out of the opportunity.

RR

You'd need to ask Mirko but in terms of volume the EFKE/Adox 25 was the smaller selling of the 3 films and so Mirko would have taken this into account when deciding what film to manufacture.

The point about the film speed is important because many didn't realise that EFKE and before that Adox used the Tungsten light DIN speed in the naming of the films, EFKE later changed the names to the Tungsten light ASA speeds. When Jessops were distributing the films as their own brand B&W in the UK they were sold as Jessops 50, 100 & 200 which was their Daylight EI. So in comparison to Agfa AP/APX25 the EFKE 25 was not a 25 ISO emulsion and apart from its red sensitivity was closer to Tmax 100.

Agfa dropped APX25 (35mm & 120) because a key component became unavailable and sales were to low to warrant reformulating the emulsion, they'd stopped the sheet film some yeras earlier.

Ian

[Regular Rod]

You'd need to ask Mirko but in terms of volume the EFKE/Adox 25 was the smaller selling of the 3 films and so Mirko would have taken this into account when deciding what film to manufacture.

The point about the film speed is important because many didn't realise that EFKE and before that Adox used the Tungsten light DIN speed in the naming of the films, EFKE later changed the names to the Tungsten light ASA speeds. When Jessops were distributing the films as their own brand B&W in the UK they were sold as Jessops 50, 100 & 200 which was their Daylight EI. So in comparison to Agfa AP/APX25 the EFKE 25 was not a 25 ISO emulsion and apart from its red sensitivity was closer to Tmax 100.

Agfa dropped APX25 (35mm & 120) because a key component became unavailable and sales were to low to warrant reformulating the emulsion, they'd stopped the sheet film some yeras earlier.

Ian

There's a whole lot of difference between continuing to sell their established 100 ISO product then, and now trying to get back into a market, which they dropped out of and where plenty of active competitors have now replaced them...

Easier and more money to be made in a market where there is no competition but plenty of folk who want your product.

RR

[Roger Cole]

I don't think there are "plenty" of folk who want a 25 (or 50) speed film, not in a commercially viable sense of "plenty."

I'm glad to see this film and only wish it were available in 120. Mirko says that will be a while. I will probably try it out if the Freestyle price isn't too bad. I wouldn't have if it had been the 25. YMMV of course.

[Regular Rod]

I don't think there are "plenty" of folk who want a 25 (or 50) speed film, not in a commercially viable sense of "plenty."

I'm glad to see this film and only wish it were available in 120. Mirko says that will be a while. I will probably try it out if the Freestyle price isn't too bad. I wouldn't have if it had been the 25. YMMV of course.

Well the evidence is that even within the tiny fraction of folk who make large format photographs that are members of this forum there is a demand. Check the five pages of this thread. (http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?106314-Securing-Fresh-Supplies-of-25-ASA-LF-Black-and-White-Film)

RR

[IanG]

The major reason for the popularity of EFKE/Adox films was their value for money and in large format that was particularly important because of the range of custom sizes they sold. This made them an important budget alternative to the special Large format runs by Ilford and Kodak.

Sure some people went for EFKE/Adox 25 because it was the sharpest and finest grain of the 3 EFKE films but the reality is that modern emulsions like Tmax 100 are on a par and if Fotoimpex's claims for the new Adox film are correct it'll be a good replacement.

Ian

[Roger Cole]

Well the evidence is that even within the tiny fraction of folk who make large format photographs that are members of this forum there is a demand. Check the five pages of this thread. (http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?106314-Securing-Fresh-Supplies-of-25-ASA-LF-Black-and-White-Film)

RR

I've seen the thread. I know there is some demand. I question whether there is enough to justify continuous production. People like Mirko at Adox are very good at determining this and aiming their offerings accordingly.

[gevalia]

Roger, I don't think you can back that statement up with facts. It's just your opinion.


I don't think there are "plenty" of folk who want a 25 (or 50) speed film, not in a commercially viable sense of "plenty."

[gevalia]

Okay, so it's settled then. Based on those that 'know what we should be doing" on this thread, we all need to change to TMAX100 and 400 because it's the best and there is no reason at all to use anything else. Yeah, I'm laughing pretty hard, can you hear me?

[Roger Cole]

Roger, I don't think you can back that statement up with facts. It's just your opinion.

Yes, it's my opinion. I don't really have to "back it up with facts;" I'm just a guy expressing his opinion, worth what you paid for it, online. The people who really have to back things up with facts are those putting major money on the line in terms of setting up a production run of film.

For those people to whom a 25 speed film is really important I'd suggest writing to Mirko at Adox. Adox is far and away the company most likely to bring a new film like that to market if the demand is sufficient. Convince him and you might get your film. I wish you luck, I really do.


Okay, so it's settled then. Based on those that 'know what we should be doing" on this thread, we all need to change to TMAX100 and 400 because it's the best and there is no reason at all to use anything else. Yeah, I'm laughing pretty hard, can you hear me?

No one has said that. Ian said that TMX is really more of a 50 speed film and so was Efke 25 in daylight. I don't know - I've shot precious little TMX and never shot Efke 100 (or any other speed except the roll of Infrared I still have in a M645 back with half exposed.)

Fomapan 100 is also more of a 50 speed film and inexpensive, especially in the Freestyle store brand. None of these are Efke 25 of course and I understand the loss of a favorite film but we adapt.

I understand why they'd bring the 100 back first. I'm certainly not against them bringing back the 25 or a 1.5 speed film if folks want it, but I do see that a 100 was more logical to bring back first.

[IanG]

Okay, so it's settled then. Based on those that 'know what we should be doing" on this thread, we all need to change to TMAX100 and 400 because it's the best and there is no reason at all to use anything else. Yeah, I'm laughing pretty hard, can you hear me?

No you need to change to an available film that suits your needs. Tmax 100 & 400 are excellent films and after Agfa stopped making APX100 sheet film Tmax100 was my film of choice. However Tmax (and other Kodak b&w films) are not readily available in many parts of the world but Ilford and Foma are.

The bottom line is using films that deliver the results you expect and our choices have dwindled but at least Mirko's giving us another option.

Ian

[JMB]

The major reason for the popularity of EFKE/Adox films was their value for money and in large format that was particularly important because of the range of custom sizes they sold. This made them an important budget alternative to the special Large format runs by Ilford and Kodak.


This certainly sparked my interest in Adox and Efke films initially. But is Fotoimpex really offering the new film at a special value? I did not have a chance to look around too carefully, but I thought that I saw the new film offered in 4x5 on their site at about the same price as Freestyle offers Ilford 100 in 4x5. In the past, it seemed to turn out that the Adox film was not really much of a bargain either. I was afraid to pre-wash some of the Adox films because the contrast would disappear and every once in a while the emulsion would separate from the base too; so I just stopped using them. I guess that the new dog deserves his day, but unless the film is high quality and offered at an attractive value there is not huge motivation for a 4x5, 5x7, 8x10, 11 x 14 or even a 20 x 24 shooter to move from Ilford (or anything else that he manages to get is hands on). I liked the look that I could sometimes get with Efke and Adox, but the suspense was just too much while the film was developing with hopeful shots.

[Roger Cole]

Initial report on APUG was positive from someone who shot and processed some 8x10 sheets.

[rcmartins]

Initial report on APUG was positive from someone who shot and processed some 8x10 sheets.
Following this idea that film is being dispatched at good velocity and already being used, I thought it would be nice to share my experience that they are very fast to process orders. I ordered monday (4x5 sheets) and yesterday received an email from PHOTOIMPEX stating they had already shipped. I am guessing I will have the film before the end of the week. Really nice.
raul

[IanG]

This certainly sparked my interest in Adox and Efke films initially. But is Fotoimpex really offering the new film at a special value? I did not have a chance to look around too carefully, but I thought that I saw the new film offered in 4x5 on their site at about the same price as Freestyle offers Ilford 100 in 4x5. In the past, it seemed to turn out that the Adox film was not really much of a bargain either. I was afraid to pre-wash some of the Adox films because the contrast would disappear and every once in a while the emulsion would separate from the base too; so I just stopped using them. I guess that the new dog deserves his day, but unless the film is high quality and offered at an attractive value there is not huge motivation for a 4x5, 5x7, 8x10, 11 x 14 or even a 20 x 24 shooter to move from Ilford (or anything else that he manages to get is hands on). I liked the look that I could sometimes get with Efke and Adox, but the suspense was just too much while the film was developing with hopeful shots.

The new Adox CHS II is about 2/3rds the price of Ilford sheet film in Europe. US/EU prices are quite different though - some Ilford sheet films from B&H are around half the price we pay here (UK). You'll have to wait and see what Freestyle charge.

Mirko has said the new emulsion has modern hardening, it was awful when I first used EFKE films in the 70's and only improved slightly more recently. I used to add a few drops of formaldehyde to the developer, or use a hardening stop-bath, but I found that Pyrocat HD has enough tanning action to help harden the emulsion.

Ian

[TheToadMen]

Following this idea that film is being dispatched at good velocity and already being used, I thought it would be nice to share my experience that they are very fast to process orders. I ordered monday (4x5 sheets) and yesterday received an email from PHOTOIMPEX stating they had already shipped. I am guessing I will have the film before the end of the week. Really nice.
raul

So you will be posting examples on Monday? :rolleyes:
Yummy!!

[JMB]

The new Adox CHS II is about 2/3rds the price of Ilford sheet film in Europe. US/EU prices are quite different though - some Ilford sheet films from B&H are around half the price we pay here (UK). You'll have to wait and see what Freestyle charge.

Interesting. But if I have the price right from the Fotoimpex site for 4x5 sheets, it seems that they are not inclined to offer a price better than the Freestyle price for Ilford 100. I mean it has to cost something to ship the Ilford product from England to the USA. And it cannot cost Fotoimpex too much to ship the new film to itself. Hence, so far I do not see any signs that Fotoimpex intends to offer the film at a special value. It appears that it wants to compete heads up with Ilford and others as an equally priced item. And if that is the case, then it will have to compete exclusively on the basis of desired features and quality. We'll see.

[Regular Rod]

All this has led me to buying a box of their CMS 20 II...

If I can get it to work with the developer of MY choice and not theirs - well then - my cup runneth over! :)

I did like their old CHS 25 Art though and that worked perfectly with the developers I prefer...

RR

[TheToadMen]

All this has led me to buying a box of their CMS 20 II...

If I can get it to work with the developer of MY choice and not theirs - well then - my cup runneth over! :)

I did like their old CHS 25 Art though and that worked perfectly with the developers I prefer...

RR

Please let me know how this film works out for you.
I was looking at it too.
Bert from Holland

[rcmartins]

So you will be posting examples on Monday? :rolleyes:
Yummy!!
If I receive it I most certainly will :)

All this has led me to buying a box of their CMS 20 II...
I too am interested in that film but have lacked the courage to try it. I certainly would consider using it if it worked with the likes of rodinal, pyrocat or hc110.
Raul

[Regular Rod]

If I receive it I most certainly will :)

I too am interested in that film but have lacked the courage to try it. I certainly would consider using it if it worked with the likes of rodinal, pyrocat or hc110.
Raul

I will come back with the results no matter how good, bad or indifferent they may be...

RR

[TheToadMen]

If I receive it I most certainly will :)
I too am interested in that film but have lacked the courage to try it. I certainly would consider using it if it worked with the likes of rodinal, pyrocat or hc110.
Raul

You made me curious about other developers too. I saw a recommendation for developers like HC110 or cafenol to expose at ISO 6-12.
I found some examples for CMS 20 II in Rodinal:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121139
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertklurfield/sets/72157630370897812/detail/

[rcmartins]

You made me curious about other developers too. I saw a recommendation for developers like HC110 or cafenol to expose at ISO 6-12.
I found some examples for CMS 20 II in Rodinal:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121139
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertklurfield/sets/72157630370897812/detail/
Thank you very much for the links. I definitely have to try it. Those examples were developed with the exact same semi-stand procedure I use with Rodinal, except for a dilution 1:200 instead of 1:100 as I usually go for. The midtones are there albeit still a bit contrasty for my taste. That is something that I guess can be tamed to an extent by increasing the dilution, decreasing the development time or both. The EI of 6 for Rodinal is a bit of a nuisance, though. That was the thing that bothered me a bit with the Efke 25. With Rodinal I got an EI of 20, which made it hard to use in some situations. An EI of 6 is almost 2 stops worse....iiaaiiicckksss
Raul

[rcmartins]

Only last tuesday did I receive the Adox CHS 100II film. This weekend I did not have time to try the film, but did make a quick densitometry test to assess speed and development parameters. I will just give some first impressions.
- each sheet pack is made out of an external box with an inside single sided box within which is a foil bag (sorry for my English)
- contrary to what is usual there is no cardboard protection on either side of the sheet pack. If you go inside the foil bag with your bare hands be careful not to leave fingerprints in the film (I use nitrile gloves). I would have liked the cardboards since I use them for dodging and burning masks, but it isn't a big deal.
- between each sheet Adox has put a thin black paper-like sheet. Efke used to put white protection sheets
- it has a higher speed than Fomapan 100 in my setup. Using PyrocatHD semi-stand, I get a daylight EI of 100 for Adox CHS 100II while for Fomapan I get a daylight EI of 80.
While I did not shoot any photograph, I was vey positively impressed with the cleanliness of the step-wedge densities - I got very clean curves from each of the 4 sheets I used. I am anxious to try it out...Also, no defects at all in the emulsion.
raul

[Tobias Key]

Only last tuesday did I receive the Adox CHS 100II film. This weekend I did not have time to try the film, but did make a quick densitometry test to assess speed and development parameters. I will just give some first impressions.
- each sheet pack is made out of an external box with an inside single sided box within which is a foil bag (sorry for my English)
- contrary to what is usual there is no cardboard protection on either side of the sheet pack. If you go inside the foil bag with your bare hands be careful not to leave fingerprints in the film (I use nitrile gloves). I would have liked the cardboards since I use them for dodging and burning masks, but it isn't a big deal.
- between each sheet Adox has put a thin black paper-like sheet. Efke used to put white protection sheets
- it has a higher speed than Fomapan 100 in my setup. Using PyrocatHD semi-stand, I get a daylight EI of 100 for Adox CHS 100II while for Fomapan I get a daylight EI of 80.
While I did not shoot any photograph, I was vey positively impressed with the cleanliness of the step-wedge densities - I got very clean curves from each of the 4 sheets I used. I am anxious to try it out...Also, no defects at all in the emulsion.
raul

Is the emulsion harder and less prone to damage than the old emulsions were - I was think of using this film and sending it to a commercial lab.

[Roger Hesketh]

It is nice to have some good news for a change. Over the last few years it would seem to me that we have had announcements about the discontinuation of various film emulsions for Large Format use with depressing regularity. I wish the makers of this film all the best with their venture.

[rcmartins]

Is the emulsion harder and less prone to damage than the old emulsions were - I was think of using this film and sending it to a commercial lab.
I would like to help out and give some pointers on that, but don't really know how. The sheets came out really nice without any scratch, peeling or spot deffects but don't know how to measure it. If you know of any specific test you would do, besides taking the film to a lab, I can try.
raul

[Tobias Key]

Thanks but don't worry. I've emailed adox and hopefully they'll give me an answer that I can post here.

[rcmartins]

Just placed a photo taken with the Adox CHS 100II film in the "Post your churches" thread (here (http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?41487-Post-your-churches))
raul

[Toyon]

Talked with Freestyle a few days ago. They are getting in this film at the end of the month.

[vinny]

They still don't have any at freestyle but I agree with others and I just don't see the point in making ANOTHER iso 100 film if it isn't something drastically different, especially at prices almost double ilford's prices. $175 for 25 sheets of 8x10. Then there's the issue of consistently having it in stock. I don't know about their warehouse but the retail store (on sunset*)keeps their b+w sheet film out on the shelves, not in a fridge.




*they've looked at me like I have two heads when I've questioned this practice since there's plenty of room in the fridge behind the counter. Maybe I DO have two heads.

[ramon]

They still don't have any at freestyle but I agree with others and I just don't see the point in making ANOTHER iso 100 film if it isn't something drastically different, especially at prices almost double ilford's prices. $175 for 25 sheets of 8x10.

Did you take a look at germany film stores? I did the exercise (for 8x10 ISO film at fotoimpex and macodirect).

FOMAPAN (CZ), ADOX (DE), DELTA (UK), TMAX (US) (no japanese film !)

a) 2.36 euros per sheet
b) 3.96 euros per sheet
c) 6.20 .. 6.56 euros per sheet
d) 8.15 euros per sheet

Can you guess which one?

(You can also make the same exercise for japanese market. I am sure that japanese people also wonder why Kodak, Ilford, and even FOMA are still making film specially at that high price)

[Regular Rod]

Please let me know how this film works out for you.
I was looking at it too.
Bert from Holland

Well I must apologise for the long time I took to get out and use the CMS 20. I used OBSIDIAN AQUA to develop it. I also used a Y2 filter because the day was so dull and overcast. In hindsight I don't think it was all that necessary as the film has plenty of contrast inbuilt. The grain is almost invisible. I have a lot of work to do to fine tune this but I developed this one at my usual routine for any other film and from this result I think I will extend the development time, increase the dilution and stand for longer periods than the two minute gaps I use now. I will also increase exposure somewhat.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2806/11439368024_814da553a5_o.jpg

RR

[Ed Bray]

Rod, what are the reciprocity times like of the new film?

One of the big advantages of the old film was its very good reciprocity adjustment times, in fact once you got into low light levels it could end up giving a faster exposure time than some ISO 100 films.

[Regular Rod]

Rod, what are the reciprocity times like of the new film?

One of the big advantages of the old film was its very good reciprocity adjustment times, in fact once you got into low light levels it could end up giving a faster exposure time than some ISO 100 films.

I had no table for CMS 20 so used the same factors I used to use for CHS 25 Art and I think its not far off. OBSIDIAN AQUA just about compensates for my lack of absolute accuracy.

RR

[karl french]

Rod, the image was shot on CMS 20 not CHS 100 II, correct?

[Regular Rod]

Correct CMS 20 not CHS 100 II

I've got lots of excellent 100 ISO film already so don't need CHS 100 II, it was the quest for a usable slow fine grain film that got me trying CMS 20. I reckon OBSIDIAN AQUA will be fine with it after a few more tries.

RR

[karl french]

I'm waiting on my first box of 8x10 CHS 100 II. I'll post results once I get out to shoot some of it.

[karl french]

3 weeks door to door from Berlin to San Francisco. Most of that was in US Customs. $114 for the 25 sheet box of 8x10. $40 for shipping (which included a box of Adox paper and another box of Foma 8x10 film.) My holders are full of Fortepan 400 and Fomapan 100 right now, but once I shoot that I'll load and shoot some of this Adox CHS 100 II.

[Regular Rod]

the word is film. No one has ever gone to a photo store and bought a box of 8x10 analog.

It is the pixelographers who need to adjust their terminology and thinking, not film photographers. The continued bastardization of photographic terminology by pixelographers shows a distinct lack of imagination.

+1

rr

[Corran]

Who cares, that is pedantry of the worst kind.

[stray_227]

Any early results or thoughts so far?

[JMB]

I care. There is important content in the language game. I shoot film. And the material itself (film or emulsion coated paper) is the level of examination that is most important to me in terms of artistic standards and aesthetic impact.

Meanwhile, I, too, am a little curious to see more examples of the CHS 100 II. But I have to say that the price is not so far a special magnet for my own tests and there does not otherwise seem to be an independent warrant to expect anything unique from the film.


Who cares, that is pedantry of the worst kind.

[karl french]

Well, if it's anything like the old Efke PL100M/Adox CHS 100 with better quality control I'll be happy.

The packaging is nice. A good solid box, which feels like it has a nested box inside. Unlike the Foma 8x10 film boxes, which just have regular box with a heavy duty plastic bag holding the film. I haven't broken the seal on the box CHS100 II yet. Still shooting my holders with Fortepan and Fomapan.

[Michael W]

Any early results or thoughts so far?
I've exposed 6 or so sheets in 4x5 in comparison with FP4. The Adox film looks very much like FP4 in regards to resolution, tonality and RGB response, so it's a good quality film. However considering that I can regularly buy FP4 for much less than the Adox I will stick with the Ilford as a quality slow sheet film. I was processing both in Rodinal and find that CHS II is good at 100 ISO and FP4 at 125.

[karl french]

I'll be curious to see the result of that comparison myself as I have 25 sheets of FP4+ to process. It's a tough price niche for for the Adox to inhabit as it's right between Ilford and Kodak in that regard. I do want to support Mirko in his efforts to bring a new film to market.

[Michael W]

http://whystoptime.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/fp4-vs-adoxchsii-combined-suzuki-tree3.jpg

Here is one comparison I made, both processed in Rodinal 1+50. CHS II rated at 100 and FP4 rated at 125. There are some odd marks in the sky on the Adox, upper right side - no idea what these are, more likely to be my fault than some film problem. I've downsized this jpeg so it fits on the screen - the original scans are much bigger so I can look in detail at the dark and light areas and there is not much difference between the two films. A few months ago I was comparing FP4 to Foma 200 and the differences were significant, with Ilford being superior.

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Karl,

Who did they use for shipping? Do you have any idea why US customs apparently took so long? Also, what if anything were the customs or other charges (e.g. local taxes)? I am planning to import some paper, so I am particularly interested in your experience with customs. Thank you! And good luck with your testing.


[QUOTE=karl french;1093991]3 weeks door to door from Berlin to San Francisco. Most of that was in US Customs. $114 for the 25 sheet box of 8x10. $40 for shipping ]

[karl french]

They ship via DHL which then hands it off to the USPS for delivery. The time in customs was pretty typical in my experience for film. My last order from Maco Direct (as opposed to Fotoimpex) took almost exactly the same time. I'm not sure why lenses and such seem to get through US Customs faster. No additional charges.

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Thank you!

[karl french]

I should also note that my shipping charge was a little bit more expensive because I opted to pay with Paypal. Just seemed easier to me.

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I should also note that my shipping charge was a little bit more expensive because I opted to pay with Paypal. Just seemed easier to me.

Okay. Got it. Not sure yet how I will handle shipping. Thanks again.