Securing Fresh Supplies of 25 ASA LF Black and White Film

[Regular Rod]

This forum has many participants. Just how influential might the membership be? Over the last couple of days I have been searching for slow speed panchromatic film in 8x10 and 4x5 sheets and (if possible) 120 Rolls. It is old news that EFKE, ADOX et al have simply dropped from the market and are unlikely to return. For those of us without a lifetime supply stashed in cold storage what can we do except buy the odd lot that is occasionally made available, out-of-date, unguaranteed and over-priced?

One company approached was b+g Banse und Grohmann GmbH who sent me a price list. There listed was sheet film in every inch size that ever there was, including 20x24, and the prices were very reasonable. I immediately asked to order some 8x10 and 4x5 of their product NP15, which is panchromatic 25 ASA. The reply came back that they could only supply 100 ASA. This not being what was wanted I asked if the lack of 25 ASA was permanent or if there may be some available in future. The reply came back that due to a lack of funds they couldn't make any more NP15... Naturally my next request was "How much money do you need?" "€30,000..." This was so they could make a jumbo roll that is then cut to sheets. OK I haven't got a spare €30,000, I bet not many of us have. However, could a consortium of forum members be formed to make it worth this small scale manufacturer's while to make this film available again? We would be offering a sure bet to the company and at the same time securing a supply of sheet film of 25 ASA with traditional high silver content. In effect we would simply be offering to place "making orders" on b+g Banse und Grohmann GmbH.

If enough of us believe this to be worth trying, how do we go about it? Is anyone interested?

RR

[Mark Woods]

Put the goal on Kickstarter with the various amounts put into the fund going to the purchase of a given quantity of film & format. You'd have to get a breakdown of prices so individuals would know what they have to put in for the film they want.

[hendrik faure]

I am highly interested. The film gives optimal results with Tannol- development is best for Guillotine- and MMC- shutter.
I telephoned to Mr. Grohmann: 30.000€ in advance is right. It would not be necessary to specify in advance the formates, this can be done (in reasonable amounts) individually after the production of the film, so you get what formates ever you want for your money.
I have bought for years from B&G (they are some 50 miles from me) and they are sometimes slow, sometimes fast, but were always reliable. By the way, they offer orthochromatic glass plates.
hfa

[Andrew O'Neill]

I would support this! Putting it on Kickstarter is a good idea.

[Mark Woods]

An individual could "donate" to kickstarter based on the square footage s/he expected to be produced. For example, it costs the same to make the sheets regardless of how they're cut. So what we pay for is the real estate of the total amount of what we want in the desired format.

[Oren Grad]

Folks, read the Kickstarter guidelines. For starters, it's currently open only to ventures in the US, UK and Canada. But more fundamentally, KS was established to enable funding of new "creative projects", not production runs and volume sales of established products.

Talk to Keith Canham or Freestyle. But keep in mind that €30,000 is more than double what Canham has to raise for one of his Kodak special orders.

EDIT: And a question: is €30,000 the price for finished product (boxes of cut sheets) or just the cost to coat a master roll, after which additional funds would be required for finishing to specific formats?

[mdm]

Its a wonderful film. I got 50 sheets. I would support some sort of 'kickstarter' style fundraising, specially if the film is cheap and available in 5x7, whole plate and 11x14. 60 people with 500 euros, a tall order maybe but very possible.

[UlbabraB]

Wephota NP15 was Efke 25 (and NP22 is Fomapan 100), I'm wondering if they have found a master roll somewhere or they can run a last 25 ASA batch in Efke's factory. Anyway count me in, I'd like some 5x7, 8x10, 8,5x15 and 14x17 boxes and Kickstarter seems a viable option for this project!

[Regular Rod]

Rather than adding another layer of complication to things such as a Kickstarter campaign (for which this is probably not eligible) could we not instead simply go straight to the company?

There is a real need for a panchromatic, high-quality, 25 ASA film. This company can supply it but they are somehow divorced from their potential clients, who are spread over the surface of the globe. Our difficulty arises in that not one of us requires 30,000 Eurosworth of film for our own use.

However, even in this one puny thread, we have identified several of us who would be happy to buy SOME of the film in sizes to suit our individual needs. How about we each state on here how many sheets, in whatever sizes, that we would be prepared to buy of this film (called NP15)? If the thread looks as though we have enough requirement to equate to the 30,000 € then one of us, preferably fluent in German, could re-approach the company and find out how we go about consolidating our needs into one big fat making order.

The prices are as below:

Packungen a' 25 Blatt (This means 25 sheets in a pack)

Format / inch - NP 15 (25 ASA) - ohne MwSt. - mit MwSt.

2 ½ x 3 ½____________________7.97 €______ 9.48 €

3 ¼ x 4 ¼ __________________12.57 €_____14.96 €

3 ½ x 5 ½___________________14.32 €_____17.04 €

4 x 5_______________________13.80 €_____16.42 €

4 ¾ x 6 ½___________________23.63 €_____28.12 €

5 x 7_______________________20.50 €_____24.40 €

8 x 10______________________51.45 €_____61.23 €

10 x 12____________________109.20 €____129.95 €

10 x 15____________________135,14 €____160,82 €

8,5 x 15___________________114.45 €____136.20 €

11 x 14___________________140.15 €____166.78 €

12 x 15___________________163.82 €____194.95 €

14 x 17___________________216.61 €____257.77 €

12 x 20___________________218.44 €____259.94 €

20 x 24___________________436.84 €____519.84 €

I think the lower price is without VAT and would apply to non-EU buyers. The rest of us get the higher prices in the right hand column.


Maybe a story-free post from each of us that simply states the sizes and quantities wanted with the prices and then total price at the end? That will make it easy to keep track of the "demand". If and when the total looks attainable then we can contact the company and introduce them to a whole new group of clients from around the world...


RR

[Regular Rod]

8 Boxes of 25 sheets 4x5 of NP 15 @ 16.42 € per box = 131.36 €
4 Boxes of 25 sheets 8x10 of NP15 @ 61.23 € per box = 244.92 €
__________________________________Total Order = 376.28 €

[Chuck Pere]

How about a short discussion about why this ASA 25 film is better than the current sheet film available. Curve shape, color response etc. Or is it just able to easily get a higher contrast for alt process use. More people might be interested if they knew the advantages.

[Regular Rod]

What panchromatic film of 25 ASA is available in 8x10, 4x5 and 120?

RR

[UlbabraB]

How about a short discussion about why this ASA 25 film is better than the current sheet film available. Curve shape, color response etc. Or is it just able to easily get a higher contrast for alt process use. More people might be interested if they knew the advantages.

I find Efke 25/Wephota NP15 perfect for alt process printing: it's easy to obtain a high DR (>= 2.0) negative without losing nice details in the high density zones. Plus the low ASA makes easier the lens-cap-shutter tecnique with old barrel lenses :-)
It was also a lot cheaper than other films in ULF format (at least here in Europe)...actually I switched to X-Ray films for formats >= 8x10 after Efke "death" for the same reasons.

[Eric Biggerstaff]

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/category/2-Film/Black-and-White-Film?attr%5B%5D=2-9

May not be what you are looking for but...............

[Regular Rod]

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/category/2-Film/Black-and-White-Film?attr%5B%5D=2-9

May not be what you are looking for but...............


That's the point. We have no supply of 25 ASA Panchromatic Film. Here. I thought, was a chance to get some, fresh and reasonably priced too. It would seem that I may be in a minority of one. Never mind it was nearly worth the effort.

RR

[Mark Woods]

RR, don't get discouraged. I'd like to join in, but I'm not sure how many others are interested.

[Jim Fitzgerald]

I shoot Efke-25 exclusively! I have it in 3 of the four sizes I shoot. The only one I could not get it in was 14x17. It has given me negatives, several of them with amazing density range. I'm talking into the 3.00+ without loosing detail in the highlights. Pyro developer and carbon printing gets me everything on the negative. I've got the prints to prove it. I'm in!!

[Regular Rod]

RR, don't get discouraged. I'd like to join in, but I'm not sure how many others are interested.

List your requirements as per post http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?106314-Securing-Fresh-Supplies-of-25-ASA-LF-Black-and-White-Film&p=1058612&viewfull=1#post1058612 and that will be two of us. 100 could do it!

RR

[Mark Woods]

100 Sheets of 10x8 film.

[Jim Fitzgerald]

Okay, 4 boxes of 8x10 @ 51.45 per box = 205.80. Can't do the 14x17. Just too much. Can they do any 8x20?

[David Aimone]

I could easily commit to the following, <maybe> even more:

10 boxes of 4 x 5_______________________13.80 €_____16.42 €

5 boxes of 5 x 7_______________________20.50 €_____24.40 €

[Curt]

How about a short discussion about why this ASA 25 film is better than the current sheet film available. Curve shape, color response etc. Or is it just able to easily get a higher contrast for alt process use. More people might be interested if they knew the advantages.

It exists.

[Regular Rod]

I could easily commit to the following, <maybe> even more:

10 boxes of 4 x 5_______________________13.80 €_____16.42 €

5 boxes of 5 x 7_______________________20.50 €_____24.40 €

Could you extend the sub totals and provide the overall total please? A bit like this?



8 Boxes of 25 sheets 4x5 of NP 15 @ 16.42 € per box = 131.36 €
4 Boxes of 25 sheets 8x10 of NP15 @ 61.23 € per box = 244.92 €
__________________________________Total Order = 376.28 €




It will make it easier to go through them later when we are totting up.


RR

[Mark Woods]

4 boxes 8 x 10______________________51.45 € = 205.80 I'm in Pasadena CA, hopefully no VAT

[Curt]

11 x 14___________________140.15 €

140.15 € = $193.84

[2] boxes, 50 sheets

[Curt]

2 ½ x 3 ½____________________7.97 €______ 9.48 €

7.97€ = $10.64

10 boxes of 25 sheets

[tenderobject]

2 boxes 8 x 10______________________103.08 € Manila or Iran.

[Jim Fitzgerald]

8x20? I could use some! Some time back we did a group buy from Efke on this size and had it shipped to Freestyle. I picked mine up and they shipped the rest out. We only had to buy 10 boxes back then.

[Regular Rod]

Well with six requirements we've already got over 1,200 € of commitment, so if we are averaging 200 € then we need 150 of us. Are there that many on here who make photographs and would like 25 ASA Panchromatic film?

RR

[Eric Biggerstaff]

If you have not already done so, post this to APUG as you might get many more takers.

[David Aimone]

So I guess that's 138.00 + 102.50 = 240.50



I could easily commit to the following, <maybe> even more:

10 boxes of 4 x 5_______________________13.80 €_____16.42 €

5 boxes of 5 x 7_______________________20.50 €_____24.40 €

[tenderobject]

You can checl LF FB groups as well. There are a bunch out there/

[LF_rookie_to_be]

(...) or they can run a last 25 ASA batch in Efke's factory.

Not unless they fix the big gaping hole in the roof above the main coating room. Factory owner most likely won't.

[Salkalobo]

I am very interested- I'd also recommend contacting Michael Smith's Azo forum.

[Bob Salomon]

No way will you find fresh ASA film anywhere. It has been changed to ISO for a while now (years).

[Regular Rod]

No way will you find fresh ASA film anywhere. It has been changed to ISO for a while now (years).

25 ASA is the same as 25 ISO. Some of us still say ASA as old habits die hard and our meters still have ASA and DIN on the scales. I don't think anyone on this thread or any film maker would have any trouble understanding what we want if they read this thread as it has mainly been about getting fresh supplies of NP15.


RR

[gevalia]

I'm down to my last 2 boxes of Efke PL25 and honestly I am very bummed. I don't know how far this thread is going - if any film will actually be ordered or if it will be. But if it is, I would be interested in 4x5.

20 Boxes of 25 sheets 4x5 of NP 15 @ 13.80 € per box = 276.00 €

__________________________________Total Order = 276.00 € which is currently about $ 364.00 US

I am in the US. I'll commit to this. Stock up the fridge and sell what doesn't fit.

[Regular Rod]

I'm down to my last 2 boxes of Efke PL25 and honestly I am very bummed. I don't know how far this thread is going - if any film will actually be ordered or if it will be. But if it is, I would be interested in 4x5.

20 Boxes of 25 sheets 4x5 of NP 15 @ 13.80 € per box = 276.00 €

__________________________________Total Order = 276.00 € which is currently about $ 364.00 US

I am in the US. I'll commit to this. Stock up the fridge and sell what doesn't fit.

I don't think this thread will actually achieve much. I thought there would be more LF users who want high quality slow film. The Company must be a bit shy of publicity because all they need is a web page for us all to come on and place pro forma making orders. They need do nothing until the volume of orders is right for them and when it is we all get an email so we can make a Pay Pal payment or similar and they then make the stuff and fulfil the orders. It would be a similar process to Ilford's making orders but direct instead of through distributors.


RR

[rcmartins]

I'm a bit late on this thread, but I would commit to buy 300 sheets of 25 ISO film in 4x5. It should amount to less than 450 €
raul

[BILL3075]

Greetings,

I'd commit to 4 boxes each of 8x10, 12x20 & 14x17. If the manufacturer can/would cut 16x20 also, I'd add 4 additional boxes of this latter size as well.

Hope it happens !

Bill

Rather than adding another layer of complication to things such as a Kickstarter campaign (for which this is probably not eligible) could we not instead simply go straight to the company?

There is a real need for a panchromatic, high-quality, 25 ASA film. This company can supply it but they are somehow divorced from their potential clients, who are spread over the surface of the globe. Our difficulty arises in that not one of us requires 30,000 Eurosworth of film for our own use.

However, even in this one puny thread, we have identified several of us who would be happy to buy SOME of the film in sizes to suit our individual needs. How about we each state on here how many sheets, in whatever sizes, that we would be prepared to buy of this film (called NP15)? If the thread looks as though we have enough requirement to equate to the 30,000 € then one of us, preferably fluent in German, could re-approach the company and find out how we go about consolidating our needs into one big fat making order.

The prices are as below:

Packungen a' 25 Blatt (This means 25 sheets in a pack)

Format / inch - NP 15 (25 ASA) - ohne MwSt. - mit MwSt.

2 ½ x 3 ½____________________7.97 €______ 9.48 €

3 ¼ x 4 ¼ __________________12.57 €_____14.96 €

3 ½ x 5 ½___________________14.32 €_____17.04 €

4 x 5_______________________13.80 €_____16.42 €

4 ¾ x 6 ½___________________23.63 €_____28.12 €

5 x 7_______________________20.50 €_____24.40 €

8 x 10______________________51.45 €_____61.23 €

10 x 12____________________109.20 €____129.95 €

10 x 15____________________135,14 €____160,82 €

8,5 x 15___________________114.45 €____136.20 €

11 x 14___________________140.15 €____166.78 €

12 x 15___________________163.82 €____194.95 €

14 x 17___________________216.61 €____257.77 €

12 x 20___________________218.44 €____259.94 €

20 x 24___________________436.84 €____519.84 €

I think the lower price is without VAT and would apply to non-EU buyers. The rest of us get the higher prices in the right hand column.


Maybe a story-free post from each of us that simply states the sizes and quantities wanted with the prices and then total price at the end? That will make it easy to keep track of the "demand". If and when the total looks attainable then we can contact the company and introduce them to a whole new group of clients from around the world...


RR

[rcmartins]

I'm a bit late on this thread, but I would commit to buy 300 sheets of 25 ISO film in 4x5. It should amount to less than 450 €
raul
I had already stated that I would commit to buy 300 sheets, or 12 boxes of 25 sheets in 4x5, but I go further to 15 boxes.
raul

[TheToadMen]

I'm interested in:
5 boxes: 5 x 7 = 5 x 20.50 € = 102.50 €
1 box: 8 x 10 = 1 x 51.45 € = 51.45 €

--> TOTAL = 153,95 €

I would also be interested in 4 boxes of 18x24 cm format.

I live in Holland (next to Germany) and speak German, so I'm willing to help getting this together.

[Regular Rod]

I'm interested in:
5 boxes: 5 x 7 = 5 x 20.50 € = 102.50 €
1 box: 8 x 10 = 1 x 51.45 € = 51.45 €

--> TOTAL = 153,95 €

I would also be interested in 4 boxes of 18x24 cm format.

I live in Holland (next to Germany) and speak German, so I'm willing to help getting this together.

That would be great! I have had my last two emails to the Company ignored...

RR

[Filmnut]

I will only add, that personally, if it were available, I would buy a 25 ASA speed B&W in 4X5, and 120.
Thanks for all the info, folks.
Keith

[Filmnut]

I will only add, that personally, if it were available, I would buy a 25 ASA speed B&W in 4X5, and 120.
Thanks for all the info, folks.
Keith

[David Aimone]

I assume nothing is new with this topic? A shame..... :(

[Regular Rod]

I assume nothing is new with this topic? A shame..... :(

Agreed! At least we now have available very, very nice roll film in 25 ASA. "Rollei RPX 25" It is an excellent quality film. It also lays as flat as sheet film on the negative carrier, making it very easy to handle.

RR

[Dave Wooten]

Rod,
Are the formats listed available in 100 ?

[Leigh]

- ohne MwSt. - mit MwSt.
What is MwSt? (I know what mit and ohne mean).

I would expect to do
100 sheets of 4x5,
50 sheets of 5x7, and
50 sheets of 8x10.

- Leigh

[analoguey]

RR,

Open a Google excel sheet, share with users, let them add details of what they want, forward the same to manufacturer or distributor - or ToadMen.
That should make reaching 30k euros or even half that much more simpler -and orders evenly listed.

Cheers,

[Regular Rod]

Rod,
Are the formats listed available in 100 ?

If you mean the new Rollei RPX 25, No it's a 25 ISO film. 35mm and 120 roll film only at this time...

RR

[Jeff Dexheimer]

Looks like this lost traction, but if it gets going again, I'd be in for 8 boxes of 4x5.

[hendrik faure]

What is MwSt? (I know what mit and ohne mean).


- Leigh

MwSt= Mehrwertsteuer (German Tax, 19%)

h.

[hendrik faure]

5 boxes of 4x5 = 82€
5 boxes of 8x10= 305€
h.

[stormpetrel]

Is this great idea still alive?

10x boxes of 5 x 7 = 205.00 €

[Regular Rod]

I'm a bit late on this thread, but I would commit to buy 300 sheets of 25 ISO film in 4x5. It should amount to less than 450 €
raul

I make that a lot less! 165.60€

RR

[Teodor Oprean]

Count me in for these same quantities:


I could easily commit to the following, <maybe> even more:

10 boxes of 4 x 5_______________________13.80 €_____16.42 €

5 boxes of 5 x 7_______________________20.50 €_____24.40 €

[Regular Rod]

Well I've just totted up the "pledges" and we are still a long way short of 30,000 €

The total at this instance is 5,015.51 € based on the listed prices without any value added taxes. We need six times these pledges to reach the threshold...

Could a German speaking member perhaps be kind enough to contact the Company, give them a link to this thread and maybe ask if they would like to promote, via their website, an advance order facility whereby we each order what we want in the clear understanding that these orders would only be fulfilled if the Company has sufficient advance orders to commercially justify the fulfilment?

RR

[ROL]

Agreed! At least we now have available very, very nice roll film in 25 ASA. "Rollei RPX 25" It is an excellent quality film. It also lays as flat as sheet film on the negative carrier, making it very easy to handle.

RR

Since you brought up the non LF film, 120 "Rollei RPX 25", and as a slow 120 aficionado, I must inquire if this is a different film from the equally preposterously priced Rollei Pan 25 of a few years ago. That Maco produced film was capable of very beautiful panchro tonalities, but was in no way of excellent quality. I was reduced to shooting 2 frames for each scene to have any chance of a reasonably clean negative, effectively doubling the price of shooting an already ridiculously priced film.

[Jim Galli]

I'm curious. Since the old Efke 25 was blind to red, has anyone evaluated if perhaps it was simply cleverly repackaged Xray film?

[Regular Rod]

Since you brought up the non LF film, 120 "Rollei RPX 25", and as a slow 120 aficionado, I must inquire if this is a different film from the equally preposterously priced Rollei Pan 25 of a few years ago. That Maco produced film was capable of very beautiful panchro tonalities, but was in no way of excellent quality. I was reduced to shooting 2 frames for each scene to have any chance of a reasonably clean negative, effectively doubling the price of shooting an already ridiculously priced film.

Well the Rollei RPX 25 film is certainly a high quality film based on what was sent to me when I bought some from MACO. viz. http://www.apug.org/forums/viewpost.php?p=1590735

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3753/11718560553_574cd0d454_o.jpg

I'd be delighted to suddenly find it available on sheet film substrate in 4x5, whole plate and 8x10. The 120 substrate is among the flattest I've ever used, in the negative carrier it's as easy as sheet film negatives to work with.

RR

[Mark Woods]

X ray film has a different gamma and reacts differently to the developer I use.

[ROL]

Well the Rollei RPX 25 film is certainly a high quality film based on what was sent to me when I bought some from MACO. viz. http://www.apug.org/forums/viewpost.php?p=1590735

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3753/11718560553_574cd0d454_o.jpg

Thanks for the response. OK, so I'm only assuming that this pix post was to make a point regarding my query. I also read your APUG link, as well as the APUG thread on Rollei RPX 25. What I'm about to say is not a direct criticism of either your art or your technique.

Firstly, this pic tells me nothing about the film's technical quality. For that, I would need to to see a few rolls of mid gray mono tonal region rendered without the emulsion defects I experienced in Pan 25 (and Maco 25). I couldn't readily tell the difference between a twig, an insect eaten leaf hole, or an emulsion defect in such a confused mosaic – even assuming it wasn't cleaned up in PS. Secondly, there is "no light" in this picture, by which I mean there is (apparently) only indirect, dull appearing flat light. I would be surprised if there were more than 5 zones present in the scene, at least as interpreted by you as an image. This pic could be from any lousy old film So, it also tells me nothing about the range of tones the film is capable of recording.

[Regular Rod]

Thanks for the response. OK, so I'm only assuming that this pix post was to make a point regarding my query. I also read your APUG link, as well as the APUG thread on Rollei RPX 25. What I'm about to say is not a direct criticism of either your art or your technique.

Firstly, this pic tells me nothing about the film's technical quality. For that, I would need to to see a few rolls of mid gray mono tonal region rendered without the emulsion defects I experienced in Pan 25 (and Maco 25). I couldn't readily tell the difference between a twig, an insect eaten leaf hole, or an emulsion defect in such a confused mosaic – even assuming it wasn't cleaned up in PS. Secondly, there is "no light" in this picture, by which I mean there is (apparently) only indirect, dull appearing flat light. I would be surprised if there were more than 5 zones present in the scene, at least as interpreted by you as an image. This pic could be from any lousy old film So, it also tells me nothing about the range of tones the film is capable of recording.

Ah well I'm sorry it didn't help you. I don't do such testing. It is a simple matter for me to just buy some rolls and go out and make some photographs with them and then see if the film gave me what I wanted. If it does what (or near what I was planning but just needing some adjustments on my part) and if it is reasonable to process and behaves like film instead of an errant clock spring then I buy some more and keep using it. That's how I find out if a film is right for me. You are right about the light, there was very little, this being in a deep, heavily wooded dale, with the Derbyshire Wye at the bottom and various features like this spring on the sides of the limestone dale.

Here's another made on the same roll but at the head of the dale and by then the sun was coming over the hills...

http://u1.ipernity.com/41/11/05/30431105.69ea6ee7.jpg

Is that of any more use to you?

RR

Post Script

This was against the light too and has a more full range of zones, made in a HolgAgon.

http://u1.ipernity.com/41/32/07/31073207.361d5eef.jpg

[Shootar401]

The 3 sheets I've shot of Arista Ortho Litho have been essentially grain free. Even if it's an ortho film I like the look and might be my go-to fine grain film.

[hendrik faure]

Well I've just totted up the "pledges" and we are still a long way short of 30,000 €

The total at this instance is 5,015.51 € based on the listed prices without any value added taxes. We need six times these pledges to reach the threshold...

Could a German speaking member perhaps be kind enough to contact the Company, give them a link to this thread and maybe ask if they would like to promote, via their website, an advance order facility whereby we each order what we want in the clear understanding that these orders would only be fulfilled if the Company has sufficient advance orders to commercially justify the fulfilment?

RR
I will try and ask by phone again.
A problem might be that they are not so interested in new media, see http://www.wephota.de/down/wephota/wepr.pdf
and the german large format forum is nearly dead (might be anachronistic to have national forum)
Hendrik

[Ed Bray]

I love Adox CHS 25 and cannot seem to do much wrong with it, plus it has a great reciprocity characteristics, I mourn its passing although I have managed to squirrel away a few hundred sheets of 5x7.

Last weekend I shot 4 sheets of Adox 25, 3 sheets of HP5+ and 1 sheet of Foma 400, the Adox films are fantastic, the HP5+ less so and the Foma 400 are rubbish.

They were all processed in Pyrocat HDC at 2:2:100, the HP5+ and the Foma 400 were exposed at ISO 250, the Adox at 25.

[Andrew O'Neill]

I'm curious. Since the old Efke 25 was blind to red, has anyone evaluated if perhaps it was simply cleverly repackaged Xray film?

Jim,

Efke 25 was sensitive to red but not as much as most pan films. I doubt that it was repackaged xray film.

[Regular Rod]

I will try and ask by phone again.
A problem might be that they are not so interested in new media, see http://www.wephota.de/down/wephota/wepr.pdf
and the german large format forum is nearly dead (might be anachronistic to have national forum)
Hendrik

Thank you Hendrik!

RR