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bracan
15-Aug-2013, 03:45
Hello everybody,

Today I become proud owner of Goerz Berlin Hypar 480mm F4,5. Does anybody here have it or shot with this monster?
I was think to adapt the lens on Sinar P8x10 but fint out that will be impossible because of size. Diameter of rear ring is more than 16cm.
Any hint or info will be welcome.
Thanks
Braca

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jb7
15-Aug-2013, 05:49
I was think to adapt the lens on Sinar P8x10 but fint out that will be impossible because of size. Diameter of rear ring is more than 16cm.


I'd like a go on that...

For lenses this size, you have to think about mounting the camera to the lens, not the other way around...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joseph-jb7/sets/72157625401037924/

Steven Tribe
15-Aug-2013, 06:24
There were bigger Hypars - right up to 60cm!
As you will know, this is Goerz's competitor to (copy of!) the Heliar.
You will have to puchase an old studio camera and stand. Which, of course, will lead you even more expensive and heavy lenses!

bracan
15-Aug-2013, 08:18
Thanks jb and Steve!
Anybody knows which year of production?
Anybody shot with this beast?

Louis Pacilla
15-Aug-2013, 10:17
My Guess is the look will compare to the Wollensak "Varium" or B&L "Sigmar" both of which I own but I have never tried a Hypar Portrait.


Here's a bit of company spin from their 1915 Catalog.

bracan
15-Aug-2013, 10:21
Thank you very much Louis!
261 $ in 1915!!!!!
Phuh....Some expensive lens for that time.

Steven Tribe
15-Aug-2013, 13:00
Around 1918.
Not many Goerz lenses were sold in the USA at that period (after 1917)!

Remember exchange rates were very different in 1915 - 1 could get you $4.70.

Dan Fromm
15-Aug-2013, 15:33
As you will know, this is Goerz's competitor to (copy of!) the Heliar.

Interesting. I'd thought they were triplets.

Mark Sawyer
15-Aug-2013, 16:55
Interesting. I'd thought they were triplets.

It was. The Heliar was "almost" a triplet, three very similar groups, but the front and rear were doublets. There's been some speculation that the Heliar had doublets just to get around the TTH patent on the Coopke triplet.

Keith Fleming
15-Aug-2013, 21:19
For an idea of the cost of the lens in 1915, the CPI Inflation Calculator shows $261 in 1915 as being equivalent to $6,036.49 in 2013 dollars.

Keith

Domingo A. Siliceo
16-Aug-2013, 01:12
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Today I become proud owner of Goerz Berlin Hypar 480mm F4,5.
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beautiful lens! Congratulations.

bracan
16-Aug-2013, 16:22
beautiful lens! Congratulations.

Thanks Domingo!

Steve M Hostetter
16-Aug-2013, 16:44
If the rear element will fit inside the sinar standard you can make a step-down board.. God I like that lens:)

bracan
17-Aug-2013, 06:53
If the rear element will fit inside the sinar standard you can make a step-down board.. God I like that lens:)

Hmmmm, will measure and try tommorow to fit on Sinar lensboard!
Small chance...

bracan
21-Aug-2013, 07:07
Any thoughts CCHarrison?

goamules
21-Aug-2013, 09:42
Keith, that's what I was just thinking - the price of these was VERY expensive. It was like buying a car, which were about the same cost.

Mark Sawyer
21-Aug-2013, 11:13
Any thoughts CCHarrison?

There's a bit about it on Dan's website, which I suspect everyone has seen. You'll have to scroll down through the Cooke and Wollensak lenses (if you can!)

http://www.antiquecameras.net/softfocuslenses2.html

Even if the lens fits on the Sinar, it may be a bit heavy and front-loaded for its front standard. Be careful with it!

Dan Fromm
21-Aug-2013, 11:51
Even if the lens fits on the Sinar, it may be a bit heavy and front-loaded for its front standard. Be careful with it!

Good thought. I two heavy lens supports that work for me, am not sure which makes better sense in the Sinar system. A standard with mutilated function carrier will work as a crutch. A lab jack can be mounted on the rail (not sure how in the Sinar system, in the Cambo system, which has square rails, it just sits on the rail). For details and lab jack ordering information (as they go, mine is very inexpensive), see http://www.galerie-photo.com/baby-bertha-6x9-en.html

pierre506
21-Aug-2013, 16:52
Good thought. I two heavy lens supports that work for me, am not sure which makes better sense in the Sinar system. A standard with mutilated function carrier will work as a crutch. A lab jack can be mounted on the rail (not sure how in the Sinar system, in the Cambo system, which has square rails, it just sits on the rail). For details and lab jack ordering information (as they go, mine is very inexpensive), see http://www.galerie-photo.comu/baby-bertha-6x9-en.html

It's a surely stunning project, Dan.

The stadium guards would immediately kill us including the two assistants to carry the tripod and all the accessories for me if I wanted to use this cannon to shoot baseball game there.:D

Armin Seeholzer
22-Aug-2013, 12:20
Bracan you could buy a 5x7 Sinar Front Frame and also a special 8x10 to 5x7 bellows and Sinar made a lensboard of thad size so you could use larger lenses. You find it very seldom and it was very expensive as everything in the past from Sinar!

Cheers Armin

bracan
22-Aug-2013, 14:16
Excelent idea Armin, thanks.
But, its hard to find 5x7 front frame.
Will work more on that.

Armin Seeholzer
22-Aug-2013, 15:15
Till now I shaw it only 2-3 times on german ebay for the last 10 years but I'm not so much looking anymore!

Cheers Armin

bracan
27-Aug-2013, 11:12
Its easier to build ULF than find frame:)