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Dave Gesell
22-May-2013, 17:30
When I ordered my Chamonix 045F-1, I added the fresnel lens to the package. The GG has clipped corners, but the fresnel has 90 corners, and when I check the corners for vignetting, I often don't see much but diffraction (more with the 90mm than with longer lenses). Any tips for cutting the corners off the fresnel? I have clamps, straightedges (including cork backed ones for drafting work), and self healing cuttings matts. For cutting tools I have a fine toothed razor saw and utility knives with lots of new sharp blades, but I have no problem buying something more suitable.

Thanks.

Jim Jones
22-May-2013, 17:56
People with more experience with Plexiglas suggest scoring and snapping it. It seems intuitive to use the sharp edge of a utility knife blade for scoring. However, the sharp edge tries to wedge material to the side, and might make a deep score only with difficulty. I'd use the back of the blade tip, and scrape the groove fairly deeply on both sides before snapping the corners off..

Jon Shiu
22-May-2013, 18:21
I think it might be difficult to snap off a small piece cleanly, so I would use the saw.

Jon

BarryS
22-May-2013, 18:37
I just cut a fresnel for my Primar Reflex and tried scoring/snapping vs. fine tooth sawing. The saw worked much better.

Cletus
22-May-2013, 20:11
I made a "fresnel" a while back - a big 9x12 one too, for a Sinar 8x10 - out of a book magnifier. It was a pretty thick and pretty brittle piece of plexiglass, or more properly, polycarbonate.

I scored the edges deeply (and carefully) with a sharp utility knife and was able to snap pieces off a little at a time using a duck-bill type plier. Even the edges, where I was only removing about a quarter inch or less broke without cracking the rest of the fresnel. The rough edges were then sanded with a emory cloth until smooth and clean.

If all you're doing is the corners, I'd think you'd have no problem scoring then snapping. Take ya five minutes.

Jerry Bodine
22-May-2013, 21:54
I recently cut some rectangular pieces of 1/8" polycarbonate diffusion material to replace those in my enlarger that had yellowed with age. I used a saber saw with a blade that had 40 teeth per inch. I also used a straight aluminum piece to guide the saw. The cuts were so fine they required no additional sanding, and the pieces were firmly clamped. Had I been concerned about a rough cut, I would've clamped the diffuser between two pieces of thin plywood.

Dave Gesell
23-May-2013, 08:35
Thanks all. I was leaning toward the razor saw, and in light of the responses I think I'll go ahead with that plan. If I also have to cut back the GG protector (a much thinner piece of plastic), I should be able to get through it with a fresh blade in a utility knife pretty easily.

Jerry Bodine
23-May-2013, 09:12
Dave, if your GG protector is made of polycarbonate (a nearly indestructible material), I expect you will find out what I learned trying to scribe it with a knife designed for scribing plastics in general: I was not able to scribe deep enough to break it off, which is why I chose the saber saw after testing on scrap pieces. The saw cut quickly like going through butter. I was fortunate to already have the saber saw available, as I've used it on many items before for making scrolling cuts (scrolling feature was locked for straight cuts, of course). Here (http://www.tapplastics.com/product_info/videos/how_to_cut_plastic_sheet) is a video on cutting plastic sheets you may find helpful. And here (http://www.tapplastics.com/product_info/videos/how_to_polish_and_repair_scratched_plastic) is a bonus on how to repair and polish scratched plastic. BTW I have no connection to these sites; I just use the business to cut plastic parts to my dimensional specifications while I wait, since they're local to me.

Drew Wiley
23-May-2013, 10:21
Most fresnels are made of butyl acetate, which is relatively brittle. It doesn't cut like polycarbonate. Score and snap might work but it's risky, and applying clamping
pressure on the fresnel to do it could damage the fine lines. You could sand it a bit. A very fine hobby saw, japanese saw, or fretsaw would work. I would personally use a true Fein fine-toothed fiberglass blade on my Multimaster (never one of those worthless Chinese knockoff blades, which are likely to shatter the plastic!).

Jerry Bodine
23-May-2013, 10:40
Dave, don't be confused. My post #8 was for the GG protector (as stated). For the fresnel, I'd pay close attention to Drew's comments, as fresnels are usually very expensive to replace. Also, I'm wondering why you'd want to cut the corners of the GG protector, since the protector would probably be removed anyway when checking for vignetting.

Dave Gesell
23-May-2013, 13:50
Again, thanks to all for the information.

When I disassembled the GG and fresnel a few weeks ago the fresnel seemed to be softer and more flexible than fresnels that I've handled before like Sinar. Not as flexible as the fresnels that are sometimes used in the rear window's of RV's though.

@Drew, my thinking was to draw my cut lines with a pencil using the GG as a template, and then using the corked back straightedge to guide the razor saw (24tpi 0.014" kerf). And take my time.

@Jerry, I got my terms confused (maybe). The camera came with a carbon fiber GG protector, and a clear plastic GG cover. I don't use the carbon fiber piece on the camera because once you stack up the GG, fresnel and the GG cover the whole assembly is slightly proud of the rear frame. I might end up ditching the cover.

However, I do use the carbon fiber GG protector as a clipboard for my exposure record cards. :D

Ginette
25-May-2013, 21:39
If you have a Belt/Disc Sander, I will give a gentle try on the Disc sander, at the left of the sander, where the rotation goes to the bottom, this will keep the piece down, close to the cast iron table. Mark the corners to remove and sand till the line dissapear.
I do a lot of round corners this way with acrylic. I put a fine grit, 180x on my Disc sander. If it melt, go it gently or give some time the the piece get cold.

Tracy Storer
29-May-2013, 11:27
"Score and snap" has worked very well for me many many times. If you only score one side, score the grooved side and snap away from it, otherwise the peaks of the ridges can compress and splinter off the good side of the cut.