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Thread: Now, this seriously has me beaten, suggestions as to what is happening here please?

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    Re: Now, this seriously has me beaten, suggestions as to what is happening here pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by Sevo View Post
    As others noted, it seems to be a motion issue, in that nothing similar is visible in the background. But we'd need to see other bits of the image at similar enlargement to make sure.
    Click on the flickr link and then select full size, it's there in the size scanned 1200dpi

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    Re: Now, this seriously has me beaten, suggestions as to what is happening here pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian C. Miller View Post
    I still think the shutter is at fault. The ground and ties are sharp, and the train exhibits a double-image problem. The lamp and the sign are the most obvious examples of that. The train did not bounce, as the photograph shows that the tracks are smooth and normal. This is a steam locomotive, and would turn something like a bolt on the tracks into foil. If the train jumped far enough in "1/250th" of a second to produce that kind of a blur, it would have left the tracks completely.

    Therefore, the shutter didn't actually fire at 1/250th of a second, and there's a problem with it. It just needs a CLA, and all's well.

    How can you see the tracks that the train is actually on? It's entirely possible that the engine has rocked.
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    Re: Now, this seriously has me beaten, suggestions as to what is happening here pleas

    It's clearly (or not) motion blur as others have suggested.



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    Re: Now, this seriously has me beaten, suggestions as to what is happening here pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian C. Miller View Post
    Therefore, the shutter didn't actually fire at 1/250th of a second, and there's a problem with it.
    If any, it might be a matter of shutter bounce. 1/250s is not fast enough to fully freeze a moving train at such a close angle - and a shutter speed error minor enough not to affect the exposure to a critical degree won't change that one way or another. The real question is why the motion shows up as a double image rather than a continuous wipe - both a rocking engine and shutter bounce could cause that (plus other odd causes like another photographer's flash triggering right at the end of the exposure).

    And after seeing the last enlargements with a triplicate edge, it seems very much like a rocking engine - that pattern is a bit too complex with too much transit between the stages to be shutter bounce.

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    Re: Now, this seriously has me beaten, suggestions as to what is happening here pleas

    A double image showing up in high contrast suggests to me a filter orientation/lens element problem.

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    Re: Now, this seriously has me beaten, suggestions as to what is happening here pleas

    Thanks all for your thoughts so far.

    I can tell you that there was no one else there, so no additional flash exposure although that would have been my first thought too if I did not know better.

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    Re: Now, this seriously has me beaten, suggestions as to what is happening here pleas

    The train rocks but the motion on the highlights goes by to fast to show a blur during the rocking motion. It shows, and is recorded on the film when the highlights stop rocking for a split second to reverse direction.

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    Re: Now, this seriously has me beaten, suggestions as to what is happening here pleas

    Perhaps you have a tiny pinhole in the bellows that's casting a secondary image slightly out of registration.

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    Re: Now, this seriously has me beaten, suggestions as to what is happening here pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Tribe View Post
    A double image showing up in high contrast suggests to me a filter orientation/lens element problem.
    No filters and other images taken with this lens on the same day show no similar problems:


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    Re: Now, this seriously has me beaten, suggestions as to what is happening here pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Tribe View Post
    A double image showing up in high contrast suggests to me a filter orientation/lens element problem.
    It would - but it does only show up in moving parts of the subject, not in the equally high contrast of the branches against the sky or the black/white signal in the rear.

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