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    Re: Master or journeyman

    Quote Originally Posted by Heroique View Post
    This got me thinking...

    “I consider this [Monolith, The Face of Half Dome, Yosemite National Park, 1927] to be my first visualization,” AA says in his book The Negative, “seeing in my mind the image I wanted before making the exposure.” (i.e., using a red filter to express his visualization, since a yellow one wouldn’t do.)

    A threshold to be sure...

    But does one’s 1st visualization = the threshold of “Mastery”?
    Knowledge has nothing to do with mastery. I read a crap-load of photographic information very early on and would have known without ever taking a single photo the basic difference between the effects of differing filters on various types of films... mostly panchromatic. Hell, Adams could have achieved a similar affect at Half Dome by simply switching to ortho film with no filter... or minimal filtering.

    Even back when I shot quite a bit I was never better than "pretty good". Well, better than anyone I'd personaly met but that wasn't saying much at the time. I would love to be called a "master" but that opportunity was lost a very long time ago. Now I just want to have a little fun and take some not-so-crappy photos.

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    Re: Master or journeyman

    Quote Originally Posted by Heroique View Post
    This got me thinking...

    But does one’s 1st visualization = the threshold of “Mastery”?
    No, but the quality of the image does, and the fact that it was the first of many.
    Wilhelm (Sarasota)

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    Re: Master or journeyman

    Quote Originally Posted by Old-N-Feeble View Post
    . Now I just want to have a little fun and take some not-so-crappy photos.
    Words of a wise man!

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    Re: Master or journeyman

    Quote Originally Posted by Old-N-Feeble View Post
    Knowledge has nothing to do with mastery. I read a crap-load of photographic information very early on and would have known without ever taking a single photo the basic difference between the effects of differing filters on various types of films... mostly panchromatic. Hell, Adams could have achieved a similar affect at Half Dome by simply switching to ortho film with no filter... or minimal filtering.

    Even back when I shot quite a bit I was never better than "pretty good". Well, better than anyone I'd personaly met but that wasn't saying much at the time. I would love to be called a "master" but that opportunity was lost a very long time ago. Now I just want to have a little fun and take some not-so-crappy photos.
    Actually, switching from pan film to ortho would have the opposite effect of using a red filter with pan film. Maybe knowledge does have something to do with mastery?

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    Re: Master or journeyman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay DeFehr View Post
    Actually, switching from pan film to ortho would have the opposite effect of using a red filter with pan film. Maybe knowledge does have something to do with mastery?
    I caught that, too. Just a brain-fart, probably. Those happen to us older guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay DeFehr View Post
    Actually, switching from pan film to ortho would have the opposite effect of using a red filter with pan film. Maybe knowledge does have something to do with mastery?
    Uhh... yeah, I did get that backwards. I confuse things sometimes.

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    Re: Master or journeyman

    Orthochromatic film: sensitive to green and blue.
    Panchromatic film: sensitive to red, green, and blue.

    Color of sky: blue.

    Shade of sky on print with no filter, either film: white.
    Desired shade of sky: black.

    It doesn't matter which film type would have been used as a filter was absolutely required to block the blue light. Look at the spectral sensitivity of Kodak HIE/HIR. Blue at one end, and red-IR at the other, and not sensitive to green at all.

    There is no film that is strictly red-sensitive.
    "It's the way to educate your eyes. Stare. Pry, listen, eavesdrop. Die knowing something. You are not here long." - Walker Evans

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    Re: Master or journeyman

    I've run into a few pasture bulls whose eyesight was apparently red-sensitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Wiley View Post
    I've run into a few pasture bulls whose eyesight was apparently red-sensitive.
    Did you protect yourself with a blue filter, or with orthochromatic film?

    Rick "a good reason to avoid those red bellows" Denney

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    Re: Master or journeyman

    I've climbed a few trees, what we call blue oaks out here due to the color of the leaves.
    Maybe that explains it.

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