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    Re: Trying to sort out Dagors

    Very cool indeed! Thanks, Louis!
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    Re: Trying to sort out Dagors

    OT: RE Louis link...

    For anyone interested; The way to avoid dark type or images showing through from the back side of your reflective scans just place a black paper behind your original. This minimizes light reflecting off the white scanner top and coming back through blank areas.

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    Re: Trying to sort out Dagors

    There's a need for a well researched article on Dagors as there's so many variations. CP Goerz (Berlin) licensed production to a few other companies in the early days as well before WWII so in the UK and former colonies you find Ross Dagor's.

    There's also Zeiss Dagors because CP Goerz (Belin) became a part of Zeiss Ikon, technically both Zeiss and Schneieder have the rights to make and market Dagors.

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    Re: Trying to sort out Dagors

    I'd like to know exactly what happened with the Goerz New York branch.I've a feeling that war reparations made it into an inependent company after WWI, but can find no references. Also, there is a gap in serial numbers from the 300,000 range to the low 700,000 range. Goerz Berlin became part of Zeiss Ikon in 1926, Zeiss made the Dagors up to the beginning of WWII. I've been told some of the last ones were factory coated, but again no references.

    Edit - The licensed production (Ross and others) of Dagors stopped when the original patents expired and everyone started making Dagor clones.
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    Re: Trying to sort out Dagors

    CP Goerz Am Opt became indepenent in 1905 so well before WWI and ironoically supplied the allies with Binoculars during the war while the original German company supplied the Axis powers, Germany, Austria, Turkey etc.

    I think the licensed production by Ross stopped because of WWI at the same time as the Zeiss licenses, the Zeiss Mill Hill Optical works was handed to Ross by the British Government, so another irony was the former German Binocular and lens plant was making equipment for the Allies.

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    Re: Trying to sort out Dagors

    Quote Originally Posted by IanG View Post
    CP Goerz Am Opt became indepenent in 1905 so well before WWI and ironoically supplied the allies with Binoculars during the war while the original German company supplied the Axis powers, Germany, Austria, Turkey etc.

    I think the licensed production by Ross stopped because of WWI at the same time as the Zeiss licenses, the Zeiss Mill Hill Optical works was handed to Ross by the British Government, so another irony was the former German Binocular and lens plant was making equipment for the Allies.

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    Are you certain it became independent in 1905?? I've never seen a pair of New York made Goerz binoculars, either. I have seen them marked Goerz New York, but made in Germany, and Goerz Berlin and New York, also made in Germany.
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    Re: Trying to sort out Dagors

    E., seek and ye shall find

    http://www.largeformatphotography.in...c-experts.html

    http://www.bolexcollector.com/lenses/40goerz.html

    http://www.galerie-photo.org/n2-f1-93011.html My source for 1905 may have been http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goerz_%28company%29

    http://www.lostlabours.co.uk/photogr...eras/dagor.htm

    Any minute now Lynn Jones will enter the discussion that Goerz American Optical Company, of various locations in downstate NY, was somehow associated with American Optical Company, of Springfield, Ma. T'ain't so, and never was.

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    Re: Trying to sort out Dagors

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    E., seek and ye shall find

    http://www.largeformatphotography.in...c-experts.html

    http://www.bolexcollector.com/lenses/40goerz.html

    http://www.galerie-photo.org/n2-f1-93011.html My source for 1905 may have been http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goerz_%28company%29

    http://www.lostlabours.co.uk/photogr...eras/dagor.htm

    Any minute now Lynn Jones will enter the discussion that Goerz American Optical Company, of various locations in downstate NY, was somehow associated with American Optical Company, of Springfield, Ma. T'ain't so, and never was.
    Dan,

    The first link claims Goerz N.Y. became independent after WWI.
    The Bolex link says nothing about independence in 1905, just that it wasn't absorbed by Zeiss.
    The third link, I can't read. No French knowledge.
    If Wikipedia said the sky was blue, I'd glance out the window to confirm.

    The last link is the first I have seen that states the firm became independent in 1905. This appears to refute that claim,
    http://www.cameraeccentric.com/html/info/goerz_2.html
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    Re: Trying to sort out Dagors

    E., there's a bit of confusion. To add to it, the Custodian of Alien Property took over Goerz American no later than the US' entry into WW-I, put the firm up for bids in 1919. B&L was the high (only?) bidder and their bid was rejected as too low. It isn't clear what happened after that.

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    Re: Trying to sort out Dagors

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    E., there's a bit of confusion. To add to it, the Custodian of Alien Property took over Goerz American no later than the US' entry into WW-I, put the firm up for bids in 1919. B&L was the high (only?) bidder and their bid was rejected as too low. It isn't clear what happened after that.
    If the Custodian of Alien Property took it over, then it wasn't independent, was it? This is what I was referring to in post 14.
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