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    Re: Modest wide for 8X10...?

    I found that my sub-$200 Symmar-S 210mm covers 8x10 with a bit of movement stopped down.

    Leigh, I went to KEH and looked for a Nikkor 150mm SW but I saw none, only a Nikkor "W" 150 f/5.6. Was that the lens you are talking about, and does it actually have a 400mm IC?? Or are you talking about the Nikkor 150mm f/8? I assume the latter. The f/8 from what I've seen is a lot more expensive than the other.
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    Re: Modest wide for 8X10...?

    Another vote for the Fujinon W 210mm -- the older single coated Fuji with the 352mm image circle. Fuji lenses are already ridiculously contrasty, so you might not miss the multi-coating, especially on B&W. I also have the 250mm version with the 398mm image circle. Between these two, my moderate wide needs are fully covered on 8x10. The 210mm will get used unless there is a need for lots of rise.

    I used to have a Schneider Super Symmar 150mm XL. That was a great lens, but it needed at $400 center filter. It was also a little too wide for my tastes, though looking back at some shots I did with it, it was stunning. Maybe I should have just kept it.

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    Re: Modest wide for 8X10...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Pedersen View Post
    A coated 210 Dagor. Far better than the Fuji. Yes, i did at one time have the Fuji but it failed to impress at close to infinity.
    The 210 G-Claron is also good if you don't need any movements, covers about the same as the Dagor.
    The Fujinon-W 210mm with the 352mm image circle failed to impress you at infinity? You must have had a bad sample. That lens is SHARP.

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    Re: Modest wide for 8X10...?

    The 180-210 area is a nightmare, if you want good coverage, bright ground glass and good value. There really seems to be nothing aside from the 210 SSXL that gives loads of coverage and truly modern performance, with MC etc. A 210 angulon will be hit and miss as there is lots of sample variation in old angulons. Many say it has huge coverage, but others say huge illumination, but that sharpness falls off rapidly outside of 10x8 straight on. The Fuji 210 W with inside lettering gives (on paper) the same coverage as the 210 Sironar W and so is FAR better value and easier to find, but it is likely not quite as contrasty or sharp and in all likelihood has a slightly smaller circle (I don't know this, but suspect) in actual use (despite specs giving the same).

    In order to see whether 210 is a useful departure from 240mm, I'd suggest the Fuji 210 W and the 210 G claron. Specs suggest the Fuji has more coverage, but in practice I bet they are about the same. I would estimate my 210 G claron to have a circle of about 350mm at f32. The consensus seems to be that Fuji specs are right at the limit of what is useful and that some other manufacturers are somewhat more conservative.

    If you want to try 180-190 (ish) another option is a 165 Angulon and crop the neg slightly i.e. anticipate 7x9" shooting area. This will allow the lens to cover comfortably. If contact printing and not using much movement, you might find the 165 also covers straight on. Its coverage is rated for 18x24cm straight at F22, so at F32-F45 you might be OK.

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    Re: Modest wide for 8X10...?

    My 210mm F9 Computar rocks, pin sharp huge coverage, hard to find and expensive but worth looking out for, you may get lucky.

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    Re: Modest wide for 8X10...?

    If you have a Sinar with Sinar shutter, then you can use a Konica GRII 210mm in front of it. Almost endless coverage if you stop down!

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    Re: Modest wide for 8X10...?

    Schneider Angulon 210/6.8
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    Re: Modest wide for 8X10...?

    Thanks for the input folks. Lots to consider. I should have mentioned that my 8X10 will not handle a lens much shorter than 180mm. The darn bellows will not compress much more. Probably 165mm at the very shortest.

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    Hi Randy,

    I'm not seeing any mention of the discontinued Rodenstock 210/5.6 ApoSironar (W). I like mine
    on 8x10. It is big and heavy with great optics. Similar also is the Schneider 210 SS HM.
    Both have coverage of about 352mm if I recall.

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    Re: Modest wide for 8X10...?

    "Modest" would be 240 to 250mm to me. The 180 Fujinon is closer to "Super-wide" to me. The 180mm does cover very well at infinity and I'd highly recommend it. Especially if you enlarger has a tilt lensboard. Then correcting verticals can be done when printing.

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