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    Re: How do you work with transparencies in the darkroom?

    Flashing is not a realistic substitute for masking, which can control contrast much more precisely. But flashing can be used for minor contrast tweaks. I don't recommend doing either until the basics of sheet film duping are learned first. To some extent, contrast can be modified by choice of film. Porta 160 is going to be softer than 400. Don't mess with Ektar for this kind of thing. Digital printing is a different path altogether and an obvious option for those who prefer it to darkroom work.

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    Re: How do you work with transparencies in the darkroom?

    There is a fellow in New Mexico, web site is Gamma Tech http://www.gammatech.com/ and he will make a negative of a digital file and may even be able to scan your original and make the negative. He uses some high res film recorders and can make the negatives in 35mm, 120 and 4x5. He has done some 35mm negatives for me and they worked quite well. Good guy to work with, very reasonable and prompt turnaround.

    I eliminated this problem years ago and just shoot color negatives and make C prints in my darkroom.

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    Re: How do you work with transparencies in the darkroom?

    I drum scan them and output them on my LVT Rhino to 8x10 C41 or B&W film.
    It takes a lot longer then the traditional interneg but it gives me the chance to make some corrections.
    Especially if there is dust that i photographed or scratches from processing or the film holder.
    I can also build in color and density corrections that i could never do with my enlarger.
    Ive done this for a handful of my chromes that i wanted traditional c prints from and i was very happy with the results.

    One plus for B&W, if i want to print a C41 neg onto B&W paper, i just image to B&W neg and it prints the same as a camera neg. No need for panalure!!
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    Re: How do you work with transparencies in the darkroom?

    How about B&W Color Separation Negatives?

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    Re: How do you work with transparencies in the darkroom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Petronio View Post
    scan them

    That's why people went to color neg. Chromes are pretty worthless other than being pretty to look at.
    But Frank, isn't that exactly why chromes are NOT worthless in this (digital) day and age? To me, negs are worthless, but I don't work in the darkroom...

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    Re: How do you work with transparencies in the darkroom?

    I work with both chromes and negs. They're different, but both equally in danger if one
    understands that the one thing more at risk of going extinct than anything else is
    high-quality scanning equipment and dedicated software. Making black and white sep
    negatives is a fairly fussy business, and essentially meaningless unless you match them to the final color output medium. Then you've got the problem that probably the
    best separation film right now is TMX100 sheet film, which is itself potentially endangered. FP4 will work, but it's more of a headache to balance. You can make sep
    negs either traditionally using an enlarger or with a high-end pin-registered film recorder. Either way you face a steep learning curve which gets thrown out of whack
    if a single film option of specific developer becomes unavailable. That's why I have
    plotted curves for several different options. It's also a lot of work. But it's the starting
    point if you want to learn certain alternative color printing processes which are not
    dependent on mass-manufactured color paper. You can even make color separations
    directly in-camera with pan film if the subject is immobile.

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    Re: How do you work with transparencies in the darkroom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Jonathan View Post
    isn't that exactly why chromes are NOT worthless in this (digital) day and age?
    Agreed.

    Chromes are for projecting, not printing.

    Of course, this being LFF, you would need a 4x5 auditorium projector...

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    Re: How do you work with transparencies in the darkroom?

    I've been printing chromes for over thirty years and they print wonderfully if you know
    what you are doing. But it's unfortunate that they were always made to look just right
    on a light box like slides rather than having ideal printing characteristics. 4X5 projectors
    did exist. But it's the end of an era for me. Down to my last box of Cibachrome. After
    that it will just be a few select chromes that get printed on dye transfer - but that
    alone justifies the existence of chromes! For volume work, it's color neg from here on
    out. I had to wait a long time for suitable neg film to come around; and it took Kodak
    almost a whole year to realize that had a great sheet film worth instantly discontinuing!

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    Re: How do you work with transparencies in the darkroom?

    As has been said, scanning and inkjet printing is the best solution. Interneg film did a good job with regard to color, but any time you reproduce from film to film and then print, you lose huge amounts of sharpness. With scanning there is no appreciable loss unless you do something bad.

    If you really want to make some internegs, use tungsten color neg film, over expose one stop and pull process one stop. With some testing you can find out if you need any filtration.

    BW and Col negatives have a GBar of .55 to .60 while chromes have a GBar of 1.35, huge contrast differential. Digital has an approximate GBar of 1.00 +/-. Over the years I have used nearly all of the digital scanners and my favorites are Epson flat bed, they handle color negs, internegs, old Kodachromes and everything else.

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    Re: How do you work with transparencies in the darkroom?

    There are no more interneg films. Kodak and Fuji for some time now hav both been recommending their daylight-balanced low-contrast neg emulsions instead.

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